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A former sinn fein member has been shot dead, it emerged last year that he was actually a british spy. he went into hiding as a result and it was hoped that the new atmosphere in ireland post good friday meant that he would not be assasinated.
what are peoples views...
did the ira do it
what effect will this have on the power sharing government (meant to be reformed in an annoucement tomorrow)
general impact on northern ireland peace protest
can anyone see a solution


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4877516.stm

The timing of this is very convenient from the perspective of those who are opposed to the peace process in Northern Ireland. On the information I've heard so far, it's not possible to say who was behind the murder. However, if I had to guess, I'd say we're looking at disgruntled republicans - either within the Provisional IRA or without - who would like nothing less than to derail any attempt to restore devolved government. The dissidents know that this sort of thing 'confirms' unionist fears that the IRA is up to its old tricks.

I don't believe the talks had much prospect of success even before this happened. However, I can already hear the usual excuses from unionists (I'm one myself, but I get fed up with them).

"IRA up to its old tricks"

Which IRA?

"IRA up to its old tricks"

Which IRA?

The largest unionist party don't really draw distinctions between the various brands of IRA, although - of course - there are several.

Seems like it. Though this is not a good thing in the long term.

I think I'll wait for more evidence before I damn the IRA over this. I mean, they're evil and all, but it's a bit of a stretch to instantly blame them for every single murder that happens on this island.

The timing of this is very convenient from the perspective of those who are opposed to the peace process in Northern Ireland. On the information I've heard so far, it's not possible to say who was behind the murder. However, if I had to guess, I'd say we're looking at disgruntled republicans - either within the Provisional IRA or without - who would like nothing less than to derail any attempt to restore devolved government. The dissidents know that this sort of thing 'confirms' unionist fears that the IRA is up to its old tricks.

I don't believe the talks had much prospect of success even before this happened. However, I can already hear the usual excuses from unionists (I'm one myself, but I get fed up with them).

i think youre right. with sinn fein attempting to distance itself from the IRA and the IRA itself seemingly making advances towards disarmanent it can appear on the surface it seems that NI is making positive steps towards a peaceful agreement. The negative effect (as this incident shows) that the more radical people and groups in NI will feel marginalised and attempt to take action into their own hands, outside normal power structures.

it just shows that although the NI situation isnt fashionable anymore(due to war on terror) the problem is not going away .........

Northern Ireland is the white Africa.

Nobody cares whats going on there, except for those living there.

Northern Ireland is the white Africa.

Nobody cares whats going on there, except for those living there.


i suppose that is partly true. though it was intresting the IRA used to recieve funding from irish american who saw the group as freedom fighters and not terrorist. not to mention sinn fein who were invited to the white house on a number of occasion .... how situations change when events affect you (see something more current comes along even i get distracted)

I doubt this was the work of the Provos - at least, I doubt it was sanctioned by that organisation. I don't trust them by any means, but I think they have too much invested in the peace process at this point. It's possible it was a member of members of the PIRA acting independently.

What effect will it have on the forthcoming talks? As has been already argued, I don't believe those talks were especially likely to suceed anyway. I don't see any solutions in the short-term when the two biggest parties are diametrically opposed to each other; certainly, there have been a few attempts to solve the gridlock since the last Assembly elections, but what good did they do? Both parties do good work through their MPs/MLAs for their constituents, but when it comes to macro-level agreements and decisions, where co-operation (especially under the d'hondt system, which the Assembly employs) is key, there seems to be nothing but stalemate to look forward to.

The best I am hoping for at present is the maintenance of the current pseudo-peaceful status-quo, but Donaldson's murder is likely to increase tensions.

I-I-IRA...I-I-IRA...
I just saw a movie about the IRA yesterday. It was pretty cool.

Update:
Irish police had warned an ex-British agent that his life could be in danger, Prime Minister Bertie Ahern has said.

He said police became aware of Denis Donaldson's whereabouts in January, but he did not request any protection.

The IRA has denied involvement in the murder of the ex-Sinn Fein man, who was found shot dead following a break-in at a house in County Donegal on Tuesday.

Irish police, who have appealed for information, said he died from a number of shotgun blasts to the body......

He had been shot in the head and arm.....
....the victim's right hand was "practically severed at the wrist".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4879022.stm

I just saw a movie about the IRA yesterday. It was pretty cool

What? What movie? What movie makes them look 'cool'? :confused:

It may well be someone who felt betrayed by Donaldson, but I would not rule out it being done by someone other than those who would fit into this category.

British Security Forces to make the IRA look like ceasefire breakers and make them decommision more weapons....perhaps contracted out to the Unionist paramilitaries?

Before you dismiss it, think about what is to be gained and lost from this.

Some reports say he was tortured, perhaps coming from the report his right arm was severed, although according to the journalist who last interviewed him, (Whom it should be added, printed photos in a paper and more or less said where he was) his right arm was blown off as he tried to protect himself from the assailant who reports say used a shotgun, and that it was the force of the blast that blew off the good part of his arm, and then a second blast from the shotgun 'blew his face off' making it, according to the journalist, "a closed coffin funeral".

It may well be someone who felt betrayed by Donaldson, but I would not rule out it being done by someone other than those who would fit into this category.

British Security Forces to make the IRA look like ceasefire breakers and make them decommision more weapons....perhaps contracted out to the Unionist paramilitaries?

Before you dismiss it, think about what is to be gained and lost from this.

Some reports say he was tortured, perhaps coming from the report his right arm was severed, although according to the journalist who last interviewed him, (Whom it should be added, printed photos in a paper and more or less said where he was) his right arm was blown off as he tried to protect himself from the assailant who reports say used a shotgun, and that it was the force of the blast that blew off the good part of his arm, and then a second blast from the shotgun 'blew his face off' making it, according to the journalist, "a closed coffin funeral".

CNN said tortured.
BBC said the arm nearly was severed probably due to shotgun blast.

Nice subtle attempt by CNN to paint a completely different picture I might add.

The whole collusion thing, is so 1980.

CNN said tortured.
BBC said the arm nearly was severed probably due to shotgun blast.

Nice subtle attempt by CNN to paint a completely different picture I might add.

I would approach any news organisation's view of events with caution. Each channel had it's own theory. One said he was shot in the arm and face, another said he was tortured, another said his hand was cut off, and another said he was 'ritually mutilated'


The whole collusion thing, is so 1980.

Tell that to Denis Donaldson. If he was not dead probably because of it.

Tell that to Denis Donaldson. If he was not dead probably because of it.

Any evidence to back that claim up?

Any evidence to back that claim up?

British Agent in high position in Sinn Fein.....that could be seen as collusion, no?

The IRA has every right to terrorize the imperialistic British! They try and force that terrible Anglicanism on the poor Catholic peasants of a simple country! The British must give up their heretical ways, lest they burn!

Though this is not a good thing in the long term.

If anything I would be inclined to view it as something which will makes things less complicated in the long term. Human tragedy, and all that, but...

Well, let's face it, it was hardly a surprise was it?

I still want to know why the PPS dropped the 'Stormontgate' case...I think we have a right to know what Donaldson did to our elected democratic government to bring it down.

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You know what? We're starting to seem like three cursed witches* who are destined to always show our faces when the subject of NI comes up.


* or possibly 'wretches'.

British Agent in high position in Sinn Fein.....that could be seen as collusion, no?
For 20 years he was so he started in the 1980s.:D


The fact that it was a shotgun means it could have been anyone who just stole one and used it. I'd say it was just a disgruntled republican.


Originally Posted by Von Witzleben
I just saw a movie about the IRA yesterday. It was pretty cool
What? What movie? What movie makes them look 'cool'? :confused:
I assume and hope he meant the movie was cool not that it makes the IRA look cool.

You know what? We're starting to seem like three cursed witches* who are destined to always show our faces when the subject of NI comes up.


* or possibly 'wretches'.
I prefer wretches.

You know what? We're starting to seem like three cursed witches* who are destined to always show our faces when the subject of NI comes up.


* or possibly 'wretches'.

*feels left out*

sniff :(

...You know what? We're starting to seem like three cursed witches* who are destined to always show our faces when the subject of NI comes up.

* or possibly 'wretches'.I prefer wretches.Either's good for me...

British Security Forces to make the IRA look like ceasefire breakers and make them decommision more weapons....perhaps contracted out to the Unionist paramilitaries?I must admit that this was actually my first reaction; Donaldson, having been on the inside, was bound to know a lot about the operation of British intelligence and whatnot. However, having considered it, it would not be in their best interests. Aside from stirring up political shit, they couldn't casually consult him about republican tactics. Not that I am assuming they did since he was officially a spy, but I would imagine it would be handy to have someone like that just in case.

I still want to know why the PPS dropped the 'Stormontgate' case...I think we have a right to know what Donaldson did to our elected democratic government to bring it down.So do I; I still can't entirely fathom the idea that it wasn't in the public interest to proceed. Clearly it was. I actually had the pleasure of meeting the Director (of Public Prosecutions) recently, but of course he refused to tell us anymore about the whole affair that had already been proffered to the media.

I still want to know why the PPS dropped the 'Stormontgate' case...I think we have a right to know what Donaldson did to our elected democratic government to bring it down.

I agree that we have a right to know. Somebody somewhere, however, does not think it politically expedient that we should find out.

I must admit that this was actually my first reaction; Donaldson, having been on the inside, was bound to know a lot about the operation of British intelligence and whatnot. However, having considered it, it would not be in their best interests. Aside from stirring up political shit, they couldn't casually consult him about republican tactics. Not that I am assuming they did since he was officially a spy, but I would imagine it would be handy to have someone like that just in case.

I think the fact that it happened across the border probably rules out British Intelligence: if something had gone wrong and they had been caught out then we would have seen an Anglo-Irish shitstorm of incomprehensible scale. There is too much at hand for them to take that kind of risk.

For 20 years he was so he started in the 1980s.:D

...and carried on through the 1990's and 2000's right up to the moment he was outed, so not all that 80's after all. ;)


The fact that it was a shotgun means it could have been anyone who just stole one and used it. I'd say it was just a disgruntled republican.

Indeed, anyone could have got hold of a shotgun. A disgruntled republican, perhaps, or perhaps someone else.

I must admit that this was actually my first reaction; Donaldson, having been on the inside, was bound to know a lot about the operation of British intelligence and whatnot. However, having considered it, it would not be in their best interests. Aside from stirring up political shit, they couldn't casually consult him about republican tactics. Not that I am assuming they did since he was officially a spy, but I would imagine it would be handy to have someone like that just in case.


The problem that may well have presented itself for the British Security Services or indeed the British Government as a whole is that Donaldson, in his years as a spy, may well have come to know too much 'for his own good', known of other spies, operations etc.

His murder, as well as silencing him, would be carried out so as to frame the IRA, put pressure on Sinn Fein, and put the DUP under no obligation to change it's stance of not wanting to share power with Sinn Fein.

This deadlock, which would leave British direct control over N Ireland for a while longer yet would suit the British Security Services fine.

As to Donaldson bringing down Stormont, if he did, he was following orders.

His murderers could have been contracted, and may well not have been connected politically to the situation.

Of course, this may very well not have happened, and it may indeed be someone who felt betrayed by Donaldson.

I'm just saying that the British may well have had a motive as much as those who felt betrayed.

Usually victims are taken to a second "clean" location and killed, then the body is stripped and dumped at a third, all with the aim of minimising forensic evidence. The other alternative would be an "ambush", and as there was no running water in the house, and this having been reported in the bloody newspapers, it doesnt take a terrorist organisation with 30 years experience to work out that sooner or later he has to go out the door. In short, it doesnt really have the smell of the RA about it.

What? What movie? What movie makes them look 'cool'? :confused:
IRA.
Thats the title of the movie.

IRA.
Thats the title of the movie.
Never heard of it, sorry. :confused:

Never heard of it, sorry. :confused:
Ah wait. That wasn't the full title.
The full title was IRA: King of nothing.

Ah wait. That wasn't the full title.
The full title was IRA: King of nothing.

Unsurprisingly, it has never been released either North or south. That and the description of it sounds.... well, crap really. :D

Unsurprisingly, it has never been released either North or south. That and the description of it sounds.... well, crap really. :D
It was actually not that bad. Not as good as I hoped though. It basicly showed how the IRA leaders sold out their cause for a comfy office job. Willing to sell out their loyal soldiers. It was very American.

Donegal Catch have just introduced their "Plate of the Day" range. Today's special is "Cottage Spy"

This deadlock, which would leave British direct control over N Ireland for a while longer yet would suit the British Security Services fine.Hmm, I'm not so sure; I actually think it would actually suit the British government very well if they could get rid of us. They see us as an economic drain, and I think that there is some truth in that belief.

I'm just saying that the British may well have had a motive as much as those who felt betrayed.I certainly agree that they had a motive, but the specifics of carrying out the murder may have been more difficult for them than it was for dissident republicans (as BWO pointed out above). Having said that, I still wouldn't rule it out; clearly Donaldson was a problem for a lot of people, and any of them may have been responsible.

I know it's only been two days since the murder, but I have my doubts about the Gardai actually having a successful result on this one. I can't remember the actual figures off the top of my head, but if there isn't a clear suspect within a very short timeframe (48 hours maybe?) after the discovery of a crime, the likelihood of solving it decreases dramatically. Furthermore, political murders/acts of terrorism in or relating to Northern Ireland aren't often solved. I would hazard a guess that in a lot of cases, the police are pretty sure who's responsible, but simply don't have proof.

On a brighter note, I see (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4881530.stm) that Ahern and Blair have set a deadline of 15 May for the recall of the Assembly, and have threatened the MLAs with a cessation of their salaries if they don't get an Executive up and running within 18 weeks of that point . Quite a liberal timeframe, you might think, but of course this is NI. If stopping their salaries doesn't make them get their act together, not much will.

Donegal Catch have just introduced their "Plate of the Day" range. Today's special is "Cottage Spy":D

'"Survivor of the Year' until his death minutes before ceremony

Wednesday April 5th 2006


DENIS Donaldson was to have been named 'Survivor of the Year' at the Magill magazine Politician of the Year Awards 2006 in Dublin last night, writes Frank Khan.

But because of events in Co Donegal, the category was hastily withdrawn at the ceremony in Buswell's Hotel, which is situated opposite Leinster House.

Donaldson's name had topped the list "for just being alive" in the section which also included Transport Minister Martin Cullen and junior government ministers Mary Wallace and Sile de Valera.

Announcing the last-minute change, editor Eamon Delaney told over 100 people at the function that Magill was withdrawing the section "because one of the nominees has been killed since the judging panel met".

Mr Delaney said later: "It is just a bizarre situation. We heard the news about an hour before the ceremony."

The Magill awards list will be published next week.

Among those who heard the news of the axing of the category was the British Ambassador Stuart Eldon and the US Ambassador James Kenny as well as Justice Minister Michael McDowell.

It is believed it had been the intention of the magazine to forward Donaldson's award - a Cross pen - to his Co Donegal home this week. "

© Irish Independent
http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/ & http://www.unison.ie/

It wasn't us.....I mean.....em......*flees*

'"Survivor of the Year' until his death minutes before ceremony
-schnippity-
The murderer is obviously the one who is now going to win the reward http://forums.e-mpire.com/images/smilies/shifty.gif

Donaldson's name had topped the list "for just being alive" in the section which also included Transport Minister Martin Cullen and junior government ministers Mary Wallace and Sile de Valera.


Hah. Irony.

I would have still picked Cullen. How the hell is he still a minister?

On a brighter note, I see (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4881530.stm) that Ahern and Blair have set a deadline of 15 May for the recall of the Assembly, and have threatened the MLAs with a cessation of their salaries if they don't get an Executive up and running within 18 weeks of that point . Quite a liberal timeframe, you might think, but of course this is NI. If stopping their salaries doesn't make them get their act together, not much will.

:D

I'm very pleased with Mr Blair and Mr Ahern for a change. This might give the useless tossers (i.e. the NI politicians) a good kick up the arse.

The threat "work together or we'll go to some form of joint authority" has been in the wings for quite a while now. I'm surprised it's taken this long for the governments to wheel it out. The DUP can bluster all they like about it, but the reality is that there was damn all people could do to stop the Anglo-Irish Agreement in 1985, and there'll be damn all they can do if the two governments decide they are going to do the joint authority thing. So the politicians (particularly the unionists) face a stark choice. Interesting to see what happens now.

I doubt the IRA did it. Maybe disgruntled members or maybe some Unionists to make it look like the IRA did in order to start trouble up again, because besides the murder.... because mind you today Blair and Ahern unveiled their plan to restart the executive.

Ian Paisley made his usual bigoted remarks stating

The DUP will not be forced, rushed or bullied into accepting any level of IRA criminality.

Currently there is no evidence that Sinn Fein/IRA will be any further advanced in giving up criminality in November.

Maybe he had this done... I mean, Paisley has been proven to have ties to Loyalist paramiltaries... but you never know... especially someone with a fundementalist mindset.

Here's some stories from the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/4881530.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4884338.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/4877944.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/4869442.stm

Maybe he had this done... I mean, Paisley has been proven to have ties to Loyalist paramiltaries... but you never know... especially someone with a fundementalist mindset.I agree with you that Paisley is a nutjob. He never quits whinging, and his Church is...er...not my cup of tea, let's say. Nonetheless, I can't possibly fathom that he could be behind Donaldon's death. At a practical level, it's a hell of a lot of trouble to go to in order to derail a process that could be derailed by the man's own procrastination. Similarly, it's a lot of trouble to go to to make the republican movement look like the bad guys, when Paisley appears to firmly believe that they have already done this to themselves.

Although I don't think he's as intelligent as he would like us to believe - his honoury doctorate was bestowed upon him by a Christian fundamentalist university in the US, no less! - I don't believe that he's stupid either. If it were ever uncovered that he had the slightest thing to do with this, it would not only be the end for him, but probably the DUP and the Free Presbyterian Church as well. It would be one of the biggest blows to unionism ever known, and with Paisley believing so fervently in that cause, I can't see him putting it in jeopardy.

Still, who knows? Much as I can't believe that he could have had anything to do with Donaldson's murder, little in Northern Ireland 'politics' surprises me anymore.

Bob Jones university - still unaccredited, anti-catholic, not too hot on "mixing of the races"....you can see why he felt drawn.

Bob Jones university - still unaccredited, anti-catholic, not too hot on "mixing of the races"....you can see why he felt drawn.I was just reading its Wikipedia entry, and see that students have to wear conservative clothes, have conservative hairstyles, it has curfews, you're not allowed DVD players in your halls, especially not to watch anything above a 'G' rating...bloody hell. It sounds more like a Catholic boarding school in the 1960s than a university (despite its Protestant nature)!

Maybe Big Ian should do everyone a favour, and move there to be a lecturer (for whatever few years he has left). They're obviously crying out for fanatics like him, and we in NI are crying out for him to fuck off*.

* I'll qualify that somewhat. In fairness to the DUP overall, they do a lot of work in their constituencies for both communities - shockingly, that includes Paisley; some members of my family live in North Antrim, and have seen his efforts first hand. As a frontman for the party, though, he is so tragic it's almost amusing at times. I'm sure we'd still hear a lot of macro-level sectarian bile from the party were Paisley out of the picture, but I think it would be an improvement.

I was just reading its Wikipedia entry, and see that students have to wear conservative clothes, have conservative hairstyles, it has curfews, you're not allowed DVD players in your halls, especially not to watch anything above a 'G' rating...bloody hell. It sounds more like a Catholic boarding school in the 1960s than a university (despite its Protestant nature)!

Maybe Big Ian should do everyone a favour, and move there to be a lecturer (for whatever few years he has left). They're obviously crying out for fanatics like him, and we in NI are crying out for him to fuck off*.

* I'll qualify that somewhat. In fairness to the DUP overall, they do a lot of work in their constituencies for both communities - shockingly, that includes Paisley; some members of my family live in North Antrim, and have seen his efforts first hand. As a frontman for the party, though, he is so tragic it's almost amusing at times. I'm sure we'd still hear a lot of macro-level sectarian bile from the party were Paisley out of the picture, but I think it would be an improvement.
Patrick Henry college sounds like a lot of fun as well.

Yeah.. I've know bout BJU for the past couple months.

Most likely the worst First World "university" to go to besides a "diploma mill."

Anyways, Donaldson's family believes the IRA wasn't behind it?

RIRA?
CIRA?
Loyalists wanting to stir up trouble?
Republicans wanting to stir up trouble?

Yeah.. I've know bout BJU for the past couple months.

Most likely the worst First World "university" to go to besides a "diploma mill."

Anyways, Donaldson's family believes the IRA wasn't behind it?

RIRA?
CIRA?
Loyalists wanting to stir up trouble?
Republicans wanting to stir up trouble?

They said they didn't want to point fingers, but that it was a direct result of the activities of Special Brance and British intelligence services.

No shit. Donaldson was part of the intelligence services, and his actions led to him being killed by persons unknown.

But they didn't want to apportion blame, of course.

Let's face it, he wasn't going to live long. If one group didn't get him, another would etc.

can anyone see a solution
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4877516.stm

England leaves NI and Ireland is united?

England leaves NI and Ireland is united?

That would make us southerners oppressors. And I don't like that one bit.

That would make us southerns oppressors. And I don't like that one bit.
Neither would I.

It would remove the high horse we require for yank-bashing, certainly....although Bertie and co have their arses in the air and trousers round their ankles when the US embassy ring...the latest is Apaches for Israel via Shannon...we might as well rename the kip "US stopover 1"

It would remove the high horse we require for yank-bashing, certainly....although Bertie and co have their arses in the air and trousers round their ankles when the US embassy ring...the latest is Apaches for Israel via Shannon...we might as well rename the kip "US stopover 1"

Well, considering that Howard Marks smuggled millions of dollars worth of drugs through Shannon to the US, this can possibly considered payback.

It would remove the high horse we require for yank-bashing, certainly....although Bertie and co have their arses in the air and trousers round their ankles when the US embassy ring...the latest is Apaches for Israel via Shannon...we might as well rename the kip "US stopover 1"
Why not make some money from our ally? Err I mean that country that we are completely neutral towards.

Its not an "ally" relationahip. More like arse and toilet paper. And no, we arent the arse.

Its not an "ally" relationahip. More like arse and toilet paper. And no, we arent the arse.

I don't see why. Ireland gets all sorts of benefits from it's close relationship with America even though we regularly steal jobs and tax money away from them and don't give them even one of our soldiers to fight with in Iraq. In exchange, a bunch of military goons and equipment that would get to where it's going anyway comes through Shannon and America pays through the nose for it. Sounds like a good deal.

I don't see why. Ireland gets all sorts of benefits from it's close relationship with America even though we regularly steal jobs and tax money away from them and don't give them even one of our soldiers to fight with in Iraq. In exchange, a bunch of military goons and equipment that would get to where it's going anyway comes through Shannon and America pays through the nose for it. Sounds like a good deal.
I completely agree.



It's not being neutral and that's the only thing I see wrong with it.

I think I'll wait for more evidence before I damn the IRA over this. I mean, they're evil and all, but it's a bit of a stretch to instantly blame them for every single murder that happens on this island.
I'm not saying that it was them for certain, but the identity of the victim and its timing point strongly to a political motive.

Just another IRA act of treachery.

Just another IRA act of treachery.

If it was them. Which hasn't yet been shown.

England leaves NI and Ireland is united?
What a well-informed and original solution to the problem. :rolleyes:

I would like to see this island united, but unfortunately it wouldn't go down well with the majority of inhabitants of NI.

Slightly off topic- slightly on topic....

I found this to be plain weird...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/4892022.stm

IRA bomb victims to sue Gaddafi
IRA victims are to sue the Libyan government and its leader Colonel Gaddafi over claims the country supplied explosives for bomb attacks.
A class action is to be filed in US courts along with lawsuits from American victims of IRA bombings.

London-based lawyer Jason McCue, of H2O Law, said the case would take into account 10 IRA bombings.

These include the Enniskillen bomb which killed 11 people in 1987, the Harrods bomb of 1983 which claimed the lives of six people and the Manchester bomb of 1996 in which no-one was killed.

Mr McCue said the lawsuits were based on any attack where Semtex allegedly supplied by Libya was used for a bomb or to boost a fertiliser bomb.

Slightly off topic- slightly on topic....

I found this to be plain weird...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/4892022.stm

Do they expect him to pay?

Also man, it's half three in the morning. What keeps you up this late?

Do they expect him to pay?
He probably has bigger problems! :p


Also man, it's half three in the morning. What keeps you up this late?

I could ask the same of you ;)

But, yeah... I don't know. Cases of insomnia get me around this time of year- either exams, studying or finishing papers/thesis.

I could ask the same of you ;)

I'd normally be at work right now. It's hard to change sleeping paterns in two days, you know.


But, yeah... I don't know. Cases of insomnia get me around this time of year- either exams, studying or finishing papers/thesis.

I like the mood of inspiration created by last minute panic. I'm at my best then. Until I got used to it and stop panicking, anyway. Good times.

I'd normally be at work right now. It's hard to change sleeping paterns in two days, you know.


Bar? Been there, done that... :rolleyes:


I like the mood of inspiration created by last minute panic. I'm at my best then. Until I got used to it and stop panicking, anyway. Good times.

I'm at Step 4; "Resignation".
One shy of step 5; "Fuck 'em- they'll get what they get and they'll like it"

*sigh* Later.

Do they expect him to pay?

Also man, it's half three in the morning. What keeps you up this late?

He ponied up for lockerbie. ($10 mil. per family). And that case was filed in the SDNY, so I suppose they figure they have a shot.

I suspect it will be dismissed.