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Poll coming...

After seeing this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10690589&postcount=46) in the thread about lurkers, I got to thinking about how popularity/name recognition/respect works on the forum.

A lot of things seem to go into it, including personality, uniqueness of nation name, age of nation, posting frequency, quality of posts, and (perhaps more controversially) political ideology.

The questions I have for y'all are these:

What's the most important factor in your decision to like or respect another poster?

How important is nation age and political ideology on the forum in terms of people getting respect?

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Now for my boring story. I used to post on General...a lot...back in late '03 and early '04. I posted often enough that I had some degree of name recognition and respect, though I wouldn't go so far as to call it popularity or suggest that I was royalty or one of the most respected debaters. I posted in the debate threads and the socialization threads by turns, hobnobbing with the serious, the ridiculous, the humorous, and the licentious. ;)

These days, there aren't as much of the socialization threads left, and we have mostly debate in comparison with the past. So while socialization is still an important component of the forum, I think there may have been somewhat of a shift in what makes for a respected or popular poster as a result of the change.

Any thoughts?

Age USED to be a factor for me ... and post count. But as I worked my way up there I realized that really there were people with 1 k posts that were just as knoledgable as someone with 10

I guess the same factors work with the forum and me as in real life.

Thinks like quality of argumenets, atitudes, beliefs, And just good ol just likin someone

There are posts I choose to read or skip based on what I have read from the poster before.

Once a post is read, though, it doesn't matter who the poster is.

Neither age nor post count.
If you want to become popular with me, show yourself to be original and with a good sense of humour.
And it does help if you post a little more than once a year, though, as I might forget about you otherwise. Unless you really, REALLY impressed me ;)

As a sort of old-timer, centrist, capable of eloquent speech and possessing an impressive postcount, I was once 'popular' and well-liked. Then I "sold out". :rolleyes: Then I went away. :( Now I am no longer sure if I am recognised by the majority on a day-to-day basis, or what if anything people think of me. I am no longer sure I care either. Pretty sad really.

Then I "sold out".

How did you sell out?

Personality.

Well, that and boobs. Man boobs doubly so :eek:

As a sort of old-timer, centrist, capable of eloquent speech and possessing an impressive postcount, I was once 'popular' and well-liked. Then I "sold out". :rolleyes: Then I went away. :( Now I am no longer sure if I am recognised by the majority on a day-to-day basis, or what if anything people think of me. I am no longer sure I care either. Pretty sad really.

For what it's worth, I like your avatar :)

:fluffle:

How did you sell out?
Mod. It's like having the social status an hard working prefect.

Although TG is the shit.

What's ASL?

What's ASL?
Age Sex location

What's ASL?
Age/Sex/Location

ie - 18/F/Your_Town pretty much guarantees popularity. :rolleyes:

Mod. It's like having the social status an hard working prefect.

Although TG is the shit.

Ahhh, screw that. I like the mods.

Haha, as if I would know about being 'popular' round here....There's a very clear core of 'popular' posters, and there's other posters. It's just like any other place where people come together and talk. Akin to school. The popular group, and the rest.

Age USED to be a factor for me ... and post count. But as I worked my way up there I realized that really there were people with 1 k posts that were just as knoledgable as someone with 10

Yeah. I learned pretty quick that a low postcount poster could just mean that they rarely found something worth using their impressive intellect to debate. I got squashed pretty bad on a few occasions before I learned that.

Sometimes it was an experienced regular using a puppet too. Not that I would ever do that. :cool:

Age/Sex/Location

ie - 18/F/Your_Town pretty much guarantees popularity. :rolleyes:
It does indeed.;) Not that there is anyone from my area here.

Haha, as if I would know about being 'popular' round here....There's a very clear core of 'popular' posters, and there's other posters. It's just like any other place where people come together and talk. Akin to school. The popular group, and the rest.
Well there are the ones that think they are popular

Can you even be "popular" here without taking part in social threads?

Akin to school. The popular group, and the rest.
No running in the coridoors! Where's your pass?! Wha - wait... what are you doing...? *Exploding stars* :(

megalomania. the only way to get respect is to bend all others to your will. or enmity... either way, it's recognition, and all i've ever really wanted is to be recognized. :(

Yeah. I learned pretty quick that a low postcount poster could just mean that they rarely found something worth using their impressive intellect to debate. I got squashed pretty bad on a few occasions before I learned that.

Sometimes it was an experienced regular using a puppet too. Not that I would ever do that. :cool:
Lol yeah that happens

But I guess there is a reason a real low post count is sometimes looked down on ... soo many trolls around here

seeing as i replied to the actual post in question, i may as well just post that: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10690639&postcount=55



As a sort of old-timer, centrist, capable of eloquent speech and possessing an impressive postcount, I was once 'popular' and well-liked. Then I "sold out". :rolleyes: Then I went away. :( Now I am no longer sure if I am recognised by the majority on a day-to-day basis, or what if anything people think of me. I am no longer sure I care either. Pretty sad really.
ah i recognise you dude... but then maybe that's cos i met you :p

Well there are the ones that think they are popular

Can you even be "popular" here without taking part in social threads?

I think that the liberal/conservative arguments on here are more of a source of popularity than the social threads.

Well there are the ones that think they are popular
How does that differ from school though? Liked by everyone doesn't mean popular, sure.

Can you even be "popular" here without taking part in social threads?
Don't see how.

There are posts I choose to read or skip based on what I have read from the poster before.

Once a post is read, though, it doesn't matter who the poster is.

That's a new philosophy...well at the very least it's not one I've encountered before.

What would be considered a socialization thread? Somebody posting "What's up?"

Neither age nor post count.
If you want to become popular with me, show yourself to be original and with a good sense of humour.

I'll keep that in mind. ;)

And it does help if you post a little more than once a year, though, as I might forget about you otherwise. Unless you really, REALLY impressed me ;)

Are you trying to tell me something with this? :p

What would be considered a socialization thread? Somebody posting "What's up?"
Debates vs spam/socialising.

That's a new philosophy...well at the very least it's not one I've encountered before.

I'm kind of temperamental, the mildest things can convince me that I don't like a poster, and chances are if I don't like you I will ignore you without even thinking about it. Sometimes I will just ignore anyone I don't recognize.

But at the same time I cannot avoid an argument.

Debates vs spam/socialising.

What IS spam?

i hope popularity isnt based on cool name.

i thought timmikistan was amusing, but so many peoples end in stan its seems less original. unless i suppose u were called stan and called ure nation.
stanistan.

if some one can come up with a good name ill resign timmikistan and start a new nation.

What IS spam?

Short
Pointless
Annoying
Messages

I'll keep that in mind. ;)



Are you trying to tell me something with this? :p

Do I know you? :confused:







;)

Short
Pointless
Annoying
Messages

Oh, crap! I do that!

what's the deal today with everyone talking about the "popular people"? is there a list of these people? or is it more of a "nobody likes me" type of thing?

Age/Sex/Location

ie - 18/F/Your_Town pretty much guarantees popularity. :rolleyes:


Only when some form of visual evidence is given...

i hope popularity isnt based on cool name.

i thought timmikistan was amusing, but so many peoples end in stan its seems less original. unless i suppose u were called stan and called ure nation.
stanistan.

if some one can come up with a good name ill resign timmikistan and start a new nation.

whoa there. -stan's of the world, unite!

What would be considered a socialization thread? Somebody posting "What's up?"

Sure. That would be an example of it. There are two types of socialization threads that I've seen.

The first kind is one where people talk about their personal preferences/random stuff and get to know each other. The second kind of socialization thread is what used to be quite common, threads like the Paradise Beach club but with somewhat less roleplaying.

What IS spam?
It varies depending on context, but:
Spam/SPAM: Off-topic, irrelevant and multi-posts that clog the server. This includes posting lots of smilies which is known as Smilie Spam. Also akin to spamming is Post-whoring which is when a player posts anything just to increase the postcount. Spamming to the point where you get deleted is known as Klamathing. Spamming in the forums should be reported through the Moderation forum, and In-game, through the Getting Help Page.

Sure. That would be an example of it. There are two types of socialization threads that I've seen.

The first kind is one where people talk about their personal preferences/random stuff and get to know each other. The second kind of socialization thread is what used to be quite common, threads like the Paradise Beach club but with somewhat less roleplaying.
And the third, hijack a thread and start spamming.

Y'all aren't being either honest or realistic. Physical attraction and ASL have nothing to do with popularity here? C'mon... :rolleyes:

whoa there. -stan's of the world, unite!


was only meant to fool the non - stanners into a false sense of security, before we rise up to overtake the worldastan

As a sort of old-timer, centrist, capable of eloquent speech and possessing an impressive postcount, I was once 'popular' and well-liked. Then I "sold out". :rolleyes: Then I went away. :( Now I am no longer sure if I am recognised by the majority on a day-to-day basis, or what if anything people think of me. I am no longer sure I care either. Pretty sad really.

Well I still dig ya, TG. Been a long time since I saw you post regularly. That may just be because I don't come around regularly anymore though...

And the third, hijack a thread and start spamming.

Those generally become the first kind, but yeah.

Y'all aren't being either honest or realistic. Physical attraction and ASL have nothing to do with popularity here? C'mon... :rolleyes:

Why would ASL and attractiveness have anything to do with a political internet forum?

was only meant to fool the non - stanners into a false sense of security, before we rise up to overtake the worldastan

oh oops... guess i let the cat out of the bag on that one. The -stannish council is going to have my hide for this...

what's the deal today with everyone talking about the "popular people"? is there a list of these people? or is it more of a "nobody likes me" type of thing?

If you weren't aware of it, you're ON that list. And yeah, it probably wouldn't be hard to make a list. The same people come up every time.

Why would ASL and attractiveness have anything to do with a political internet forum?

Tell me some people here aren't popular based almost purely on their looks.

Y'all aren't being either honest or realistic. Physical attraction and ASL have nothing to do with popularity here? C'mon... :rolleyes:

Heh. I was just impressed at how many people have admitted that political ideology has something to do with it.

Tell me some people here aren't popular based almost purely on their looks.
There's one in particular I would say, but she isn't around anymore. Name rhymes with sink.

Tell me some people here aren't popular based almost purely on their looks.
*Cough* Tink *cough* (thats at least PART of it)

I think that the liberal/conservative arguments on here are more of a source of popularity than the social threads.
Really? I mostly ignore those threads. The whole left/right thing is last century. We live in a post-left/right world now :rolleyes:

I think there are little clicks on here too :eek:

What would be considered a socialization thread? Somebody posting "What's up?"
See "Choose Wisely" thread ;)

I respect people who actually have something to say when it comes to most topics, instead of saying "omFg lol yea th4t iss liek k1cKK a55 haha lol." Most people on here would concur with me when I say that maturity is definitely a trait in short supply online, and Nationstates is blessed with one of the most intelligent, respectful and mature fanbases of any online community.

There's one in particular I would say, but she isn't around anymore. Name rhymes with sink.

I'm sure there are more than a few that would gladly take her place.

I'm sure there are more than a few that would gladly take her place.
People who would want to be 'popular' based purely on being half decent looking, and posting pictures of their breasts? More fool them.

If you weren't aware of it, you're ON that list. And yeah, it probably wouldn't be hard to make a list. The same people come up every time.
I am?! that's disturbing.

I think there are little clicks on here too
I suppose I am in one of the cliques too?:(

There's one in particular I would say, but she isn't around anymore. Name rhymes with sink.

I haven't seen a picture of Aerou, but I hope she's popular because her ideologies are very attractive.

People who would want to be 'popular' based purely on being half decent looking, and posting pictures of their breasts? More fool them.

Didn't mean by taking the same tack necessarily.

Why would ASL and attractiveness have anything to do with a political internet forum?
Because politics is all about getting laid ;)

I am?! that's disturbing.
You mean you hadn't noticed?

Didn't mean by taking the same tack necessarily.
Oh, I'm sure there are. Frankly, I couldn't really care what the vast majority of people on here think of me.

I haven't seen a picture of Aerou, but I hope she's popular because her ideologies are very attractive.
Of course :)
http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/AerouNS/?
Very atractive ideologies :)

Oh, I'm sure there are. Frankly, I couldn't really care what the vast majority of people on here think of me.

Me either. Obviously. :p

Of course :)
http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/AerouNS/?
Very atractive ideologies :)

Yeah...ideologies...that's it... :rolleyes:

You mean you hadn't noticed?
I have a few friends around here, but I didn't think I was one of the "popular people" I mean Cabra West is popular, not me.

Yeah...ideologies...that's it... :rolleyes:
That was the whole point I was trying to get across

I just did not want to roll my eyes cause I did not want to pick on them TOO much ... seemed too harsh when I previewed it lol

I am?! that's disturbing.

I suppose I am in one of the cliques too?:(

Come ON, Smunkee. You're an intelligent lady. Take a look at those "socialization" threads...who on NS would you:
live with
do a debate with
do a reality show with
date
be friends with in real life
etc

I haven't seen a single one that doesn't mention you by the second page.

Now, let's count how many people there are that participate in NS General...

If you aren't popular, what are the odds that this would happen if it was all coincidence? I'm not a math person, but they are huge.

By the way, it is OKAY to be popular. On here, it means a lot because this is a lot more about personality than it is about looks or age or who has what. That's why all the threads about it today...a lot of people on here want to be in the "in" group and be recognized as a person that people want to talk to. That's all. For some people, it will happen. For most, it will not. That is okay too.

Of course :)
http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/AerouNS/?
Very atractive ideologies :)

Ah. So that's what kids are calling them these days. ;)

Ah. So that's what kids are calling them these days. ;)
Must be ...

That was the whole point I was trying to get across

I just did not want to roll my eyes cause I did not want to pick on them TOO much ... seemed too harsh when I previewed it lol

Oh, I got the point. I just have no problem with being harsh when it's appropriate. ;)

Of course :)
http://s10.photobucket.com/albums/a101/AerouNS/?
Very atractive ideologies :)

If that's the most attractive girl on here...I would be surprised. (To Aerou: You are very lovely. Good job!)

Come ON, Smunkee. You're an intelligent lady. Take a look at those "socialization" threads...who on NS would you:
live with
do a debate with
do a reality show with
date
be friends with in real life
etc

I haven't seen a single one that doesn't mention you by the second page.

Now, let's count how many people there are that participate in NS General...

If you aren't popular, what are the odds that this would happen if it was all coincidence? I'm not a math person, but they are huge.

By the way, it is OKAY to be popular. On here, it means a lot because this is a lot more about personality than it is about looks or age or who has what. That's why all the threads about it today...a lot of people on here want to be in the "in" group and be recognized as a person that people want to talk to. That's all. For some people, it will happen. For most, it will not. That is okay too.

but people hate me IRL because I am "popular", it sucks. Even in highschool people hated me because I was a "floater" and didn't stick with one tiny group, and now as an adult there are people who don't like me because people that don't like them like me........I don't understand. I wish I was invisible......

I suppose I am in one of the cliques too?:(
*nods*
But I like the click.. clique.. you're in.. The goofy popular kids group.

Some day.. some day I will be in that click.. clique? DAMMIT!

*looks at your location*

*starts singing*

In my own little corner, in my own little chair I can be what ever I want to be!

Don't judge me! My school just did a cinderella play.. I swear!

I have a few friends around here, but I didn't think I was one of the "popular people" I mean Cabra West is popular, not me.
When was the last time there was a 'social' thread and you weren't mentioned before the second page?

but people hate me IRL because I am "popular", it sucks. Even in highschool people hated me because I was a "floater" and didn't stick with one tiny group, and now as an adult there are people who don't like me because people that don't like them like me........I don't understand. I wish I was invisible......

Yeah, but people, as a whole, are twats. Ignore them :)

but people hate me IRL because I am "popular", it sucks. Even in highschool people hated me because I was a "floater" and didn't stick with one tiny group, and now as an adult there are people who don't like me because people that don't like them like me........I don't understand. I wish I was invisible......

Nobody hates you, don't worry. That is the opposite of what I was trying to say. Everybody likes you, even the people who are not and will never be noticed. You are not invisible and you shouldn't be. Just...use your powers for good. :cool:

*nods*
But I like the click.. clique.. you're in.. The goofy popular kids group.

Some day.. some day I will be in that click.. clique? DAMMIT!

*looks at your location*

*starts singing*

In my own little corner, in my own little chair I can be what ever I want to be!

Don't judge me! My school just did a cinderella play.. I swear!
OMG I love that version of Cinderella (see my location LOL) you are officially cool......see nothing is impossible............

impossible for a plain yellow pumpkin to become a golden carriage....impossible for a plain country bumpkin and a prince to join in marriage...and 4 white mice will never be 4 white horses.........

okay, now I am going to annoy everyone today.:D

When was the last time there was a 'social' thread and you weren't mentioned before the second page?
there was a "who would you date on NS" thred a few weeks back that I didn't get mentioned on until the 6th page and then it was like "if she wasn't married"

(not the recent one where I was mentioned in the OP)

okay, now I am going to annoy everyone today.:D
I refuse to believe it's possible for you to annoy anyone, let alone everyone :p

Y'all aren't being either honest or realistic. Physical attraction and ASL have nothing to do with popularity here? C'mon... :rolleyes:
Well, sure it does. But the OP wasn't very clear on this point - it sounded more like he was talking about respect (as is also the title of the poll), less about popularity.
Which, IMHO, is a huge difference on this forum. Well, not necessarily "is", but definitely "can be".

1. What's the most important factor in your decision to like or respect another poster?

2. How important is nation age and

3. political ideology

... on the forum in terms of people getting respect?
1. Whether they're willing to listen to reason or not.

2. Not very.

3. Hardly at all.

An additional note: If you're not afraid to let people know who you really are, it helps raise their respect for you. IMHO.

I have a few friends around here, but I didn't think I was one of the "popular people" I mean Cabra West is popular, not me.

Used to be. :D

The downside on this whole popularity thing is, once you start posting less frequently, you're easily forgotten.

there was a "who would you date on NS" thred a few weeks back that I didn't get mentioned on until the 6th page and then it was like "if she wasn't married"

(not the recent one where I was mentioned in the OP)
I don't think you got in on the latest babe thread. Not that it did very well.

OMG I love that version of Cinderella (see my location LOL) you are officially cool......see nothing is impossible............

impossible for a plain yellow pumpkin to become a golden carriage....impossible for a plain country bumpkin and a prince to join in marriage...and 4 white mice will never be 4 white horses.........

okay, now I am going to annoy everyone today.:D
I'm cool?!
:cool:

As soon as I looked at your location the song got studk in my head!

:headbang: :eek:

OH MY GOD!

One of my posts started an entire thread!

*runs about in excitment*

I am SO glad that I am not the only one who feels that way. I think that we all know who the 'popular' ones are, and I was not meaning that in a bad way. I really was interested to see what other people who, like me, are not one of the elite generalites, but enjoy being part of the wider community.
Maybe if, which seems likely, I am able to get as much access to the computer as I do at present and I continue to find threads that amuse and or annoy me, stimulate or make me think, then I may one day get to be one of THEM too......

*runs about a bit more wildly waving hands and squealing*

1. Whether they're willing to listen to reason or not.

2. Not very.

3. Hardly at all.

An additional note: If you're not afraid to let people know who you really are, it helps raise their respect for you. IMHO.
You're in the cool goof clique too.

there was a "who would you date on NS" thred a few weeks back that I didn't get mentioned on until the 6th page and then it was like "if she wasn't married"
Off-topic but a woman isn't truly admired if a guy sees a wedding ring and backs off? :p

Off-topic but a woman isn't truly admired if a guy sees a wedding ring and backs off? :p
either that or they fear my husband LOL

(political ideology) 3. Hardly at all.

yeah right, as if the conservatives and the liberals don't band together.

OH MY GOD!

One of my posts started an entire thread!

*runs about in excitment*

I am SO glad that I am not the only one who feels that way. I think that we all know who the 'popular' ones are, and I was not meaning that in a bad way. I really was interested to see what other people who, like me, are not one of the elite generalites, but enjoy being part of the wider community.
Maybe if, which seems likely, I am able to get as much access to the computer as I do at present and I continue to find threads that amuse and or annoy me, stimulate or make me think, then I may one day get to be one of THEM too......

*runs about a bit more wildly waving hands and squealing*

Err...glad to be of service. :)

Err...glad to be of service. :)

:fluffle: I love you

Well actually, not really, but you know what I mean.....:D

I'm cool?!
:cool:

As soon as I looked at your location the song got studk in my head!

:headbang: :eek:
you think that's bad?

not only is the whole musical score in my head now, but so is the score of "The Sound of Music" because it's also Rogers and Hammerstien and Julie Andrews (although to be fair I did like Lesley Ann Warren as Cinderella in the 1965 TV version better, but probably because Ginger Rogers was in that one)


Okay.......that's off topic....sorry.

yeah right, as if the conservatives and the liberals don't band together.
Well, I voted for the "political ideology" option, but not because I think people "band together".
It's just that when somebody espouses an ideology that I personally hold to be just plain wrong or even downright idiotic, it doesn't really matter if he can lay out his position in an incredibly eloquent and rational manner, I'd still be more inclined to say "What a jerk!" instead of "Yeah, what he says is utter bullshit, but I really respect him for the way he says it!". Of course I may just be an intolerant bitch. *shrug*

Of course I may just be an intolerant bitch. *shrug*Nah, I agree with you ('cept for the "intolerant bitch" part).
I think it features a lot too. I wouldn't respect a Nazi no matter how eloquent or well thought through their posts may seem (or however good their spelling might be). It's not as important as how good your arguments are, but it does matter to some degree.

you think that's bad?

not only is the whole musical score in my head now, but so is the score of "The Sound of Music" because it's also Rogers and Hammerstien and Julie Andrews (although to be fair I did like Lesley Ann Warren as Cinderella in the 1965 TV version better, but probably because Ginger Rogers was in that one)


Okay.......that's off topic....sorry.
*pets you*

You poor thing.

*yells "THE HILLS ARE ALIVE WIH THE SOUND OF MUSIC"*

Oh.. I'm evil!

:fluffle: I love you

Well actually, not really, but you know what I mean.....:D

haha. Yes I do. :)

:fluffle:

Well, I voted for the "political ideology" option, but not because I think people "band together".
It's just that when somebody espouses an ideology that I personally hold to be just plain wrong or even downright idiotic, it doesn't really matter if he can lay out his position in an incredible eloquent and rational matter, I'd still be more inclined to say "What a jerk!" instead of "Yeah, what he says is utter bullshit, but I really respect him for the way he says it!". Of course I may just be an intolerant bitch. *shrug*

Admitting to a natural inclination to disregard those who espouse an opposed ideology is hardly an indication that you're an intolerant bitch. It actually speaks well for your honesty.

I love it when people have posted good arguments, well thought out and interesting to read, it really is a pleasure sometimes to watch erudite and witty inteligent people in action.

Thank you good people of general. :D

It's just that when somebody espouses an ideology that I personally hold to be just plain wrong or even downright idiotic, it doesn't really matter if he can lay out his position in an incredible eloquent and rational matter, I'd still be more inclined to say "What a jerk!" instead of "Yeah, what he says is utter bullshit, but I really respect him for the way he says it!".

well yeah that's what i meant.

Nah, I agree with you ('cept for the "intolerant bitch" part). Coming from you, that's actually good to hear. ;)

Admitting to a natural inclination to disregard those who espouse an opposed ideology is hardly an indication that you're an intolerant bitch. It actually speaks well for your honesty. Maybe I'm just an honest bitch. :p

Maybe I'm just an honest bitch. :p

Nothing at all wrong with that. ;)

Maybe I'm just an honest bitch. :p
I admire honesty ... and a bit of bitchiness at times! :p

Coming from you, that's actually good to hear. ;) Anytime (that my wireless network doesn't crash, the old folk don't tell me I have to walk if I don't pack my stuff and get to the car, the library doesn't have a false fire alarm, or my laptop gets rained on) ;)

With me it is post count and quality of posts. I don't have many posts, but admittedly, if somebody has under 100 posts I tend to skip over what they have said no matter how eloquent or well thought out it may be. Also, the quality of posts has a lot to do with it. I'll read a post and if I like what a person says I'm more inclined to read the next thing they post, whereas if I think the person is an idiot, I tend to completely ignore their posts.

I think that nation age and quality of posts should be more important, but I voted for postcount, because that is what seems to actually gain one popularity around here (Or at least recognition). Having a cool name helps, I suppose, but seeing as most people probably name their nations without thinking of what their forum posts will look like, I suppose it is not that important.

Obviously being an old (In NS terms) guy who barely posted at all for years, but it a bright cookie (Well, I like to think, anyway), I am biased.

Soo, we've mentioned it, but does anyone feel up to actually typing out this list of popular people? We all know who they are, that's the point. Oh, and yeah:

or is it more of a "nobody likes me" type of thing?

It sorta is.

1. Whether they're willing to listen to reason or not.

2. Not very.

3. Hardly at all.

An additional note: If you're not afraid to let people know who you really are, it helps raise their respect for you. IMHO.
I would rather not for the most part ... Online it is rare for anyone to get a real name from me...

You would be amazed what us hackers can do starting with your name....

I would rather be safe then boasting my name.

whoa there. -stan's of the world, unite!
i think ill change my vote to "coolname"

just saying your name outloud makes me laugh

Aside from saying you are a girl, there are three critical features to becoming popular: post count, posting early, and concise, quirky posts.

The first is simply a general given of posting on any forum where there's a high turnover: if you only post 500 messages, then it wouldn't matter if your posts paved the way for curing herpes, solved world hunger, and established concretely the existence of God. This is because no one would recognize your name, and aside from an average of three posts by tokers looking for donuts, two religious fundamentalists condemning you to hell, and a libertarian reciting lessons from The Fountainhead, no one would therefore respond to your work.

This leads me to the second critical feature, namely posting early. Over 3.5 years in time (the rough length of NS existence), it requires only a modicum of effort to beat North-Eastern Europe and Parratoga for overall post count. After all, you only need roughly 17000 posts, and that averages out to a fairly reasonable 13 posts per day. Unfortunately, if you only post 13 posts per day, especially early on before you've made a name for yourself, then it doesn't establish name recognition, and name recognition is ultimately what you are going for. So the real trick is to flood the forum with your presence for the first month or so of your nation's existence. You don't need to display any particular skill or debating style, just be everywhere. Also, it helps if you have a catchy trait, like Normack's two-word posts or Danya's incessant desire for approval.

The third point is that when you make these posts, the shorter, the better. You see the paragraph above this one? Way too long. It packs in so much information that most people just skip over the post. So if you are going for a Kung-Fu Master or Philosopher-style of debating, you need to learn to make your paragraphs no more than four sentences, and use clear, concise language. If you are going for any other style, you had best stick with quick, and even better quirky one or two-sentence paragraphs. For examples of successful use of the latter technique, I'd direct you to Lunatic Goofballs or Pablo the Squirrel.

Aside from saying you are a girl, there are three critical features to becoming popular: post count, posting early, and concise, quirky posts.

The first is simply a general given of posting on any forum where there's a high turnover: if you only post 500 messages, then it wouldn't matter if your posts paved the way for curing herpes, solved world hunger, and established concretely the existence of God. This is because no one would recognize your name, and aside from an average of three posts by tokers looking for donuts, two religious fundamentalists condemning you to hell, and a libertarian reciting lessons from The Fountainhead, no one would therefore respond to your work.

This leads me to the second critical feature, namely posting early. Over 3.5 years in time (the rough length of NS existence), it requires only a modicum of effort to beat North-Eastern Europe and Parratoga for overall post count. After all, you only need roughly 17000 posts, and that averages out to a fairly reasonable 13 posts per day. Unfortunately, if you only post 13 posts per day, especially early on before you've made a name for yourself, then it doesn't establish name recognition, and name recognition is ultimately what you are going for. So the real trick is to flood the forum with your presence for the first month or so of your nation's existence. You don't need to display any particular skill or debating style, just be everywhere. Also, it helps if you have a catchy trait, like Normack's two-word posts or Danya's incessant desire for approval.

The third point is that when you make these posts, the shorter, the better. You see the paragraph above this one? Way too long. It packs in so much information that most people just skip over the post. So if you are going for a Kung-Fu Master or Philosopher-style of debating, you need to learn to make your paragraphs no more than four sentences, and use clear, concise language. If you are going for any other style, you had best stick with quick, and even better quirky one or two-sentence paragraphs. For examples of successful use of the latter technique, I'd direct you to Lunatic Goofballs or Pablo the Squirrel.

Damn, Xeno. Insightful as always. Thanks for the guide.

i think ill change my vote to "coolname"

just saying your name outloud makes me laugh

lol. thanks. i am waiting to hit 500 million so i can change it to the Stannish Stan of Katurklurkmurkastan. declaring myself the 'Democratic States of' and being ranked a corrupt dictatorship does appeal to me though.

Damn, Xeno. Insightful as always. Thanks for the guide.

Seeing as how you're the only one who knows who I am, it may be vulnerable to the "plank in the eye" attack. . .;)

Seeing as how you're the only one who knows who I am, it may be vulnerable to the "plank in the eye" attack. . .;)

I think I recognize you....

Seeing as how you're the only one who knows who I am, it may be vulnerable to the "plank in the eye" attack. . .;)

Heh. Fair point.

But you and I both know that hypocrisy is not a fallacy. :)

Besides, there are benefits to not being popular.

It sorta is.
Bummer. But don't worry, lil' buddy, with your feet, you'll be plenty popular soon enough ;)

Bummer. But don't worry, lil' buddy, sith your feet, you'll be plenty popular soon enough ;)

Sith? Is that a verb?

Sith? Is that a verb?
No, it's a nonsequitor "Star Wars" reference LOL. TY, post above editted for spelling :rolleyes:

but people hate me IRL because I am "popular", it sucks. Even in highschool people hated me because I was a "floater" and didn't stick with one tiny group, and now as an adult there are people who don't like me because people that don't like them like me........I don't understand. I wish I was invisible......


I am invisible. I'd rather have your problem.

I am invisible. I'd rather have your problem.
Amen, brother. She don't know from alienated and disenfrancised :(

lol. thanks. i am waiting to hit 500 million so i can change it to the Stannish Stan of Katurklurkmurkastan. declaring myself the 'Democratic States of' and being ranked a corrupt dictatorship does appeal to me though.
the downside to the Stannish Stan of Katurklurkmurkastan is that when your name is mentioned people will ask themselves "hmmmm is that the country or is that a song by sha na na?"

I am invisible. I'd rather have your problem.
the grass is always greener on the other side.

I have been both, I prefer invisible.

the downside to the Stannish Stan of Katurklurkmurkastan is that when your name is mentioned people will ask themselves "hmmmm is that the country or is that a song by sha na na?"


Ahh....Sha Na Na ....whatever became of them I wonder?

Personality.

Well, that and boobs. Man boobs doubly so :eek:

Damn straight! Boobs forever! http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474360http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j173/GSR40ADDICT/STUFF/BANANA.gif

the grass is always greener on the other side.

I have been both, I prefer invisible.
Only now that you're married. Only the single are truly invisible.

Amen, brother. She don't know from alienated and disenfrancised :(


It's partly my fault. I don't generally make long thoughful posts because my gut reaction is to respond emotionally rather than intellectually. It can make me look like a damn fool, so I've sort of weaned myself away from deep heavy debates. Unfortunately, short answers don't win you many friends. Sometimes I'm not so sure I want to know what they think of me around here.

It's partly my fault. I don't generally make long thoughful posts because my gut reaction is to respond emotionally rather than intellectually. It can make me look like a damn fool, so I've sort of weaned myself away from deep heavy debates. Unfortunately, short answers don't win you many friends. Sometimes I'm not so sure I want to know what they think of me around here.
it's fun when you are around, but you disappear for weeks at a time, that's no way to build up a rep. :)

it's fun when you are around, but you disappear for weeks at a time, that's no way to build up a rep. :)


Blame classes. And that trip to Disney World last summer.

Blame classes. And that trip to Disney World last summer.
what? you have a real life?

people are going to be jealous of you around here. LOL

Age Sex location

or American Sign Language

Blame classes. And that trip to Disney World last summer.
Disney World? That sounds like fun! Are you sure you're alienated and disenfranchised?

what? you have a real life?

people are going to be jealous of you around here. LOL



If you call being a non-traditional student whose social life consists of this place, then yes, I have a real life. ;) Who needs friends or a relationship? I have textbooks to keep me warm at night. :D

Disney World? That sounds like fun! Are you sure you're alienated and disenfranchised?


I went alone. See above post.

If you call being a non-traditional student whose social life consists of this place, then yes, I have a real life. ;) Who needs friends or a relationship? I have textbooks to keep me warm at night. :D
been there, it's a safe life. Books don't hurt you (unless someone throws one at you, then you can hurt them, that's the rule)

been there, it's a safe life. Books don't hurt you (unless someone throws one at you, then you can hurt them, that's the rule)


I am reminded on a daily basis why I was supposed to have done this 20 years ago.

One of my three votes was cool nation name, but then that doesn't really mean much as I think most people have cool nation names except. BMV definately had a cool name. I can't remember what it stood for. Something about mad vikings, but I instantly liked him for it, and his posts didn't do anything to dissuade me. Also, if you have a cool nation name I'm more likely to remember and associate a personality with it.

been there, it's a safe life. Books don't hurt you (unless someone throws one at you, then you can hurt them, that's the rule)
Hmmm, being alienated and disenfranchised is a bit about being safe, isn't it? Damn you Smunkee :p *goes off to be introspective for a while*

And speaking of school, time to go cuddle up with one of the aforementioned textbooks.

Soo, we've mentioned it, but does anyone feel up to actually typing out this list of popular people? We all know who they are, that's the point. <snip>

While I probably have one or two people misplaced and forgot to add a few other people, here's a start to said list:
Lunatic Goofballs
Eutrusca
Cabra West
Smunkeeville
Aerou (mainly because the vast majority of the male NS population thinks she's hot)
Tink (Babes!)
Peechland (?)
Valori (?)
Cluichistan (?)

I don't think I'm particularly well-known, but that's only because I spend most of my time discussing and debating. I'm hoping that I'm popular with those I debate with, however...:p

While I probably have one or two people misplaced and forgot to add a few other people, here's a start to said list:
Lunatic Goofballs
Eutrusca
Cabra West
Smunkeeville
Aerou (mainly because the vast majority of the male NS population thinks she's hot)
Tink (Babes!)
Peechland
Valori
Cluichistan

And Cat Tribe...and Nazz....And Fiddles....etc.

And Cat Tribe...and Nazz....And Fiddles....etc.
And Harlesburg... and PM...

And Harlesburg... and PM...

And how'd Fass get skipped?

And Cat Tribe...and Nazz....And Fiddles....etc.
How bout me do I count?

How bout me do I count?

Yeah...think I hear of ya....and on that note

GraveNI...

While I probably have one or two people misplaced and forgot to add a few other people, here's a start to said list:
Lunatic Goofballs
Eutrusca
Cabra West
Smunkeeville
Aerou (mainly because the vast majority of the male NS population thinks she's hot)
Tink (Babes!)
Peechland
Valori
Cluichistan

*sees name*

That's a first....

How bout me do I count?
Nah, nobody likes you :p

*sees name*

That's a first....

Yeah, I don't know who you are :p

*sees name*

That's a first....

Don't bite the hand that feeds you. . .

While I probably have one or two people misplaced and forgot to add a few other people, here's a start to said list:
Lunatic Goofballs
Eutrusca
Cabra West
Smunkeeville
Aerou (mainly because the vast majority of the male NS population thinks she's hot)
Tink (Babes!)
Peechland
Valori
Cluichistan

When the hell did I become popular? Folks usually hire exterminators for people like me. :confused:

Whoops, I definitely forgot some big fish. Luckily, I said that the first list was only a start... here's some more...

Fass
Pure Metal
Glitziness (?)
Nazz
Nadkor
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
I L Ruffino (?)
Harlesburg
Upwards Thrust
Cat Tribe(?)
[NS]Simonist
Grave_n_idle
Grainne McNailey (sp?)
Bitchkitten (?)
Dinaverg (?)
The Tribes of Longton
Vittos Ordination2
Kazcaper (?)

Anyone I'm missing?

When the hell did I become popular? Folks usually hire exterminators for people like me. :confused:

I gave you points for your posts in the other NS subforums... wait, that's respect, not popularity. Hmm... I'll have to get back to you on that. :p

Whoops, I definitely forgot some big fish. Luckily, I said that the first list was only a start... here's some more...

Fass
Pure Metal
Glitziness (?)
Nazz
Nadkor
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
I L Ruffino (?)
Harlesburg
Upwards Thrust
Cat Tribe(?)
[NS]Simonist
Grave_n_idle
Grainne McNailey (sp?)
Bitchkitten (?)
Dinaverg (?)
The Tribes of Longton
Vittos Ordination2
Kazcaper (?)

Anyone I'm missing?



I gave you points for your posts in the other NS subforums... wait, that's respect, not popularity. Hmm... I'll have to get back to you on that. :p

Yeah, but in Neu Leonstein....Hes probably my favorite one to discuss things with on here...because hes totally reasonable and always backs up his stuff with like 100% sources.....

Plus, contrary to what he would like you guys to beleive...I bet hes a closet nationalist :p ;)

Whoops, I definitely forgot some big fish. Luckily, I said that the first list was only a start... here's some more...

Fass
Pure Metal
Glitziness (?)
Nazz
Nadkor
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
I L Ruffino (?)
Harlesburg
Upwards Thrust
Cat Tribe(?)
[NS]Simonist
Grave_n_idle
Grainne McNailey (sp?)
Bitchkitten (?)
Dinaverg (?)
The Tribes of Longton
Vittos Ordination2
Kazcaper (?)

Anyone I'm missing?



I gave you points for your posts in the other NS subforums... wait, that's respect, not popularity. Hmm... I'll have to get back to you on that. :p
W00t!
Correct spelling.

I gave you points for your posts in the other NS subforums... wait, that's respect, not popularity. Hmm... I'll have to get back to you on that. :p

'sokay, I prefer respect to popularity anyway. ;)

'sokay, I prefer respect to popularity anyway. ;)

As do I. If I had to choose between the two (and I sometimes do) respect is always my choice.

Nah, nobody likes you :p
:p Probably not :D