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Most of those affected seem to be college students!

If you haven't been vaccinated, do it NOW! :p

Weird. That disease has been virtually eradicated here due to the MPR (morbilli, parotitis, rubella) vaccine.

Alberta is mumps-free as far as I'm concerned.

<rolls eyes> Could only happen in America; hell, I was vaccinated against Measels, mumps and rubella (MMR) back when I was 12/13 years old!

Weird. That disease has been virtually eradicated here.
Whaa?? Mumps is one of the typical childhood illnesses here, like measles, or chicken pox, or rubella.

Unless mumps either means something different in English or times have REALLY changed since I was a kid. On second thought, the latter is probably true. *shiftyeyes*.

I'll go look it up on teh mighty Interweb.

Don't you get mumps vaccinations when you're a child in America? In Ireland babies all(well almost all) get the MMR(measles, mumps, rubella) shot.

Don't you get mumps vaccinations when you're a child in America? In Ireland babies all(well almost all) get the MMR(measles, mumps, rubella) shot.
Yea, I got that shot as a child...why haven't these people?

Whaa?? Mumps is one of the typical childhood illnesses here, like measles, or chicken pox, or rubella.

We vaccinate against measles (morbilli), chicken pox (varicella), and rubella, as well as against paramyxovirus ("mumps/parotitis"), among others.

Yea, I got that shot as a child...why haven't these people?
I remember getting a booster when I was 12 and 14. At least I think that's what those shots were for.

Don't you get mumps vaccinations when you're a child in America? In Ireland babies all(well almost all) get the MMR(measles, mumps, rubella) shot.

We do; however, IIRC this is a more resistant strain of mumps that the vaccine does not protect against. Since the cases seem to originate on a college campus, my guess is that a college student either contracted it from somewhere where mumps is not under control or came from a country where the disease exists and was a nonsymptomatic carrier of the disease.

Only in Iowa...

We do; however, IIRC this is a more resistant strain of mumps that the vaccine does not protect against. Since the cases seem to originate on a college campus, my guess is that a college student either contracted it from somewhere where mumps is not under control or came from a country where the disease exists and was a nonsymptomatic carrier of the disease.
Is there a vaccinne for this more resistant version? Since Fass is about I'll pose the question, what are the symptoms of mumps? I've never known anyone that's had it. At least not that I'm aware of.

We vaccinate against measles (morbilli), chicken pox (varicella), and rubella, as well as against paramyxovirus ("mumps/parotitis").
Um, yeah, *cough* turns out we do, too.
With the same MMR vaccine, of course.
And apparently have been doing so for a loooong time now. I couldn't find a date; one site said "for alomst 30 years now", but personal experience would suggest that it's only common since maybe 25 years, seeing how I was born in 1973 and up until around 1980 every kid had mumps and measles and chickenpox, some also rubella and scarlet fever.

But yeah, talk about being uninformed. :rolleyes: *goes off muttering about being too fucking old and ignorant*

Hell, if it's not bird flu or SARS it's going to be something else. We all know the media loves this "spooky journalism" to the point where they cream their collective pants every time some new disease threatens us. FEAR CAMPAIGN, TALLY-HO! :p

...they cream their collective pants every time some new disease threatens us.
Journalists only have one pair of magic media pants?! :eek:

Hell, if it's not bird flu or SARS it's going to be something else. We all know the media loves this "spooky journalism" to the point where they cream their collective pants every time some new disease threatens us. FEAR CAMPAIGN, TALLY-HO! :p
I wait for the day when some newspaper reports outbreaks of Rage, from 28 Days Later.

Since Fass is about I'll pose the question, what are the symptoms of mumps? I've never known anyone that's had it. At least not that I'm aware of.

Initially a few days of unspecific symptoms of infection, followed by a typical swelling, tenderness and pain of the parotid, often bilaterally. The usually apparent mandibular angle is effaced and the infected person has trouble opening their mouth and chewing. Some have a slight fever. Sometimes even the submandibular and sublingual glands are affected, making the face look almost spherical. It usually passes within one or two weeks.

Complications include meningoencephalitis, which in rare cases results in (usually) unilateral deafness, orchitis and epididymitis, which also rarely cause sterility.

I have not seen anyone with the disease, either.

We vaccinate against measles (morbilli), chicken pox (varicella), and rubella, as well as against paramyxovirus ("mumps/parotitis"), among others.
In America, I think everthing but chicken pox is mandatory (I know that I was almost thrown out of college because some peice of my vaccination paperwork was lost for a bit), but chicken pox isn't widely vaccinated against.
Chicken pox is just one of those great American traditions, like firing explosives into the sky and not giving blacks the right to vote, that you'd hate to see die out.

We vaccinate against measles (morbilli), chicken pox (varicella), and rubella, as well as against paramyxovirus ("mumps/parotitis"), among others.
Same here, but I have heard that quite a number of parents are forgetting ( to be charitable ) to have their children vaccinated because those diseases seem to have "gone away." Pretty sorry parents, IMHO. :(

Initially a few days of unspecific symptoms of infection, followed by a typical swelling, tenderness and pain of the parotid, often bilaterally. The usually apparent mandibular angle is effaced and the infected person has trouble opening their mouth and chewing. Some have a slight fever. Sometimes even the submandibular and sublingual glands are affected, making the face look almost spherical. It usually passes within one or two weeks.

Complications include meningoencephalitis, which in rare cases results in (usually) unilateral deafness, orchitis and epididymitis, which also rarely cause sterility.

I have not seen anyone with the disease, either.
Dr. Fass to the rescue! Thanks Fass.

Mumps? Wow.

Any more details about the reasons? Is the vacination is bad because it causes autism that old?

I remember one woman in the baby class that said she was not getting any shots because of the chances of autism :rolleyes:

Initially a few days of unspecific symptoms of infection, followed by a typical swelling, tenderness and pain of the parotid, often bilaterally. The usually apparent mandibular angle is effaced and the infected person has trouble opening their mouth and chewing. Some have a slight fever. Sometimes even the submandibular and sublingual glands are affected, making the face look almost spherical. It usually passes within one or two weeks.

Complications include meningoencephalitis, which in rare cases results in (usually) unilateral deafness, orchitis and epididymitis, which also rarely cause sterility.

I have not seen anyone with the disease, either.
Me either, not since about 1958-59.

In America, I think everthing but chicken pox is mandatory (I know that I was almost thrown out of college because some peice of my vaccination paperwork was lost for a bit), but chicken pox isn't widely vaccinated against.
Chicken pox is just one of those great American traditions, like firing explosives into the sky and not giving blacks the right to vote, that you'd hate to see die out.
Ya, I had chicken pox. It's a pretty sweet disease. Apart from bein kinda itchy it's basically a few days off school.

Same here, but I have heard that quite a number of parents are forgetting ( to be charitable ) to have their children vaccinated because those diseases seem to have "gone away." Pretty sorry parents, IMHO. :(

It is an increasing problem in certain populations, where even diseases like polio (!) have been occurring as outbreaks. These disease will stay away as long as a sufficiently large percentage of people are vaccinated. Once that rate dips, well, invest in iron lungs and crutches/wheelchairs. :\

I wait for the day when some newspaper reports outbreaks of Rage, from 28 Days Later.

ME too. :p

...Journalists only one have one pair of magic media pants?! :eek:

Only the newb journalists. ;)

Now they say that it's mostly in Kansas. Figures. :rolleyes:

Now they say that it's mostly in Kansas. Figures.
That makes no sense. There's more meth labs in Iowa.

It is an increasing problem in certain populations, where even diseases like polio (!) have been occurring as outbreaks. These disease will stay away as long as a sufficiently large percentage of people are vaccinated. Once that rate dips, well, invest in iron lungs and crutches/wheelchairs. :\

Is the old version that is having outbreaks? I once read there is a new version that is resistant to treatment.....

ME too. :p
It would be hilarious is it was false. A bit worrying if it wasn't. Meh, invest in a machete and anyone can survive a zombie apocalypse.

Is the old version that is having outbreaks? I once read there is a new version that is resistant to treatment.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4497513.stm
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=10275
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6870
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/13/AR2005101301733.html

about the time these kids were born there was a big theory going around (which is still going around in slightly different form) that the rubella vaccine caused autism. since it was an mmr shot, many parents refused to innoculate their babies. i dont know if you can get it now, but there was an MM vaccine you could get to avoid the rubella problem.

so there are people out there who never got the mmr shot because their parents were "doing what is best for their children", some whose parents couldnt be bothered to keep up with vaccinations (hard to get into school though) some from other countries where vaccinations are less common

i think the biggest group is of those parents who fell for the story that the mmr vaccine was bad for their kids.

EDIT: oh i think that was the DPT, with the pertussis vaccine causing autism.
maybe they just didnt get the mmr because it wasnt mandatory at the time.
we sure do get alot of shots!

you should also get a tetanus booster and a meningitis vaccination. and hib and hepB if you havent gotten those.

and hib and hepB if you havent gotten those.

Hib = Haemophilus Influenzae type B?

Weird. That disease has been virtually eradicated here due to the MPR (morbilli, parotitis, rubella) vaccine.
MPR tends to only reduce the severity of the infection not serve to provide complete immunity.

MPR doses are mandatory in the States to enter the public school system(except where religious exemption is given).

I had the mumps, after my cycles of MPR. No big deal.

The factthat these people are college students only serves to prove the point that the questionable immunity provided in childhood is not as permanent(in everyone) as the AMA would suggest.

OR, given it is all in specific locality a bad batch of MPR, or are these kids from families that claim religious exemption from the vaccination...if that is common in the area then a mumps outbreak would be especially felt there.


Should have got that infection as a child....not good for adults.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4497513.stm
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=10275
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn6870
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/13/AR2005101301733.html

All I can say is wow. They are on to us! Our plans to make Nigeria infertile are known. *SIGH*

I can't call them stupid because we have the same mentality here. Just not in a large scale. Many people are willing to take chances on preventable disesases because of the off chance that their child might get autism....

My great-aunt has polio. She has the crutches and leg things all her life. Hell of a woman. Went on to be a diplomat......

Hib = Haemophilus Influenzae type B?
i think so
its been so long since my son got that shot.

Should have got that infection as a child....not good for adults.
I use to hear that it can "settle" into or somehow affect the testicles and cause impotence. Is that true?

MPR tends to only reduce the severity of the infection not serve to provide complete immunity.

That's actually not true. It establishes a very good immunity - Sweden only has 5 cases of measles, around 20 cases of mumps and 3 of rubella annually. That's in a population of 9 million. The vaccine is very effective.

Many people are willing to take chances on preventable disesases because of the off chance that their child might get autism....

That annoys me to no end. In 98 there were case description in Lancet that suggested a connection between autism and the MMR vaccine. Since then, large cohort studies in the UK as well as Denmark have disproved this - there is no link between the MMR vaccine and autism. And there is no link between tiomersal (previously used preservative in the vaccine) and autism.

The evidence against the connection to autism was so compelling, one of the scientists behind the 98 article in Lancet went public and urged parents to vaccinate their children, as their original findings had been proved false. By 2004, 10 of the 13 authors had rescinded their "warning" of autism.

So the autism connection is bull.

That's actually not true. It establishes a very good immunity - Sweden only has 5 cases of measles, around 20 cases of mumps and 3 of rubella annually. That's in a population of 9 million. The vaccine is very effective.


According to Merck(you know the manufacturer) it is 96% effective.
WHich I concede is high, but depending on population size and margin of error leaves room for a lot of cases.

As I was vaccinated and di still get he measels(twice) and mumps.
I cant commnet on how effective it was.

Both of my measel outbreaks were extremely mild(that being the reason why the doctor said i got it more then once).

Also my mumps infection was very mild(I was told this is due to the partial immunity imparted by the vaccine--which makes perfect sense).

Etrusca---impotence? I have never heard that, sterility I have heard.

HERE--Looked these up.
FACT: Women may be at risk for spontaneous abortions if they get mumps during the first trimester of pregnancy.

FACT: About 2 out of every 4 adolescent or adult men who have mumps may experience painful swelling of the testicles. Sterility rarely occurs.

FACT: Rare complications caused by mumps include an infection of the brain (encephalitis) and inflammation of the covering of the brain and spinal cord (meningitis). Other rare complications include arthritis, kidney and pancreas problems, deafness, and inflammation of the thyroid gland and ovaries.

FACT: The incidence of mumps in adults has dropped dramatically due to the use of a second dose of measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine.

That annoys me to no end. In 98 there were case description in Lancet that suggested a connection between autism and the MMR vaccine. Since then, large cohort studies in the UK as well as Denmark have disproved this - there is no link between the MMR vaccine and autism. And there is no link between tiomersal (previously used preservative in the vaccine) and autism.

The evidence against the connection to autism was so compelling, one of the scientists behind the 98 article in Lancet went public and urged parents to vaccinate their children, as their original findings had been proved false. By 2004, 10 of the 13 authors had rescinded their "warning" of autism.

So the autism connection is bull.
Consider however Fass, how loud the cry was when there was a supposed danger, but how quite it was when the danger was found to be false.

Keep in mind that in the states, SAFE does not make the news.
So parents, are only acting on the information avialble to them as they perceive it.

Certainly if there as loud a cry to start vaccinating again because those other guys were wrong...people would be more inclined to do so....of course because of the Wolf Cry, there will be some who suppose this new batch of quacks is wrong too.

The Jin will go back in the bottle, fear is a difficult thing to stop.

According to Merck(you know the manufacturer) it is 96% effective.
WHich I concede is high, but depending on population size and margin of error leaves room for a lot of cases.

The thing is, when so many people are immune to such a degree, those who do not develop immunity are protected as well because they run a very, very low risk of being infected.

I was vaccinated and di still get he measels(twice) and mumps.
I cant commnet on how effective it was.

Both of my measel outbreaks were extremely mild(that being the reason why the doctor said i got it more then once).

Also my mumps infection was very mild(I was told this is due to the partial immunity imparted by the vaccine--which makes perfect sense).

Nothing is 100%. There are always individuals who do not respond to vaccines. For some reason they do not produce antibodies against the pathogen, not in the vaccine, nor if they are infected by it, which can cause problems diagnosing diseases like hepatitis B because you cannot detect antibodies against the virus (antibodies being what the HepB tests look for.)