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Perplexing Question

Naliitr
02-04-2006, 03:09
I have thought of something sometime ago. I find this to be a VERY perplexing question. You know those bags of infinite space they have in fantasy and sometimes sci-fi, that can hold any amount of objects? What would happen if one was torn open?
Secluded Islands
02-04-2006, 03:14
time would stop causing the universe to explode?
Norgopia
02-04-2006, 03:15
Chuck Norris would be able to escape.
Iztatepopotla
02-04-2006, 03:19
Oh, that's nothing, what happens when you turn one inside out? That's what I'd like to know.
Naliitr
02-04-2006, 03:23
Oh, that's nothing, what happens when you turn one inside out? That's what I'd like to know.
That's essentially the same thing I'm saying.
Ri-an
02-04-2006, 03:25
*Ahem*

The bags your referring to, are known as Bags of Holding, and ot all bags of holding come with infinite space. Anyways, If you were to rip one open, the contents inside would simply, come spilling out. Now, of course if your in a 10 foot cubed room, and you have 20 Feet cubed worth of stuff inside that bag, your either A, going to get crushed to death, B, the space your in is going to be blown apart, and you;ll escape with serious injuries, or if your lucky, minor or none at all. Then there's the third option, The space your in blows apart and you Die from Impact.

But let us then assume, it was an infinite bag containing a complete other universe. Then Secluded islands answer would be completly correct, for the universe inside the bag.

Let us assume however, that it can only hold 300 pounds of stuff. And that for one reason or another, you are transporting someone inside the bag. If They, or you, were to rip the tear cut slice or shred the bag, then yes, Norgopia would be correct, and Chuck norris would escape, or whomever else you were transporting.
Norgopia
02-04-2006, 03:25
Then space would be completely infinite and boundless.
Ri-an
02-04-2006, 03:26
That's essentially the same thing I'm saying.
My Answer applies to both. Pick up a D&D Dungeon masters Guide sometime, it'll explain it to you.
IL Ruffino
02-04-2006, 03:30
*tokes*

Hey man, it's this whole thing about specified limits of gravity and space man.. If the bag.. was like.. tore.. man.. the contents would like.. disappear.. man.

Lemme put it this way man, if the carrot isn't big enough.. the government bites the cheese.

Man.. you rock.

*goes off for B&J*
Gargantua City State
02-04-2006, 03:31
Don't ever EVER put a bag of holding in another bag of holding.
Or any other extra-dimensional item inside...
One word: Catastrophe.

Usually you just die... unless your DM takes advantage of your lack of knowledge about such things, and makes an adventure (or string of) out of it.
We had one girl new to RPing with us one adventure, and she stuck something bad inside a bag of holding. Tore apart the fabric of existence and dropped us on the Dark Sun world.
Heavy metal armour + blazing sun + dangerous environment = blistering paladin who may as well have a target painted on his back.
Naliitr
02-04-2006, 03:34
*tokes*

Hey man, it's this whole thing about specified limits of gravity and space man.. If the bag.. was like.. tore.. man.. the contents would like.. disappear.. man.

Lemme put it this way man, if the carrot isn't big enough.. the government bites the cheese.

Man.. you rock.

*goes off for B&J*

o_O

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
The Emperor Fenix
02-04-2006, 03:39
Pish !

As we all know Infinite Bags are supplied by K-Space, however as time progresses this K-Space is becoming increasingly difficult to access thus meaning that holding areas are becoming smaller.

If such a container were to be ripped open it would break and nothing would come out. It's a portal to another dimension, Phantasy Star Proves this.
IL Ruffino
02-04-2006, 03:42
o_O

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
Man... how do you not get that man??

Let me make this easier for you man.

If the big soft pretzle is not salted. The taxes on duct tap and bubble gum will go up, while birthday cards and short stories go down.

You better understand that one man..
Naliitr
02-04-2006, 03:42
Pish !

As we all know Infinite Bags are supplied by K-Space, however as time progresses this K-Space is becoming increasingly difficult to access thus meaning that holding areas are becoming smaller.

If such a container were to be ripped open it would break and nothing would come out. It's a portal to another dimension, Phantasy Star Proves this.
Well if its a portal to another dimension, wouldn't that dimension pour out onto the dimension of the person/thing/etc who ripped open the bag?
IL Ruffino
02-04-2006, 03:44
Pish !

As we all know Infinite Bags are supplied by K-Space, however as time progresses this K-Space is becoming increasingly difficult to access thus meaning that holding areas are becoming smaller.

If such a container were to be ripped open it would break and nothing would come out. It's a portal to another dimension, Phantasy Star Proves this.
:fluffle:

Smoke this shit mann..
Naliitr
02-04-2006, 03:44
Man... how do you not get that man??

Let me make this easier for you man.

If the big soft pretzle is not salted. The taxes on duct tap and bubble gum will go up, while birthday cards and short stories go down.

You better understand that one man..
o_O:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
The Emperor Fenix
02-04-2006, 03:44
No the portal is only in operation when summoning say a Caduseus or an Angel Harp, thusly when ripped it breaks an it becomes impossible to open the portal, also if it were to be ripped whilst summoning something it would break and the portal would close, given that theres no power to keep it open.
Naliitr
02-04-2006, 03:45
No the portal is only in operation when summoning say a Caduseus or an Angel Harp, thusly when ripped it breaks an it becomes impossible to open the portal, also if it were to be ripped whilst summoning something it would break and the portal would close, given that theres no power to keep it open.
Listen man, we're talking about D&D bags of infinite space, not PSO bags of space.
IL Ruffino
02-04-2006, 03:46
Well if its a portal to another dimension, wouldn't that dimension pour out onto the dimension of the person/thing/etc who ripped open the bag?
No. You would just lose that portal.
Vegas-Rex
02-04-2006, 03:47
Don't ever EVER put a bag of holding in another bag of holding.
Or any other extra-dimensional item inside...
One word: Catastrophe.

Usually you just die... unless your DM takes advantage of your lack of knowledge about such things, and makes an adventure (or string of) out of it.
We had one girl new to RPing with us one adventure, and she stuck something bad inside a bag of holding. Tore apart the fabric of existence and dropped us on the Dark Sun world.
Heavy metal armour + blazing sun + dangerous environment = blistering paladin who may as well have a target painted on his back.

3.5 rules just catapult you to the Astal plane.
Revnia
02-04-2006, 03:47
I have thought of something sometime ago. I find this to be a VERY perplexing question. You know those bags of infinite space they have in fantasy and sometimes sci-fi, that can hold any amount of objects? What would happen if one was torn open?

If you tore it it would simply dump out the stuff inside, now if you put it inside of a portable hole, thats a whole different affair.
Democratic Colonies
02-04-2006, 03:49
What would happen if you opened a bag of holding and stuck your head inside? What would you see?

:S
The Emperor Fenix
02-04-2006, 03:50
Listen man, we're talking about D&D bags of infinite space, not PSO bags of space.
Flim Flam the same theory applies, just because D&D is riddled with paradoxes doesnt mean it can't be solved with some cross platform reasoning.

After all bags of infinite space already have holes ripped into them, AT THE TOP !
IL Ruffino
02-04-2006, 03:51
o_O:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
Ohhhh mannnn..

My bad.

I meant.. If Colorado and New York were to switch.. they would both grow potatos. Therefore the guy with mono might be happy.

Come on man!

This is sooo much easier..
Fleckenstein
02-04-2006, 03:58
*Ahem*

The bags your referring to, are known as Bags of Holding, and ot all bags of holding come with infinite space. Anyways, If you were to rip one open, the contents inside would simply, come spilling out. Now, of course if your in a 10 foot cubed room, and you have 20 Feet cubed worth of stuff inside that bag, your either A, going to get crushed to death, B, the space your in is going to be blown apart, and you;ll escape with serious injuries, or if your lucky, minor or none at all. Then there's the third option, The space your in blows apart and you Die from Impact.

But let us then assume, it was an infinite bag containing a complete other universe. Then Secluded islands answer would be completly correct, for the universe inside the bag.

Let us assume however, that it can only hold 300 pounds of stuff. And that for one reason or another, you are transporting someone inside the bag. If They, or you, were to rip the tear cut slice or shred the bag, then yes, Norgopia would be correct, and Chuck norris would escape, or whomever else you were transporting.

what if the bag contained a cat?
then what would happen?
Naliitr
02-04-2006, 03:58
Flim Flam the same theory applies, just because D&D is riddled with paradoxes doesnt mean it can't be solved with some cross platform reasoning.

After all bags of infinite space already have holes ripped into them, AT THE TOP !
Actually, I heard something about the regular opening in which you stick your hand in to grab crap is like, magically protected or something so if you flip it upside down and its not closed, all the crap won't come falling out.
Naliitr
02-04-2006, 03:59
Ohhhh mannnn..

My bad.

I meant.. If Colorado and New York were to switch.. they would both grow potatos. Therefore the guy with mono might be happy.

Come on man!

This is sooo much easier..
Please explain it is normal English, not code.
Desperate Measures
02-04-2006, 04:08
I thought this was called Hammer Spacehttp://www.animeinfo.org/site_pics/hammergirls.jpg?

Anyway:

"Just as with any science, the physics of anime are a continually evolving field. There are many things that are no doubt being discovered or have yet to be explained by anime fans. Now that we've looked at some established physics trends in anime, we're going to look at something unexplained in the science of anime - that of a phenomenon called "Hammerspace", so named after Ranma 1/2's Akane Tendo and her ability to summon hammers and mallets - kind of like the ladies in the picture on the left. Hammerspace is an interesting occurrence that spans many anime, mostly comedic ones and has yet to be explained in any conclusive way as to the cause behind it.

The Hammerspace phenomenon is basically the ability for anime characters to be able to pull objects out of thin air, without any evidence of having said objects anywhere on their person. As the namesake says, this was first observed as a regular occurrence with Akane Tendo, who had an uncanny ability to have a mallet or hammer appear in her hand whenever she wanted to beat up her fiance, Ranma. The hammers appearing in the ladies' hands above are also similarly summoned. Hammerspace is the designated name for the mysterious place or dimension where these hidden objects reside. And hammers aren't the only things present in this invisible pocket dimension. Personal belongings, common objects such as tables, tea kettles and even weapons have been known to be pulled from this mysterious and still unknown space. Anime fans have been for years at a loss as to how Hammerspace has happened. And close observations of this strange occurrence have yielded no results as to what is behind it or what causes it to happen. Try watching your favorite anime next time and see how many times objects seem to be pulled into existence from thin air by your favorite characters. You'd be surprised at how many times it happens.

Let's look at a typical example. Here is the process of Katsuhito from Tenchi Muyo pulling a sword out from seemingly nowhere (there was no evidence of a large wooden sword in his clothes before this scene, either).



Sure, your first reaction might be "he had it hidden down his back or in a sheath somewhere", but this isn't the case. Katsuhito is wearing clothing that would definitely show if he had a sword tucked away on his back somewhere. Moreover, in the next scene, you see his grandson Tenchi pull out a sword as well - from a school uniform that is definitely not loose enough to hide a weapon without visible evidence. The fact that Katsuhito was able to pull a sword out means that he had it somewhere. But where? This is the mystery that is Hammerspace. Somehow, he accessed a hidden dimension somewhere and got what he needed. How this is, or why it happens are still mysteries left unexplained. Even more maddening is the fact that anime characters don't seem to make such a big deal out of this - and in fact, many of them access Hammerspace unknowingly, merely concentrating on what they need to get at the time. Maybe you have an explanation, but I sure as hell don't.

Now we've looked at the way physics works in anime, from the explainable to the mysterious, let's take a look behind the physics of anime and see some of the real reasons for the things that happen. We'll end the class with a more realistic look at the scientific wonders of anime and see why things are as they are. It's most definitely a lot easier to explain than in the real world, that's for sure."
http://www.animeinfo.org/animeu/phys101-p.html
IL Ruffino
02-04-2006, 04:09
Please explain it is normal English, not code.
:eek: :mad: :gundge:
The Emperor Fenix
02-04-2006, 04:18
Actually, I heard something about the regular opening in which you stick your hand in to grab crap is like, magically protected or something so if you flip it upside down and its not closed, all the crap won't come falling out.

Well itll be the fabric that holds the magic protecting the hole and thusly when this new whole is created it will be protected too.
Grape-eaters
02-04-2006, 04:27
:fluffle:

Smoke this shit mann..

Hey, could I get my head in on this?

Anyway,if that bag got tore open, an infinite vaccuum would pour into our universe, which would cause rips in the fabric of reality due to the massive pressures of infinite space on our finite universe. Then very, very baaaaaad creatures would come pouring through from Outside, and we'd all be fucked.
Ladamesansmerci
02-04-2006, 04:30
Hey, could I get my head in on this?

Anyway,if that bag got tore open, an infinite vaccuum would pour into our universe, which would cause rips in the fabric of reality due to the massive pressures of infinite space on our finite universe. Then very, very baaaaaad creatures would come pouring through from Outside, and we'd all be fucked.
like an infinite horde of horny teenage boys?
*shudder*
Grape-eaters
02-04-2006, 04:40
like an infinite horde of horny teenage boys?
*shudder*

Yeah. Could be. Could be anything in anyone's imagination. Or other things. I was thinking more like things like crosses between bicycles and two-headed anteaters.
Eutrusca
02-04-2006, 04:42
I have thought of something sometime ago. I find this to be a VERY perplexing question. You know those bags of infinite space they have in fantasy and sometimes sci-fi, that can hold any amount of objects? What would happen if one was torn open?
I not really sure, but I strongly suspect you would need to stand back ... WAY back! :D
Vetalia
02-04-2006, 04:48
I think it would simply close itself, because the magic that activates bags of holding is similar in practice to a portal; if you destroy the portal the magical spell is broken and it closes, most likely permanently.

It would seal itself off, and the link would be closed with no damage to anyone or anything other than the bag itself...although the contents would be permanently lost to the plane of deposit.

I just got an idea for a high-level campaign...retrieve the contents of a destroyed bag of holding from its deposit plane which happens to be an Outlands one with high level extraplanar creatures.
IL Ruffino
02-04-2006, 05:04
Hey, could I get my head in on this?
*passes bong made out of pringle can*
Grape-eaters
02-04-2006, 05:18
*passes bong made out of pringle can*

In to carpentry/McGyver style bong making? Thats cool. I know some people like that. Or you are just desperate as hell for something to smoke out of...but thats cool to.
Hey man, though, I appreciate that...just got some shit myself, thoguht I might offer you a hit.

*passes trippy-colors-type glass bong*
IL Ruffino
02-04-2006, 05:30
In to carpentry/McGyver style bong making? Thats cool. I know some people like that. Or you are just desperate as hell for something to smoke out of...but thats cool to.
Hey man, though, I appreciate that...just got some shit myself, thoguht I might offer you a hit.

*passes trippy-colors-type glass bong*
I am McGyver.

*takes trippy glass bong*
*lights up*
*exhales*
*grabs bong and runs like a mexican on the border*

VIVA LA BONG!
Grape-eaters
02-04-2006, 05:33
I am McGyver.

*takes trippy glass bong*
*lights up*
*exhales*
*grabs bong and runs like a mexican on the border*

VIVA LA BONG!

*Shouts, "Hey, man, guess what? I got yo' weed. Now come back and give me the bong, or I will be forced to drive a railroad spike through your cranium."*

*Hits pringle bong*

Way to go, McGyver. You should make a trippy alchemy/crazy cartoony science tingie bong with crazy ass glass with all sorts of twists and turns and strangely colored liquids bublling in some tubes.
IL Ruffino
02-04-2006, 05:46
*Shouts, "Hey, man, guess what? I got yo' weed. Now come back and give me the bong, or I will be forced to drive a railroad spike through your cranium."*

*Hits pringle bong*

Way to go, McGyver. You should make a trippy alchemy/crazy cartoony science tingie bong with crazy ass glass with all sorts of twists and turns and strangely colored liquids bublling in some tubes.
*mopes back*
Here :(

And taadaa: http://moroccancliffdivers.com/images/uploads/acrylic_ac1940.jpg
Grape-eaters
02-04-2006, 05:50
*mopes back*
Here :(

And taadaa: http://moroccancliffdivers.com/images/uploads/acrylic_ac1940.jpg

Thanks, man. Here's your shit back. I'd have given that back anyway. Jackin' a guy for his weed is just fucked up. However, no compunction about the railroad spike. Or skinning you alive and putting tarantulas on your flesh before sewing your skin back on...too bad I am fairly certain you would die before that would finish.

And I like the bong, way rad, but I am talking some hella huge, complex as fuck shit, Scooby Doo evil villain lab style. Like all the glassware looks like it was made by a glassblower with major hiccups.
IL Ruffino
02-04-2006, 06:20
https://secure.irie.tc/headsmoke/shopimages/products/normal/tgp-7_large.jpg

:p
Grape-eaters
02-04-2006, 06:25
https://secure.irie.tc/headsmoke/shopimages/products/normal/tgp-7_large.jpg

:p

Okay, that...that is fucking radical. I love it. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.

Sorry. But I keep laughing to myself over that. Dammit, now I REALLY want one of them...too bad I am broke and under 18...Oh well...sometime I'm just gonna get a shitload of money, buy a house, and turn one room into a giant bong. Because I can.
IL Ruffino
02-04-2006, 06:39
Okay, that...that is fucking radical. I love it. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.

Sorry. But I keep laughing to myself over that. Dammit, now I REALLY want one of them...too bad I am broke and under 18...Oh well...sometime I'm just gonna get a shitload of money, buy a house, and turn one room into a giant bong. Because I can.
My "herb" room will have uber cool secret entrences.
Grape-eaters
02-04-2006, 06:44
My "herb" room will have uber cool secret entrences.

And big locks? See, though, mine will be on the bottom floor of a two story house, basically one room with all the walls/floor covered with glass. on the second floor, a room directly above, with a big ass hole for a carb that one has to lay on to cover it fully, and a giant bowl that holds...I dunno, probably a kilo.

Note: the hole is used to fill the "Bong room" with water, and you just have to be careful to make sure no one falls in. In fact, hang a rope ladder on the inside of the hole, in case of accidents.
IL Ruffino
02-04-2006, 06:58
And big locks? See, though, mine will be on the bottom floor of a two story house, basically one room with all the walls/floor covered with glass. on the second floor, a room directly above, with a big ass hole for a carb that one has to lay on to cover it fully, and a giant bowl that holds...I dunno, probably a kilo.

Note: the hole is used to fill the "Bong room" with water, and you just have to be careful to make sure no one falls in. In fact, hang a rope ladder on the inside of the hole, in case of accidents.
:eek: :eek: :eek:

Can I come over when this is built?
Grape-eaters
02-04-2006, 07:07
:eek: :eek: :eek:

Can I come over when this is built?

Hahahah. Yes, of course. Maybe you can help throw down on the kilo? Besides, I'm gonna need like sixteen people with torch liters to roast that bowl. And the thing is gonna have like 6 or 7 hoses for people to hit off of. Maybe more.
IL Ruffino
02-04-2006, 07:40
Hahahah. Yes, of course. Maybe you can help throw down on the kilo? Besides, I'm gonna need like sixteen people with torch liters to roast that bowl. And the thing is gonna have like 6 or 7 hoses for people to hit off of. Maybe more.
Make the bottom half a crematory! I'll donate money to the cause.
Grape-eaters
02-04-2006, 07:54
Make the bottom half a crematory! I'll donate money to the cause.

Good plan. It will have many uses, I assure you...*evil laugh*

Finally, I can accomplish my goal of destroying others while enjoying my favorite hobby!!!!

man, my house will have some fancy-ass locks. Don't want anybody to fuck up my shit. I am tyalking fingerprint/retinal scanner status here.