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This is a "what if" question..

If USA sends troops to Iran for war.. are we weakening our defense at home?

I mean.. if we send out more of our army and all, wouldn't that make us more of a target?

Lets say N. Korea attacks. Would we be prepared to fight Afghanistan (sp?), Iraq, Iran, and N. Korea at the same time?


I think this is written stupidly.. but I can't think up a better way to put it..

I'm all for the US invading Iran. Sooner rather then later.

Of couse our defense is weakened.
Fact is that nothing will become of Iran. North Korea is another matter. Though none of the nations listed can even attack America. The world is watching America and we won't have Bush around much longer.

Lets say N. Korea attacks. Would we be prepared to fight Afghanistan (sp?), Iraq, Iran, and N. Korea at the same time?

The Axis of Evil strikes back!

Good old Americans and their love for war.
I just hope that at least one country takes the initiative and invades!

I'm not sure what I voted for. I said yes thinking that we would be very weak at home.

However, there is too great a risk to not attack Iran. They truly want to destroy the world even if it means they die also. We cannot allow them to develop or be given WMD's.

I think any war with N Korea is going to go nuclear, so it wouldn't really matter if we had enough troops at home or not. N Korea is almost as crazy as Iran just China still has a grip on N Korea. But that grip is weakening.

Well, should some other country attack the United States, their ability to deploy effectively to United State soil would be very hard. (note - I'm excepting China here, as they are the only nation with a very large standing army) There would be sufficient time for the US gov't to reinstate the draft (don't go bonkers - it could happen), and to train sufficient troops to do all the work that the army needs to do.

I am not sure what the theoretical max deploy percentage of population is, but the United States has more than sufficient manpower available should the draft be reinstated.

Woah!

I was against the whole war on Iraq in the first place...but Invading Iran on top of that you've got to be kidding me...

Of course, as more troops are sent over to hostile countries it will leave America weaker and in the long term more of a target.

I think American military doctrine is the ability to fight a war on 4 fronts so there’s awhile to go yet even if the US gets a tracing in Iran

Iraq and Afghanistan only require a relatively small number of troops now because the occupations are drawing to a close so even if NK pushed its luck and the rest of the world ran away the US could still fend off the hairy NK army

This is a "what if" question..

If USA sends troops to Iran for war.. are we weakening our defense at home?

I mean.. if we send out more of our army and all, wouldn't that make us more of a target?

Lets say N. Korea attacks. Would we be prepared to fight Afghanistan (sp?), Iraq, Iran, and N. Korea at the same time?


I think this is written stupidly.. but I can't think up a better way to put it..
all we need is the draft. as it stands, no country can stand up to american military might, although they are able to wear us down. however, whether going to war with iran and north korea is a good idea in the first place is another debate, for another time.

The type of deployment required to go to war against the entire 'axis of evil' would require full war-time deployment and conscription. The current affair in Iraq is expensive enough.

As for whether or not America would be weaker at home, well, you'd have less able-bodied soldiers for sure. But it would be a monumental task for any nation to perform a conventional invasion of a country the size of the US.

I mean.. if we send out more of our army and all, wouldn't that make us more of a target?

Lets say N. Korea attacks. Would we be prepared to fight Afghanistan (sp?), Iraq, Iran, and N. Korea at the same time?

Sorry for being harsh, but you fail at polls...
You're supposed to ask a question on the poll; you said "read post". That's perfectly fine, you probably have the question in the post.

Unfortunately, you have TWO questions, and answering YES to one means NO to the other.

Decide: which question do you want us to answer?

And once you've decided, it's already too late, people won't know (unless you change the post, but people have already voted and it would be better to start over).

You've just changed my opinion Mikesburg

pity i've already voted this poll...:headbang:

I think American military doctrine is the ability to fight a war on 4 fronts so there’s awhile to go yet even if the US gets a tracing in Iran

Iraq and Afghanistan only require a relatively small number of troops now because the occupations are drawing to a close so even if NK pushed its luck and the rest of the world ran away the US could still fend off the hairy NK army

NK can't attack us. :)

Sorry for being harsh, but you fail at polls...
You're supposed to ask a question on the poll; you said "read post". That's perfectly fine, you probably have the question in the post.

Unfortunately, you have TWO questions, and answering YES to one means NO to the other.

Decide: which question do you want us to answer?

And once you've decided, it's already too late, people won't know (unless you change the post, but people have already voted and it would be better to start over).
Hmm.. actually theres like.. three.. :rolleyes:

I guess the question meant was "Is America safe?"

How do you feel about that question?

Well, should some other country attack the United States, their ability to deploy effectively to United State soil would be very hard. (note - I'm excepting China here, as they are the only nation with a very large standing army) There would be sufficient time for the US gov't to reinstate the draft (don't go bonkers - it could happen), and to train sufficient troops to do all the work that the army needs to do.

I am not sure what the theoretical max deploy percentage of population is, but the United States has more than sufficient manpower available should the draft be reinstated.

That being said, the size of the standing army matters little if you can't deploy it. If they tried to float an invasion force over, they would be lucky if they got out of the Formosa Strait before one of our carrier groups sent it scurrying back in little pieces. If they try to go by ice bridge through Siberia into Alaska, their Army is going to freeze and starve long before they get to anything vital, and all the way they'll have to deal with both Japan-based US forces and the Far East Red Army harrassing them. Trust me, you can safely revoke that exception for China.

Hmm.. actually theres like.. three.. :rolleyes:

I guess the question meant was "Is America safe?"

How do you feel about that question?

Economically, Militarily, or Socially?

pity i've already voted this poll...:headbang:
i didn't even understand the point of the poll...

why would anyone invade the US? what would they do there, take over a lot of national debt?

NK can't attack us. :)

I thought their missiles had the range to turn California into a glass plain.

Economically, Militarily, or Socially?
Erm. Militarily.

Good old Americans and their love for war.
I just hope that at least one country takes the initiative and invades!

Someone from Britain claiming that any other country is "in love with war" is the funniest thing imaginable.

We're your only buddy in the world and we're the only nation that seems to have forgiven you for enslaving our population to serve your outmoded colonial empire.

Not only is your history of war mongering longer, harsher and more criminal than the USA but we supplied the ammo, fuel and intelligence you used to fight in the Malvinas to protect your colonialism (sheep farmers).

Which was the last war you guys even came close to winning.

Since the crown is so greedy as to alienate all the members of the EU, so you can be the last one to convert to the Euro and screw everyone else out of their currencies fair value, the USA is the last ally you'll have before you disappear under the waves of history as a dinosaur colonialist power.

later you lucky blighter bloke.

Erm. Militarily.

Militarily, the United States is very very secure. The only real conceivable threat is China, and the chances of them just deciding that the United States is now in their way is, well, slim.

However, should the Chinese leadership suddenly lose all sense and decide that America must die, it would still take time to deploy troops and move forces. There would be sufficient time to begin a draft and train at least some of them to take on the first wave of Chinese. I can't predict the ultimate outcome (as I don't know the Chinese military strength at the commencement of this hypothetical event, or the US one), but I suspect that it would be very hard to conquer the United States - almost impossibly so. Almost.

Shocking. :eek: Though sort of correct.

I really don't think at this point there is a nation out there that would want to and can invade the USA. Plenty have one or the other, but IMO all fail to get both. Really I can only see a nation like Canada, Mexico, and some of Europe being able to invade the US. But none of them want to (at least not as far as I know). Now there are plenty of countries like DPRK, China, Iran, etc that might want to invade us, but just don't have the means. But a war in Iran would weaken us none the less, I'd hate to see it come to that. If it does you will probably be able to find me on a street corner somewhere protesting the senseless war in Iran. But that's beside the point. The question seems to be "Is America safe? [militarily]". And the answer to that question is a resounding "Yes."

why do I get the feeling the rest of the world is being left out here off the top of my head the countries that have Americas back is a list far too long so I'm going to name the countries that don't: North Korea, Iran, Somalia

yep American citizens had better sleep in there bomb shelters tonight:rolleyes:

NK can't attack us. :)

If N Korea attacks S Korea or Japan, they're attacking the US.

Anyone who has actually has objective, non-politicized information about Iran's intentions raise your hand.

*Looks around, sees nobody's hand raised, not even his own*

From what information that's been run through my bullshit filter, I believe that the Iranian government sees a tide of westernization sweeping their country and desparately want to suppress it, but they're not suicidal enough to directly provoke a conflict.

North Korea is a different story, but if they were to try to invade us, China would crush them.

If Ill did try to take on both China and the US at the same time..it'd be a short war.

What does America stand to gain from invading Iran?

Iran is not Iraq - it's much larger and its army more drilled and equipped than you might think.

The truth is, since Iran's revolution over 25 years ago, it has not invaded another country, and only crossed into Iraq during the 1980's as retaliation.
America however, has invaded numerous countries, often illegally and without just cause.

Americas case for war against Iran is presented in the media as this so called "War on Terror" - yet what it really is, is a war engineered and planned by Israeli sympathizers in Washington. AIPAC and other Jewish pressure groups have manipulated the US government into putty in their hands.

What has the war on terror done for America and its people?
:: It has tarnished their image world wide
:: Made them a target for further attacks
:: Strengthened neo-conservatism & zionist lobby groups
:: More importantly, swelled the ranks of America's "enemies" and made every westerner a target.

Iran has done nothing wrong. It has a right as a soverign nation to make nuclear energy and the IAEA has found nothing resembling WMD manufacture. America and Israel do not want Iran becoming strong enough to hold its own.

Do you really think America cares for democracy in the Middle East? Of course not, it overthrew Irans first democratically elected leader in 1953 because he said he wasn't selling any more oil.

If there is war with Iran it will only lead to more innocent deaths, more US soldiers losing their lives and will create another era of murder and terrorism.
There were no carbombs in Iraq before the 2003 invasion.
America needs to free itself from Israeli control and start looking out for its real interests - making peace with the Middle East.

The media has generated this idea that men like bin Laden want world domination, and stand against freedom. This is rubbish. Bin Laden has said many times peace will come when America leaves Muslim countries and the holy lands in Saudi Arabia. Small price to pay for a realistic chance of peace dont you think?

SNIP

*sprays tea all over monitor* Wot! Wot! Firstly I would have you know that commonwealth is are codeword for Empire and are Queen will show you that anytime you yanks want fisty cuffs Secondly the world loves us do you see Canadians going round Burning the English flag? now how about the part of the world you rule what was it…Iraq oh yeah they love you with a hardon there. As for are history I would have you know we have a very good one compared to the old American one of exploitation, segregation, mass murder combined with the old surprise attack a few years into a global conflict

And I would have you know the E.U loves us the U.K, France and Germany run the show over here and the only reason for the recent love loss is because we helped you out in Iraq

Is America safe ?

To a military invasion force...of course!

The country is too large to seize.
There are too may Americans to subdue.
It would be economical suicide to try to occupy the United States of America.

However.....
Economically the U.S.of A. takes a risk sending all those troops all over the world.
Soldiers in Afghanistan, Iraq and other countries are in a warzone.
If I am correct over 2.000 Americans lost their lives in Iraq alone.
At a certain point the cost of being somewhere will be greater than the profit of being there. At this point America hasn't reached that point yet..., but if Mr. Bush decides to invade Iran or North Korea, that point will be getting near.

Is America safe ?

To terrorist attacks like 9-11....Hell No.
If some-one is willing to die for what he believes in, it is extremely difficult to stop that some-one.
I doubt there will be more airplanes falling out of the sky, but other means are available....like Biological weapons such as Antrax.
It is also possible to get dirty bombs into America.
There are thousands of miles of coastlines and borders.

I do believe that the people in charge are doing what they can to minimize the risks for the population, but there are no guarantees.

My question to you is...
"Do you feel save in America?"

*sprays tea all over monitor* Wot! Wot! Firstly I would have you know that commonwealth is are codeword for Empire and are Queen will show you that anytime you yanks want fisty cuffs Secondly the world loves us do you see Canadians going round Burning the English flag? now how about the part of the world you rule what was it…Iraq oh yeah they love you with a hardon there. As for are history I would have you know we have a very good one compared to the old American one of exploitation, segregation, mass murder combined with the old surprise attack a few years into a global conflict

And I would have you know the E.U loves us the U.K, France and Germany run the show over here and the only reason for the recent love loss is because we helped you out in Iraq

Thank you, you saved me the trouble of replying. I do hope you didn't pour the whole pot of tea over the monitor. That would be a waste of good tea.

(note - I'm excepting China here, as they are the only nation with a very large standing army)

You've utterly forgotten Switzerland, they're ones where the standing army is just about 100% of their population ;)

I'm not too worried. Every one of my neighbors has rifles and shotguns and I suspect one of them has an Abrams, but I may be mistaken ... it might be a Volvo.

I doubt anyone could successfully seize the US for very long. Except maybe China if they got their entire population on board with it.

I think American military doctrine is the ability to fight a war on 4 fronts so there’s awhile to go yet even if the US gets a tracing in Iran

Iraq and Afghanistan only require a relatively small number of troops now because the occupations are drawing to a close so even if NK pushed its luck and the rest of the world ran away the US could still fend off the hairy NK army

Pre-9/11 doctrine stated that we should be able to fight 2 not 4 wars at once. Now we are pushing for a force capable of handling many small contingencies or one major conflict.

The Axis of Evil strikes back!


Wasn't that a star wars movie?

I'm not too worried. Every one of my neighbors has rifles and shotguns and I suspect one of them has an Abrams, but I may be mistaken ... it might be a Volvo.

I doubt anyone could successfully seize the US for very long. Except maybe China if they got their entire population on board with it.

In all actuality, a Chinese expeditionary force wouldn't even make it to the coast of the U.S.. Their navy is far inferior to ours. The U.S. is the only nation with an effective blue-water navy. The U.S. is not going to have to worry about being invaded for a very long time.

In all actuality, a Chinese expeditionary force wouldn't even make it to the coast of the U.S.. Their navy is far inferior to ours. The U.S. is the only nation with an effective blue-water navy. The U.S. is not going to have to worry about being invaded for a very long time.


What about from within? I have always thought the greatest threat to our way of life were ourselves.

China can't mobilize it's army well enough to invade the United States, too much water inbetween, and too many US allied nations along the way. There are 3 Countries that could logistically make it into the US, those being Mexico, Canada, and Russia... for some reason I'm not afraid.

Second of all, you think it's hard occupying Iraq? Try occupying the US, we all have guns too, and their's a lot more of us, with even more population density.

And finally, European imperialism trumps American imperialism any day, think about it, America is the RESULT of British imperialism :P

What about from within? I have always thought the greatest threat to our way of life were ourselves.

I doubt it. I mean what would the scenario be? A civil war to abolish abortion? I think not.

I doubt it. I mean what would the scenario be? A civil war to abolish abortion? I think not.

I'd think that there would be a civil war to get back the civil liberties we are slowly losing to Bush. Though it is true that it would be impossible at the moment for any other nation's navy to get to our shores.

I'd say that Russia would be in danger of China however. Isn't that what Tom Clancy says? :p

I'd think that there would be a civil war to get back the civil liberties we are slowly losing to Bush. Though it is true that it would be impossible at the moment for any other nation's navy to get to our shores.

I'd say that Russia would be in danger of China however. Isn't that what Tom Clancy says? :p

While some are rightly concerned with phone tapping, they are not really educated as to what it really entails. It's just a computer looking for keywords. Only if you have a certain quota of the keywords does your communication get read by another human. That is not a situation where a civil war would be necessary because a conflict is only necessary when the condition of war would be worse than the conditions that the war is being fought against. I'd hardly call death and destruction on a mass scale worse than that.