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First Session, Third Parliament

NationStates General Parliament

The Chinese Republics, MP

First Reading

BILL 01

The Elections Act - 2006

An act to improve the election process

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Preamble

WHEREAS the current election process does not ensure fairness and smoothness, and often caused disputes.

WHEREAS the current Puppet Vote Ban Act failed to prevent puppet voting, causing unpromising election results.

WITH THE ADVICE AND CONSENT of the NationStates General Parliament, enacts as follows:

Repeal

The Puppet Vote Ban Act - 2005, is repealed

The creation of the NationStates Elections Commission

- This is a non-partisan government organisation.
- Consist of the chief and six other members.
- The chief and members of the commission must be non-partisan.
- Responsible for voters registration, maintain voters list, maintian election results, operate election polls and voting booths, and election monitoring.

Changes to the election procedure rules

- Elections occur every 90-95 days and must be declared by the chief of the elections commission.
- Elections maybe declared earlier if the vote of no-confidence is passed by the parliament.
- Polls will be opened 14 days after declaration.
- Only registered voters on the voters list are allowed to vote.
- Polls must be made public in order to prevent puppet voting.
- Polls will remain open for 3 days.
- Results must be verified by the elections commission.

Political Parties

- There will be no proposed changes and will be left as is.

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MP Votes

Yea (7): Aust, Maineiacs, Neu Leonstein, The Chinese Republics, Valori, I V Stalin, Fleckenstein
Nay (2): Thomish Kingdom, Harlesburg, The Mowers

*Drexel Hillsville's vote is invalid because he is not a Member of Parliament.

This parliament thing is actually happening? *LE FRIGGING GASP!*

This parliament thing is actually happening? *LE FRIGGING GASP!*

*SHOCK AND AMAZEMENT*

lol

lol

btw, I know this is completely off topic and possibly counts as spam, but how's the ferry situation up there?

btw, I know this is completely off topic and possibly counts as spam, but how's the ferry situation up there?Well it is believed the 2 missing passengers are gone forever, there was a memorial service for them at the Mariner's park. Sad :(

The marine service in Kitimat are offering tug & barge service for passenger vehicles for the QCI run @ BC ferries price. :)

Also, the Queen of PR is returning soon, but let's hope that she don't sink. :rolleyes:

Btw, the loss of the Queen of the North is a huge blow to the tourism industry. :headbang:

Well it is believed the 2 missing passengers are gone forever, there was a memorial service for them at the Mariner's park. Sad :(

The marine service in Kitimat are offering tug & barge service for passenger vehicles for the QCI run @ BC ferries price. :)

Also, the Queen of PR is returning soon, but let's hope that she don't sink. :rolleyes:

Btw, the loss of the Queen of the North is a huge blow to the tourism industry. :headbang:

That is still horrible. Do you know if they've found the reason why the ferry sunk yet? I know they got footages of it underwater and stuff...but why? And isn't the Queen of PR nearing retirement age too? wtf is BC ferry going to do next?

*bump*

That is still horrible. Do you know if they've found the reason why the ferry sunk yet?A friend of mine who worked on that ferry (a cook) said the ship is on auto-pilot, unsupervised. Asshats.... :rolleyes:
And isn't the Queen of PR nearing retirement age too? wtf is BC ferry going to do next?Queen of PR is to be retired in 3 years despite reports that she is not fit to run on some waters. No word on replacement ferries.

But really, how did the ferry hit a "rock" and sink 1400m (not 400m) deep?!?!? :confused:

I haven't heard anything about this. Thanks a lot, American media.

A friend of mine who worked on that ferry (a cook) said the ship is on auto-pilot, unsupervised. Asshats.... :rolleyes:

wonderful. I feel so safe riding the ferries now. One more reason for me to avoid Vancouver...

Queen of PR is to be retired in 3 years despite reports that she is not fit to run on some waters. No word on replacement ferries.

This is not me being pessimistic, but you Northerners are going to be fucked in 3 years...once again.

But really, how did the ferry hit a "rock" and sink 1400m (not 400m) deep?!?!? :confused:

That's for BC Ferry to know and for us to be kept in the dark about. There was probably some kind of a malfunction with the ship, and BC Ferry, being a stupid money hungry corporation, let it sail anyway. Even more of a reason to avoid Vancouver and ferries now...

I haven't heard anything about this. Thanks a lot, American media.American and international medias (including CNN, ABC, NBC, BBC) did reported about this. It's not a very big story to them because it was initially reported that all 101 passengers and crews survived and no deaths, which is completely wrong. In fact, 99 passengers and crews including 2 smugglers survived, 2 passengers are missing. A crew member who smuggled two of his friends into the ferry got fired.

This is not me being pessimistic, but you Northerners are going to be fucked in 3 years...once again.Yeah, we're gonna get fucked big time. Joy...

Realistic parliamentary session. I have to congratulate you on that.

(My commiserations for those that suffered in the ferry sinking.)

What ferry sinking.

Oh, and yes, the NIBP is in favour of this legislation.

While the ESP is generally in favour of this, doesn't the act work against a person's right to a secret ballot?

I have a couple of modifications I'd like to suggest, but I need to speak with the UDCP first.

I think the bill needs more elaboration as to the actual methods of this Electoral Commission.

Also, you say non-partisan chiefs. How would this work? Would it mean I, someone who does not belong to any party, or others like me, might possibly be in charge of it?

While the ESP is generally in favour of this, doesn't the act work against a person's right to a secret ballot?
Indeed. Public voting could turn people away. Also, people could create puppets in advance and register with them. This bill just curves spur-of-the-moment puppet voting.

How can a bill be a repeal of a law, and at the same time institute a law?

I guess it's just one more thing that proves what sort of sham this "parliament" is.

Down with this mockery of democracy! Down with this illegitimate "assembly"!

Bah, voting is puny! Puny!

How can a bill be a repeal of a law, and at the same time institute a law?

I guess it's just one more thing that proves what sort of sham this "parliament" is.

Down with this mockery of democracy! Down with this illegitimate "assembly"!
Silence, how dare ye question our power!

problem is the only way to prevent puppet voting is not to have a public poll, as proposed, as it doesn't actually stop puppets voting without mod assistance. which they won't give.
as i have said before, the only way to get a truly fair election is to have a seperate off-NS webpage that logs IP addresses of voters. i *think* i can knock that up... i might do a example and see what y'all think.

problem is the only way to prevent puppet voting is not to have a public poll, as proposed, as it doesn't actually stop puppets voting without mod assistance. which they won't give.
as i have said before, the only way to get a truly fair election is to have a seperate off-NS webpage that logs IP addresses of voters. i *think* i can knock that up... i might do a example and see what y'all think.
But that raises the question: How impartial will you be?

problem is the only way to prevent puppet voting is not to have a public poll, as proposed, as it doesn't actually stop puppets voting without mod assistance. which they won't give.
as i have said before, the only way to get a truly fair election is to have a seperate off-NS webpage that logs IP addresses of voters. i *think* i can knock that up... i might do a example and see what y'all think.
Wouldn't necessarily work...I could wander over to uni and log on there as well as at home with a puppet. Then I could go round to my girlfriend's and vote there with another puppet. Or to the library in town. The possibilities are endless.

But that raises the question: How impartial will you be?
i'm hardly non-partisan, but if i can set this thing up it could send the results to another email address as well as mine... hell, a whole bunch of us could tally the votes for extra safety.

i've just spent some time freeing up a load of disk space so i'll get the program i need and give it a try in a mo

Wouldn't necessarily work...I could wander over to uni and log on there as well as at home with a puppet. Then I could go round to my girlfriend's and vote there with another puppet. Or to the library in town. The possibilities are endless.
true but it would at least make puppet voting a whole load harder than it is now... you'd have to really want to cheat to do so, rather than just being able to without any penalties or problems as is the case now.
that would be a problem with any system, whether we go the whole hog and require voters to register or not.

if it worked (i'm still not making any promises here) you could log which party gets the illegal votes, and issue penalties as an incentive to get party leaders to discourage puppet voting amongst their membership and the electorate as a whole.

true but it would at least make puppet voting a whole load harder than it is now... you'd have to really want to cheat to do so, rather than just being able to without any penalties or problems as is the case now.
that would be a problem with any system, whether we go the whole hog and require voters to register or not.
True.

if it worked (i'm still not making any promises here) you could log which party gets the illegal votes, and issue penalties as an incentive to get party leaders to discourage puppet voting amongst their membership and the electorate as a whole.
I'll set Colin on 'em.

can't find the bloody software i need though :headbang:

can't find the bloody software i need though :headbang:

d'oh!

ahahahaha!! it works!! :D

http://www.erebus.info/nselectiontest/nsgeneralvoteform_test1.htm tadaa! *is proud of self* :p


it works because i tried it twice: (emailed results)

Partyvote: United Democratic Communist Party
Personal_FullName: Pure Metal
Personal_DateOfBirth: xxxxxx
Personal_IDNumber: test id numbervotecastyn: Yes
Remote Name: 87.112.70.139

Partyvote: United Democratic Communist Party
Personal_FullName: another nation name (puppet)
Personal_DateOfBirth: xxxxxx
Personal_IDNumber: another id numbe
votecastyn: Yes
Remote Name: 87.112.70.139

both times, same IP addy. which means the votes can be scored up (apparently there's a txt file comma-seperated database sitting on the server somewhere, too, which would make it easier) and when the same IP address is used (ie a puppet) the vote can be safely discarded as fraudulent.

again, it can't stop puppet voting but it'll at least make it harder.
the results of each vote cast can be sent to multiple email addresses so all members of the Election Commission can get the results - does away with questions as to my integrity. they could also, in theory, get access to the txt database.


so here you go, i humbly submit this for parliament's consideration :)


(edit: the "ID number" field was just an idea if we wanted voter registration: we assign a randomly-generated code to nations who register as voters, and they have to supply that on the ballot to validate it. it would require checking against a list but i think it could be automated in excel or something)

(edit2: yes i realise its hardly a secret ballot, but it can be worked on)

ooh results...

Partyvote: Emphatically Silly Party
Personal_FullName: Mariehamn
Personal_DateOfBirth: June 5
Personal_IDNumber:
votecastyn: Yes
Remote Name: 213.204.62.82



Partyvote: NS Conservative Party
Personal_FullName: Greill
Personal_DateOfBirth: 08/14/86
Personal_IDNumber:
votecastyn: Yes
Remote Name: 68.203.187.237

This system proposed by PM could be circumvented by those with dynamic IPs. If a person was determined they could sign up to pay-as-you-go 52k internet access and reconnect to the internet to attain a new IP each time they voted.

Perhaps an addition of a nation needing to be 90 days old (existing since before the previous election), coupled with a post count of 50+ would help. With some nations excluded from voting at the election comissions discretion if they suspect and have reason enough to believe that there is vote fraud going on (a significant number of IP addresses from one ISP all voting the same way, perhaps within the same time frame as well).

This system proposed by PM could be circumvented by those with dynamic IPs. If a person was determined they could sign up to pay-as-you-go 52k internet access and reconnect to the internet to attain a new IP each time they voted.

Perhaps an addition of a nation needing to be 90 days old (existing since before the previous election), coupled with a post count of 50+ would help. With some nations excluded from voting at the election comissions discretion if they suspect and have reason enough to believe that there is vote fraud going on (a significant number of IP addresses from one ISP all voting the same way, perhaps within the same time frame as well).
i know that. it makes it harder to puppet-vote, not impossible. how many times do i have to say that? :rolleyes:
there are few systems that could prevent this problem in its entirety. making it more difficult would at least help as i'm sure most people don't care enough about it to go to the trouble of using an IP mask or whatever. those on dial-up are exogenous. currently there is nothing to stop them, so at least this is something, if not perfect.


but other than that (utterly irritating point), good suggestions :)

I think all of this is going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Sure we want to discourage puppet voting, but we don't want to make the voting process difficult enough to discourage casual NSers.

Maybe we could run PM's system as a test run, like for voter registration. If we get a suitable amount of NSers registered, then we can use those records to confirm the election totals. If the process does prove to be too much of a hassle, then we scrap it.

I agree that post count and join date should come into play.

It's great I was able to be a result, but I just realized I'll soon be chaning IPs in the next six months, due to my regular nomadic migration. Any help concerning problems such as that, and the annoying, but neccessary, papperwork that will have to be implimented, we'll have to elect some sort of NS General Election Mod, which would have to deal with such problems.

Indeed. Public voting could turn people away.
That's the problem we should try to address, we'll see what happens on the next election. If it doesn't work out, then we'll revert back to the secret ballot system and design a different system.

Also, people could create puppets in advance and register with them. This bill just curves spur-of-the-moment puppet voting.I wish you hadn't said that...

i know that. it makes it harder to puppet-vote, not impossible. how many times do i have to say that? :rolleyes:
there are few systems that could prevent this problem in its entirety. making it more difficult would at least help as i'm sure most people don't care enough about it to go to the trouble of using an IP mask or whatever. those on dial-up are exogenous. currently there is nothing to stop them, so at least this is something, if not perfect.Sorry about that, but you'll probably have to keep on reitterating that point every post for people, like myself, who barely ever look at the NS parliament threads. This is maybe the second or third time I've looked at one of these threads.

The idea of the parliament doesn't really interest me. It's tough enough trying to keep up with the national parliament, the student union council and the local council, let alone a fictionary parliament with no real powers. The idea of the elections comission interests me though. My student union wants to introduce a system which only allows e-voting. It's been trialed successfully at other SUs, but I'm still worried about some of the implications. I'd be interested to see how a voting system would work here (with the IP addresses) and bring that to the elections committee of my SU.but other than that (utterly irritating point), good suggestions :)Thank you.

I've never said your idea was bad (infact it's a good idea and I like it), just that if could be circumvented (just as my ideas could be circumvented). However, only a really determined person would be able to circumvent multiple measures, and probably wouldn't be able to tip the balance of the vote without being detected.

edit: another idea might be to pre-register voters with IP addresses. However this would exclude those with dynamic IPs. Maybe a separate system could be used to identify such voters.

I vote Nay. for the nations that are new and come during voteing. Who want to and have a right to vote.

I vote Nay. for the nations that are new and come during voteing. Who want to and have a right to vote.I disagree. Just as you have to be a certain age in real life in order to take part in elections, you should have to be a certain age on NS in order to take part in elections.

ahahahaha!! it works!! :D

http://www.erebus.info/nselectiontest/nsgeneralvoteform_test1.htm tadaa! *is proud of self* :p
YOU'RE A FRIGGIN GENIUS!!!!!:D :D :D

I disagree. Just as you have to be a certain age in real life in order to take part in elections, you should have to be a certain age on NS in order to take part in elections.

I disagree. You could be a new nation and have more wisdom in voteing then an old nation. In life its an age. You could be 18 with an new nation and 13with an old one.

Maybe we could run PM's system as a test run, like for voter registration. If we get a suitable amount of NSers registered, then we can use those records to confirm the election totals. If the process does prove to be too much of a hassle, then we scrap it.I can always amend the bill for the second reading vote if most MPs agree.

I disagree. You could be a new nation and have more wisdom in voteing then an old nation. In life its an age. You could be 18 with an new nation and 13with an old one.But as this is an NS voting system, your NS age is what's important. I don't think that the NS Parliament is concerned with how much wisdom a voter shows. (I don't think real life systems are concerned with how much wisdom a voter shows.)

But as this is an NS voting system, your NS age is what's important. I don't think that the NS Parliament is concerned with how much wisdom a voter shows. (I don't think real life systems are concerned with how much wisdom a voter shows.)

agree to dis-agree

Assuming NS players are between 12 to 60 years old, I don't really care much about minimum voting age or why do we need to impose it? If a 13 year old NS player is being very n00bish, he can always vote for the ESP.

No minimum age. I think if they came here and bothered to set up a nation, then they have at least some opinions about politics. That, I say, is enough. Let there be freedom of suffrage!

Also, congrats Full Metal on your voting website!

... though I'm sure that that dastardly Greill character is just a Conservative puppet.

Assuming NS players are between 12 to 60 years old, I don't really care much about minimum voting age or why do we need to impose it? If a 13 year old NS player is being very n00bish, he can always vote for the ESP.

Okay...maybe it's just me, but I think the age of the nation was being considered.

I think all of this is going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Sure we want to discourage puppet voting, but we don't want to make the voting process difficult enough to discourage casual NSers.

Maybe we could run PM's system as a test run, like for voter registration. If we get a suitable amount of NSers registered, then we can use those records to confirm the election totals. If the process does prove to be too much of a hassle, then we scrap it.

I agree that post count and join date should come into play.
i agree we don't want to make it too hard for people to vote. we don't want to discourage voting, just illegal voting. and i think voter registration is a step too far.
join date and post count would be great to include, but it could require registration... in which case i'd suggest trying a dummy run (good idea btw) without.



The idea of the parliament doesn't really interest me. It's tough enough trying to keep up with the national parliament, the student union council and the local council, let alone a fictionary parliament with no real powers. The idea of the elections comission interests me though. My student union wants to introduce a system which only allows e-voting. It's been trialed successfully at other SUs, but I'm still worried about some of the implications. I'd be interested to see how a voting system would work here (with the IP addresses) and bring that to the elections committee of my SU.Thank you.


well with an SU, which is geographically 'local' and already utilising a subscribing membership, you could tie in membership numbers to the voting process to disallow multiple-voting. of course that again negates the whole 'secret ballot' thing, and i guess you'd already thought of that, but meh *shrugs* :)

I've never said your idea was bad (infact it's a good idea and I like it), just that if could be circumvented (just as my ideas could be circumvented). However, only a really determined person would be able to circumvent multiple measures, and probably wouldn't be able to tip the balance of the vote without being detected.

quite

edit: another idea might be to pre-register voters with IP addresses. However this would exclude those with dynamic IPs. Maybe a separate system could be used to identify such voters.
good idea, but as i said before i really don't think we want to make it too complicated to vote. the advantage of having a post-vote authenticity check, as opposed to pre-vote, is simply that it's less hastle for the voter themselves... probably more work for the election organisers, but it depends on how widespread a problem puppet voting really is. and that, unfortunatley, we don't really know. its a balance and we're gonna have to reach a happy-medium somewhere...

i'd like to see what ariddia has to say about all this.

YOU'RE A FRIGGIN GENIUS!!!!!:D :D :D
lol thank you! :p


Okay...maybe it's just me, but I think the age of the nation was being considered.
*nods*

I don't see how an open vote would stop puppet voting, puppets are surely nations owned by one person who already has a nation.
But what of households with more than one person participating on NS?
As you all know "Nationstates is fun for the whole family!"
Then what of all those at College or another supposedly higher form of edamacation (which is obviously flawed) many people might be at these institutions participating, would you call them Puppets?

As such i must object to this.

I oppose this proposition!

Okay...maybe it's just me, but I think the age of the nation was being considered.What about it?

What about it?

I mean, your statment on people aged 12 to 60 is basically a non-sequitor, as the age of the person was not the issue, it was restricting people based on the age of the nation.

I mean, your statment on people aged 12 to 60 is basically a non-sequitor, as the age of the person was not the issue, it was restricting people based on the age of the nation.Yeah but what about it?

I need a reason. ;)

Yeah but what about it?

I need a reason. ;)

Huh? To curb spur of the moment puppets from voting, I suppose, but there's the matter of genuine new posters...

Assuming NS players are between 12 to 60 years old, I don't really care much about minimum voting age or why do we need to impose it? If a 13 year old NS player is being very n00bish, he can always vote for the ESP.
Dude, seriously. That didn't need to be said. Yes, that's the people we're aiming for, and I know if PM's system, and the idea of pre-registering voters, comes in we'll lose a lot of votes, but you still didn't need to say it. What about NBIP? Or MOBRA? Or the Birthday Party (which will probably stand in the next election)?

Huh? To curb spur of the moment puppets from voting, I suppose, but there's the matter of genuine new posters...Captian Obvious... :headbang:


You shot me big time :D

Huh? To curb spur of the moment puppets from voting, I suppose, but there's the matter of genuine new posters...
Yeah, but their opinions don't count. Unless they vote ESP of course...;)

Captian Obvious... :headbang:


You shot me big time :D

Rawr. Fear me and my obvious-ness

The universe is big.
You have the word 'the' in your name.
Cheese is dairy.
Glucose ryhmes with Fructose.
La Dame (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/Dragonkirby/Non-Kirby/LaDame.jpg) is hot.
So is Terrorist Cakes (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/Dragonkirby/Non-Kirby/Heather.jpg).
Fish can swim.

Huh? To curb spur of the moment puppets from voting, I suppose, but there's the matter of genuine new posters...

Why are we so worried about new posters? I see new posters all of the time and most of the time they do not stick around. A poster who is genuinely interested in NS will be around for the next election, as they are not spread to far apart.

@ PM

The IP checking thing would report myself and my wife as being the same IP. We have a router and multiple machines at home, so as far as your system goes we are the same. (This is one reason why neither of us would ever join the UN).
I know it is a rare situation, but it will give a few fale positives.

(My wife is no longer active here, but I am sure we are not the only people in this situation. Including those posting from Unis etc.)

alright i updated the thingy-majigger (http://www.erebus.info/nselectiontest/nsgeneralvoteform_test1.htm)

the summary of votes can be seen here (http://www.erebus.info/Electonformtext)
and downloaded as a comma-seperated txt database here (http://www.erebus.info/nselectiontest/Electonformtext)

...which can easily be sucked into excel and sorted by IP address. so here (http://www.hlj.me.uk/ns/ns%20excel.JPG)we can see that some cheeky monkey (hehe) has been attempting to cheat - the votes in red will be deleted before the final tally is counted (easily done with a COUNTIF formula)


edit: @ PM

The IP checking thing would report myself and my wife as being the same IP. We have a router and multiple machines at home, so as far as your system goes we are the same. (This is one reason why neither of us would ever join the UN).
I know it is a rare situation, but it will give a few fale positives.

(My wife is no longer active here, but I am sure we are not the only people in this situation. Including those posting from Unis etc.)
first off, i'm sure that's a relatively rare situation. secondly, i'm sure you could make that aware to the proposed Elections Commission (which, if i haven't made it clear, i do like the idea of... not that i'm actually an MP any more, heh) and something could be worked out :)

I suck at PHP. I know some SQL btw.

Hmm... 7 out of 25 MPs voted on the first reading of the bill. C'mon 18 other MPs, what's the point of being elected? ;)

I "abstrained" and it gave me a six pack.

I "abstrained" and it gave me a six pack.Ah, yeah, right, I totally forgot about it.

first off, i'm sure that's a relatively rare situation. secondly, i'm sure you could make that aware to the proposed Elections Commission (which, if i haven't made it clear, i do like the idea of... not that i'm actually an MP any more, heh) and something could be worked out :)

For people who use AOL, you may get repeat IP adresses. AOL has a few IPs which it uses for all members.

@ PM

The IP checking thing would report myself and my wife as being the same IP. We have a router and multiple machines at home, so as far as your system goes we are the same. (This is one reason why neither of us would ever join the UN).
I know it is a rare situation, but it will give a few fale positives.

(My wife is no longer active here, but I am sure we are not the only people in this situation. Including those posting from Unis etc.)
What i said!
Imagine if Branin wasn't here?
http://www.t-shirtking.com/graphics/112-01152.jpg

For people who use AOL, you may get repeat IP adresses. AOL has a few IPs which it uses for all members.
AOL sucks. users of AOL shouldn't be allowed to vote! simple.

AOL sucks. users of AOL shouldn't be allowed to vote! simple.
Does it use it's teeth?
in any case that is discrimination!

Does it use it's teeth?
in any case that is discrimination!

Well, here in the UK we have positive discrimination as a matter of government policy. So ha!

Hmm... 7 out of 25 MPs voted on the first reading of the bill. C'mon 18 other MPs, what's the point of being elected? ;)
I'm waiting for a good way of ensuring there won't be any puppet voting (something along the lines of what PM's done, but with the more important flaws worked out), and an apology for your comment about ESP voters.

A problem with your vote. What's to stop a non-MP voting as if they were. There's no way you'd know. Meh, mandatory MP voting should be introduced. Otherwise they should be kicked out of their post unless they give an excuse.

and an apology for your comment about ESP voters.
I though silly people aren't serious guys, oh well.

I apologize for the comment about ESP voters and I will retract my comment.

I though silly people aren't serious guys, oh well.

I apologize for the comment about ESP voters and I will retract my comment.
Thank you. Yes, silly people aren't serious, but that doesn't mean you can make cheap shots against us. I'll vote yay.

AOL sucks. users of AOL shouldn't be allowed to vote! simple.

LIES! AOL pwns j00 n00b><ors!!1! :p

Well, I dunno, I'm an equal opportunity browser, I've got Aol, IE and Firefox, up right now.

A problem with your vote. What's to stop a non-MP voting as if they were. There's no way you'd know. Meh, mandatory MP voting should be introduced. Otherwise they should be kicked out of their post unless they give an excuse.

The names of those who voted are posted along with the votes, so you can ferret out all the non-MP votes later.

LIES! AOL pwns j00 n00b><ors!!1! :p

Well, I dunno, I'm an equal opportunity browser, I've got Aol, IE and Firefox, up right now.
That'd be a good list. If you got rid of AOL and IE.

Though I agree with the bill's intended purpose, I do feel that this is a blatant violation of the right of a secret ballot. Therefore, I must oppose this.

Though I agree with the bill's intended purpose, I do feel that this is a blatant violation of the right of a secret ballot. Therefore, I must oppose this.Did you check out this genius' ballot system? ;)

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10723099&postcount=61

I know this bill is pretty controversial for some of you and I tried to make this less authoritarian as possible. This is an introductory bill BTW so it won't become law after passing the third reading. After this bill passed the first reading, we could then work on amending this bill.

The names of those who voted are posted along with the votes, so you can ferret out all the non-MP votes later.That seems like it's more effort than it's worth, but it'd work. Thanks.

It's cumbersome, but I don't see another way to prevent puppet voting.

A public poll? And if there are any names in the options that aren't meant to be there then you remove them? Or am I missing something?

A public poll? And if there are any names in the options that aren't meant to be there then you remove them? Or am I missing something?They would simply not be counted in the final tally.

*bump*