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This has just been alleged by "Scooter" Libby.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/washington/06cnd-leak.html?hp&ex=1144382400&en=cc5a0128b83c317e&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Although I don't consider "Scooter" to be the most reliable source what he's saying doesn't really suprise me in the least. It is just more evidence for what I already know, Bush's administration is unscrupulous and even criminal in its actions, and the "liberal" American media is often nothing but a tool of propaganda. Go abroad and listen to the news if you think you are getting even half of the facts from our media here.

Interested what the rest of you all think.

You live where?

I was under the impression this happened all the time. Like when the Uk gov leaked David Kelley's name to deflect blame about the WMD thing.

Liasia']I was under the impression this happened all the time. Like when the Uk gov leaked David Kelley's name to deflect blame about the WMD thing.

I've known about Scooter for about 3 months now. I think this guy has it all wrong about what we get here. It just a matter of fact if people care or not.

We get the daily show here in the Uk, and that seems pretty anti-government. Surely that and some other media must present a different point of view?

I've always found the media in America to be big time left wing and constantly trying to make the US/Bush sound bad, as opposed to being a 'tool of propaganda'

I've always found the media in America to be big time left wing and constantly trying to make the US/Bush sound bad, as opposed to being a 'tool of propaganda'

Never watched fox news?

Liasia']We get the daily show here in the Uk, and that seems pretty anti-government. Surely that and some other media must present a different point of view?

Well first of all the daily show is a comedy central entertainment news show. While I enjoy it I don't consider it mainstream network news or even full out news. Maybe it is the sketch comdedy or the fact that they don't actually even go to location they just film next to blue screens in the studio, I dunno maybe that is just me. Second of all it is most certainly not "anti-government". Liberal is about as far as you can go in that direction.

And yes, of course there is access to differing point of views. This isn't Nazi Germany it is America. But is it open like it shoud be? Not even close. If you want information about Guantanamo Bay you should read small time papers through google or foreign publications. Large corporations like GM who own much of the media outlets can veto stories. Pundits have even been caught being paid by political parties to express certain views. Is this what the media is supposed to be? No. When was the last time anyone in American heard about the "black sites" that are the opposite of everything America stands for in mainstream media? I've noticed large protests being mysteriously absent from the news the next day as well.

Bottom line: Is there an iron fist enclosing American media and controlling what we hear? Nope. Is there an organized attempt to control the media for political purposes? Yes most certainly. Does the media often play a part in this itself? Yes.

I've always found the media in America to be big time left wing and constantly trying to make the US/Bush sound bad, as opposed to being a 'tool of propaganda'

i don't know about tools of propaganda (fox being a notable exception) but they pander to the lowest common denominerican.

Well first of all the daily show is a comedy central entertainment news show. While I enjoy it I don't consider it mainstream network news or even full out news. Maybe it is the sketch comdedy or the fact that they don't actually even go to location they just film next to blue screens in the studio, I dunno maybe that is just me. Second of all it is most certainly not "anti-government". Liberal is about as far as you can go in that direction.

And yes, of course there is access to differing point of views. This isn't Nazi Germany it is America. But is it open like it shoud be? Not even close. If you want information about Guantanamo Bay you should read small time papers through google or foreign publications. Large corporations like GM who own much of the media outlets can veto stories. Pundits have even been caught being paid by political parties to express certain views. Is this what the media is supposed to be? No. When was the last time anyone in American heard about the "black sites" that are the opposite of everything America stands for in mainstream media? I've noticed large protests being mysteriously absent from the news the next day as well.

Bottom line: Is there an iron fist enclosing American media and controlling what we hear? Nope. Is there an organized attempt to control the media for political purposes? Yes most certainly. Does the media often play a part in this itself? Yes.

As the Daily show has said, methinks *cough*. Nice rant btw.

Fox news is right wing but all other news sources are left wing. I find MSNBC to be the most un- biased. Any way Scooter is trying to save his own ass. He likes the scene on capitol hill and the way things are goin he might be lookin at a wall of a 15 by 15 cell in a federal penetentary. The whole thing is a pile of crap and shouldn't be listed to. If it turns out to be true for some bizarre reason, I'll admit ignorance, but the way things have been looking for Scooter, he's trying to save his own hide.

This reminds me of a converstation I had today with my friend about an editorial in our school newspaper. The editorial was talking about the often asserted idea that the "Liberal" media only reports the negative aspects of Iraq and thus panders to the left and tries to discredit the administration by ignoring the good things that go on in Iraq.

The only point we needed to bring up in opposition was a small hypothetical. If there was a car bomb that went off in Boston, MA would the fact that kids still went to school that day make the news? Would the completion of a new water pump make the news? What if everyday all over America people were being kidnapped and murdered?

When you turn on the news how often do you hear about murder, crime, and other negative news in comparison to the occasional "feel good" story? When people are dying that makes the news over the school play. Sorry.

Where i live we don't get bad news. The local news is reeel boring, for some reason they always end up talking about ducks:confused:

Liasia']Where i live we don't get bad news. The local news is reeel boring, for some reason they always end up talking about ducks:confused:

Haha where is this?

Haha where is this?

South- west of England. Either wildlife, rain levels or traffic.

Liasia']South- west of England. Either wildlife, rain levels or traffic.

Your life sounds fantastic.

Liasia']Where i live we don't get bad news. The local news is reeel boring, for some reason they always end up talking about ducks:confused:
What a world you live in o.o!

Happy *bump*ies.
Today's the lead-up to the Cheney/DeLay Rebuttal! Bush never knows anything, and after saying he was gonna "get" whoever leaked whatever, i'm sure he's got a brush-clearing "vacation" in the works :rolleyes:

Liasia']Where i live we don't get bad news. The local news is reeel boring, for some reason they always end up talking about ducks:confused:

Lucky!


/me wants a duck as a pet

Apart from the whole Plame thing which has turned out to be a non issue because of her embassy posting, what was so damned important that was leaked exactly? None of the information had a classification above secret, which basically means try to keep this info under wraps but if it gets out it's not that important unless it happens continually.

Apart from the whole Plame thing which has turned out to be a non issue because of her embassy posting, what was so damned important that was leaked exactly? None of the information had a classification above secret, which basically means try to keep this info under wraps but if it gets out it's not that important unless it happens continually.
There's the whole outting of an undercover agent, which as I recall is illegal. Then it's the fact that this was done not by acident, not by a reporter overhearing a conversation, not even to protect lives, but because of politics and an attempt to discredit a man who had embaressed the administration.

Sounds like issues to me.

This has just been alleged by "Scooter" Libby.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/06/washington/06cnd-leak.html?hp&ex=1144382400&en=cc5a0128b83c317e&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Although I don't consider "Scooter" to be the most reliable source what he's saying doesn't really suprise me in the least. It is just more evidence for what I already know, Bush's administration is unscrupulous and even criminal in its actions, and the "liberal" American media is often nothing but a tool of propaganda. Go abroad and listen to the news if you think you are getting even half of the facts from our media here.

Interested what the rest of you all think.

wow a politician that lies and does shit for political gain...omg....gasp

me thinks they all do....clinton /bush/all of the scoundrels

This reminds me of a converstation I had today with my friend about an editorial in our school newspaper. The editorial was talking about the often asserted idea that the "Liberal" media only reports the negative aspects of Iraq and thus panders to the left and tries to discredit the administration by ignoring the good things that go on in Iraq.

The only point we needed to bring up in opposition was a small hypothetical. If there was a car bomb that went off in Boston, MA would the fact that kids still went to school that day make the news? Would the completion of a new water pump make the news? What if everyday all over America people were being kidnapped and murdered?

When you turn on the news how often do you hear about murder, crime, and other negative news in comparison to the occasional "feel good" story? When people are dying that makes the news over the school play. Sorry.
But what if the school play was really really good? Kidding, good analogy.

Last time this was brought up to me I ended up responding, "Look, if I send a kid to clean up his room and he smashes the window, kicks holes in the walls and burns his furniture in a pile in the center of the room I'm not going to spend too much time congratulating him on managing to put away his toys..."

Apart from the whole Plame thing which has turned out to be a non issue because of her embassy postingWrong.
This is where you're reminded YET AGAIN to keep up with the issue.
Look up NOC.
Look up Plame in news status on whatever engine you find handy, in pertinence to current releases on part of Fitzgerald.
And then PLEASE grow up and deal with it.

I've always found the media in America to be big time left wing and constantly trying to make the US/Bush sound bad, as opposed to being a 'tool of propaganda'

This is not a function of the media's bias but your own. Take a look at the Daily Show. They're actually pretty impartial. They make fun of Democrats for being uncharismatic almost as much as they make fun of Republicans for being corrupt or dishonest. When Planned Parenthood ran an ad against Bush's first Supreme Court pick TDS called it a bunch of crap the very next day. They routinely have arch-conservative guests on the show and kiss their asses. They had Zell miller on. They had John McCain on to explain why he was giving the Commencement speech at Liberty University.

All that and they're still way to the left of any of the news networks, including the supposedly liberal MSNBC.

For you to think that the media is liberal is like how a bathtub feels scalding hot when you get in. You're really chilly from standing in a porcelin room naked. The water is warm. Once the water warms you up it feels merely warm, but now the room feels freezing cold.

You've steeped your brain in the cauldron of far-right propaganda and so a firm conservative bias, as evidenced by corporate news outlets, looks to you like a liberal bias because your bias is just so far to the right of that. Impartial media, like the Daily Show, looks to you like humorous hyperbole because reality is to the left of the news outlets that you're used to.

Also, you're deliberatly using a flawed measure of bias. The measure of bias is not how often an outlet criticizes one side compared to the other or whether it gives equal weight to each side. Take for example, coverage of a NOW rally in favor of abortion rights. The Media typically give equal weight to the NOW rally (whose attendence may measure in the thousands) and to the Concerned Women of America protest (which will be 3 women at a desk with a stack of pamphlets). This represents an absurd conservative bias, yet unless you're there it looks impartial. If the camera pulls back and shows you what's going on, it's not a liberal bias. It's a reality bias. And that's exactly the sort of bias the media should have but doesn't.

wow a politician that lies and does shit for political gain...omg....gasp

me thinks they all do....clinton /bush/all of the scoundrels

That's not "lying and doing shit." That's treason. Undermining the career of a counter-terrorism operative. Undermining counter-terrorism operations. The fact that it's hypocritical of a guy who ran on his imaginary record of national security to do such a thing is besides the point.

This reminds me of a converstation I had today with my friend about an editorial in our school newspaper. The editorial was talking about the often asserted idea that the "Liberal" media only reports the negative aspects of Iraq and thus panders to the left and tries to discredit the administration by ignoring the good things that go on in Iraq.

The only point we needed to bring up in opposition was a small hypothetical. If there was a car bomb that went off in Boston, MA would the fact that kids still went to school that day make the news? Would the completion of a new water pump make the news? What if everyday all over America people were being kidnapped and murdered?

When you turn on the news how often do you hear about murder, crime, and other negative news in comparison to the occasional "feel good" story? When people are dying that makes the news over the school play. Sorry.

Write this up as an op-ed for your school newspaper. When they don't run it accuse them of being hypocrites on the whole "media impartiality" thing.