NationStates Jolt Archive

Just thinking this through and I'm sure everyone has a peeve with different political groups so here's my little list (this is not an attack on the ideologies, just the followers of them)-

Anarchists: Claim everything they do is a blow against the state. Shoplifting, squatting, vandalism, throwing a rock at a McDonalds window. Get over it, they're all fun things to do. But they're hardly gonna bring down capitalism.

Libertarians: Calling capitalist politicians 'socialists'. I've seen a magazine article where somebody tried to make a case for George W Bush being a leftie.

Trotskyists (included to show that I'm not just having a go at the rest of NS): Whine as much about other left wing groups as the capitalist governments. Gets annoying after a time

Reformists: Too often willing to support liberal capitalists, ignoring the fact that they will still implement attacks against the working class.

Democratic socialists: Seem confused over what capitalism and socialism really are, as shown when they call certain European countries 'socialist'. Unable to stop supporting shit parties that sold out.

Conservatives: Call liberals communists. Call communists liberals. Base entirely too arguments on the assumption that God exists. Are very angry and patronising towards young people.

The fact that they are followers of ideologies that I do not agree with!

I do notice though that you do not include communists on your list. Why could that be? ;)

The fact that they are followers of ideologies that I do not agree with!

I do notice though that you do not include communists on your list. Why could that be? ;)

*Cough*

Trotskyists (included to show that I'm not just having a go at the rest of NS): Whine as much about other left wing groups as the capitalist governments. Gets annoying after a time

I have the general problem that people duly subscribed to ideologies are unable to accept that they might be wrong. (Yes, I am prone to this too, though I try to avoid it)

JAnarchists: Claim everything they do is a blow against the state. Shoplifting, squatting, vandalism, throwing a rock at a McDonalds window. Get over it, they're all fun things to do. But they're hardly gonna bring down capitalism.

I'm an Anarchist and I hate [these] Anarchists.

But remember: whenever you download something illegally, you're downloading communism. *raises fist*

EVERYBODY ANNOYS ME!

:p


Only joking....I love people who think dumb shit!

Sorry Dhomme, I simply do not think that all communists are Trotskyists. I recognize that you were auto-critical, but where is the evidence of what you are criticising yourself for if you do not 'whine' about the communists in general?

(The circle is one level deeper than you supposed I was saying.)

Sorry Dhomme, I simply do not think that all communists are Trotskyists. I recognize that you were auto-critical, but where is the evidence of what you are criticising yourself for if you do not 'whine' about the communists in general?

(The circle is one level deeper than you supposed I was saying.)

I am a trotskyist though....

Wait...people actually beleive in those ideology thingies? :eek:

Sorry Dhomme, I simply do not think that all communists are Trotskyists. I recognize that you were auto-critical, but where is the evidence of what you are criticising yourself for if you do not 'whine' about the communists in general?

He mentioned Anarchists, many of whom are also communists.

Without exception, ideologues irritate the crap outta me! Do the terms hidebound, pig-headed, unrealistic and knee-jerk mean anything to you? :D

Without exception, ideologues irritate the crap outta me! Do the terms hidebound, pig-headed, unrealistic and knee-jerk mean anything to you? :D

Smells like centrism.

It angers me that a lot of socialists turn a blind eye towards Chavez's steadily growing stranglehold on Venezuelan politics simply because he is a socialist.

Left-wingers: Think everyone more right than socialism is a fascist.
Right-wingers: Think everyone left of conservative is commie.
Libertarians: think everyone is restricting their freedom
Anarchsts: just a bunch of hippy wazzocks, there will always be someone there to take control!

Smells like centrism.
Smells like teen spirit. :p

It angers me that a lot of socialists turn a blind eye towards Chavez's steadily growing stranglehold on Venezuelan politics simply because he is a socialist...or because he refuses to be America's lap dog...

Left-wingers: Think everyone more right than socialism is a fascist.
Right-wingers: Think everyone left of conservative is commie.
Libertarians: think everyone is restricting their freedom
Anarchsts: just a bunch of hippy wazzocks, there will always be someone there to take control!
By *insert diety of choice*, I think he's got it!!

I agree largely with Blu-Tac. yep

Reformists: Too often willing to support liberal capitalists, ignoring the fact that they will still implement attacks against the working class.

*shiftyeyes*

*shiftyeyes*

I eat Pure Metal for breakfast.

..or because he refuses to be America's lap dog...

You are correct that doesn't justify his abuses either.

EDIT: If Bush pulled this stunt (http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/07/08/venezu11299.htm), all of the socialists in here would rightly blow a gasket.

Without exception, ideologues irritate the crap outta me! Do the terms hidebound, pig-headed, unrealistic and knee-jerk mean anything to you? :D

Yeah, the people who accepted slavery said the same thing.

Moderation is stagnation.

Yeah, the people who accepted slavery said the same thing.

Moderation is stagnation.


I think you are confusing stagnation with... contentness.

Most of us grownups think the world ain't half-bad, and are getting definitely annoyed with obscure croakers who lack the ability to shaddap, and sit at home enjoying the weather, our kids, and some tea and scones.


There is evil
Ever around
Fundamental system of Government
Quite incidental

So go if you're able
To somewhere unstable
and stay there!

Whip up your hate
In some tottering State
But not here, dear!
Is that clear, dear?

I eat Pure Metal for breakfast.

Stop giving me quotes for my sig!

I eat Pure Metal for breakfast.
yeah well..... at least i... taste.... nasty. or something.


ha! smoooooth...

What annoys you about followers of different ideologies?

Paleo-Conservatives often smell of single-malt whiskey and adult diapers. I find this annoying.

yeah well..... at least i... taste.... nasty. or something.


Nothing that a liberal smothering of mustard won't fix.

Nothing that a liberal smothering of mustard won't fix.
don't be stingy with that sauce, now. a conservative dollop just wouldn't be enough...

don't be stingy with that sauce, now. a conservative dollop just wouldn't be enough...
and a fascist junta just isn't... ah forget it.

I was thinking about at the exact second I opened the NS forum. My biggest annoyance? Fundamentalists. Specifically atheist fundamentalists.

Every single one of them acts like you only have 3 brain cells if you believe in any god. I'm not Christian, and not sure if I do believe in god, but the assumption that you must be completely retarded to think differently than yourself grates on me.


Communists: Often claim no society so far has truly been communist, then claim the world would be perfect if it was.

Liberals: Repeated claiming 'Bush lied'. If I say my car is in the parking lot, and actually someone stole it, does that mean I lied about where my car is?

Republicans: Have apparently turned into the party that wants a theocracy

And, not to sound like my first point:

Anyone who believes in astrology is a retard. Many other 'alternative' medicines/ideas/etc. could also be lumped in this category No, we did not fake the moon landing. No, Elvis is really dead. No, shooting squid lice up your butt will not cure herpes.

Paleo-Conservatives often smell of single-malt whiskey and adult diapers. I find this annoying.
That's ok. I'm sure most of them find you insipid, so it all evens out in the end. :D

it annoys me that people think that if you aren't line in with their ideology that you have been "brainwashed by the other side"

That's ok. I'm sure most of them find you insipid, so it all evens out in the end. :D

"Insipid" is my signature cologne. It is available at all Bombergers and Walgreens.

Conservatives: Call liberals communists. Call communists liberals. Base entirely too arguments on the assumption that God exists. Are very angry and patronising towards young people.

What about the fact that I'm young and conservative?

Sorry, I just had to be a little annoying today.

I'm not touching this thread with a ten foot pole.

Ideolyless people always claim thatpeople that do follow an ideology are utter morons.

What about the fact that I'm young and conservative?

Sorry, I just had to be a little annoying today.

Try disagreeing with an older conservative about an issue. See how long it takes until the old "well, son. Once you've been around as long as I have you'll see things differently (ie. that Im right)"

Ideolyless people always claim thatpeople that do follow an ideology are utter morons.

Agreed agreed agreed.

Conservatives -- Subscribe to millenia-old myths that have been pretty thoroughly refuted. Think Michael Moore is a socialist and blind themselves to the incredibly obvious flaws of Bush. Use rhetoric about small government but call for government regulation on almost anything outside economics.

Liberals -- Afraid to go all the way and reject capitalism instead of merely regulating it and making some cosmetic changes, weakening resistance to the status quo as a result. Claim to be for freedom yet try to eat into our ability to defend ourselves against the government via weaponry.

Libertarians -- Think anything other than unregulated capitalism is socialism. No sense of reality. Frequently exalt crank pseudo-philosopher Ayn Rand to an absurd degree.

Anarchists (just to show I'm not biased) -- Think punk "music" is artistic brilliance. Annoyingly utilitarian and prone to destroying old values without creating new ones (I don't agree with Nietzsche on most things, but some of his criticisms of anarchism aren't too far off the mark). Way too sympathetic to Islam.

Marxists -- Too likely to kill me after their revolution, I fear. Have met with consistant and horrific failures again and again but remain unwilling to give up the offending elements, anyway.

Marxists -- Too likely to kill me after their revolution, I fear.

If you promise not to fight against it, I promise not to kill you.

The fact that they are all ideologues. None of them have thought anything through. Most of them seem to think that bumper sticker platitudes are a good substitute for information and reason.

The fact that they are all ideologues. None of them have thought anything through. Most of them seem to think that bumper sticker platitudes are a good substitute for information and reason.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10692388&postcount=36

Conservatives: Believe that tradition is justification for accepting anything. Moreso, they feel the need to enforce that tradition upon others.

(Both libertarian and authoritarian) Communists: 1) Claim to be "liberating" people from economic slavery, but are, in fact, delivering them into economic slavery. 2) Honestly still believe that no matter how many ways Communism has been shown to not work, their brand of communism will work.

Libertarians: Missleadingly claim to support "economic freedom" while, in fact, promoting the slavery of the many to the few (funny how this looks just like communism). Also subscribe to an obnoxious code of Nietzchian superman worship.

(moderate) Liberals: Spineless, hypocritical, identical to everything they despise, and generally unable to actually do anyway.

Centrists: Don't actually believe in anything. Vary between spineless, apathetic, and overly contented. Almost never actually care about anyone elses interests, as long as they can keep their nice little balance. Often not unlike conservatives, at heart.

Stalin (and post-Stalin) ists: Totalitarian, violent, murderous cretins of the lowest quality.

Anarchists (just to show I'm not biased) -- Think punk "music" is artistic brilliance.

Snob :rolleyes: . You don't have to like it, but it's as musical as anything Haydn (Arbitrarily chosen composer, who happens to fit my argument well) ever wrote. And unlike Haydn's work, much of punk is actually art, and not just artisanry.

Just thinking this through and I'm sure everyone has a peeve with different political groups so here's my little list (this is not an attack on the ideologies, just the followers of them)-

Anarchists: Claim everything they do is a blow against the state. Shoplifting, squatting, vandalism, throwing a rock at a McDonalds window. Get over it, they're all fun things to do. But they're hardly gonna bring down capitalism.

Libertarians: Calling capitalist politicians 'socialists'. I've seen a magazine article where somebody tried to make a case for George W Bush being a leftie.

Trotskyists (included to show that I'm not just having a go at the rest of NS): Whine as much about other left wing groups as the capitalist governments. Gets annoying after a time

Reformists: Too often willing to support liberal capitalists, ignoring the fact that they will still implement attacks against the working class.

Democratic socialists: Seem confused over what capitalism and socialism really are, as shown when they call certain European countries 'socialist'. Unable to stop supporting shit parties that sold out.

Conservatives: Call liberals communists. Call communists liberals. Base entirely too arguments on the assumption that God exists. Are very angry and patronising towards young people.


The thing that bothers me about followers of any ideology is their tendency to use their ideology as support for their arguments to the point that they think that their ideology trumps objective reality. An ideology is not a support for an argument. An ideology is a collection of them. This obnoxious tendency is usually strongest in the group whose ideology is currently the prevailing one, so at the minute it's the neo-cons here in the US.

e.g. Right-wingers who claim that increases in minumum wages will result in increased unemployment and inflation. They continue to argue this even when shown all the places that do increase minimum wages and the result is always that the increased wages create an increase in demand for consumer products which in turn spurs business creating more jobs.

Even when shown this evidence they simply respond that according to their favored economic model increases in minimum wage will(even though it didn't and never has) lead to unemployment and inflation. You can almost see their brains leap out of their heads and go running home to mommy and daddy crying "this mean bully said nasty things to me about how my economic models are based on fallacious reasoning and obsolete theories."

Anarchists: Claim everything they do is a blow against the state. Shoplifting, squatting, vandalism, throwing a rock at a McDonalds window. Get over it, they're all fun things to do. But they're hardly gonna bring down capitalism.

those aren't even the worst of the bunch

Religious People: Believe without a shadow of a doubt that something not-so-great will happen to you when you die. I always wonder, do they just see a skeleton when they talk to me or what?

Religious Fundamentalists: Use some little book as a justification for everything and the basis for all their arguments and ideas about how the government should run.

Extreme capitalists: Are obsessed with theory, and favor a system whose ultimate end is essentially a wealthy few ruling a poverty-stricken many. Seem to have little basis in the realities of the working world when blathering on about their economic theories.

American liberals: Can't decide what the issue is. Can't unify. Make issues out of things that shouldn't be issues and are unimportant. Have let the conservatives take the flag. Some can't seem to figure out that patriotism is love of country, not of government.

Anarchists: Seem to be under the impression that anarchy could somehow last for more than a few months before someone seized power by force. Forget that if the government goes, so does everything it maintains and operates.

Communists: Are a tad unrealistic. Think that any form of private enterprise at all (even a local bakery that sells cookies) is somehow oppressing the workers.

Atheists: Can be very condescending, and that is quite irritating.

Fascists/Nazis: Are deluded and think that everyone who doesn't agree with them must have a flawed way of thinking, or be in on the global Jewish Conspiracy. Place no value on human rights.

Moderates/Centrists: Often appear spineless and to have no actual principles, are afraid to stand for anything.

As you can see, a lot of people irritate me at times.

Liberals: Call themselves open minded but whenever they are presented with views not their own they cry "Neocon", "Fundie", "Racist" etc

Conservatives -- Subscribe to millenia-old myths that have been pretty thoroughly refuted.


If your talking about Christianity I'd be very interested in hearing just how it has been refuted.