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Fossil Called Missing Link From Sea to Land Animals (http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060406093109990001&ncid=NWS00010000000001)

Intelligent Design? Someone misunderestimated the whole process.

What does one odd looking fish prove? Nobody was there to see whether or not it evolved into land animals. All you can say for sure is that it shares similarities with land animals. Humans share some similarity with birds, but that doesn't mean humans were once a flying species.

What "similarities" do humans share with birds? We have two legs, oh my god we are the same! That is not how things are compared on the evolutionary scale and I am damn sure you know that.

This is now the fourth thread on this topic. :)

What does one odd looking fish prove? Nobody was there to see whether or not it evolved into land animals. All you can say for sure is that it shares similarities with land animals. Humans share some similarity with birds, but that doesn't mean humans were once a flying species.

I think humans were a flying species and they used to fly regularly to the moon to harvest green cheese. Pffft, what do these scientists, know who have studied in depth this single subject for their entire adult lives?

Well, time to go. I've got some patients to expell evil spirits from. Where'd I put my leeches and my lucky chicken foot?

Fossil Called Missing Link From Sea to Land Animals (http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060406093109990001&ncid=NWS00010000000001)

Intelligent Design? Someone misunderestimated the whole process.

It doesn't matter how many arguments (quoteunquote) are smacked down.

"Intelligent Design" isn't born from argument or evidence. It's faith, so as long as people have faith in Biblical literalism, "ID" will always remain.

And if you invented a time machine and went back to confirm it, the IDers would still find something wrong. They'd say this was all just a test of Satan to tempt us into the evils of Godless Science.

Well, time to go. I've got some patients to expell evil spirits from. Where'd I put my leeches and my lucky chicken foot?
:eek: Witchcraft! Burn him!

What "similarities" do humans share with birds? We have two legs, oh my god we are the same! That is not how things are compared on the evolutionary scale and I am damn sure you know that.
Granted the similarities are few, but the similarities between the fish and land animals are few as well. They include only the bone structure in it's fins and the structure of it's rib cage, from what I've heard.

The fact is that a fossil with similarities to existing animals doesn't prove that one species transformed into another.

Fossil Called Missing Link From Sea to Land Animals (http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060406093109990001&ncid=NWS00010000000001)

Intelligent Design? Someone misunderestimated the whole process.
Well, it certainly proves that there was a transition as one species type evolved into another...

Granted the similarities are few, but the similarities between the fish and land animals are few as well. They include only the bone structure in it's fins and the structure of it's rib cage, from what I've heard.
Which is why there is a speculation. I don't see you listing similarities between humans and birds still.

Well, it certainly proves that there was a transition as one species type evolved into another...
How does it do that? Wombats and groundhogs look kind of similar and occupy the same environmental niche, but nobody claims one evolved from the other. Since nobody was there to witness a fish turning into a land animal how can you say this isn't just a wombat/groundhog situation?

Which is why there is a speculation. I don't see you listing similarities between humans and birds still.
Both are bipedal and warm blooded. There you go. Two similarities for birds and people for two similarities between the fish fossil and land animals.

What does one odd looking fish prove? Nobody was there to see whether or not it evolved into land animals. All you can say for sure is that it shares similarities with land animals. Humans share some similarity with birds, but that doesn't mean humans were once a flying species.

The odd-looking fish is the smoking gun against the major argument of creationists against Darwin's Theory of Evolution that there is no transitory species between sea and land dwelling creatures.

How does it do that? Wombats and groundhogs look kind of similar and occupy the same environmental niche, but nobody claims one evolved from the other. Since nobody was there to witness a fish turning into a land animal how can you say this isn't just a wombat/groundhog situation?
Well... one is a case of transformation, the other sounds like two similar co-existing species.

Both are bipedal and warm blooded. There you go. Two similarities for birds and people for two similarities between the fish fossil and land animals.
Humans don't lay eggs though.
Although, if they were smart, they would. It would place a huge deal less stress on the womans.

The odd-looking fish is the smoking gun against the major argument of creationists against Darwin's Theory of Evolution that there is no transitory species between sea and land dwelling creatures.
Nobody's given any proof that it's a transitional speices. It just looks like one.

Both are bipedal and warm blooded.
Wow, you just dropped a few.. dozen notches on the respect pole.
Those are entirely irrelevant points.

Well... one is a case of transformation, the other sounds like two similar co-existing species.
How do you know that the one is a case of transformation?

Wow, you just dropped a few.. dozen notches on the respect pole.
Give me a break dude. It's not easy playing devil's advocate for creationism. Reality doesn't give me much to work with.

Humans don't lay eggs though.
Although, if they were smart, they would. It would place a huge deal less stress on the womans.

Human females do have eggs, but they don't develop into hard-shelled self-contained life support units the way they do for other species.

Give me a break dude. It's not easy playing devil's advocate for creationism. Reality doesn't give me much to work with.

I'm surprised people are even taking you seriously.

Give me a break dude. It's not easy playing devil's advocate for creationism. Reality doesn't give me much to work with.
You are playing too much to the "we are smrt creationists." You gotta go for "God made them so they are all related and nothing evolves!"

I'm surprised people are even taking you seriously.
Yeah. You'd think that they would realize by now that nearly 9 times out of 10 that's a bad idea.

I'm surprised people are even taking you seriously.
We're as bored as he is.

Give me a break dude. It's not easy playing devil's advocate for creationism. Reality doesn't give me much to work with.

um...excuse me. we are talking about INTELLIGENT DESIGN here, NOT creationism. They are...like...WAY different because Intelligent Design is like....almost a science thing. So like....yeah. PLZ RESPECT.

Oh wait...the topic says Creationism. And the thread says ID. Hah. I like that no one has raised "the difference" yet.

Bah. Today sucks.

um...excuse me. we are talking about INTELLIGENT DESIGN here, NOT creationism. They are...like...WAY different because Intelligent Design is like....almost a science thing. So like....yeah. PLZ RESPECT.

Oh wait...the topic says Creationism. And the thread says ID. Hah. I like that no one has raised "the difference" yet.

Bah. Today sucks.

In the eyes of legitimate science, there's no relevant difference.

In the eyes of legitimate science, there's no relevant difference.

Oh trust me, I know. I was being silly.

In the eyes of 6th grade science, there still isnt a difference.

They had a major argument to begin with? o.o'

Someone please inform me of this 'argument'; apparently, I have been living under a godless rock.

In the eyes of legitimate science, there's no relevant difference.
In a dark basement, away from the eyes of civilised people there is an organisation that practises Illegitimate scienceDUN DUN DUN!

*cut to a dark scene, a man with normal combed hair wearing a black labcoat arranges his tampered with equipment*



(put shortly, I'm bored too.)

In a dark basement, away from the eyes of civilised people there is an organisation that practises Illegitimate scienceDUN DUN DUN!

*cut to a dark scene, a man with normal combed hair wearing a black labcoat arranges his tampered with equipment*



(put shortly, I'm bored too.)

Necromancy?

Necromancy?
Sure why not.

They had a major argument to begin with? o.o'

Someone please inform me of this 'argument'; apparently, I have been living under a godless rock.

What's the monthly rent on living under a godless rock? And do godly rocks cost more? Does a view come with that, other than the bottom of a rock that is?

What's the monthly rent on living under a godless rock? And do godly rocks cost more? Does a view come with that, other than the bottom of a rock that is?

You can't rent space under godless rocks, that'd be like renting out a mansion. godly rocks are the exact same, but there is a shape that, if you squint one eye and poke yourself in the other with a piece of the True Cross, looks like Jesus might have looked if he was white and had a beard.

You can't rent space under godless rocks, that'd be like renting out a mansion. godly rocks are the exact same, but there is a shape that, if you squint one eye and poke yourself in the other with a piece of the True Cross, looks like Jesus might have looked if he was white and had a beard.

He may not have been white but he must have had a beard!

I like the fish, its cute. and makes creationism look just a little bit more stupid. Its obviously a transitional species, since nothing like that exists now. Creationists might well say it just became extinct rather than evolving, but if that is the case how come theres so many animals with obvious adaptations to their environment? The environment has changed a lot over the planets history, with ice ages and volcanoes etc, but theres still life. It didnt all get extinct. Because it adapted, it changed, it evolved.

Hmmm....whilst no creationists have popped up here, one has here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476316 - and he's trying to make a case against the fish and evolution in general. Perhaps a few people here could wander over and give GnI a hand? I would...but to be honest I don't have a clue about half of what they're talking about; history is my speciality.

You can't rent space under godless rocks, that'd be like renting out a mansion. godly rocks are the exact same, but there is a shape that, if you squint one eye and poke yourself in the other with a piece of the True Cross, looks like Jesus might have looked if he was white and had a beard.

Crap! I was hoping...... Hold on, doesn't the singer formerly known as Prince/weird-ass-sign-thingy and back to Prince again rent a mansion from some basketball player?

Anyone gots a piece of the TC? I must needs to poke mineownself in the eye......