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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensenbrenner_Bill

So who is this James Sensenbrenner?

This is the same Sensenbrenner who wants to give Congress the authority to ‘police the behavior’ of judges, a full-fledged assault on the separation-of-powers doctrine.

The same Sensenbrenner who negotiated the REAL ID Act in a series of secret backroom deals from which minority party members were barred. The same Sensenbrenner who led efforts to ram through that controversial act without a single hearing in either chamber of Congress.

The same Sensenbrenner who literally rewrote amendments, offered by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) and others, to make them appear to have been written to help sexual predators evade the law.

The same Sensenbrenner who was so desperate to obstruct the 9/11 Commission intel legislation that he actually rejected language that he himself had submitted.

The same Sensenbrenner who actually encourages the Patriot Act to be used in cases not related to terrorism.

At some point, one wonders: when does such disregard for limits, such extreme abuse of power, become something other than democracy?
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Comment: James Sensenbrenner Bill is as good as dead? Good riddance.
--OD2--

...and why is he as good as dead? I mean, it's good, but what happened?

...and why is he as good as dead? I mean, it's good, but what happened?People took it to the the streets.. thats what happened..

...when can't get his way legislatively, he tries to interfere with judicial decisions. Sensenbrenner must have been absent from his Constitutional Law class they day his professor explained the concept of separation of powers.

Sensenbrenner sent a letter to the U.S. Court of Appeals "demanding the court overturn a decision affirming a 97-month prison term for Lissett Rivera and impose a 120-month term." His antics provoked a complaint to the Office of Lawyer Regulation.

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/011692.html

...when can't get his way legislatively, he tries to interfere with judicial decisions. Sensenbrenner must have been absent from his Constitutional Law class they day his professor explained the concept of separation of powers.

Sensenbrenner sent a letter to the U.S. Court of Appeals "demanding the court overturn a decision affirming a 97-month prison term for Lissett Rivera and impose a 120-month term." His antics provoked a complaint to the Office of Lawyer Regulation.

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/011692.html

Wow....that's a little much, trying to control two parts of the government. O.o

People took it to the the streets.. thats what happened..something like this:

http://www.cagle.com/news/Immigration06/images/bagley11.jpg

Is this the new evil Republican, now that DeLay is out of the picture?

Last time I checked, he isn't dead and neither is the Immigration Reform bill. At least the bill isn't dead yet. Hopefully it won't be.

Is this the new evil Republican, now that DeLay is out of the picture?No he is not new.. and he was undefeated.. Until the Immigrants kicked his cheese ass. (he is from Wisconsin;) )

Is this the new evil Republican, now that DeLay is out of the picture?
Nothing new about Sensenbrenner--he's been an asshole for quite a long time--but OD2 is more than overstating his case here. Sensenbrenner hasn't been hurt by this in the least.

And by the way--why does there only have to be one new evil Republican, when we have so many to choose from? In the House we've still got corruption with Bob Ney, James Doolittle and everyone else tied in with Abramoff. In the Senate, there's "Insider Trading" Frist, and "I'll sell out my legislation for the nomination" McCain (and that's without getting into the real whackos on the christian right in the Senate). And then there's the whole administration full of liars and leakers. Why choose just one?

Nothing new about Sensenbrenner--he's been an asshole for quite a long time--but OD2 is more than overstating his case here. Sensenbrenner hasn't been hurt by this in the least.

And by the way--why does there only have to be one new evil Republican, when we have so many to choose from? In the House we've still got corruption with Bob Ney, James Doolittle and everyone else tied in with Abramoff. In the Senate, there's "Insider Trading" Frist, and "I'll sell out my legislation for the nomination" McCain (and that's without getting into the real whackos on the christian right in the Senate). And then there's the whole administration full of liars and leakers. Why choose just one?

Just like we can have Evil Democrats in Pelosi, Kennedy, Gore, Clinton (Hillary), Kerry, Reed, etc.

Face it, all politians are like this. :(

something like this:

http://www.cagle.com/news/Immigration06/images/bagley11.jpg

ROFLMAO!

Just like we can have Evil Democrats in Pelosi, Kennedy, Gore, Clinton (Hillary), Kerry, Reed, etc.

Face it, all politians are like this. :(
How many of them are under investigation for corruption? Hmmmm? I'm waiting....

I'll save you some time. None. And Republicans hold the power of investigation and subpoena, so why, if they're dirty, haven't they been busted? All the Republicans I mentioned are under open investigation for wrongdoing.

Now, if you'd mentioned William Jefferson of New Orleans, you might have had a point, but hey, I guess comparing apples to apples isn't important to a hack.

Nothing new about Sensenbrenner--he's been an asshole for quite a long time--but OD2 is more than overstating his case here. ..well.. when he talks on TV about this Bill.. I can almost see the stars in his eyes.. feels like he is talking about his baby.. about the Landmark of his life.. "The Sensenbrenner Bill" even got his name on it..

And by the way--why does there only have to be one new evil Republican, when we have so many to choose from?
The same reason there is ONE evil Democrat and ONE Guy Fawkes. When it is time to burn a strawman, it is helpful if everyone in the crowd brings the same effigy.

How many of them are under investigation for corruption? Hmmmm? I'm waiting....

I'll save you some time. None. And Republicans hold the power of investigation and subpoena, so why, if they're dirty, haven't they been busted? All the Republicans I mentioned are under open investigation for wrongdoing.

Now, if you'd mentioned William Jefferson of New Orleans, you might have had a point, but hey, I guess comparing apples to apples isn't important to a hack.

The Nazz do calm down. All politicians are alike. Last time I heard, Frist has been cleared of Insider Trading. Some dems are being investigated in connection with Abramof. I do not know who because I really do not care. All poilticians are corrupt. Show me ONE politician who isnt.

The Nazz do calm down. All politicians are alike. Last time I heard, Frist has been cleared of Insider Trading. Some dems are being investigated in connection with Abramof. I do not know who because I really do not care. All poilticians are corrupt. Show me ONE politician who isnt.
All politicians are corrupt, but some are more corrupt than others. Don't try to play the equivalency game when there is no equivalency between the two lists of people.

And if you can show where Frist has been cleared, I'd love to see it.

All politicians are corrupt, but some are more corrupt than others. Don't try to play the equivalency game when there is no equivalency between the two lists of people.

And if you can show where Frist has been cleared, I'd love to see it.

If he wasn't cleared then where are the charges?

And yes, I will do what I very well please. You are not my mother nor are you my father. You do not tell me what to do.

All politicians are corrupt. Period. This is a fact and to try and split hairs is really unbecoming. So why don't you just stuff it where the sun don't shine.

If he wasn't cleared then where are the charges?

And yes, I will do what I very well please. You are not my mother nor are you my father. You do not tell me what to do.

All politicians are corrupt. Period. This is a fact and to try and split hairs is really unbecoming. So why don't you just stuff it where the sun don't shine.
It's called an in-ves-ti-ga-tion. :rolleyes: Or don't you understand the meaning of that word?

All politicians are corrupt. Period. This is a fact and to try and split hairs is really unbecoming. So why don't you just stuff it where the sun don't shine.

"But he did it too" is not much of a defense.

It's called an in-ves-ti-ga-tion. :rolleyes: Or don't you understand the meaning of that word?


Comprehension aversion runs in her family.....

All politicians are corrupt, but some are more corrupt than others. Don't try to play the equivalency game when there is no equivalency between the two lists of people.

And if you can show where Frist has been cleared, I'd love to see it.Yup.. most politicians are corrupt.. and some are more corrupt than the others..

It's called an in-ves-ti-ga-tion. :rolleyes: Or don't you understand the meaning of that word?

Oh I understand the word and last I heard that nothing came from it. Of course I could be wrong. I just don't like following politics all that much. Unfortunately, I have no choice at the moment.

"But he did it too" is not much of a defense.

You are right. It isn't a defense. I think that we should crack down harder on corruption but noooooo they don't want to do that.

Oh I understand the word and last I heard that nothing came from it. Of course I could be wrong. I just don't like following politics all that much. Unfortunately, I have no choice at the moment.
The investigation is still ongoing--that's a lot different from "nothing came from it." Just so you know.

You are right. It isn't a defense. I think that we should crack down harder on corruption but noooooo they don't want to do that.

Bullshit.

When names of those that are corrupt are named, you tar the innocent. That isn't seeking a crackdown on corruption. That is making excuses for it.

The Nazz do calm down. All politicians are alike. Last time I heard, Frist has been cleared of Insider Trading. Some dems are being investigated in connection with Abramof. I do not know who because I really do not care. All poilticians are corrupt. Show me ONE politician who isnt.

If "all politicians are corrupt," then what does corruption mean?

You are just throwing out a smokescreen to excuse recent Republican embarassments.

If "all politicians are corrupt," then what does corruption mean?

You are just throwing out a smokescreen to excuse recent Republican embarassments.
Wasn't the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance act passed because pols couldn't be trusted to avoid corruption? Seems to me, the argument was that money corrupted members of both parties far too easily.

Wasn't the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance act passed because pols couldn't be trusted to avoid corruption? Seems to me, the argument was that money corrupted members of both parties far too easily.

Laws seeking to prevent corruption do not imply all politicians are corrupt any more than laws against murder make us all murderers.

The Nazz do calm down. All politicians are alike.

No some are indicted, convicted, or under investigation. Others aren't.

Laws seeking to prevent corruption do not imply all politicians are corrupt any more than laws against murder make us all murderers.
Of course not. But it was funny to hear McCain making the talk show rounds and claiming that we needed his law because politicians were too corrupt to turn down illegal contributions. Needless to say, he's never shown evidence of the rampant corruption that his law was supposed to prevent.

Bullshit.

When names of those that are corrupt are named, you tar the innocent. That isn't seeking a crackdown on corruption. That is making excuses for it.

I hate lawbreakers and I want to see them punished. Congress is obviously incapable of policing themselves. I do not tar the innocent. However, it has been my experience that all politicians are corrupt. Some more than others.

If "all politicians are corrupt," then what does corruption mean?

1.The act or process of corrupting.
2.The state of being corrupt.
3. Decay; rot.

You are just throwing out a smokescreen to excuse recent Republican embarassments.

:confused:

No some are indicted, convicted, or under investigation. Others aren't.

Or they havne't been caught yet.

I don’t think Formal Dances is trying to defend everybody. Rather. I believe he is trying to remove the partisanship from the prosecution of politicians. If your agenda is plane to all, your credibility is limited.

As for politicians who aren’t corrupt, there are many, on the local level, closer to the people they serve. In the upper echelons of power, only Congressman Ron Paul’s name comes to mind as one who isn’t corrupt. Often, he is the only one voting against bills unfair to the people.

My girlfriend has talked personally to many congressmen and reps, and had come to the conclusion that the system that we have in place is now in a black hole of corruption, in which even the most pure and noble person going in would come out tarred by bribery, lies, treachery, scandal, or would simply be talked about in a spin that put everything they did in a bad light.

In essence, if you're not bad, you're gone.

Is this the new evil Republican, now that DeLay is out of the picture?

It doesn't work that way, we don't look for evil republicans. We strain our eyes looking for a few good ones.

I don’t think Formal Dances is trying to defend everybody. Rather. I believe he is trying to remove the partisanship from the prosecution of politicians. If your agenda is plane to all, your credibility is limited.

Actually I'm a she :D

As for politicians who aren’t corrupt, there are many, on the local level, closer to the people they serve. In the upper echelons of power, only Congressman Ron Paul’s name comes to mind as one who isn’t corrupt. Often, he is the only one voting against bills unfair to the people.

yep.

It doesn't work that way, we don't look for evil republicans. We strain our eyes looking for a few good ones.
I don't know about that. With the way the Democrats dog-piled on DeLay, I think they were more than a little disappointed that he resigned. Then the McKinney thing masked all of that. I figure the Democrats need another poster-boy for misdeeds. It's a convenient way to cover up the fact that the Democratic party stands for very little, other than re-election.

I don't know about that. With the way the Democrats dog-piled on DeLay, I think they were more than a little disappointed that he resigned. Then the McKinney thing masked all of that. I figure the Democrats need another poster-boy for misdeeds. It's a convenient way to cover up the fact that the Democratic party stands for very little, other than re-election.
Like I said earlier (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10721581&postcount=10), we've got plenty of dirty Republicans in the pipeline to choose from. This is a culture of corruption, a perfect example of what happens when one group has all the power and no one to investigate them.

Like I said earlier (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10721581&postcount=10), we've got plenty of dirty Republicans in the pipeline to choose from. This is a culture of corruption, a perfect example of what happens when one group has all the power and no one to investigate them.
I hope by 'group', you mean Congress. I think the go-along to get-along culture is so strong that it doesn't matter who's been naughty and who's in the majority. It won't be investigated unless it's an especially egregious crime.