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Is Music Hereditary

The New Diabolicals
09-04-2006, 10:43
Yesterday, I was looking through the loft and I found some of my Mum's and Dad's old vinyl records. To my surprise my Dad seemed to like bands that I like now - Boston, The Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Ramones, Pink Floyd - which was a shock because I had never heard him playing any songs by them before. Also, my Mum had records by The Cure and David Bowie, which I also like the music of. So I came to wonder if the music that you preferred was something to do with the genes...
But, on the other hand, my Dad did have a record by Elton John...
Darkwebz
09-04-2006, 10:51
I highly doubt it, unless my mum has a stack of dance / trance / techno stashed away somewhere.
The Half-Hidden
09-04-2006, 10:59
Yesterday, I was looking through the loft and I found some of my Mum's and Dad's old vinyl records. To my surprise my Dad seemed to like bands that I like now - Boston, The Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Ramones, Pink Floyd - which was a shock because I had never heard him playing any songs by them before. Also, my Mum had records by The Cure and David Bowie, which I also like the music of. So I came to wonder if the music that you preferred was something to do with the genes...
But, on the other hand, my Dad did have a record by Elton John...
No, it's unlikely. Your parents had rather typical popular 1970s music tastes. This is not obscure stuff so there isn't much of a coincidence.
Kievan-Prussia
09-04-2006, 11:14
If it was, I'd be very surprised. My parents would never listen to Rammstein.
The Beautiful Darkness
09-04-2006, 11:31
IMHO, musical taste derives from what you were exposed to a child (although, naturally, your taste is subject to 'evolution')
Eg. I like Pink Floyd and Men at Work, both artists my mother used to play (and I soon began to play myself) when I was a child, but then, I also like totally random bands, that noone in my family likes, due to outside influences.:)
The New Diabolicals
09-04-2006, 11:36
IMHO, musical taste derives from what you were exposed to a child (although, naturally, your taste is subject to 'evolution')
Eg. I like Pink Floyd and Men at Work, both artists my mother used to play (and I soon began to play myself) when I was a child, but then, I also like totally random bands, that noone in my family likes, due to outside influences.:)

Well, that's what I thought but my parents never played any of the bands I like and neither did anyone else I knew.
Thriceaddict
09-04-2006, 11:40
In my case it sure is not. My parents only listen to classical music. I don't like that at all. I listen to screamo, punk and hardcore mostly.
The Beautiful Darkness
09-04-2006, 12:24
Well, that's what I thought but my parents never played any of the bands I like and neither did anyone else I knew.

Randomness, I can't explain that :D
I V Stalin
09-04-2006, 18:30
Yesterday, I was looking through the loft and I found some of my Mum's and Dad's old vinyl records. To my surprise my Dad seemed to like bands that I like now - Boston, The Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Ramones, Pink Floyd - which was a shock because I had never heard him playing any songs by them before. Also, my Mum had records by The Cure and David Bowie, which I also like the music of. So I came to wonder if the music that you preferred was something to do with the genes...
But, on the other hand, my Dad did have a record by Elton John...
Possibly...I find that my dad likes a lot of the stuff I listen to, and his record collection does have several that I like. On the other hand, I like virtually nothing that my mum listens to.

As to whether it's what you're exposed to as a kid, that would have made me grow up loving the Beatles, Phil Collins and Elton John. Both of whom I can't stand.
[NS]Simonist
09-04-2006, 18:38
I think it's more the case that, as stated above, your parents listened to the mainstream bands of the day and now those are the bands that everybody now knows from that time. No real coincidence, when you think about it.

However, when it comes to what your parents played when you were a child, I'd say that's usually an influence. I can't back it up with my experience, though, because my parents listened to a varied mix, and I listen to a varied mix, but for all I know I would've listened to a varied mix either way. Our family's musical likes transcend genre classifications.
Kanabia
09-04-2006, 18:38
Nah. My dad likes a lot of 60s and 70s stuff that I do (Hendrix, Zeppelin, the Doors, Sabbath...much of the more popular stuff), but hates punk.

As for my mum, her music taste is...bleh.
Curious Inquiry
09-04-2006, 18:41
Is music hereditary? Yes, if your parents leave you their record collection when they pass on. Does it involve your genes? Nope, but it does involve your jeans ;)
Kanabia
09-04-2006, 18:52
Does it involve your genes? Nope, but it does involve your jeans ;)

o.O
Potarius
09-04-2006, 18:54
Nah, musical taste is hardly hereditary. My dad was a disco/pop freak, and I'm a Punk/Prog nut.

It's funny, though. He makes fun of my taste in music. Yeah, that's great, coming from an ABBA fan.
Ilie
09-04-2006, 18:54
Well, musical talent is partly hereditary, I think, as is appreciation for music. Once you get down to the kinds of music one appreciates, I'd say that has to do more with culture than heredity...although one never really knows. They're discovering new things all the time.
Free Farmers
09-04-2006, 18:59
Not for me at the very least, no, music preference is not genetically passed down. Thank [insert your invisible protector of choice] for that. I'd be listening to the Rolling Stones, AC/DC, Journey, and a varity of other 70s/80s rock bands. *Shivers* I much prefer my music (The Beatles, Billy Joel, and the occassional DMX :D )
I V Stalin
09-04-2006, 19:01
Nah. My dad likes a lot of 60s and 70s stuff that I do (Hendrix, Zeppelin, the Doors, Sabbath...much of the more popular stuff), but hates punk.

As for my mum, her music taste is...bleh.
Does your dad like Nirvana? That's the key question.

I hope my music taste does pass onto my kids (if I have any), or at least, they don't get suckered into listening to chart music and refusing to listen to anything else. I'd prefer my kids to listen to underground/non-chart music I don't like, than only listen to chart music. Hopefully, it'll be easy for them to find other music, if I do open a record shop.
Free Farmers
09-04-2006, 19:05
Does your dad like Nirvana? That's the key question.

He said 60s and 70s, not early 90s :p
And BTW, in my experience (as my best friend has every Nirvana song ever made, and in both live and recorded versions, sometimes with more than one live version...) Nirvana sucks. Sorry to burst your bubble ;)
Potarius
09-04-2006, 19:09
He said 60s and 70s, not early 90s :p
And BTW, in my experience (as my best friend has every Nirvana song ever made, and in both live and recorded versions, sometimes with more than one live version...) Nirvana sucks. Sorry to burst your bubble ;)

They certainly don't "suck", seeing that it takes actual skill to play the majority of their songs.

Granted, the screechy, heavy sound isn't for everyone. But don't say they suck just because it's not your taste.
I V Stalin
09-04-2006, 19:10
He said 60s and 70s, not early 90s :p
And BTW, in my experience (as my best friend has every Nirvana song ever made, and in both live and recorded versions, sometimes with more than one live version...) Nirvana sucks. Sorry to burst your bubble ;)
Not my bubble. Kanabia's. Nirvana are ok, but I'd choose a lot of bands to listen to ahead of them.
Free Farmers
09-04-2006, 19:19
They certainly don't "suck", seeing that it takes actual skill to play the majority of their songs.

Granted, the screechy, heavy sound isn't for everyone. But don't say they suck just because it's not your taste.

True, it does I'm sure. By "suck" I only meant I didn't like them, I wasn't implying that they were talent-less.
And may it be noted that saying something "sucks" often just means you don't like it, not withstanding the actual skill level or performance of the thing in question. For instance I might say "Racing games suck." I'm not saying all racing games are poorly made, I'm saying that in my opinion racing games are not "good" (in this case referring to "not fun").
Kanabia
09-04-2006, 19:25
Does your dad like Nirvana? That's the key question.

Actually, that's one of the few he can tolerate. And Soundgarden. He hates pretty much everything else, though. *shrugs*

He said 60s and 70s, not early 90s
And BTW, in my experience (as my best friend has every Nirvana song ever made, and in both live and recorded versions, sometimes with more than one live version...) Nirvana sucks. Sorry to burst your bubble


Not my bubble. Kanabia's. Nirvana are ok, but I'd choose a lot of bands to listen to ahead of them.

Meh, I don't care. I don't base my musical tastes on those of other people. :p
Shotagon
09-04-2006, 19:26
I think some of it is your parent's tastes. My mom used to play rock radio stations a lot when I was 3-10 years old, and she still has it on sometimes. I love rock. She happens to like most of the bands I do, and many of my favorite songs.

I also love classical, and am starting to like rock with country influences, like the Old 97's. Of course, that's mostly because someone introduced me to that type of music, but still..
Aust
09-04-2006, 19:31
I listen to what my parents listen too-Punk, New Wave (Though i don't like the beatles, like tehy do). But I also listen to heavy metal which they hate.
Intangelon
09-04-2006, 19:41
They certainly don't "suck", seeing that it takes actual skill to play the majority of their songs.

Granted, the screechy, heavy sound isn't for everyone. But don't say they suck just because it's not your taste.
I'm going with Free Farmers on this one. I'm from Seattle. Nirvana was everywhere, and if you really believe it takes talent to play what they played, then that's a delusion nobody can cure. Nirvana had no more or less talent than any other act on the radio at that time. And please, for the love of all that's holy, don't start talking about Cobain like he was some kind of anti-saint. Blowing your head off isn't a sign of tormented genius, it's a sign of weakness.

Nirvana was a an average group who cooked up a sound, along with many other bands of the era, that backlashed the void of the late 80s-early 90s (not a terribly difficult thing to do). They provided an antidote to the pop nightmare by being a loud, abrasive and anticonformist kind of -- wait for it -- popular music. For that, I say good for them, but I'd never agree that they had any more or less skill than your average studio musician. Sorry.
Potarius
09-04-2006, 19:44
-snip-

Oh piss off. You totally blew that out of context, and you know it.
Intangelon
09-04-2006, 19:56
As far as musical tastes being hereditary, but the strict definition of that word -- that is, passed on via genetics -- that's impossible, especially when you're talking about a particular genre. Predisposition to kinds of sounds in a more general sense seems possible, but more of a background influence than something that will steer you toward, say, Steely Dan rather than Steven Sondheim.

This is a calssic nature/nurture question which leans far more toward nurture. Think about it -- you've got virtually no control over what you hear in your home or car for the first few years of your life. Some parents go out of their way to get recordings of kid-targeted music (and most, but not all of it is tripe served up as kid fodder just because it's simple and cutesy or enthusiastic...or delivered by a colorful puppet of some sort). Other parents just play what they like. Either way, SOME influence is bound to rub off on the subconscious tastes of infants.

I think it also depends upon the mnemonic aptitude of the child as well. Children possesed of active and voracious memories will have a lot more of the music in their heads when they grow up. God knows I've got Waylon Jennings and some of the other stuff my dad likes -- and the soundtrack to Jesus Christ, Superstar and Hair in my head from my mother's collection from when she blared it while cleaning the house. I never need to buy much of their favorites because I heard and recall most of it. Thankfully their eclecticism introduced me to what I consider good stuff as well: Dave Brubeck, War, The Average White Band, Billy Joel, Harry Chapin, The Eagles, Steely Dan, Stevie Wonder, Earth Wind and Fire, lots of Motown, the Beatles, Ragtime, Stride piano, big band jazz, bebop, and so on. These various and disparate influences combined in my head with things my older brother and sister played: Queen, Elton John, Boston, Kansas, Talking Heads, The Tubes, Thomas Dolby, Styx, and of course, the ubiquity of Top 40 from the late 70s and early 80s. IN NO WAY am I defending all of that music, but hearing it helped build a framework for my tastes which, as a music professor, need to be wide-ranging and eclectic.

Wow. Didn't mean to start a dissertation. Sorry.
Intangelon
09-04-2006, 19:57
Oh piss off. You totally blew that out of context, and you know it.
Took what out of context? I presented an opinion on Nirvana based upon your assertion that it took some great amount of skill to sound like they did. Just because the opinion isn't yours is no reason to get all testy. Oh wait. I keep forgetting, anymore it IS a reason.:rolleyes:
Potarius
09-04-2006, 20:42
Took what out of context? I presented an opinion on Nirvana based upon your assertion that it took some great amount of skill to sound like they did. Just because the opinion isn't yours is no reason to get all testy. Oh wait. I keep forgetting, anymore it IS a reason.:rolleyes:

I said it took skill. Not a great amount of it.
Intangelon
09-04-2006, 21:26
I said it took skill. Not a great amount of it.
Right.

Walking takes skill, if you're going to be that way about it.
Kinda Sensible people
09-04-2006, 21:42
I said it took skill. Not a great amount of it.

Its not an uncommon feeling amongst Seattlites that we've been mislabeled with the whole grunge label. It's been almost 20 years and we still can't seem to escape the image that anything coming out of Seattle must be grunge or other excessively drunk (it was drink and weed, arguably still the drugs of the Seattle youth culture, that spawned Grunge's musical formation. Later Black Flag and TSOL had a pretty important influence as well.) form of music. It actually poisons most of the "underground" musical scene of the area pretty strongly too. Needless to say, a lot of us resent it.

Trust me, if your local metal and "independant" stations held bi-weekly discussions on how Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain and odds were that you would wake up to either Rape me or All Apologies every morning, you'd hate Nirvana too.

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As to musical inheritance, I would say that some of the traits that we like in music do come from what we heard as children. I have an almost unexplained love of Celtic, Northeastern, and Western folk music that probably stems back to my father playing it constantly. My love of Punk has yet to be explained away though (found it on my own with no real help from friends either). I did spend much of my young life around the Boston music scene though, so the prevalent Street Punk/Ska/Celt Punk music of Boston may have found it's way to my ears.
The New Diabolicals
09-04-2006, 21:50
Simonist']I think it's more the case that, as stated above, your parents listened to the mainstream bands of the day and now those are the bands that everybody now knows from that time. No real coincidence, when you think about it.

Well, don't you think it's odd that they listened to Boston and they weren't all that popular back then.
Anarchic Christians
09-04-2006, 22:28
A lot of my tastes have been passed on from my parents. I retain a distaste for waily and screamy music from them though I tend to listen to more immature music than them.

And I like Coldplay who my dad HATES...
Intangelon
09-04-2006, 22:29
Its not an uncommon feeling amongst Seattlites that we've been mislabeled with the whole grunge label. It's been almost 20 years and we still can't seem to escape the image that anything coming out of Seattle must be grunge or other excessively drunk (it was drink and weed, arguably still the drugs of the Seattle youth culture, that spawned Grunge's musical formation. Later Black Flag and TSOL had a pretty important influence as well.) form of music. It actually poisons most of the "underground" musical scene of the area pretty strongly too. Needless to say, a lot of us resent it.

Trust me, if your local metal and "independant" stations held bi-weekly discussions on how Courtney Love killed Kurt Cobain and odds were that you would wake up to either Rape me or All Apologies every morning, you'd hate Nirvana too.

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*snip*


Brilliant! Thank you.
Letila
09-04-2006, 22:48
I highly doubt it. Everyone in my family loves pop and country music whereas I repudiate it and prefer classical. Additionally, I doubt it as many genres are highly bound to a specific subculture and/or end up rather ephemeral and would hardly be coded in genes in any manner.
Potarius
09-04-2006, 22:49
I highly doubt it. Everyone in my family loves pop and country music whereas I repudiate it and prefer classical. Additionally, I doubt it as many genres are highly bound to a specific subculture and/or end up rather ephemeral and would hardly be coded in genes in any manner.

Ah jeez. How can you live with that!?
Letila
09-04-2006, 22:57
Ah jeez. How can you live with that!?

Well, I tend to spend a lot of time in my room with my door shut and my music on at full blast.
[NS]Simonist
09-04-2006, 23:04
Well, don't you think it's odd that they listened to Boston and they weren't all that popular back then.
Depends on who you ask, really. My dad and his crowd were really all about Boston, but this is the same guy who found it to be a great event to pass onto me the coveted Brewer & Shipley album (which is, by the way, one of my favourites). It seemed to me that, rather than being generally unliked and not popular, Boston was then what, say, Desaparecidos kind of is now. Liked by people who seek out that kind of music, but otherwise not really considered by anybody else.
Valori
09-04-2006, 23:07
I don't think so. However, I do think that how much you like or dislike the music your parents play around you when you're a child affects your future musical tastes.
I V Stalin
09-04-2006, 23:09
I don't think so. However, I do think that how much you like or dislike the music your parents play around you when you're a child affects your future musical tastes.
A profound statement indeed: 'How much you like the music your parents play around you, affects how much you like music when you grow up'. Is that so? Who'd've thunk it?
Kinda Sensible people
09-04-2006, 23:48
Well, I tend to spend a lot of time in my room with my door shut and my music on at full blast.

OK, maybe I can understand your dislike of any music produced after 1950 (It isn't all that crap though).

Have I ever mentioned that I find the link in your signature obnoxious and musically snobbish? I've been dealing with snobs like that my whole life and they still make me feel as though I should just quit classical music to spite them. :(
Letila
10-04-2006, 00:01
Have I ever mentioned that I find the link in your signature obnoxious and musically snobbish? I've been dealing with snobs like that my whole life and they still make me feel as though I should just quit classical music to spite them.

Sometimes you've got to be blunt to get your point across. Who would stay awake to read a lengthy musicological report detailing the number of key changes, etc. in classical vs popular music. Don't let a few snobs ruin your enjoyment of classical music, though.
Ravea
10-04-2006, 00:40
My parents like the Rolling Stones.

I like Miles Davis.

In conclusion, no, music is no hereditary.
Potarius
10-04-2006, 00:46
Sometimes you've got to be blunt to get your point across. Who would stay awake to read a lengthy musicological report detailing the number of key changes, etc. in classical vs popular music. Don't let a few snobs ruin your enjoyment of classical music, though.

While the guys in that link of yours may be snobs, they have a point. Pop music is shit in that respect.

However, There is simple music that's also quite good, though it hardly gets any radio play in comparison to Pop.
Adjacent to Belarus
10-04-2006, 00:49
That certainly isn't the case for me. Throughout my life, neither of my parents has played music they like on the stereo/radio on anywhere close to a regular basis. When I was really young, they basically just played children's music for me, playing their own music extremely rarely in my presence. So by the time my sister and I got to be a little too old for the likes of Raffi, the *only* music either of us listened to was Weird Al - and that was from suggestion by one of my friends. In middle school, I started to become dissatisfied with this, and for a brief time sampled (and bought on a very few occasions) albums by popular/mainstream bands of which I had heard in school - but the majority of what I heard bored me. Then in 9th grade, I met a guy who introduced me to punk, traditional heavy metal, and progressive/power metal through several dozen mp3's which he gave me over the year. I still like the first two to a limited extent, but it was the third that really did it for me, and since then I have discovered much truly inspired, and at times beautiful, music of the genre. Were it not for this guy and this guy alone, my musical tastes would likely have been doomed to the commercial monotony of mainstream rock bands until I met someone similarly life-altering.

Basically, a long-winded way of saying that my parents' lack of music-listening caused me to absorb my music tastes from my peers instead.
UpwardThrust
10-04-2006, 00:49
Yesterday, I was looking through the loft and I found some of my Mum's and Dad's old vinyl records. To my surprise my Dad seemed to like bands that I like now - Boston, The Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Ramones, Pink Floyd - which was a shock because I had never heard him playing any songs by them before. Also, my Mum had records by The Cure and David Bowie, which I also like the music of. So I came to wonder if the music that you preferred was something to do with the genes...
But, on the other hand, my Dad did have a record by Elton John...
Naw just chance

Like has been mentioned this was fairly main stream

Though personaly I was suprized when I fell into lesser known stuff like JoJo Gunn and such which I found my dad owns in vinal as well

But I am betting he played it a few times I dont remember and it stuck

He hates my current music selection anyways (Slipknot Mudvayne Metalica Linkin park AFI Floyd ... and many many more) Its just the newer stuff he dislikes
Grave_n_idle
10-04-2006, 00:55
Naw just chance

Like has been mentioned this was fairly main stream

Though personaly I was suprized when I fell into lesser known stuff like JoJo Gunn and such which I found my dad owns in vinal as well

But I am betting he played it a few times I dont remember and it stuck

He hates my current music selection anyways (Slipknot Mudvayne Metalica Linkin park AFI Floyd ... and many many more) Its just the newer stuff he dislikes

My mom likes my Sisters of Mercy, Butthole Surfers, Nirvana and Ministry stuff... She rocks. :)
Potarius
10-04-2006, 00:55
My mom likes my Sisters of Mercy, Butthole Surfers, Nirvana and Ministry stuff... She rocks. :)

Can I borrow your mom?

...Wait, that didn't sound right...
Grave_n_idle
10-04-2006, 00:57
Can I borrow your mom?

...Wait, that didn't sound right...

Next time I call her, I'll tell her you asked... :)
Bodies Without Organs
10-04-2006, 01:18
My dad was a disco/pop freak, and I'm a Punk/Prog nut.

It is a sign of progress that we have come to a point where people can confess to simultaneously loving punk rock and prog rock: it is like playing football in no-man's land.

As to whether it's what you're exposed to as a kid, that would have made me grow up loving the Beatles, Phil Collins and Elton John. Both of whom I can't stand.

Both of the three of them?
Swilatia
10-04-2006, 01:21
No. its accquired taste
Potarius
10-04-2006, 01:50
It is a sign of progress that we have come to a point where people can confess to simultaneously loving punk rock and prog rock: it is like playing football in no-man's land.

Speaking of football, I happen to like all three variations. :p
Bodies Without Organs
10-04-2006, 01:59
Speaking of football, I happen to like all three variations. :p

Gaelic, Australian, American and 'British'? Off the top of my head I count four, and I'm sure there are a couple of others out there too...
Rangerville
10-04-2006, 02:04
I love ABBA because my mom used to listen to them all the time when i was a kid. As for my other musical tastes, they are much closer to the stuff my dad likes, but my parents got divorced when i was ten, so i didn't hear the music he listened to. I love Queen and The Beatles and Bob Dylan, lots of those singer-songwriters from the 60's and 70's, and 80's power ballads. My mom never liked the Beatles, and she never listened to Bob Dylan, she doesn't like his voice and wonders how people understand him...lol. She did use some of his lyrics in her English classes though (she's a teacher). She had never listened to Queen until me, but the first time we ever played them in the car, she said "this is quite pleasant"...lol. My mom likes country music and people like Nana Mouskouri.

My dad listens to more of the kind of music i like, when i asked him for Pink Floyd's "The Wall" years ago for Christmas he was amazed i didn't have it already. I remember seeing his 8-tracks lying around a lot, but i don't remember specifically what bands they were, i just know he is more into the kind of rock i am.
Kinda Sensible people
10-04-2006, 02:09
It is a sign of progress that we have come to a point where people can confess to simultaneously loving punk rock and prog rock: it is like playing football in no-man's land.

I can forsee a new genre of prog-punkers known for 20 minute power chord ballads in four different keys.

That or, yknow, I could talk about the odd brands of punk who can't stay in one time signature for more than three measures (yes, most mathcore is emo, but there is some mathcore that really is punk).
Bodies Without Organs
10-04-2006, 02:58
I can forsee a new genre of prog-punkers known for 20 minute power chord ballads in four different keys.


The frightening thing is that this has already been happening for nearly twenty years. The good stuff is good, the bad stuff is just dreadful - I mean 'progressive straightedge'? I ask you...
Megaloria
10-04-2006, 03:00
Without the influence of my father, I would not have discovered the magic of Electric Light Orchestra. Some days I wonder if I truly deserve such a priceless gift.
Kinda Sensible people
10-04-2006, 03:04
The frightening thing is that this has already been happening for nearly twenty years. The good stuff is good, the bad stuff is just dreadful - I mean 'progressive straightedge'? I ask you...

I'm suprised there are enough punkers with the attention span to listen to prog. Especially straight edgers, since most of us simply substitute even faster music for the lack of a high to make us crazy.

Good mathcore, however, is quite fun.

No, the fun part would be when punk bands started following in Rush's Randroidism. Bands with names like "Atlas Shrugged" and "Anthem" actually might fit in. :p
Potarius
10-04-2006, 04:24
I'm suprised there are enough punkers with the attention span to listen to prog. Especially straight edgers, since most of us simply substitute even faster music for the lack of a high to make us crazy.

Good mathcore, however, is quite fun.

No, the fun part would be when punk bands started following in Rush's Randroidism. Bands with names like "Atlas Shrugged" and "Anthem" actually might fit in. :p

I wouldn't go quite that far, seeing how Neil is the only Objectivist in the band. Of course, he writes most of the lyrics, but they're not always like "2112" (though the song itself does make a lot of sense).
Potarius
10-04-2006, 04:26
Gaelic, Australian, American and 'British'? Off the top of my head I count four, and I'm sure there are a couple of others out there too...

Yeah, I get you, but I was just thinking of the "big three" (American, Australian, and World Football/Soccer).

I went in alphabetical order so I wouldn't piss anyone off. :p
Kinda Sensible people
10-04-2006, 04:34
I wouldn't go quite that far, seeing how Neil is the only Objectivist in the band. Of course, he writes most of the lyrics, but they're not always like "2112" (though the song itself does make a lot of sense).

I was thinking more along the lines of Tom Sawyer (ironically, more acurately depicting Huck Finn) or The Trees, but 2112 is a concept album based on "Anthem".

Edit: And What is this I hear? Another far lefty hearing the common sense of Objectivism? I hope not... That's the last thing the world needs. :p
Potarius
10-04-2006, 04:44
I was thinking more along the lines of Tom Sawyer (ironically, more acurately depicting Huck Finn) or The Trees, but 2112 is a concept album based on "Anthem".

Edit: And What is this I hear? Another far lefty hearing the common sense of Objectivism? I hope not... That's the last thing the world needs. :p

The philosophy itself isn't ENTIRELY ridiculous. Even still, there are many parts of it that just don't fit.
Kanabia
10-04-2006, 04:53
Sometimes you've got to be blunt to get your point across. Who would stay awake to read a lengthy musicological report detailing the number of key changes, etc. in classical vs popular music. Don't let a few snobs ruin your enjoyment of classical music, though.

There's plenty of non-classical - and indeed, by definition, "popular" music that goes against the conventions displayed in that article, though...

Yeah, I get you, but I was just thinking of the "big three" (American, Australian, and World Football/Soccer).

I went in alphabetical order so I wouldn't piss anyone off. :p

Put simply, Gaelic Football = Australian football with a soccerball.

It's fun, and much less lame than stock Australian football. :D
Kinda Sensible people
10-04-2006, 04:58
The philosophy itself isn't ENTIRELY ridiculous. Even still, there are many parts of it that just don't fit.

Call me a skeptic, but in my experience, objectivists make Neitzche look sane and stable. Of course, depending on what you think of Neitzche, that could be seen as an easy criteria to fill, but still...

By any means, I can't make fun of Rush too much until I can make it through more than 5 bars of Tom Sawyer without tying my fingers in knots.
Smunkeeville
10-04-2006, 05:08
I only wish it were hereditary then my kids would listen to music I like, or actually I would probably listen to music my parent's liked (Adam Ant *pukes*) so nevermind.

I think it depends on what your personality is like, and also what you are exposed to. I try to expose my kids to a wider than normal range of musical styles so that I don't force them to listen to crap music like my parent's made me. ;)
Aust
10-04-2006, 09:15
Gaelic, Australian, American and 'British'? Off the top of my head I count four, and I'm sure there are a couple of others out there too...
Rugby football?
Bodies Without Organs
10-04-2006, 09:29
I only wish it were hereditary then my kids would listen to music I like, or actually I would probably listen to music my parent's liked (Adam Ant *pukes*) so nevermind.

Go dig out a copy of the first Adam And The Ants LP - 'Dirk Wears White Socks', and be prepared to be pleasently surprised - a very different sound from after the band's rhythm section went off to join Bow Wow Wow. One seriously good and interesting album there - a tad reminiscent of some early Killing Joke in places.
I V Stalin
10-04-2006, 11:59
Both of the three of them?
Yep. I added Phil Collins after I'd written the last sentence.

I only wish it were hereditary then my kids would listen to music I like, or actually I would probably listen to music my parent's liked (Adam Ant *pukes*) so nevermind.
Hey. I like Adam Ant. He and the Ants produced some of the best music to come out of the 80s. And some of the best videos.