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It seems that even in Sweden, there are some retarded puritans, here in the form of librarians at a school:
http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=3489&date=20060406&PHPSESSID=59c0802045b22982a986578a5c9e8f58
School bans low-hanging pants

Published: 6th April 2006 11:33 CET

In the strange world of teenage fashion, showing off the top of your g-string has become a mark of cool.

But librarians are not known for keeping up with trends, and now the bookworms at a school in southern Sweden are banning pupils from borrowing books if their underwear is showing above their belts.

School pupils in Sweden are usually allowed to choose their own apparel, but the librarians at Tullbro school in Falkenberg, in the south of the country, take a dim view of modern teenage fashion.

Children will be turned away from the library if they show the tops of their underwear, or if they are wearing baseball caps or beanies, local newspaper Hallands Nyheter reports.

The paper wrote that it could not find any further examples of bans in other local schools.
Looks like those retarded librarians spent too much time locked up in their libraries and went insane... http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/images/icons/icon13.gif

I dont see anything wrong with this. If the school has a dress code the school has a dress code. Whats so wrong with enforcing it.

I dont see anything wrong with this. If the school has a dress code the school has a dress code. Whats so wrong with enforcing it.It's not a school, that's what's wrong with enforcing it.

Children will be turned away from the library if they show the tops of their underwear, or if they are wearing baseball caps or beanies, local newspaper Hallands Nyheter reports.
Since when are beanies a fashion?
And since when are baseball caps or beanies "edgey"? That goes beyond Puritanism and in to "just stupid"-ism.

Since when are beanies a fashion?
And since when are baseball caps or beanies "edgey"? That goes beyond Puritanism and in to "just stupid"-ism.Silly Fiddles. Didn't you know beanies promote promiscuity?

It's not a school, that's what's wrong with enforcing it.

Yes it is

but the librarians at Tullbro school in Falkenberg, in the south of the country, take a dim view of modern teenage fashion.

Emphasis added.

Yes it is



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Emphasis added:
School bans low-hanging pants

Published: 6th April 2006 11:33 CET

In the strange world of teenage fashion, showing off the top of your g-string has become a mark of cool.

But librarians are not known for keeping up with trends, and now the bookworms at a school in southern Sweden are banning pupils from borrowing books if their underwear is showing above their belts.

School pupils in Sweden are usually allowed to choose their own apparel, but the librarians at Tullbro school in Falkenberg, in the south of the country, take a dim view of modern teenage fashion.

Children will be turned away from the library if they show the tops of their underwear, or if they are wearing baseball caps or beanies, local newspaper Hallands Nyheter reports.

The paper wrote that it could not find any further examples of bans in other local schools.

Emphasis added:

I'm not quite sure of what your getting at here.

A dress code is being enforced at a school libeary. What is so bad about that?

Its not a public libeary from all accounts, so it doesnt matter.

The paper wrote that it could not find any further examples of bans in other local schools

the librarians at Tullbro school in Falkenberg

the bookworms at a school in southern Sweden

I'm not quite sure of what your getting at here.

A dress code is being enforced at a school libeary. What is so bad about that?

Its not a public libeary from all accounts, so it doesnt matter.It isn't a "school" in the sense you referred to it though.

It isn't a "school" in the sense you referred to it though.

Its a school building, its part of an educational institution. Its a liberay that is used only by the students. If the institution it is a part of seeks to impose a dress code it has the right to.

Gah! I saw the title and had such high hopes! You had me expecting images of hot, virginal swedish librarians and all I got was some crap about a dress code.. You got me all excited for nothing! Shame on you!

Its a school building, its part of an educational institution. Its a liberay that is used only by the students. If the institution it is a part of seeks to impose a dress code it has the right to.I can understand a library imposing dress codes to avoid books getting stolen, but librarians aren't really there to come up with moral dress codes. That's up to the administration.

I can understand a library imposing dress codes to avoid books getting stolen, but librarians aren't really there to come up with moral dress codes. That's up to the administration.

If the adminstration has given the powers and independence to the liberarians that allow it to do this then that is the administrations decision, and thus there is no problem with it. My old 6th form had a dress policy of smart casual. Basicly if it is a work enviroment, you should dress apropriately. Obviously the libearians consider that dress style inapropriate for the libeary, which it is their perogative to do.

That's a stupid idea, you shouldn't turn them away because of how they dress, celebrate the fact they come to a library and do read.

If the adminstration has given the powers and independence to the liberarians that allow it to do this then that is the administrations decision, and thus there is no problem with it. My old 6th form had a dress policy of smart casual. Basicly if it is a work enviroment, you should dress apropriately. Obviously the libearians consider that dress style inapropriate for the libeary, which it is their perogative to do.That's silly. You can't demand different dress codes for different parts of a school. That is something that is up to the administration.

Silly Fiddles. Didn't you know beanies promote promiscuity?
Ok, I guess I must admit that this picture (http://gogirl.cc/store/images/beanies-all.jpg) is making me a wee-bit aroused.

See, this is exactly why I don't wear pants. :p

That's silly. You can't demand different dress codes for different parts of a school. That is something that is up to the administration.

And the administration has given them the powers to do that. Hence the adminstration has made a decision. The liberay functions in a very diffrent way to the rest of the school useally (it certianly did at my 6th form and others I know). You had to leave bags, coats etc in a seperate room, you have to be much quieter etc. Liberarys just are often very diffrent.

And the administration has given them the powers to do that. Hence the adminstration has made a decision. The liberay functions in a very diffrent way to the rest of the school useally (it certianly did at my 6th form and others I know). You had to leave bags, coats etc in a seperate room, you have to be much quieter etc. Liberarys just are often very diffrent.
You're just sayign they're in the right because you're a prude anyways.


I think that the trend of wearing underwear that pokes out of one's jeans is stupid, however, banning kids from the library isn't going to help things. It's something they'll grow out of eventually, let them be.

You're just sayign they're in the right because you're a prude anyways.


I think that the trend of wearing underwear that pokes out of one's jeans is stupid, however, banning kids from the library isn't going to help things. It's something they'll grow out of eventually, let them be.

Whilst I think the law idiotic and outdated, the library, as part of the school, does have the right to demand this, surely? It's basically an extension of their dress code.

That is surprising considering that Sweden is considered one of the most non-puritan countries in Europe. I don't think this sort of thing will become a trend. It would be too difficult to change such an open country.

Last time I checked, and I never did, not many people go the library.

Great way to getting fewer people to the library. Especially with the beanies... I mean, what about winter? It can get quite cold. As for the rest: You can find women walking topless in pubic parks in summer.

Besides that, most people who read poetry or other contempary literature do not dress formally.

Whilst I think the law idiotic and outdated, the library, as part of the school, does have the right to demand this, surely? It's basically an extension of their dress code.
If it's not part of the school's dress code, then it shouldnt' be part of the library's.

If it was part of the school's dress code as well, I don't think this would be an issue.

Last time I checked, and I never did, not many people go the library.
Really? I can never find a seat half the time.

If it was part of the school's dress code as well, I don't think this would be an issue.

well, the issue would be different at least.

Really? I can never find a seat half the time.

I don't even know where the library is... :p

But maybe that will change in Denmark, where they are most definitely Free Free Free :D

well, the issue would be different at least.
True. One could argue that the school's administration was prudish.

However, in this case, it's librarians on a power trip. Since when to highschool librarians get to deceide who goes in the library, as long as they're not being disruptive or have a history of damaging books or something, it would be like if the librarians kept everyone wearing jeans from taking out books.

Last time I checked, and I never did, not many people go the library. Great way to getting fewer people to the library. Especially with the beanies... I mean, what about winter? It can get quite cold.
Indeed. Perhaps they felt disturbed by all the people in the library and wanted to change this?
This just enforces the image of the anti-social librarian who doesn't like people.

As for the rest: You can find women walking topless in pubic parks in summer.
*Pubic* parks? Are they named that way because you can see women walking "bottomless" there as well? :D

However, in this case, it's librarians on a power trip.

a ridiculous, unlikely to last, power trip - if for no other reason than the other school officials on an administrative power trip are unlikely to just let librarians get away with making decisions.

So, now the culture of entitlement is spewing over into the libraries. They feel that because it's a library that they are entitled to make their own rules.

It sounds like the school doesn't have a dress code, so, yeah, what right does a library have to ban students from dressing a certain way?

This has very little to do with puritanism, but with a social climate that is big on informal dress codes, that are sometimes codified.

When I was a kid, beanies and caps, or any sort of head apparel, was banned during class. No matter how much of a knullrufs* you had, head fashion was verboten, or "förbjuden" as we would say.

The same thing with these pants toward the end, I noticed. Teachers had the losers pull them up before they entered the classroom.

It's not puritanism, it's expecting people to respect the school. So, all these losers need to do is pull their pants up for the while they are in such a public place. Looking like a bum is just a faux pas in such places.

*Sw: "knull" = "fuck, "rufs" = "(hair) tousle".

Crap.

I thought this thread would feature pics of Swedish Librarians.

Crap.

I thought this thread would feature pics of Swedish Librarians.

http://www.wbp.olsztyn.pl/placcai/foto/kungs3-s.gif

Enjoy.

Crap.

I thought this thread would feature pics of Swedish Librarians.
Discraceful ain't it?

*agrees with Fass*
It is about respect for the institution.

So Fass, you wouldn't be caught dead in lowrider jeans? How about a thong?

So Fass, you wouldn't be caught dead in lowrider jeans?

No.

How about a thong?

I hate thongs. On other people, too.

I dont see anything wrong with this. If the school has a dress code the school has a dress code. Whats so wrong with enforcing it.

dress codes are for insecure people who are afraid of individuality.

dress codes are for insecure people who are afraid of individuality.

People who fear dress codes are insecure in their own individuality.

My, that strikes me as funny...

Just the thought of someone being turned away from a library for looking ridiculous. From a political standpoint, yes it is a silly restriction. Really, though, someone has to save these kids from their own bad judgement, and if it is a valiant librarian, so be it. The Swedes are supposed to be heralds of good fashion, after all.

I kinda wish they had such a dress code at my caf. I saw someone today whose shorts were halfway down his behind. It was one of the stupidest fashion statements I have ever seen.

P.S.: I agree with Fass' reasons, too, but the simple one of how bad the current style looks should not be ignored.

I kinda wish they had such a dress code at my caf. I saw someone today whose shorts were halfway down his behind.

why do i now have an image of you looking like this?

http://islandpacket.com/ips_rich_content/20060316_NWS_Made_0322jd1_tif-medium.jpg

People who fear dress codes are insecure in their own individuality.

or just hate random bullshit regimentation for regimentation's sake

or just hate random bullshit regimentation for regimentation's sake

It's not random. It's reasoned out and thought out. (And much better so than the self-imposed regimentation that students impose on themselves and each other.)

That you lack the intellect to grasp it is no one's fault but your own.

How can you method of clothing affect who you are? How can your method of clothing affect how you think? How can your method of clothing affect anything?

It cannot.

The only thing that your clothing affects is how you are percieved. If your individuality is so weak that how you are percieved is how you define yourself, then you clearly need a pshrynk.

It's not random. It's reasoned out and thought out.

yeah - the thinking being that regimentation for regimentation's sake is a positive thing. what particular form the regimentation takes isn't as important so long as everybody is following orders. hence the 'random' part of my statement.

it's still bullshit, and damaging to the ideals of a free society.

yeah - the thinking being that regimentation for regimentation's sake is a positive thing. what particular form the regimentation takes isn't as important so long as everybody is following orders. hence the 'random' part of my statement.

it's still bullshit, and damaging to the ideals of a free society.

By not letting people who cannot dress themselves into a library? Oh, get the fuck over yourself.

By not letting people who cannot dress themselves into a library? Oh, get the fuck over yourself.

I fail to see whats wrong with thongs and other such apparels, such as hats. They don't disturb anyone in said library, they cause no harm, and no offence - to anyone who isn't a crusty conservative, anyway. There's nout wrong with them, and they might make libraries a more interesting place.

yeah - the thinking being that regimentation for regimentation's sake is a positive thing. what particular form the regimentation takes isn't as important so long as everybody is following orders. hence the 'random' part of my statement.

it's still bullshit, and damaging to the ideals of a free society.

Because, as we all know, every nation that has uniformed school children is facist. Any form of democracy or 'free speech' is entirely a show. You know. Like Japan. Dirty facists.

i always liked it when the girls would wear short skirts or wear low cut jeans. but when a guy had his pants around his knees i always felt the need to donate a belt to him

if the next trend was to walk into a room shouting at the top of your lounges, should the librarians allow that?

By not letting people who cannot dress themselves into a library? Oh, get the fuck over yourself.

i was talking about school dress codes, actually. though library ones are even more ridiculous and unnecessary.

but when a guy had his pants around his knees i always felt the need to donate a belt to him

he already has one - pants don't stay there by themselves

if the next trend was to walk into a room shouting at the top of your lounges, should the librarians allow that?

That disrupts the library, obviously. Wearing thongs and revealing them slightly does not in any way.

Because, as we all know, every nation that has uniformed school children is facist. Any form of democracy or 'free speech' is entirely a show. You know. Like Japan. Dirty facists.

did i say that uniforms utterly destroy freedom? or did i say they are damaging to it?

tell me this, what organizations that love uniforms and regimentation are exemplars of freedom?

did i say that uniforms utterly destroy freedom? or did i say they are damaging to it?

tell me this, what organizations that love uniforms and regimentation are exemplars of freedom?

That would probably depend on which freedoms you're talking about.

Either way, the classroom is not nessesarily the place for such freedoms.

That would probably depend on which freedoms you're talking about.

Either way, the classroom is not nessesarily the place for such freedoms.
Its not nessiarly the place to deny such freedoms either

Its not nessiarly the place to deny such freedoms either

and even worse, the trade off for denying freedom is no effect on attendence or behavior or academic achievement. there is literally no benefit to them.

I still seem to be stuck in archaic way of thinking that school is a place of learning, enlightenment and opening your mind to new things. Dress-codes and the like, instituted upon pupils, only slow down progress.

I'm contemplating upon this.

and even worse, the trade off for denying freedom is no effect on attendence or behavior or academic achievement. there is literally no benefit to them.
That was going to be my next question :)

I mean with no clear cut benifit why are they messing with freedoms?

That was going to be my next question :)

I mean with no clear cut benifit why are they messing with freedoms?
I bet millions of US citizens are thinking exactly the same thing about the 'Patriot Act'.

I bet millions of US citizens are thinking exactly the same thing about the 'Patriot Act'.
I know I am

Gah! I saw the title and had such high hopes! You had me expecting images of hot, virginal swedish librarians and all I got was some crap about a dress code.. You got me all excited for nothing! Shame on you!

I agree with the above paragraph.

OOOH - so happy I still caught the tail of this one. ( I know - such a lousy excuse to bump )


As far as I'm concerned, not just the librarians, but the whole effing Government ought to slap a super-sized ASBO on any misserable sod wearing Hoodie, Chav, Rap or Hip Hop gear.

This went international? :eek:

Why would this be interesting? Besides, the government has already revoked that rule. They had it for a day or so, then skolverket (the governing body regarding schools and their rules) sent them a little message and it was removed.

This went international? :eek:

Why would this be interesting? Besides, the government has already revoked that rule. They had it for a day or so, then skolverket (the governing body regarding schools and their rules) sent them a little message and it was removed.


It may be a trend, in a sense. ( too bad aout the recall :P )

At least the slightly ueber-police-statish T. Blair and his friends have given the police a lot of leeway in handing out ASBO's for just about any form of acting up you can think about.

Anyway....
*stops flogging dead horse and apologises for reading day-old-newspaper*
I should've used it for fish and chips.

This went international?
Sure did. We talked about it over coffee last night.

Simple solution, retire the dinosaurs and replace them with younger "more in touch with the modern world" librarians.

Yeah, because being a librarian is everyones dream here... Last time I checked, the education for a librarian is so expensive you're lucky if you've earned that much by the time you retire.

That's a stupid idea, you shouldn't turn them away because of how they dress, celebrate the fact they come to a library and do read.
I agree.

I agree.

True, these days. Just you google something instead of spending time looking a for a book that might not be there at all. I'm not the kind to sit down and read whole books in one reading either.

True, these days. Just you google something instead of spending time looking a for a book that might not be there at all. I'm not the kind to sit down and read whole books in one reading either.

Really? I love doing that. I find it so much more rewarding, and easier. Plus I love libraries, but hate the strict rules at times.

Gah! I saw the title and had such high hopes! You had me expecting images of hot, virginal swedish librarians and all I got was some crap about a dress code.. You got me all excited for nothing! Shame on you!

Nobody past the age of 12 in Sweden is a virgin.

Nobody past the age of 12 in Sweden is a virgin.

Evidence?

[Yeah. I'm being blody-minded today]

Evidence?

[Yeah. I'm being blody-minded today]

Personal observation, although the last time I was there was in 1973. I can't imagine that they've suddenly become less promiscuous in the interim.

I love libraries, but hate the strict rules at times.

Such as keeping your big mouth shut? As a librarian, I find that that's the "rule" most people seem to have problems with, especially kids. Well, that and looking up porn on the internet. :p

Personal observation, although the last time I was there was in 1973. I can't imagine that they've suddenly become less promiscuous in the interim.

I...see...

So, how long did it take you to interview everyone in Switzerland over the age of twelve in 1973? And how did you go about interviewing those who have passed into that category in the past 33 years?

I...see...

So, how long did it take you to interview everyone in Switzerland over the age of twelve in 1973? And how did you go about interviewing those who have passed into that category in the past 33 years?

er... textmessaging. Like that 26 year old teacher they just caught...

Such as keeping your big mouth shut? As a librarian, I find that that's the "rule" most people seem to have problems with, especially kids. Well, that and looking up porn on the internet. :p

I was thinking more of draconian rules that state that you cannot even whisper for a few seconds, or that any noise will have you expelled. I can understand most noise being unneccessary - but such draconian rules seem pointless and arbitrary.

Yeah, because being a librarian is everyones dream here... Last time I checked, the education for a librarian is so expensive you're lucky if you've earned that much by the time you retire.

Actually, it's not expensive as long as you live near one of the few schools that offer the Master of Library Services degree.

So, how long did it take you to interview everyone in Switzerland over the age of twelve in 1973?
Switzerland is not Sweden. Just thought I'd call you out on that.

I was thinking more of draconian rules that state that you cannot even whisper for a few seconds, or that any noise will have you expelled. I can understand most noise being unneccessary - but such draconian rules seem pointless and arbitrary.

Haven't been in a library recently, have you? :p Most big city libraries are barely-controlled chaos nowadays.

Switzerland is not Sweden. Just thought I'd call you out on that.

If he went to the library more often, he might have known that. :p

If he went to the library more often, he might have known that. :p

Touche. My point remains that you can't possibly make such a blanket statement.

If he went to the library more often, he might have known that. :p

So you're blaming eBay and Amazon.com? ;) No shortage of the works of Francis there...

Touche. My point remains that you can't possibly make such a blanket statement.

Sure I can! :p

Nobody past the age of 12 in Sweden is a virgin.
You can't judge the whole country just based on Stockholm, you know :rolleyes:

You can't judge the whole country just based on Stockholm, you know :rolleyes:

Oh, look, someone provincial thinks he matters. Gud, så mysigt och näpet, om än dock osexigt.

Oh, look, someone provincial thinks he matters. Gud, så mysigt och näpet, om än dock osexigt.
Hehe, yeah well, we've got other problems. Everyone here is family... Except for the 2-3 new people each year, but they move anyways.

Hehe, yeah well, we've got other problems. Everyone here is family... Except for the 2-3 new people each year, but they move anyways.

I guess you'll just have to console yourself with all that money Stockholm is forced to give you through the regional tax equalization.

That's a stupid idea, you shouldn't turn them away because of how they dress, celebrate the fact they come to a library and do read.

Good call.

But I seriously don't know if kids should be walking around like that, so I face a personal dilemma.