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Just to add on to that thought, and this is a quote from a book: "If you dress like a piece of meat you're going to get thrown down on the BBQ" [in reference to young girls in school or out and about]

I also am not saying rape victims are sluts. Just talking about girls who dress skimpy, then complain about not getting respect.
No surprise with people like you.:rolleyes:
I don't agree with your morals either, but you won't hear me calling you a fuckwad because you think different.

No surprise with people like you.:rolleyes:
I don't agree with your morals either, but you won't hear me calling you a fuckwad because you think different.


Dinaverg feels differently it seems. He wants to leave with a bad attitude because we have a different opinion.

*Dance, puppets, DANCE!* Very good start, but I think we need more people...Someone care to link to the post in question in a more popular thread? I'm tired of these characters...

How do we know that? >.>

As for me being a pedophile, I had assumed the honor system would be used, since I'm not going to be illegally distributing child porn here just to prove my sexuality to you. ;)

As for proving what I'm attracted to, I don't think that one deserves a response.

You have a lolicon? >.>
Huh? I've seen the term, but have never been sure of the meaning. Clear it up for me, and you'll get your answer.

Dinaverg feels differently it seems. He wants to leave with a bad attitude because we have a different opinion.

Nah, I'm just tried of y'all, mostly because i'm an introvert and excessive socializaation is draining, so I want a hot button sort of post "blame lies partly on rape victims" to bring in more people, so I might could come back to the debate.

I realize that but isn't a slut wannabe going to attract more attention then the next woman?

Power has alot to do with it but the rape victim has to get the attention of the rapist first intentionally or not.

No, I think a humbly dressed woman attracts as much attention for rapists as the one who's wearing tube tops and mini-skirts. Rapists don't look for who has the least clothes on, they look for who seems the weakest, which often happen to be the humbly dressed ones, since on average (from my experience anyway), they have less self confidence than the more provocatively dressed ones.

I think it's wrong for such young people to wear clothes like that....and personally, I am a guy, 16, and I am a virgin. I don't care to admit it....there's nothing wrong with it to me...(and no, I am not one of those slobs that sit around at a computer all day and get fat, I actually work out a lot)...so there is some proof that not "all" guys arn't virgins by the time they're 16, even though I do have to say that all of my friends that are guys arn't :(

But probably the *only* reason I am still a virgin is because of God....if it wasn't for Gods' laws, I would have had sex 3000 times by now, because as hard as it was (omg it sucks to be in that position), I had to turn down sex (OMG that is the hardest thing to do, especially when the girl is hot!)...but ya...there is my story.

I think it's wrong for such young people to wear clothes like that....and personally, I am a guy, 16, and I am a virgin. I don't care to admit it....there's nothing wrong with it to me...(and no, I am not one of those slobs that sit around at a computer all day and get fat, I actually work out a lot)...so there is some proof that not "all" guys arn't virgins by the time they're 16, even though I do have to say that all of my friends that are guys arn't :(

Okay, wait...What?

But probably the *only* reason I am still a virgin is because of God....if it wasn't for Gods' laws, I would have had sex 3000 times by now, because as hard as it was (omg it sucks to be in that position), I had to turn down sex (OMG that is the hardest thing to do, especially when the girl is hot!)...but ya...there is my story.

Nice story...you look new (but that might be the gun smilies and horrible grammar), so here's a tip. Find some evidence for your God, and fast.

Okay, wait...What?



Nice story...you look new, so here's a tip. Find some evidence for your God, and fast.

Just like I tell all people that have to have "evidence"...read the bible, there is the evidence right there...and then compare everything that you read in the bible to historical and scientifical stuff.....some you may find wrong, but a lot of what they used to say was wrong is actually found to be right! Proof is in the Bible!

As for me being a pedophile, I had assumed the honor system would be used, since I'm not going to be illegally distributing child porn here just to prove my sexuality to you. ;)

As for proving what I'm attracted to, I don't think that one deserves a response.

Huh? I've seen the term, but have never been sure of the meaning. Clear it up for me, and you'll get your answer.

Means Lolita Complex. Having a liking of girls that are underage. XD
And no I don't want kiddy stuff....much much better exists anyways, why have a kid when you can have a bunch of JP girls on video! XD

Anime has alot of that stuff, but its cause your legal at 13. XD (One of my favorite series does, Loveless (non-explict, kissing at the very most between a 6th grader and a grad student (both males)) Or a few others....*pushes them under bed...*

Though seriously Dina wants out because we are all agreeing I think....

Nice story...you look new (but that might be the gun smilies and horrible grammar), so here's a tip. Find some evidence for your God, and fast.

why put the guy through the torture, when Fass is just going to show up and make him cry? Just chase him away already.

...So...wouldn't happen to think women who wear provocative clothing are to somewhat to blame if they get raped?

Running around in two pieces of tape and a cork in a bad section of town at night in a dark alley.....damn straight.

Just like I tell all people that have to have "evidence"...read the bible, there is the evidence right there...and then compare everything that you read in the bible to historical and scientifical stuff.....some you may find wrong, but a lot of what they used to say was wrong is actually found to be right! Proof is in the Bible!

I'm not in the mood for a religious debate right now, so I'm going to let you off for now. But honestly, my advice is: RUN THE FUCK AWAY. you are going to get eaten alive here.

Just like I tell all people that have to have "evidence"...read the bible, there is the evidence right there...and then compare everything that you read in the bible to historical and scientifical stuff.....some you may find wrong, but a lot of what they used to say was wrong is actually found to be right! Proof is in the Bible!

Uh-huh....hold on...




God doesn't exist....and there were some wars...and people died and stuff.

There. Evidence God doesn't exist. The proof is in my post, and everything matches up with history

Running around in two pieces of tape and a cork in a bad section of town at night in a dark alley.....damn straight.

NO! The way they dress is NOT the reason! Maybe running around in the dark alone is not the smartest thing to do, but the way they dress has nothing to do with rapists going after them.

Though seriously Dina wants out because we are all agreeing I think....

Yup, you got it. I've been called out. Can't get anything by you people.



By the way, that was sarcasm.

Personally, I think no miniskirts is a fair and lenient line. I know a couple fathers who'd draw it a burkas, to keep their little girls safe.

why put the guy through the torture, when Fass is just going to show up and make him cry? Just chase him away already.

God is proud of you. ^-^
*wishes Lada married him, instead of enslaving the knight with her unearthy charms...though he does like the SM part.*


Dina....hope your happy I said what you wanted me to say. :P

...nearly everyone i know in my english class at school is sexually active bar 4 people. there are 22 in the class.so 18 are active and the oldest in the room is 16, the majority lost virginity at 12-14...
ZOMG I should have paid more attention to what was going on around me in 6th grade. :headbang:

Dina....hope your happy I said what you wanted me to say. :P

Nah...No ones reading this thing...they all left when they realised how hopeless it was....never to return...Feh.

NO! The way they dress is NOT the reason! Maybe running around in the dark alone is not the smartest thing to do, but the way they dress has nothing to do with rapists going after them.

Not rapists...they'd do anyone....but I believe its what 75% of people are raped in there own home by someone they know? (New BF or whatever) Its what happened to my friend....when she was passed out. ;-; (She wears sweaters in SUMMER to....she is embarrassed of her breasts)

God is proud of you. ^-^
*wishes Lada married him, instead of enslaving the knight with her unearthy charms...though he does like the SM part.*

You should be.
*wishes god would debate with me already*

You should be.
*wishes god would debate with me already*
Sorry, I'm not in the mood for debate. ;)

Not rapists...they'd do anyone....but I believe its what 75% of people are raped in there own home by someone they know? (New BF or whatever) Its what happened to my friend....when she was passed out. ;-; (She wears sweaters in SUMMER to....she is embarrassed of her breasts)

there, so the way people dress has nothing to do with them being raped. So what does that tell you? BE CAREFUL WHO YOU GIVE YOUR TRUST TO.

Means Lolita Complex. Having a liking of girls that are underage. XD

That abreviation makes no sense. There is no "n" anywhere in that term.

And buy that definition, yes.

And no I don't want kiddy stuff....much much better exists anyways, why have a kid when you can have a bunch of JP girls on video! XD

I didn't say you did want it. I'm saying I'm not going to post it as some sort of evidence.

Anime has alot of that stuff, but its cause your legal at 13. XD (One of my favorite series does, Loveless (non-explict, kissing at the very most between a 6th grader and a grad student (both males)) Or a few others....*pushes them under bed...*

I know it does. Recently saw one about a man being torn up over his attraction to his thirteen year old sister. (I'm so glad we didn't bring her young cousin to see that showing.)

Though seriously Dina wants out because we are all agreeing I think....
What?

there, so the way people dress has nothing to do with them being raped. So what does that tell you? BE CAREFUL WHO YOU GIVE YOUR TRUST TO.

True statement....how can God argue with such logic. :o
Which is really sad how you can't trust many people today.

True statement....how can God argue with such logic. :o
Which is really sad how you can't trust many people today.

Especially people from the internet. :p

That abreviation makes no sense. There is no "n" anywhere in that term.

And buy that definition, yes.

I didn't say you did want it. I'm saying I'm not going to post it as some sort of evidence.

I know it does. Recently saw one about a man being torn up over his attraction to his thirteen year old sister. (I'm so glad we didn't bring her young cousin to see that showing.)

What?

Its called Lolicon cause lolocom is bad. Though in japanese it roricon *HAHAH NO L's* Do a google search if you don't believe me....trust me...its REAL though.

What show was that? I know many many ones....one being Kite (VERY SAD....too bad its not uncut usually in US....even the DVD version is hacked up I think)

Ah, yes, four of the standard arguments for absolutists seeking to impose school uniforms on hapless school students. Time to go and rebut them. :)

1.) Peer pressure and bullying.
It wouldn't be uncommon for someone to be bullied because of the way they dress, the sort of clothes they were, or how much they cost. School uniform stops all that and links all students in a common clothing code.

But of course, the uniform supporters claim that uniforms reduce peer pressure and bullying. One big problem with this argument is that kids will find things other than clothes that they can select targets for ridicule with - academic performance, height, weight, personality, and social ineptness come to mind. Note that all of these characteristics often have at least some genetic component (general intelligence in the case of academic performance, and disorders such as Asberger's syndrome in the case of social ineptness); you're not going to eliminate these differences unless you completely remove all genetic variation in the school body, and I suspect that I'm not the only person who finds complete uniformity a rather distasteful idea. The second major problem that I see with the claims of bullying reduction - one that the supporters of bullying almost invariably fail to consider at all - is that school systems often seem to be biased in favor of the bullies and cliques, rather than the outsiders. At my old school, I never heard of a single person being given more than the metaphorical slap on the wrist for bullying and disruptive behavior; how do you expect to stop bullies with uniforms when teachers can't seem to control the bullies and cliques in their own classrooms? (Please tell, I would like to know the answer.)

2.) Cases like the OP

The OP's article also makes it clear that uniforms are complete overkill when it comes to preventing revealing dress (assuming you even want to limit revealing dress in the first place) - the school's dress code prevented the girl from wearing the short skorts in the first place! Why bother implementing uniforms to enforce modesty when enforcing the dress code will do the trick?

3.) Smartness and Discipline
A school uniform brings a sense of smartness and discipline. Do you wear your own clothes in employment? In the military? In big business? No.

As for the uniform advocates' third point - see, not all of us want to have a nine-to-five job or serve in the military. I, for one, would much rather be a college professor working in basic scientific research, and college professors don't usually have to wear a specific uniform (unless you are in the lab, where it may become necessary to wear certain clothing items to prevent injury or contamination). Moreover, I seem to recall that most office-based jobs have dress codes - no, not uniforms, dress codes - like those found at many American public high schools.

I also saw references to "smartness" and discipline. First, I must ask the author, "How do you intend to codify smartness with just school uniforms? Just having school uniforms doesn't necessarily mean that someone can't show up and look completely casual while in a uniform - to do that, you have to dictate body language and behavior as well as the clothes that high school students wear." (For example, think of a student in a uniform who slouches in class and has a completely disorganized backpack. He's not exactly looking spiffy, but he is wearing a uniform.) As for discipline - what makes you think that standardizing dress is going to reduce discipline problems one iota? The only effective means of ensuring discipline that I've ever seen boils down to actually enforcing the rules you set - if the students can still break the rules and get away with it, what makes you think they won't?

4.) Indentity
Useful for identifying students if they're truanting or something.

I see a comment about reducing truancy by trying to enforce a uniform appearance (pun intended). On the surface, one would think that making all the class look alike would ensure that any member of this class who isn't where she belongs will be easily spotted and returned to where she belongs. Unfortunately, school students are determined and innovative, and any students sufficiently inclined to skip class *will* take measures to allow them to skip class with ease (the "hide a second pair of clothes in the backpack and change between classes" is the classic example, but I'm sure there are more innovative methods that this class-attending student will never find out about). A better argument could be made for using uniforms to keep intruders out, but a well-designed dress code and vigilant teachers (or security cameras) will suffice more than adequately for that role

(I'm actually a bit relieved by the last argument - I'm used to the "identity" argument being used to argue that uniforms will encourage class unity - however, given that social units such as teenage cliques are based on common features and interests and tend to contain thirty people at most, and given that you can't eliminate most, let alone all, differences with school uniforms, then it follows that merely implementing school uniforms won't boost school unity unless the class is small and already very cohesive.)

Sorry to drag the discusion back on topic but I've read through the last 6 pages or so and i'm curious why people are opposed to having school uniforms.

From what I read the only arguments have been that there is no proven benefit academically, however this fails to take into accounts social benefits and I'm pretty sure thats what this thread is all about.

Apoligies if I'm rehashing something already dealt with but 36 pages is just too much to wade through.

Sorry to drag the discusion back on topic but I've read through the last 6 pages or so and i'm curious why people are opposed to having school uniforms.

From what I read the only arguments have been that there is no proven benefit academically, however this fails to take into accounts social benefits and I'm pretty sure thats what this thread is all about.

Apoligies if I'm rehashing something already dealt with but 36 pages is just too much to wade through.
Care to point out the social benefits then?

Especially people from the internet. :p

You can trust me! :o
Cause your older and could easily control your wittle slave/God lol.

Sorry to drag the discusion back on topic but I've read through the last 6 pages or so and i'm curious why people are opposed to having school uniforms.

From what I read the only arguments have been that there is no proven benefit academically, however this fails to take into accounts social benefits and I'm pretty sure thats what this thread is all about.

Apoligies if I'm rehashing something already dealt with but 36 pages is just too much to wade through.
Students need to be taught self-esteem instead of not being allowed to wear their own clothes. They aren't soldiers.

Care to point out the social benefits then?

Social benefits are hard to do because no one except Long Beach California has had them for so long and kept it for all the years. Though I believe it would have benefits for the class as identification, unity and pride over non-uniformed schools.

Students need to be taught self-esteem instead of not being allowed to wear their own clothes. They aren't soldiers.

How would wearing your own clothes increase self-esteem?

Social benefits are hard to do because no one except Long Beach California has had them for so long and kept it for all the years. Though I believe it would have benefits for the class as identification, unity and pride over non-uniformed schools.

Yeah....I still didn't get that evidence I asked for a bit back.

How would wearing your own clothes increase self-esteem?

You feel comfortable and at home in them...they belong to and represent you.

What evidence did you ask for again?

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You don't need clothes to represent you, you represent yourself. Its not about how rich you are or anything with uniforms....everyone is themselves, not the clothes they wear.

You can trust me! :o
Cause your older and could easily control your wittle slave/God lol.

riight. There are 29 year olds getting raped all the time. I'm hardly old enough compared to them. Besides, I don't even know what you look like...maybe you ARE a creepy old perverted man trying to find little girls to rape. :eek:

*runs away*

What evidence did you ask for again?

That thing a bout the same school going from non uniform to uniform and watching the trends of behavior

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You don't need clothes to represent you, you represent yourself. Its not about how rich you are or anything with uniforms....everyone is themselves, not the clothes they wear.

Naaaah....It's just like....If you like bright colors, you might wear bright colored shirts. It's just who you are...

riight. There are 29 year olds getting raped all the time. I'm hardly old enough compared to them. Besides, I don't even know what you look like...maybe you ARE a creepy old perverted man trying to find little girls to rape. :eek:

*runs away*

No running away!

Your 29 O.o?! (Hot :o)
I'm 18. XD

Yes I have a pic to prove it....(infact I have several, but I look bad atm)

Its called Lolicon cause lolocom is bad. Though in japanese it roricon *HAHAH NO L's* Do a google search if you don't believe me....trust me...its REAL though.

Oh, so it's an englishification of a japonese term. No wonder it doesn't follow the rules of either language.

What show was that? I know many many ones....one being Kite (VERY SAD....too bad its not uncut usually in US....even the DVD version is hacked up I think)
I don't know what it was called. They'd been raised separately, and they'd met when both were on the rebound after getting out of relationships. There was a scene with them sharing a ferris wheel ride shortly before their father showed up and they realised they were related.

Doesn't really matter though, since I never saw more than the first couple of eppisodes.

No running away!

Your 29 O.o?! (Hot :o)
I'm 18. XD

Yes I have a pic to prove it....(infact I have several, but I look bad atm)

She's 17

riight. There are 29 year olds getting raped all the time. I'm hardly old enough compared to them. Besides, I don't even know what you look like...maybe you ARE a creepy old perverted man trying to find little girls to rape.

*runs away*

Hmm...He does talk about what slutty girls look like a lot...

Care to point out the social benefits then?

Feel I'm about to get battered but here we go.

Regardless of the argument that even with uniforms students will still find things to bully each other about, having a common dress code will reduce differences between pupils. Especially if the uniforms must be bought from a common outfitter. This lead to a side benefit of helping out the families of poorer students as there is less peer pressure. The idea that as a uniform doesn't solve all problems related to bullying and as such should be dicounted strikes me as a little daft. Surely some solution is better than none.

Uniforms also help when trying to deal with truant kids. Even bearing in mind that a child who really want to take French leave will find some way around it, it still seems that it can provide some kind of aid to the agencies who are responsible finding these kid. Again, even some aid is better than none.

To address the actual point of the thread, why not have a uniform instead of a dress code to promote modesty among students. So far the only arguments put forward against uniforms are that they aren't perfect and so society shouldn't bother.

Five - Interesting....least you didn't show your kid Elfen Lied....or NGE.
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Dina - You corrupt everything. :o :p

No running away!

Your 29 O.o?! (Hot :o)
I'm 18. XD

Yes I have a pic to prove it....(infact I have several, but I look bad atm)

I wanted to see how long it would take for Dina to tell you every single bit of information about me...I'm surprised he hasn't told you where I live and my background yet. Oh well.

I wanted to see how long it would take for Dina to tell you every single bit of information about me...I'm surprised he hasn't told you where I live and my background yet. Oh well.

Lada....no need. :o
Getting little weird.....but I got to head to bed now anyways.

Lada....no need. :o
Getting little weird.....but I got to head to bed now anyways.

okeys. bye. :fluffle:

Feel I'm about to get battered but here we go.

Regardless of the argument that even with uniforms students will still find things to bully each other about, having a common dress code will reduce differences between pupils. Especially if the uniforms must be bought from a common outfitter. This lead to a side benefit of helping out the families of poorer students as there is less peer pressure. The idea that as a uniform doesn't solve all problems related to bullying and as such should be dicounted strikes me as a little daft. Surely some solution is better than none.

The first problem with this argument is that implementing uniforms does nothing to reduce bullying - it merely shifts the superficial characteristics that lead bullies to choose their victims, and does nothing at all to alleviate the fundamental characteristics that lead to bullying (abnormally high or low intelligence, lack of conformity, low self-esteem, ethnic background, and economic situation, among others). Moreover, attempts to prevent bullying and other disruptive behaviors will get nowhere unless the school administration is willing to punish the offenders - and I believe that most school administrators would rather overlook the problem as opposed to solving it.

In addition, requiring uniforms to be bought from a common outfitter is an even worse proposal than mere uniforms, especially for poor families. Unfortunately, the common outfitters selected for the uniform contracts are invariably expensive - the $100 needed for a hypothetical single outfit ($100 is a rather middle-of-the-road estimate) in and of itself would be a financial burden for some poor families, let alone the money needed for multiple copies of the same outfit (and let's not even mention the possibility of a poor family needing uniforms for several school-age children at the same time). Even worse, uniform scholarships for poor families tend to be rather rare, and many families may be left out because their families are too rich to qualify for the scholarships yet too poor to afford the uniforms.

Uniforms also help when trying to deal with truant kids. Even bearing in mind that a child who really want to take French leave will find some way around it, it still seems that it can provide some kind of aid to the agencies who are responsible finding these kid. Again, even some aid is better than none.

Measures such as security cameras taking roll in every class always seemed to keep the kids in class at my old school. :) (My new school isn't really applicable to this thread, as it's more university than high school.)

To address the actual point of the thread, why not have a uniform instead of a dress code to promote modesty among students. So far the only arguments put forward against uniforms are that they aren't perfect and so society shouldn't bother.

All the arguments put forth so far a superficial arguments over minor points. The fundamental argument against school uniforms is that said uniforms limit the student's freedom of expression (by preventing the student from wearing clothes that express said student's viewpoint). Most people seem to disagree with the "no restrictions on dress" extreme (as it isn't really workable in real life), but most people also disagree with the school uniform route, since school uniforms limit clothing-expressed speech to the officially approved message.

Heck, I don't really like the idea of dress codes, either. The difference is that dress codes are a tolerable evil, while school uniforms are taking the issue to the authoritarian extreme.

I wanted to see how long it would take for Dina to tell you every single bit of information about me...I'm surprised he hasn't told you where I live and my background yet. Oh well.

Near Vancouver, I think Uvic is some kinda school you attend, and you're from China, moved here in highschool. I've got a good memory, so sue me.

Near Vancouver, I think Uvic is some kinda school you attend, and you're from China, moved here in highschool. I've got a good memory, so sue me.

wow...out of those 4 pieces of information, only 1 is right.

The whole freedom of expression argument is bs. If a student is so superficial that they need to wear to lastest cool top or Armani jeans in order to express themselves then I feel that the youth of today really has a problem. There are plenty of activities such as art, writing, scientific endeavour and sporting achievement that provide plenty of scope for individuality.

Having attended school which required uniform, I also know that the UK government provide financial assistance to poor families in the form of uniform vouchers. Someting that they don't do for schools where there is no dress code.

Preventing truancy buy constant surveillance? Ahh, I see you believe in the "freedom of expression while under strict supervision" school of thought :rolleyes: do you not see the two things as mutually exclusive?

wow...out of those 4 pieces of information, only 1 is right.

Shouldn't you be happier?

The whole freedom of expression argument is bs. If a student is so superficial that they need to wear to lastest cool top or Armani jeans in order to express themselves then I feel that the youth of today really has a problem. There are plenty of activities such as art, writing, scientific endeavour and sporting achievement that provide plenty of scope for individuality.

How about a blue T-shirt? Can I wear a blue T-shirt?

Preventing truancy buy constant surveillance? Ahh, I see you believe in the "freedom of expression while under strict supervision" school of thought :rolleyes: do you not see the two things as mutually exclusive?

All you really need to do is send a message to the parents that their kid was absent in one or more classes. If the parent thinks they're at school, and finds out they aren't, caught truant.

The whole freedom of expression argument is bs. If a student is so superficial that they need to wear to lastest cool top or Armani jeans in order to express themselves then I feel that the youth of today really has a problem.

I call straw man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man). I didn't say that the school necessarily had to allow the latest fashion statements - it only takes a dress code to outlaw such fashion statements.

To summarize:
Dress code: "You want to wear green clothes? Sure - just don't wear it in manners X, Y, or Z."
Uniforms: "You want to wear green clothes? Tough shit - the uniform colors are maroon and white. Deal with it."

There are plenty of activities such as art, writing, scientific endeavour and sporting achievement that provide plenty of scope for individuality.

Interesting. You specifically make note of these other potential ways for students to express themselves, and yet you seem to think that uniforms will somehow effect bullying, whose victims be selected just as easily by any of these means of expression as said victims can be selected through clothing choices. Something's got to give.

Contradiction aside, nobody said you couldn't still express yourself in through any of these means in a school without uniforms. As far as freedom of expression arguments are concerned, all these other forms of expression are secondary; we aren't arguing whether students should have means to express themselves, we are asking whether one possible means for students to express themselves should be banned. There is a difference.

Having attended school which required uniform, I also know that the UK government provide financial assistance to poor families in the form of uniform vouchers. Someting that they don't do for schools where there is no dress code.

Good for the British schools, then. I'm used to discussions of the American school system, where such assistance to poor families is not a given.

Preventing truancy buy constant surveillance? Ahh, I see you believe in the "freedom of expression while under strict supervision" school of thought :rolleyes: do you not see the two things as mutually exclusive?

To me, surveillance cameras cover almost the same ground as the school uniform debate. I disagree with the extreme implementation of these ideas (constant video surveillance of all students and school uniforms, respectively), but a limited implementation of surveillance cameras (say, one camera for each main school entrance and a camera for the parking lot) can be *tolerated* - not liked, but *tolerated* - in order to deter truancy and offer a modicum of security. Naturally, dress codes are the similar limited implementation in the school uniform debate. :)

I don't know what it was called. They'd been raised separately, and they'd met when both were on the rebound after getting out of relationships. There was a scene with them sharing a ferris wheel ride shortly before their father showed up and they realised they were related.

Doesn't really matter though, since I never saw more than the first couple of eppisodes.

It's called Koi Kaze (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=3595).

I though it was pretty good, very tragic.

Dude, it's 6:05 am here and I can no longer think straight but I'll reply to your point tomorrow when I've had some sleep. Tatty bye.

It's called Koi Kaze (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=3595).

I though it was pretty good, very tragic.
Yep, that's the one. I only saw the first couple of eppisodes, but I was already in the throes of sympathetic depression. It wasn't as depressing as Boogie pop, but then again, nothing is.

Yep, that's the one. I only saw the first couple of eppisodes, but I was already in the throes of sympathetic depression. It wasn't as depressing as Boogie pop, but then again, nothing is.

Actually evangelion has the most in-depth emotional depression and fall of humanity in it. :) Ever seen 1-26 + End of Evangelion you'd know what I mean. Boogiepop is just messed up but is not as sad on a whole as NGE was.

Though we have cameras in our school....help cut down on problems, but we also have police around to. So call it what you want. XD

No, I think a humbly dressed woman attracts as much attention for rapists as the one who's wearing tube tops and mini-skirts. Rapists don't look for who has the least clothes on, they look for who seems the weakest, which often happen to be the humbly dressed ones, since on average (from my experience anyway), they have less self confidence than the more provocatively dressed ones.


I agree with what you said up till that last sentence. Think about it, the skimpy dressed ones dress like that becasue they don't have the self-confidence to believe they can get noticed without dressing like that.

The ones who dress casual understand they don't need to dress like a slut to get attention. Therefore, they have more self confidence.

But thank you for that I have new insight on my opinion and I see it was wrong.

Sicking and Indecent. Is this what the U.S. wants to produce, sluts and whores. They should be executed without exception for they are no different than the rats you call an exterminator for.

are you on something? or do you just live in a country where you see MURDER (totally unjustified killing) as a solution for everything?

They are HUUMAN BEINGS with feelings, as are their families who you would badly affect by killing the girls.

And Nasavia, from the women I've spoken to, they dress "like a slut" as you so nicely put it (do you go around calling men wearing shorts sluts too?), or to be more accurate, they dress with not a lot on because they DO have confidence. It takes a lot of confidence to expose certain parts of your body.

Shouldn't you be happier?

I am happy. I just over-estimated your stalking/creepy skills.

I agree with what you said up till that last sentence. Think about it, the skimpy dressed ones dress like that becasue they don't have the self-confidence to believe they can get noticed without dressing like that.

The ones who dress casual understand they don't need to dress like a slut to get attention. Therefore, they have more self confidence.

But thank you for that I have new insight on my opinion and I see it was wrong.

You need a certain amount of self confidence to show a lot of skin. I know personally I would never be able to do that because I'm not attractive enough. In that sense, I'm less confident about my body than the other people are. That was what I meant. Of course, you don't HAVE TO dress like sluts if you DO have the body, just some people are attention whores and want that extra attention.

I am happy. I just over-estimated your stalking/creepy skills.

I'd bet you did. So...Ice cream cake?

You need a certain amount of self confidence to show a lot of skin. I know personally I would never be able to do that because I'm not attractive enough. In that sense, I'm less confident about my body than the other people are. That was what I meant. Of course, you don't HAVE TO dress like sluts if you DO have the body, just some people are attention whores and want that extra attention.

Your attractive! One of the most prettiest I seen to! Though its just that way cause you happen to be my type/fetish/age group/etc.....

Though I agree most that flaunt the looks have confidence or are just attention whores. (LOL! The same type of use that so many people thought against before has another use here) Though do you really think a 10-year old would be aware of it? Its obvious she got that idea it was acceptable from her mother.

You need a certain amount of self confidence to show a lot of skin. I know personally I would never be able to do that because I'm not attractive enough. In that sense, I'm less confident about my body than the other people are. That was what I meant. Of course, you don't HAVE TO dress like sluts if you DO have the body, just some people are attention whores and want that extra attention.

Geez, I didn't expect confidence issues here. You realize of course if you weren't incrediblely attractive I wouldn't bother to come off as creepy.

Though do you really think a 10-year old would be aware of it? Its obvious she got that idea it was acceptable from her mother.

Ah, now her mother is a slut, or just a bad parent?

Ah, now her mother is a slut, or just a bad parent?
Bad parent.

Your attractive! One of the most prettiest I seen to! Though its just that way cause you happen to be my type/fetish/age group/etc.....

Though I agree most that flaunt the looks have confidence or are just attention whores. (LOL! The same type of use that so many people thought against before has another use here) Though do you really think a 10-year old would be aware of it? Its obvious she got that idea it was acceptable from her mother.

yes, a ten year old would be aware of it because she knows she'd get extra attention from the people, not just boys, at her school. She's also constantly being bombarded by the media, and in this case, her mother, with acceptance of provocative dressing even though the rest of society might not accept it. She also knows that the media says that only a certain type of people is beautiful and she probably fits into that category. I have trouble imagining this girl as a dorky girl wearing braces and glasses wanting to wear mini-skirts. (wow...that was so not where I wanted it to go...)

yes, a ten year old would be aware of it because she knows she'd get extra attention from the people, not just boys, at her school. She's also constantly being bombarded by the media, and in this case, her mother, with acceptance of provocative dressing even though the rest of society might not accept it. She also knows that the media says that only a certain type of people is beautiful and she probably fits into that category. I have trouble imagining this girl as a dorky girl wearing braces and glasses wanting to wear mini-skirts. (wow...that was so not where I wanted it to go...)

...This isn't getting auto-biographical is it?

You need a certain amount of self confidence to show a lot of skin. I know personally I would never be able to do that because I'm not attractive enough. In that sense, I'm less confident about my body than the other people are. That was what I meant. Of course, you don't HAVE TO dress like sluts if you DO have the body, just some people are attention whores and want that extra attention.
And some people are the jelous types and deride them for showing what they themselfs dont have? (grr have tried to think of three diferent ways to say this but no good way)

Not trying to imply you are just that some people get on people for choosing to dress one way as much as the "good looking" ones pick on the less fortunate for how they look

I never got it ... and for some reason the fight is that much more vicious between females.

yes, a ten year old would be aware of it because she knows she'd get extra attention from the people, not just boys, at her school. She's also constantly being bombarded by the media, and in this case, her mother, with acceptance of provocative dressing even though the rest of society might not accept it. She also knows that the media says that only a certain type of people is beautiful and she probably fits into that category. I have trouble imagining this girl as a dorky girl wearing braces and glasses wanting to wear mini-skirts. (wow...that was so not where I wanted it to go...)

LOL. You seen here picture? She's not even in the least bit attractive in the first place. She HARDLY looks 10 to. (Although she does appear to have short shorts on instead of the miniskirt in the picture.)

And some people are the jelous types and deride them for showing what they themselfs dont have? (grr have tried to think of three diferent ways to say this but no good way)

Not trying to imply you are just that some people get on people for choosing to dress one way as much as the "good looking" ones pick on the less fortunate for how they look

I never got it ... and for some reason the fight is that much more vicious between females.

I know what you mean and yes some women are so uptight about looks, though they do have alot of influence from the media and the whole world around them.

And some people are the jelous types and deride them for showing what they themselfs dont have? (grr have tried to think of three diferent ways to say this but no good way)

Not trying to imply you are just that some people get on people for choosing to dress one way as much as the "good looking" ones pick on the less fortunate for how they look

I never got it ... and for some reason the fight is that much more vicious between females.

Personally, I couldn't care less how other people dress as long as they don't make me stare at their cleavage or something. But knowing some of these girls personally, I get a sense that they feel it's a part of being "normal" to wear practically no clothing, especially to school, a place I still consider as academic, not a fashion show.

And don't worry, we all have those feelings. Women are better at getting our revenge than men are. We have more...devious means to get what we want.

LOL. You seen here picture? She's not even in the least bit attractive in the first place. She HARDLY looks 10 to. (Although she does appear to have short shorts on instead of the miniskirt in the picture.)

She looks like the type to want those kind of clothes. I worked with children a lot for volunteering and stuff and just the way she sits screams "queen bee" at me.

She looks like the type to want those kind of clothes. I worked with children a lot for volunteering and stuff and just the way she sits screams "queen bee" at me.

Yep. Also seems to have a serious attitude problem as a result of mommy.

Also speaking of bad cleavage....I almost ran face-first into the chest of a 300 pound girl who had a chest that would look like a 50-year-olds and that was saggy and nasty and just sickening how much cleavage was shown. I could probably place a 2-liter bottle of coke inbetween her shirt and cleavage and only have it fall out under her shirt cause of how BIG and how much showed.

Where's the vomiting smiliely when you need it? O.o

Yep. Also seems to have a serious attitude problem as a result of mommy.

Also speaking of bad cleavage....I almost ran face-first into the chest of a 300 pound girl who had a chest that would look like a 50-year-olds and that was saggy and nasty and just sickening how much cleavage was shown. I could probably place a 2-liter bottle of coke inbetween her shirt and cleavage and only have it fall out under her shirt cause of how BIG and how much showed.

Where's the vomiting smiliely when you need it? O.o

riight. So why did you feel you had to share that? Now I have to go hate myself for judging that girl because she's overweight.

school, a place I still consider as academic, not a fashion show.

Where have you been? If the little girl wants to dressup like a slut, Im fine with it.

riight. So why did you feel you had to share that? Now I have to go hate myself for judging that girl because she's overweight.

She's PROUD of it. She constantly thrusts her big butt at the guys and shows it off in what appear to be PAJAMAS at school. She's like this girl....except fat....and bisexual....and a true whore. (she tried to get me into a three-some with another chick....so I know her personally)

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Unogal....you may be fine with it, but are you a girl or a boy? :D

She's PROUD of it. She constantly thrusts her big butt at the guys and shows it off in what appear to be PAJAMAS at school. She's like this girl....except fat....and bisexual....and a true whore. (she tried to get me into a three-some with another chick....so I know her personally)

Okay, I don't feel so bad for judging her now. (I'm thinking you turned it down? ...or did you? ;) )