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Ask a Christian..... anything at all...

Unified Sith
07-04-2006, 17:38
From starting my days in Nationstates I noticed that the forum was slightly anti-christian, heck, I too took part once upon a time in Christian bashing, but now, obviously things have changed for me.

I've noticed that a lot of people lack a basic understanding of some concepts of Christianity, or have opinions which they have formed from things in the mass media or other such areas of our culture. So today, I have decided to create this thread. "Ask a Christian." Anything can be asked, however I must request that only questions be posted. No one wants a flame war :)

Anyway, a little bit about myself for those who might want to ask.

I'm nineteen years of age, studying at Glasgow University in Scotland. I turned to Christianity as a result of an Evolution lecture. I am non denominational. I refuse to be caught up in the petty squabbles of men about God. I go to church every Sunday, though I pray and worship throughout the week.

Okay, if anyone has any questions please ask away.
Anarchic Christians
07-04-2006, 17:40
Out of interest, what church do you go to?

Personally I go to a United Reformed Church partly because they are crap at the whole 'dogma' business and partly because my local has a good youth group.
AB Again
07-04-2006, 17:41
How do you reconcile Quantum Mechanics with General Relativity? ;)
DrunkenDove
07-04-2006, 17:42
Okay, if anyone has any questions please ask away.

Ok, Why did you make an "ask a..." thread despite the mods saying that they were banned? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9088712&postcount=4)
Krisconsin
07-04-2006, 17:44
Why were they banned?
Seosavists
07-04-2006, 17:49
Why were they banned?
they're was lots of them, so they banned them...






Now that I right that down and it doesn't make sence I think I must be missing something.:confused:
DrunkenDove
07-04-2006, 17:51
Why were they banned?

People tend to copy them, and before you know it, the entire front page is filled with threads like "Ask a Slovakian pencil-maker".

And verily, the mods do descend from Maxtopia, and they look upon their subjects, and are not pleased. And verily, there is much smiting and wailing and grinding of teeth.
Nerotika
07-04-2006, 17:51
I've always wondered why they worship god as their creator. dont you think it would make more sense to say the devil himself created human kind, we do have the natural sense to distory. Also we are allowed to sin if god created us dont you think he would stop us from sinning? So I must ask fully why is your god so special?
Baratstan
07-04-2006, 18:33
Why Christianity? Why not any other religion?
Unified Sith
07-04-2006, 18:35
Out of interest, what church do you go to?

Personally I go to a United Reformed Church partly because they are crap at the whole 'dogma' business and partly because my local has a good youth group.

I got to a nice church in Glasgows West End called Regarding Hope. http://www.rehope.co.uk/

The church has Catholics, Anglicans, and just many others who want to praise God. It's a fantastic atmosphere and I've made many new friends since finding it.


How do you reconcile Quantum Mechanics with General Relativity?

I try not to think about it, I only left school with Maths at an Intermediate Two Level.

Ok, Why did you make an "ask a..." thread despite the mods saying that they were banned?

My mistake, I didn't know that they were banned. I made this thread as I felt that it was necessary to have a place for those on a forum who obviously lack certain information about a topic so hotly debated. It was my intention to provide NS with a palce where they could come to ask some questions, and I would do my best to provide some of the answers, if at all possible.

I've always wondered why they worship god as their creator. dont you think it would make more sense to say the devil himself created human kind, we do have the natural sense to destroy. Also we are allowed to sin if god created us dont you think he would stop us from sinning? So I must ask fully why is your god so special?
This was a question that I too once asked, and it's a hard one to try and explain, so I'll try my best, but please forgive me if it seems incoherent at times.
I'm going to break your question into five parts, so apologies if you don't like paragraphs.

I've always wondered why they worship god as their creator.
I worship God as my creator as I believe he created us. I love God in the same way that you would love you mum or dad, but yet, I love God more than I love my parents, because without God, I believe there would be no existence at all. And since I cherish life of all forms, beyond anything and everything else, I suppose that's why I love God, because without God, in my mind, there would be nothing.

dont you think it would make more sense to say the devil himself created human kind, we do have the natural sense to destroy.
The devil himself is the very pinnacle of sin. It would, on face value make sense to say that yes, he created us, but I believe with Christ, that God would not want to save a creation of Satan, unless it asked for his forgiveness and love, which humanity does not often do. I believe that God created us, primarily necause of the scriptures and just a really, really big gut feeling, I don't see why he would nurture a creation of Satan through the desert for forty years, or rescue his people from slavery and torture if he didn't create us. This point is continued in the next few paragraphs as well.

we do have the natural sense to destroy.

Yes we do, now. But in the beginning that wasn't the case. Christians believe that human emotion and personality has been warped by Satan, but yet, the good that God has put in is, still surfaces from time to time, all we have to do is use that Free Will of ours, which is a lot harder than most would think.

Also we are allowed to sin if god created us dont you think he would stop us from sinning?

God, throughout the bible, loves humanity with all his heart and all his being. Why many people ask? Well, truth be told, I don't know, but I can only make several guesses honestly. First of all, let me say that it would be narrow minded of me to state that this is the right answer, but I truly believe it's a part of it. First of all and most importantly I believe God loves us, because God also loves himself. In Genesis, everyone knows the story, God made Heaven and Earth and God also made man. God made man in his image. Now I believe the common misconception is that we believe God made us in his physical image, which could or could not be true, it's all interpretation. But I believe God made us in his image, not physically, but mentally. God gave us his ability of Free Will. Now earlier I said that God loves himself, I know it sounds vain, but it's true, why else would he demand sacrifices to himself?

Now it is because of this Free Will thing that God just doesn't stop us from sinning, to do so would be acting on a trait of himself, it would be taking away Gods gift to humanity, it would in simple terms be breaking a promise, which God never does. So to put it simply, God is trying to stop us from sinning, but he can't do it; even though he could, by simply clicking his fingers, it must be our choice to stop sinning, we must choose to follow God instead of ourselves.

So I must ask fully why is your god so special?

Why is God is so special, this could take me years to answer, but in truth words just don't fit it, but I'll certainly try for you. I feel God is so special, because he has loved us even when we have hated him. God has sacrificed himself for us even when we spat on him, God has saved us even when we wanted him to leave.

Why is God so special to me, because no matter what we do, no matter how we treat him God, is always there.
[NS]Simonist
07-04-2006, 18:38
Why did it take you an hour to answer any questions?

Though my real question is.....are you the type of Christians that has a beef against Catholics for no reason in particular? I can't stand those individuals. 'Specially the ones always trying to convert me.....weirdos.
Czardas
07-04-2006, 18:40
US! Told ya you'd be back. ;P You have no idea who I am, but I seem to recall your posting your departure from NS.

Or am I confusing you with someone else who left NS a while back? (Or was it just II you left? I should really cut down on the mind-altering drugs before bedtime...)


...Anyway, Drunkendove is right (oh my Mod, I did not just say that)... "ask a" threads are banned, although in light of the significant lack of any copies of this thread on the first page they may make an exception
Shotagon
07-04-2006, 18:43
Now it is because of this Free Will thing that God just doesn't stop us from sinning, to do so would be acting on a trait of himself, it would be taking away Gods gift to humanity, it would in simple terms be breaking a promise, which God never does. So to put it simply, God is trying to stop us from sinning, but he can't do it; even though he could, by simply clicking his fingers, it must be our choice to stop sinning, we must choose to follow God instead of ourselves.I'd like to know how you reconcile free will with God's omnipotence/omniscience.
DrunkenDove
07-04-2006, 18:44
...Anyway, Drunkendove is right (oh my Mod, I did not just say that)

Bwuhahahahahahaha!

*Goes on a riot*
Czardas
07-04-2006, 18:46
Bwuhahahahahahaha!

*Goes on a riot*
I wonder if it counts when you actually state facts. Oh well. Another day, another sig. :p

/joins riot out of sheer fundamentalist anarchism/

/stops spamming unified sith's thread/
Unified Sith
07-04-2006, 18:46
Why did it take you an hour to answer any questions?

Though my real question is.....are you the type of Christians that has a beef against Catholics for no reason in particular? I can't stand those individuals. 'Specially the ones always trying to convert me.....weirdos.

Some of the points needed some clear and detailed thought put into them, without making me seem evangelical lol. I hold no grudge against any branch of Christianity, it's up to them on how they feel, believe, and worship, after all I have no right to judge anyone, anywhere, at any time.

I'm not one of those really scary people who run out evangelising, I just though NS could do with a plain and simple resource thread on Christianity.


US! Told ya you'd be back. ;P You have no idea who I am, but I seem to recall your posting your departure from NS.

Or am I confusing you with someone else who left NS a while back? (Or was it just II you left? I should really cut down on the mind-altering drugs before bedtime...)

Yes, I am the original Unified Sith, however I'm not on NS to Roleplay, that's banned for good. If you would notice I'm here keeping my promise, to teach, to spread, and to help the word of God anywhere possible. Now don't take this as evangelism as I'm not out to convert anyone, I'm here to try and give a deeper understanding of what goes on in a Christians head.
Mikesburg
07-04-2006, 18:50
Is it true that you can't expose Christians to sunlight, get them wet or feed them after midnight? They are rather cuddly though...
OceanDrive2
07-04-2006, 19:00
Simonist']....are you the type of Christians that has a beef against Catholics for no reason in particular? I can't stand those individuals. 'Specially the ones always trying to convert me.....weirdos.#1< Catholics are Christians.

#2< I cant stand those (evangelical) weirdos either. Specially end-of-days-Christians.. they are so weird.
The Youth Uprising
07-04-2006, 19:03
I'd like to know how you reconcile free will with God's omnipotence/omniscience.
I'll go ahead and answer this one. Since God is omniscient and present, he is everwhere at once, and can see everything at once. It follows that he is in all times at once, and see them as if the actions were being done in the present. So, God see what you do in the future before you do it, but he does not force you to do it. I hope that explains that.
Shotagon
07-04-2006, 19:05
I'll go ahead and answer this one. Since God is omniscient and present, he is everwhere at once, and can see everything at once. It follows that he is in all times at once, and see them as if the actions were being done in the present. So, God see what you do in the future before you do it, but he does not force you to do it. I hope that explains that.Sure. The only problem I see with that is that God created us. He limited us, created us the way we are, knowing what would happen. That just doesn't seem like a very nice thing to do.

EDIT: and it gets rid of free will quite neatly. Either God is not quite so powerful as we think he is (in which case he's not really God), or we don't have free will. That doesn't sit well with Christianity's ideas on personal responsibility.
UpwardThrust
07-04-2006, 19:08
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418845

As you can see in post 4 "Ask A ..." threads are forboden
DrunkenDove
07-04-2006, 19:08
I'll go ahead and answer this one. Since God is omniscient and present, he is everwhere at once, and can see everything at once. It follows that he is in all times at once, and see them as if the actions were being done in the present. So, God see what you do in the future before you do it, but he does not force you to do it. I hope that explains that.

That implies the future is pre-determined, so therefore we have no free will, we just think we do.
Iztatepopotla
07-04-2006, 19:09
Is there a way to revert the entropy of the Universe?
DrunkenDove
07-04-2006, 19:10
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418845

As you can see in post 4 "Ask A ..." threads are forboden

Beat you to it. Muhahahaha!
UpwardThrust
07-04-2006, 19:11
Beat you to it. Muhahahaha!
:) Cool :fluffle:
Infinite Revolution
07-04-2006, 19:11
how did you become a christian after having a lecture on evolution!? was your lecturer really that bad that you were persuaded there must be a better theory?
Shotagon
07-04-2006, 19:13
how did you become a christian after having a lecture on evolution!? was your lecturer really that bad that you were persuaded there must be a better theory?Evolution does not rule out Christianity.
[NS]Simonist
07-04-2006, 19:15
#1< Catholics are Christians.

#2< I cant stand those (evangelical) weirdos either. Specially end-of-days-Christians.. they are so weird.
I know Catholics are Christians, I'm a Catholic, in case you didn't get the implications. But there are some Christians out there who would have me believe that, even though my Bible reads nearly the same as theirs, I'm not actually following the word of Christ.

Cracks me up, really....
UpwardThrust
07-04-2006, 19:19
Simonist']I know Catholics are Christians, I'm a Catholic, in case you didn't get the implications. But there are some Christians out there who would have me believe that, even though my Bible reads nearly the same as theirs, I'm not actually following the word of Christ.

Cracks me up, really....
Its funny cause my old catholic parish said the same things about protestants

Its funny how religion works like that.

Everyone thinks every other sub grouping is a bit wrong
Infinite Revolution
07-04-2006, 19:21
IGod, throughout the bible, loves humanity with all his heart and all his being. Why many people ask? Well, truth be told, I don't know, but I can only make several guesses honestly. First of all, let me say that it would be narrow minded of me to state that this is the right answer, but I truly believe it's a part of it. First of all and most importantly I believe God loves us, because God also loves himself. In Genesis, everyone knows the story, God made Heaven and Earth and God also made man. God made man in his image. Now I believe the common misconception is that we believe God made us in his physical image, which could or could not be true, it's all interpretation. But I believe God made us in his image, not physically, but mentally. God gave us his ability of Free Will. Now earlier I said that God loves himself, I know it sounds vain, but it's true, why else would he demand sacrifices to himself?

Now it is because of this Free Will thing that God just doesn't stop us from sinning, to do so would be acting on a trait of himself, it would be taking away Gods gift to humanity, it would in simple terms be breaking a promise, which God never does. So to put it simply, God is trying to stop us from sinning, but he can't do it; even though he could, by simply clicking his fingers, it must be our choice to stop sinning, we must choose to follow God instead of ourselves.

i thought lucifer gave us free will when he dressed up as a lizard and persuaded eve to eat the yummy brain-stimulation fruit? before that happened adam and eve were just spaced out nudists with nothing to concern them but eating, sleeping and shagging.
[NS]Simonist
07-04-2006, 19:22
Its funny cause my old catholic parish said the same things about protestants

Its funny how religion works like that.

Everyone thinks every other sub grouping is a bit wrong
Personally, I don't like to look at it as "wrong" or "right". We're all supposed to be following Christ's teachings, and theoretically we're all in it because it's what spiritually appeals to us. I think that's a "truth" that you can't argue....it'd be like me trying to tell you that your taste in music is wrong just 'cause it isn't mine.

That, and our priest never told us the Protestants were wrong, or anybody else for that matter, he actually shared the belief (or do I share his belief?) that spirituality is a highly personal bond between an individual and God.
Unified Sith
07-04-2006, 19:23
I'd like to know how you reconcile free will with God's omnipotence/omniscience.

God knows everything, God has created everything. God sees in the future and in the past. God is everywhere at every time. God knows the outcome of all events, but it is ultimately humanity and the choice of an individuals free will that, in the end determins when that outcome is, and more importantly what it is.

God, only acts in the present, without his knowledge of the future.

Now, I understand that makes absolutely no sense, but ultimately that's how I see it. Many people differ on this one, but that's how I view it.

Why Christianity? Why not any other religion?

I have absolutely no idea, I think it's because once I looked into Christianity, I just believed that Jesus was the messiah. I was very tempted into becoming a Muslim though. Primarily as I believe every Christian is lax in their worship of God compared to those of other religions, we should definitely be praying alot more.

KEEP IN MIND PEOPLE, THIS IS AN ASK THREAD IT IS NOT FOR SPAM. I HAVE INFORMED THE MODS OF THIS THREADS CONSTRUCTION AND I AM WAITING ON A RULING.
Dubya 1000
07-04-2006, 19:23
From starting my days in Nationstates I noticed that the forum was slightly anti-christian, heck, I too took part once upon a time in Christian bashing, but now, obviously things have changed for me.

I've noticed that a lot of people lack a basic understanding of some concepts of Christianity, or have opinions which they have formed from things in the mass media or other such areas of our culture. So today, I have decided to create this thread. "Ask a Christian." Anything can be asked, however I must request that only questions be posted. No one wants a flame war :)

Anyway, a little bit about myself for those who might want to ask.

I'm nineteen years of age, studying at Glasgow University in Scotland. I turned to Christianity as a result of an Evolution lecture. I am non denominational. I refuse to be caught up in the petty squabbles of men about God. I go to church every Sunday, though I pray and worship throughout the week.

Okay, if anyone has any questions please ask away.
:upyours:
UpwardThrust
07-04-2006, 19:24
Simonist']Personally, I don't like to look at it as "wrong" or "right". We're all supposed to be following Christ's teachings, and theoretically we're all in it because it's what spiritually appeals to us. I think that's a "truth" that you can't argue....it'd be like me trying to tell you that your taste in music is wrong just 'cause it isn't mine.

That, and our priest never told us the Protestants were wrong, or anybody else for that matter, he actually shared the belief (or do I share his belief?) that spirituality is a highly personal bond between an individual and God.
Yeah personaly I can see your priest ... the series of priests at our parish have not been so nice.

Edit: before I gave up religion for lent that is
[NS]Simonist
07-04-2006, 19:25
KEEP IN MIND PEOPLE, THIS IS AN ASK THREAD IT IS NOT FOR SPAM. I HAVE INFORMED THE MODS OF THIS THREADS CONSTRUCTION AND I AM WAITING ON A RULING.
Okay, now, just to clarify that.....are you talking about spam as in, anything other than questions to you and answers from you? Or is my little side-debate that's still along the basis of Christianity allowed in your eyes? Because I don't wanna hack you off, but it's a little unreasonable to assume that in an "Ask A...." thread, you will be the only real player....
Unified Sith
07-04-2006, 19:25
i thought lucifer gave us free will when he dressed up as a lizard and persuaded eve to eat the yummy brain-stimulation fruit? before that happened adam and eve were just spaced out nudists with nothing to concern them but eating, sleeping and shagging.

It can be perceived that way, but Adam and Eve had Free Will before eating the apple, we know that as Eve and Adam, consciously went against Gods word, signifying free will.

They needed free will to eat the apple in the first place.
Infinite Revolution
07-04-2006, 19:25
Evolution does not rule out Christianity.

no, but it rules out a part of the christian belief system which is a seriously hot topic even though it might have a fairly minor role in christian values. i do know a couple of christians who don't take genesis literally and believe that god caused the big bang within strictly controlled parameters with the aim of creating a universe with humans in it.
Shotagon
07-04-2006, 19:25
i thought lucifer gave us free will when he dressed up as a lizard and persuaded eve to eat the yummy brain-stimulation fruit? Nah, supposedly Lucifer can't create anything new. God had to have made it.

before that happened adam and eve were just spaced out nudists with nothing to concern them but eating, sleeping and shagging.Man I want that job... *le sigh*
Haerodonia
07-04-2006, 19:28
How did the lecture on evolution inspire you to become a Christian?

I really wan't to know as I am agnostic myself and unsure of God's existence.
Infinite Revolution
07-04-2006, 19:28
It can be perceived that way, but Adam and Eve had Free Will before eating the apple, we know that as Eve and Adam, consciously went against Gods word, signifying free will.

They needed free will to eat the apple in the first place.

well i don't know how you're defining free will, but you can persuade a hamster to eat pretty much anything that looks and smells tasty whether its good for them or not and i wouldn't say they had free will in terms of the ability to conciously decide to take a piece of tasty looking food.
Shotagon
07-04-2006, 19:30
God knows everything, God has created everything. God sees in the future and in the past. God is everywhere at every time. God knows the outcome of all events, but it is ultimately humanity and the choice of an individuals free will that, in the end determins when that outcome is, and more importantly what it is.

God, only acts in the present, without his knowledge of the future.

Now, I understand that makes absolutely no sense, but ultimately that's how I see it. Many people differ on this one, but that's how I view it.That makes me wonder how God supresses his own self to the point that he doesn't know what will happen in the future (the requirement for free will). How is that even possible, and is it a moral act for him to do so when he knows better?
Unified Sith
07-04-2006, 19:33
Simonist']Okay, now, just to clarify that.....are you talking about spam as in, anything other than questions to you and answers from you? Or is my little side-debate that's still along the basis of Christianity allowed in your eyes? Because I don't wanna hack you off, but it's a little unreasonable to assume that in an "Ask A...." thread, you will be the only real player....

The thread is entitled Ask a Christian. Feel free to post if you are in fact a Christian.

How did the lecture on evolution inspire you to become a Christian?

I really wan't to know as I am agnostic myself and unsure of God's existence.

The lecture, just one day hit me. That the fossil record is so incomplete, that my lecturers leave so much to chance and theory that I can't describe it, one day I just found myself walking into a church. I found that the chances of evolution were just the same as God, and my heart chose God.
Atheist Heathens
07-04-2006, 19:34
Why do you believe that the humble ameoba had to be created, couldn't have just evolved, yet you think that God the creator of the universe doesn't need to be made?
WHERE IS THE LOGIC????
UpwardThrust
07-04-2006, 19:42
The thread is entitled Ask a Christian. Feel free to post if you are in fact a Christian.



The lecture, just one day hit me. That the fossil record is so incomplete, that my lecturers leave so much to chance and theory that I can't describe it, one day I just found myself walking into a church. I found that the chances of evolution were just the same as God, and my heart chose God.
I think it would be more likly that you do not truly understand the theory then anything was "left to chanse"

I would also like to see your probability calculation
Unified Sith
07-04-2006, 19:42
That makes me wonder how God supresses his own self to the point that he doesn't know what will happen in the future (the requirement for free will). How is that even possible, and is it a moral act for him to do so when he knows better?

I'm sorry, my previous post was a little vague. I meant that God knows what will happen in the future, but does not act on that knowledge. God acts on a two D time scale for humanity, past and present. In the bible only acts in the present have been acted upon by God.


well i don't know how you're defining free will, but you can persuade a hamster to eat pretty much anything that looks and smells tasty whether its good for them or not and i wouldn't say they had free will in terms of the ability to consciously decide to take a piece of tasty looking food.

Adam and Eve were forbidden by God not to eat from the tree. They went against the word of God rather happily through temptation. Eve in the bible, wavers, and decides upon it for a few moments. Clearly demonstrating free will before eating the apple. She chooses to disobey God.
Dark Shadowy Nexus
07-04-2006, 19:49
I think I'll participate in this illegal ask a Christian thread.

How do you as a Christian reconsile good methods of arriving knowledge with the simple acceptance of here say evidence presented in the Bible?
The Union Confederates
07-04-2006, 19:54
This is not the only problem i have with Christianity, seeing as i am Athiest, but its something i'd like to see be explained.

One of the bases of the Christian church is surrounded on the fact that "Jesus never committed a sin, that he was a perfect individual, the only one that could be perfect." Now in the bible, there are 3 stories i found to be in direct conflict with this statement.

1. The story of Noah's Ark and the flooding of the earth. Noah, his family, and 2 of every species of animal are the only ones said to have survived, which would mean that GOD and his floodwaters would be responsible for the deaths of the entire other population of Earth...

2. The story of god leading the Isrealites to the holy land. While they were being chase and pursued by the Egyptians, Moses, with god's powers, split the, Red Sea i believe (but not positive), in order to save all the Isrealites. When the Egyptians tried to cross, the waters were let go and all the Egyptian soldiers were killed...another example of god sinning.

3. The story of god causing the first born child of every family to be murdered in their sleep because the Pharoah will not accept that god is the almighty being. (i'm not really sure what its called but this event does happen according to the bible)

My question is how can you believe that god is a sinless, perfect being when he has obviously killed thousands and thousands of innocent people. "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is one of the commandments, the rules of the Christian church, and clearly it's been violated.
Kamsaki
07-04-2006, 19:59
Did you really become a Christian because you didn't like evolution? Surely there's an underlying reason more persuasive than that?
UpwardThrust
07-04-2006, 20:09
Did you really become a Christian because you didn't like evolution? Surely there's an underlying reason more persuasive than that?
Yeah Somehow the leap of "Parts of this ever changing theory dont seem quite right" to "God is therefore real ... and not only real but he is the christian god"

Seems like quite a leap to me
Kamsaki
07-04-2006, 20:15
Yeah Somehow the leap of "Parts of this ever changing theory dont seem quite right" to "God is therefore real ... and not only real but he is the christian god"

Seems like quite a leap to me
I don't think it is a leap. I think he's just taken several steps and forgotten all but the one he looked down at and thought "Oh, that's interesting". Still, I was going to ask the typical "Why?" question anyway, and just thought it seemed like a misunderstanding that might be worth clearing up.
Duntscruwithus
07-04-2006, 20:27
My question is how can you believe that god is a sinless, perfect being when he has obviously killed thousands and thousands of innocent people. "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is one of the commandments, the rules of the Christian church, and clearly it's been violated.

As I understand it, the commandant was never "Not Kill", it was really "Thou Shalt Not Murder". Killing in defense is not considered murder, I.E. Moses run across the Red Sea. Besides, Gods commandant was to his followers, not to himself. Kinda like politicians, "Do As I Say, Not As I Do."
PsychoticDan
07-04-2006, 20:27
If I may debate without appearing to try to convert you...

The bible often references the "circle of the earth." For example:
"It is He that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: that bringeth the princes to nothing; He maketh the judges of the earth as vanity" (Isa. 40:22,23).There is also at least one reference to the "circle of the earth" in Genesis. Christians often refer to this as proof that the Bible refered to the earth as being a sphere long before that was proven through geometry. My problem is that a circle is not a sphere. A circle is a two demensional object and is flat. In fact, most representations of a flat Earth show the earth to be a flat circle. This leaves us in a cunundrum. Somewhere something went wrong. The original Greek used the word "circus." This has been used to mean a flat disk, but wether it means exactly the same thing as "circle" is arguable. The problem here, then, is that either the Greek is wrong or it was blown in translation. Since the earth is undeniably not a circle, then where else was the translation blown? If the Bible is devinely inspired, then shouldn't it be impervious to bad translation? If you cannot trust it's statement about the shape of our planet, what then can you trust? The only conclusion I can reasonably come to is that the Bible is subject to the same human mistakes as the people who translated it are. This must also mean that it is subject to other human frailties such as greed. There is, for example, a verse in the New Testement that requires everyone to give 10% of their earnings to the church. Isn't that a bit buerocratic for a devine text? I mean, to actually pin a percentage of your value that shoudl be donated to the church? I've always considered that kind of law to be the province of human, governmental law not religious, devinely inspired law. Your thoughts?
Karte Blanche
07-04-2006, 20:29
Sorry, I didn't read the previous 4 pages, and just kind of jumped in; though I did catch one on free will, and is what I'm going to pursue. (I apologize if this has already been gone over)

If God allows people to make their own choices, whether right or wrong, and if God knows what one will do before he does it, why is it often said that something is "not of God's will"? If it is allowed to happen, then it is God's will. If I shot the person sitting next to me in the chest, it would be of God's will. If someone is gay, it is of God's will (especially considering that being gay isn't a choice one makes). If one goes to Hell for living a sinful life, then one is going to hell for doing God's will. If God only wills what is right, then absolutley nothing is wrong, which means one of two things:
1. The entire concept of right/wrong by God's standards are completely defunct.
2. God likes to sit back and watch us destroy everything.
Karte Blanche
07-04-2006, 20:46
Simonist']Okay, now, just to clarify that.....are you talking about spam as in, anything other than questions to you and answers from you? Or is my little side-debate that's still along the basis of Christianity allowed in your eyes? Because I don't wanna hack you off, but it's a little unreasonable to assume that in an "Ask A...." thread, you will be the only real player....
Or maybe we have another messiah on our hands.:rolleyes:
Kamsaki
07-04-2006, 20:48
Or maybe we have another messiah on our hands.:rolleyes:
Is that surprising? At every given moment, someone in the world is claiming to be God's gift to mankind. I'm personally surprised we have enough religions to accommodate them all.

No offence intended to the OP, by the way.
Distressed Nick Lau
07-04-2006, 20:49
Do you take the Bible and it's stories literally?
Karte Blanche
07-04-2006, 20:56
Is that surprising? At every given moment, someone in the world is claiming to be God's gift to mankind. I'm personally surprised we have enough religions to accommodate them all.

No offence intended to the OP, by the way.
Well, didn't you know? I'm God in the flesh. You better be careful or you might get hit by a bus tomorrow, if you know what I mean.
Tactical Grace
07-04-2006, 20:58
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