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Since the first day I came here, I've read bad things about Hispanics, or as some of you call them 'Latinos.' I was just wondering why those of who do dislike them do, we're good people you know.

Another thing is, we're expected to immediatly love the US when we move here, and give up loyalty to our own country. That's like saying that women MUST take their husband's last name once they marry.

I'm not trying to cause a huge fight, just wondering.

Simple... Simple man.

Since the first day I came here, I've read bad things about Hispanics, or as some of you call them 'Latinos.' I was just wondering why those of who do dislike them do, we're good people you know.

Another thing is, we're expected to immediatly love the US when we move here, and give up loyalty to our own country. That's like saying that women MUST take their husband's last name once they marry.

I'm not trying to cause a huge fight, just wondering.
Because, like muslims, they seem to be an easy target.

Since the first day I came here, I've read bad things about Hispanics, or as some of you call them 'Latinos.' I was just wondering why those of who do dislike them do, we're good people you know.

Another thing is, we're expected to immediatly love the US when we move here, and give up loyalty to our own country. That's like saying that women MUST take their husband's last name once they marry.

I'm not trying to cause a huge fight, just wondering.
The problem is that there are many immigrants who enter the US and by their actions they discredit the Latino community.
They not only cross in the US illegally but they deliberately break our other laws, like no killing, no drugs, no rape, no driving without a license, etc.
Then they think they have the right to force us to speak spanish just to get jobs on our own soil.

That is part of what has Americans up in such a quandary.

Because, like muslims, they seem to be an easy target.
And because, like all foreigners, they smell.
And if anyone thinks I'm serious with that statement...
Seriously, what's this guy on about? I've never seen anything against hispanic people on NS. Is this like the whole "NS is a Nazi Haven" thing from a while back?

is the singular of hispanics, hepanics.
because i am panicing about my essays, but i wouldnt class myself ..........

sorry this is just the worst attempt at humour.

some one kill me now.
or write my essay of the Zapatistas of mexico.

this is spam

I don't. My cousins are Mexican. Puerto Rican girls = HOT!

There way cooler than us white people, I'll tell you that. Almost every hispanic person I met was kick-ass.

I think it's fair that you should be expected to love a country you choose to migrate to. Aside from that, I agree. I don't dislike them.

Naw, he's right - I've seen all sorts of the usual dullards and louts spouting off negatively about Hispanic people on these forums. I just usually choose not to get involved 'cause it's just not worth validating the bile and vitriol these knuckle-walkers espouse by acknowledging it unduly.

And because, like all foreigners, they smell.

And they're predominantly dangerous alcoholics.

Not really, but most foreigners do smell.

Why do you call them Hispanics? Most of the Latinos I know are from Mexico and regard being called 'hispanic' as an insult.

Since the first day I came here, I've read bad things about Hispanics, or as some of you call them 'Latinos.' I was just wondering why those of who do dislike them do, we're good people you know.

Another thing is, we're expected to immediatly love the US when we move here, and give up loyalty to our own country. That's like saying that women MUST take their husband's last name once they marry.

I'm not trying to cause a huge fight, just wondering.

Let me guess. You've seen one of Kievan-Prussia's threads...

Or you're his puppet.

And they're predominantly dangerous alcoholics.

Not really, but most foreigners do smell.

North Carolina - my girlfriend used to live there on a military base. Who would she constantly find going double the speed limit and harassing women on the street, driving drunk and shouting at people? Hispanics.

I'm not saying this means all hispanics are like that - far from it. I'm just saying that there's a -reason- some people have this idea in their head. There are a lot of idiots that give the entire race a bad name. It's like that for every race, just in different places.

Just illegal ones. And anyway why would someone still be loyal to their old country if it was bad enough to make them leave? Just because I want tighter imigration laws doesn't make me a racist.

Why do you call them Hispanics? Most of the Latinos I know are from Mexico and regard being called 'hispanic' as an insult.

I thought it was no different to calling Europeans Caucasian and Asians Mongoloid. Isn't it their ethnic background?

Around here they're scumbags.

yeh, for anyone not paying attention, the whole illegal immigrant thing has been getting a lot of attention lately and a lot of rascist attitudes are shown there... not all but it's happening. Anyways i think you'll find most people here to be reasonable, but the recent issues being discussed lend themsleves to supremisist attitudes.

and, singular version...hispanish?

And because, like all foreigners, they smell.
And if anyone thinks I'm serious with that statement...
Seriously, what's this guy on about? I've never seen anything against hispanic people on NS. Is this like the whole "NS is a Nazi Haven" thing from a while back?
Where the fuck have you been? It's no wheres near as bad as the muslim thing, but they do get bashed tones.

First of all, I'm a girl, but I don't know if there's a setting on this forum that tells my gender.

Second, I am Hispanic and I consider Latino an insult and so does my Mexican friend Celia who says that we don't smell!

First of all, I'm a girl, but I don't know if there's a setting on this forum that tells my gender.

Second, I am Hispanic and I consider Latino an insult and so does my Mexican friend Celia who says that we don't smell!
First, telling NSer's that you are female is generally a bad idea until you get a few thousand posts and earn some respect.

Second,

umm.... i'll just note, i'm mexican and i don't consider latino to be derogatory. As far as i know it comes from the region of latin america and i think that's a fair description for anyone whose ancestry hails from the region. Hispanic on the other hand refers to some sort of spanish bloodline, which you don't have to have to be from the areas, so i see latino as more inclusive.

First, telling NSer's that you are female is generally a bad idea until you get a few thousand posts and earn some respect.

Second,
Not to be rude, but why is it a bad idea?

North Carolina - my girlfriend used to live there on a military base. Who would she constantly find going double the speed limit and harassing women on the street, driving drunk and shouting at people? Hispanics.

I'm not saying this means all hispanics are like that - far from it. I'm just saying that there's a -reason- some people have this idea in their head. There are a lot of idiots that give the entire race a bad name. It's like that for every race, just in different places.
yeah thats what my neice thought

she was living in arizona and thought hispanic men were pootinky

then she moved to new mexico and ended up only dating hispanic men. now she has just celelbrated her 8th anniverary married to an hispanic

First of all, I'm a girl, but I don't know if there's a setting on this forum that tells my gender.

Second, I am Hispanic and I consider Latino an insult and so does my Mexican friend Celia who says that we don't smell!

*shrugs* Say that to the Puerto Rican guy who gets called Mexican, or the guy from Portugal who also gets called a Mexican.

We can't tell where you're from, so we made a generalized term for the entire race - we don't call black people from South Africa differently than we call them when they're from America, we just call them black, because it just makes it easier. None of them gets pissed off because we got their nation wrong, and it makes things easier on everyone.

Hispanic is to Mexican as white is to Dutch/German/Swedish. We also did the same thing with asians - just "asian" works perfectly fine. We're not gonna call them "yellow", because A: it's two syllables and nobody wants to spend that much time calling someone a generalization, B: because it's got a slang definiton already in place, as "chicken", or "coward", and C: because we've already picked their generalization to be "asian".

It's just easier. Get over it.

From what I've observed, Latino/Latina are, far from being derogatory, the terms usually associated with racial pride. Like Romani for the gypsies. The only times I've seen them used by non-Latinos is when they attempt to be PC.

I consider it that way, because every time I hear someone say 'Latino' they use it in an offensive manner.

Prejudice against an entire race is ignorance at its worst. I've met wonderfully astute latinos and complete morons, outgoing and shy, humble and arrogant. It's about the individual. Also, the loyalty of a citizen should be earned by that country, not given blindly. Don't expect someone to immediately love the United States, especially under the current administration.

Not to be rude, but why is it a bad idea?
This forum is full of single male nerds that will complement any women they see until her ego explodes, likely in order to make her like him. When she has a few more posts, people know that her like list is pretty well defined and let her ego rest.

I don't care about racial matters (the closes I get is noting "tourist" vs "local"), but I do think it rather odd that you feel a sense of nationalism for a country that you ran from. On the other hand, recent (like 1st or 2nd generation) immigrants who complain about immigrants are also really weird, and I'm not sure which extreme makes me feel more uncomfortable.

Prejudice against an entire race is ignorance at its worst. I've met wonderfully astute latinos and complete morons, outgoing and shy, humble and arrogant. It's about the individual. Also, the loyalty of a citizen should be earned by that country, not given blindly. Don't expect someone to immediately love the United States, especially under the current administration.

If you choose to migrate somewhere, you should at least support the country you migrate to. Why would you migrate somewhere you don't like?

I don't know why we argue whether or not hispanic or latino is offensive, because last time I checked we have the right to free speech, but not the right never to be offended.

We all just need to be able to laugh at ourselves.


My ToK class had an arguement over the legality of immigration. And I lost to the pinkos who make up the IB class, but my argument is I don't care who comes in, as long as they do it legally, learn the language (I didn't say adopt it, but learn it), and then get a job.

The pinkos found it easier to tax me (Most don't have jobs, thus don't pay taxes; I did, but I quit recently...still had to pay last year's taxes) then give all of it to illegal immigrints so they can send their kids to Harvard.

Who doesn't like Hispanics?

I'm not saying that you have to dislike where you migrate to, but I heard someone on here say that if they show support for their own country, why don't they just stay there? This is incredibly stupid on my part, as I love Colombia, but I live here because of the economic situation there, but that doesn't mean I have to dislike it.

Since the first day I came here, I've read bad things about Hispanics, or as some of you call them 'Latinos.' I was just wondering why those of who do dislike them do, we're good people you know.

Another thing is, we're expected to immediatly love the US when we move here, and give up loyalty to our own country. That's like saying that women MUST take their husband's last name once they marry.

I'm not trying to cause a huge fight, just wondering.

I like everyone, except myself. :D

If you choose to migrate somewhere, you should at least support the country you migrate to. Why would you migrate somewhere you don't like?
a) Not all people can afford that.
b) Sometimes the 'bad' country they are immigrating to is better than the one they came from.

If you choose to migrate somewhere, you should at least support the country you migrate to. Why would you migrate somewhere you don't like?

Umm.. economics? Or better health care options? Not free healthcare i mean but just better trained people...they'd still have to pay for the services. It is entirely possible given the range that governments have, to like certain aspects of a country enough to move there but to still dislike the government.

This forum is full of single male nerds that will complement any women they see until her ego explodes, likely in order to make her like him. When she has a few more posts, people know that her like list is pretty well defined and let her ego rest.

That's not true! On a completely unrelated topic Awsome-ville 2 has beutiful eyes. If I could see them.

If you choose to migrate somewhere, you should at least support the country you migrate to. Why would you migrate somewhere you don't like?

If you haven't noticed, there are a lot of problems in certain latin countries at the moment. For instance, Colombia is in a complete wreck. They recently struggled through a deep recession and are in a very delicate state, with widespread anti-government insurgency funded by the drug trade. It's no wonder people are packing up their bags, but that doesn't mean they have to abandon the love they have for their country, or to adopt their new one with blind nationalism.

I thought it was no different to calling Europeans Caucasian and Asians Mongoloid. Isn't it their ethnic background?
The Ethnicity is Latino, Hispanic refers specifically to people from Spain

Thank you! This is what I've been trying to say all along.

Since the first day I came here, I've read bad things about Hispanics, or as some of you call them 'Latinos.' I was just wondering why those of who do dislike them do, we're good people you know.

Another thing is, we're expected to immediatly love the US when we move here, and give up loyalty to our own country. That's like saying that women MUST take their husband's last name once they marry.

I'm not trying to cause a huge fight, just wondering.

I don't dislike them personally, It's just the current situation is insulting. I don't think they should have basicly the right to demand that they allow people to break the laws to enter the country. Also I hate it because at the same time they go on on how they are proud to be from Mexico. All I can think is, This is the US, not Mexico, I you really loved Mexico you'd go back and try to make it a better country. That would be like me saying, "I"m proud to be a native from *Insert European country* because some people Generations in my past immigrated from Europe.

What I'm not liking is the fact that they're bragging about a country they Abandoned to come here. Basicly it's a sort of Treason to leave your country to never return, it means you gave up on it.

You make an obviously erroneous assumption (as indicated by most of the posts in this thread) when you ask why most of us hate Hispanics.

I work with a large number of Mexican immigrants and find them all to be clean, intelligent and hard-working (so much for negative stereotypes). They are all working on their citizenship(s). They all came in legally. The quibble I have is with those who come in illegally, not because they are "leeching off the system" (most of them are working jobs most of you wouldn't do), but because they are undercutting the hard work of those immigrants (Mexican and otherwise) who came in legally and are working with an admittedly difficult system to improve their lives.

I've returned to Colombia, and some people can't return, like my second cousin who still hasn't recieved her citizenship and has lived here for twenty years!

Umm.. economics? Or better health care options? Not free healthcare i mean but just better trained people...they'd still have to pay for the services. It is entirely possible given the range that governments have, to like certain aspects of a country enough to move there but to still dislike the government.

Then you should be grateful to the country for providing better healthcare or a better standard of living. I never said you had to like the government, just the country. There's a difference.

If you haven't noticed, there are a lot of problems in certain latin countries at the moment. For instance, Colombia is in a complete wreck. They recently struggled through a deep recession and are in a very delicate state, with widespread anti-government insurgency funded by the drug trade. It's no wonder people are packing up their bags, but that doesn't mean they have to abandon the love they have for their country, or to adopt their new one with blind nationalism.

It's possible to support two countries at once, and you can support a country without being blindly nationalistic.

I don't dislike them personally, It's just the current situation is insulting. I don't think they should have basicly the right to demand that they allow people to break the laws to enter the country. Also I hate it because at the same time they go on on how they are proud to be from Mexico. All I can think is, This is the US, not Mexico, I you really loved Mexico you'd go back and try to make it a better country. That would be like me saying, "I"m proud to be a native from *Insert European country* because some people Generations in my past immigrated from Europe.

What I'm not liking is the fact that they're bragging about a country they Abandoned to come here. Basicly it's a sort of Treason to leave your country to never return, it means you gave up on it.

Sometimes you can do more good on the sidelines instead of being in the fray. There are millions of people from Latin countries working their asses off on American soil and sending it back to support their families.

The Ethnicity is Latino, Hispanic refers specifically to people from Spain
no

it refers to anyone born with a spanish surname or of spanish decent (including those of latin american decent as long as they have some spanish ancestry)

there was a commisson set up in the nixon administration (or the carter or the reagan, who can remember) just to decide what term to use for those people in the US who are of spanish or latin american heritage.

hispanic is the term they chose.

no

it refers to anyone born with a spanish surname or of spanish decent (including those of latin american decent as long as they have some spanish ancestry)

there was a commisson set up in the nixon administration (or the carter or the reagan, who can remember) just to decide what term to use for those people in the US who are of spanish or latin american heritage.

hispanic is the term they chose.

A reference to Hispaniola. One of the Islands that Columbus' men settled on his first visit.

Hispanic is the ethnicity. Latino is a slang term.

I don't dislike them personally, It's just the current situation is insulting. I don't think they should have basicly the right to demand that they allow people to break the laws to enter the country. Also I hate it because at the same time they go on on how they are proud to be from Mexico. All I can think is, This is the US, not Mexico, I you really loved Mexico you'd go back and try to make it a better country. That would be like me saying, "I"m proud to be a native from *Insert European country* because some people Generations in my past immigrated from Europe.

What I'm not liking is the fact that they're bragging about a country they Abandoned to come here. Basicly it's a sort of Treason to leave your country to never return, it means you gave up on it.

Umm... Octoberfest anyone? People are regularly proud to be from European decent. Just because you're proud of your decent doesn't mean you can't love your country as well.

And also, a lot of immigrants go back to Mexico, they have families there and only come here to gain an income and provide for said families. Just because they can't get decent jobs in their country doesn't mean they don't try to fix it or love it.

I dont hate ALL hispanic's. If they come here Legally then I will accept them. If they come here by breaking U.S laws then I get really Mad. hose Illegal Amegos are ruining the foundation of America. We need to rally the Law Breakers up and ship them back to Mexico. Im tired of those idiots coming here acting like leeches and taking are jobs/ We need to build the "Great Wall of TEXAS,ARIZONA,NEW MEXICO' then they will stop comming.

And dont get me started about thos Latinos waving non-U.S flags on American Soil! Its Un Patrotic and they deserve to be deported immedilty.
Any one who hate the Minutemen ought of be ashamed!

I don't hate Hispanics, and I definitely don't hate illegal immigrants. If anything, I'm concerned for them because it is so easy to take advantage of their labor and pay them substandard wages with no alternatives due to their illegal status.

However, when you immigrate to a new country loyalty to that new nation comes first and then to your nation of origin. By allowing you to immigrate freely and establish yourself in the new nation, it is perfectly reasonable that they should expect you to by loyal to that nation first rather than your old one.

I'm not trying to cause a huge fight, just wondering.

I have a daughter who is 1/2 Chicana. I loves me the brownseses.

Then you should be grateful to the country for providing better healthcare or a better standard of living. I never said you had to like the government, just the country. There's a difference.

Yes there is, but the majority of protests going on are against the governemnts policy, restrictive immigration policys and such. I think most immigrants are grateful for these things, but they'd like the opportunity to be open for more people to come here and have these chances as well.

They're simply a liabilty to the country. They are unproductive, for the most part.

I dont hate ALL hispanic's. If they come here Legally then I will accept them. If they come here by breaking U.S laws then I get really Mad. hose Illegal Amegos are ruining the foundation of America. We need to rally the Law Breakers up and ship them back to Mexico. Im tired of those idiots coming here acting like leeches and taking are jobs/ We need to build the "Great Wall of TEXAS,ARIZONA,NEW MEXICO' then they will stop comming.

And dont get me started about thos Latinos waving non-U.S flags on American Soil! Its Un Patrotic and they deserve to be deported immedilty.
Any one who hate the Minutemen ought of be ashamed!

I can't decide if that was meant as a joke or not, usually i'd say yes, but the amount of posts like this in other threads make me doubt it.

How in the world are they ruining the base of America when they take jobs no other American would? How are they leeches when most of them are highly productive for low wages? How is showing ethnic pride something to get upset about?

They're simply a liabilty to the country. They are unproductive, for the most part.

Fuck you.

(sorry mods)

They're simply a liabilty to the country. They are unproductive, for the most part.

Absolutely not. The Hispanic population in the US has the highest labor participation rate and highest employment-labor ratio, higher than both blacks and whites. They are a productive segment of society that generates considerable economic wealth and produces tax income for the US as well as provides a pool of younger workers to replace retirees and aging boomers.

They're simply a liabilty to the country. They are unproductive, for the most part.

Being stuck in a low-paying, dead-end job doesn't equate to unproductiveness.

I don't hate Hispanics, and I definitely don't hate illegal immigrants. If anything, I'm concerned for them because it is so easy to take advantage of their labor and pay them substandard wages with no alternatives due to their illegal status.

However, when you immigrate to a new country loyalty to that new nation comes first and then to your nation of origin. By allowing you to immigrate freely and establish yourself in the new nation, it is perfectly reasonable that they should expect you to by loyal to that nation first rather than your old one.

Thank you, that's usually a point overlooked in these debates. And yes they should be loyal, but that doesn't mean they can't criticize policy they disagree with. Especially the latinos who are here legally but are advocates for ones who might not be. Dissent does not break the bonds of loyalty...in fact i'd argue it shows their loyalty because they are concerned enough about their new country to become passionate about its policy.

Most in the forum don't hate hispanics (or latinos, whatever, the term is unimportant as it's simply a bracket created by the census bureau of the United States to classify the people born in America but outside the United States, and their descendants, and who could be white, black, red, brown, or anything in between, and without having to call them Americans, which would be the proper term) it's just that you joined at a moment when immigration laws are being discussed in the US. That's why it looks that way.

However, when you immigrate to a new country loyalty to that new nation comes first and then to your nation of origin. By allowing you to immigrate freely and establish yourself in the new nation, it is perfectly reasonable that they should expect you to by loyal to that nation first rather than your old one.

Why be loyal to any nation on the basis of residency? Why be loyal to any nation at all, for that matter?

Why be loyal to any nation on the basis of residency?

It's important to be loyal to whom you pay rent.



































;)

However, when you immigrate to a new country loyalty to that new nation comes first and then to your nation of origin.

What about your family?

Sorry ... I have a simple loyalty scale:

1] Allah
2] My Wife
3] My Children
4] Texas
5] The United States

In that order.

As you can see, the US - even though it's my country of birth - comes 5th on the scale. If that makes me "unamerican", good luck kicking me out.

It's important to be loyal to whom you pay rent.
<snippage>
All that white space and no hiddent text? For shame, Keru, for shame.

The Ethnicity is Latino, Hispanic refers specifically to people from Spain

Incorrect.

Hispanic
2 entries found for Hispanic.
To select an entry, click on it.

Main Entry: His·pan·ic
Pronunciation: hi-'spa-nik
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin hispanicus, from Hispania Iberian Peninsula, Spain
: of, relating to, or being a person of Latin American descent living in the U.S.; especially : one of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin
- Hispanic noun
- His·pan·i·cism /-'spa-n&-"si-z&m/ noun
- His·pan·i·cist /-sist/ noun
- His·pan·i·cize /-"sIz/ transitive verb

What about your family?

Sorry ... I have a simple loyalty scale:

1] Allah
2] My Wife
3] My Children
4] Texas
5] The United States

In that order.

As you can see, the US - even though it's my country of birth - comes 5th on the scale. If that makes me "unamerican", good luck kicking me out.

First in the "Nation" category...my loyalties are definitely not nation-first. :p

Why be loyal to any nation on the basis of residency? Why be loyal to any nation at all, for that matter?

I'm loyal to the people of my nation, not the government. The things I support are the ones that are best for myself and others in the US, and the things I oppose are the ones that are negative for us.

As you can see, the US - even though it's my country of birth - comes 5th on the scale. If that makes me "unamerican", good luck kicking me out.
The black vans and helicopters are on their way as we speak, don't you worry.

All that white space and no hiddent text? For shame, Keru, for shame.

That space was there to appease the honkey.

The black vans and helicopters are on their way as we speak, don't you worry.

My c-4 vest and 70 virgins are ready.

Bring it on!!

My c-4 vest and 70 virgins are ready.
Sorry, but Lupita called earlier and says she can't make it today. And Lucita says she doesn't qualify anymore since... erm... last night, apparently.

"I think it's fair that you should be expected to love a country you choose to migrate to."

"And they're predominantly dangerous alcoholics."

"And anyway why would someone still be loyal to their old country if it was bad enough to make them leave? Just because I want tighter imigration laws doesn't make me a racist."

"I don't care about racial matters (the closes I get is noting "tourist" vs "local"), but I do think it rather odd that you feel a sense of nationalism for a country that you ran from. On the other hand, recent (like 1st or 2nd generation) immigrants who complain about immigrants are also really weird, and I'm not sure which extreme makes me feel more uncomfortable."

"If you choose to migrate somewhere, you should at least support the country you migrate to. Why would you migrate somewhere you don't like?"

"They're simply a liabilty to the country. They are unproductive, for the most part."

I've worked since my sophmore year in high school. I have been a teacher for seven years. I don't drink and there isn't anyone I know who drinks to excess. I was born in NYC and even if I were not, I'd STILL be American.

What a load of ignorant crap. It's like saying all Germans are Nazis, all Italians are in the Mafia, all Chinese are in Tongs...

Thanks for making yourselves look far more ridiculous than I ever could.

I'm loyal to the people of my nation, not the government. The things I support are the ones that are best for myself and others in the US, and the things I oppose are the ones that are negative for us.

Well, that's a start. I knew you weren't a statist, at least when not plotting your future dictatorship.

But why stop there? What about Mexicans, or Iraqis, or Chinese? Why be more loyal to Americans than to them, simply because of where you happen to live?

And what does changing your geographic location have to do with changing your moral loyalties?

Sorry, but Lupita called earlier and says she can't make it today. And Lucita says she doesn't qualify anymore since... erm... last night, apparently.

¡Mierda! Fine ... *goes to smoke some weed instead*

Well, that's a start. I knew you weren't a statist, at least when not plotting your future dictatorship.

For now...:eek:

But why stop there? What about Mexicans, or Iraqis, or Chinese? Why be more loyal to Americans than to them, simply because of where you happen to live?

Those people are closer to me and have a larger effect on me individually, and they are the ones that elect the politicians that make the decisions that affect the rest of the world. However, being a globalist I take international considerations

And what does changing your geographic location have to do with changing your moral loyalties?

Usually, there isn't a conflict. However, there are times where loyalty to another group or nation might cause harm and/or economic difficulties to people in your new nation...and there are times when your new nation might do the same.

Los muchos de americanos no tienen gusto de hispanos porque piensan que estamos siendo groseros no hablando "verdad lengua americana".

I've worked since my sophmore year in high school. I have been a teacher for seven years. I don't drink and there isn't anyone I know who drinks to excess. I was born in NYC and even if I were not, I'd STILL be American.
Hey, before you attack me, allow me to point out that I wasn't refering to "racial" bounds, but matters of "nationality." If you aren't a first generation immigrant who wants to lock the door after you, or who prefers their home over here, then my comment doesn't apply to you at all.
What a load of ignorant crap. It's like saying all Germans are Nazis, all Italians are in the Mafia, all Chinese are in Tongs...

Thanks for making yourselves look far more ridiculous than I ever could.
Would you feel better if I chopped off my pinky finger and sent it to you in an envelope?

Would you feel better if I chopped off my pinky finger and sent it to you in an envelope?

I wonder what the postage rate on that would be ...

I wonder what the postage rate on that would be ...
I'm supposed to have my Boss deliver it to hers (or her, if she is a Boss). However, since we're not Yakuza, she'll just have to settle for a bicycle messenger.

this is of course getting on my last nerve

so many people posting as if the majority of hispanic people in the US are illegal aliens, as if most hispanic people in the US were born in mexico, as if most hispanic people in the US identify more as mexicans than as americans, as if there havent been hispanic people living in what is now the united states since before there WAS a united states.

as if there arent educated hispanics, as if there arent rich hispanics, as if there were tens of thouands of hispanics serving in iraq and afghanistan, as if there arent hispanic business owners all over this country.

when the topic is HISPANICS and all you can talk about is illegal aliens, maybe you need to wake up and take a good look around you.

this is of course getting on my last nerve <snippage>


A-absolutely-fuckin'-men!

this is of course getting on my last nerve

so many people posting as if the majority of hispanic people in the US are illegal aliens, as if most hispanic people in the US were born in mexico, as if most hispanic people in the US identify more as mexicans than as americans, as if there havent been hispanic people living in what is now the united states since before there WAS a united states.

as if there arent educated hispanics, as if there arent rich hispanics, as if there were tens of thouands of hispanics serving in iraq and afghanistan, as if there arent hispanic business owners all over this country.

when the topic is HISPANICS and all you can talk about is illegal aliens, maybe you need to wake up and take a good look around you.
You know most of the posts in this thread that I have seen have pretty much prefaced themselves with I don't have a problem with Hispanics, except for the ones that fall into the categories you describe. Honestly there have only been a handfull of whack jobs in this thread that tried to claim that those traits you mentioned were representative of all hispanic. So why are you reacting like most poster are attacking those here legaly that are conributing to socity?

when the topic is HISPANICS and all you can talk about is illegal aliens, maybe you need to wake up and take a good look around you.
The topic isn't Hispanics, the topic is what you perceive as a hostility against Hispanics. As such, the references to illegal aliens are made as an attempt to explain why you would perceive this hostility, such as my own bit about immigrants (which I would have brought up if you changed "Hispanic" to "asian", "italian", "Irish", etc).
If I didn't comment on immigrants, then I couldn't comment at all, and my poor little post count would languish away somewhere in the quadruple digits.

If I didn't comment on immigrants, then I couldn't comment at all, and my poor little post count would languish away somewhere in the quadruple digits.

You know .... my grandfather is an illegal immigrant from Ireland. Never got a SSN, never took the oath, but since he's white ... well ...

*shrug*

+1

to turn a phrase

if the shoe doesnt fit, dont wear it.

Since the first day I came here, I've read bad things about Hispanics, or as some of you call them 'Latinos.' I was just wondering why those of who do dislike them do, we're good people you know.

Another thing is, we're expected to immediatly love the US when we move here, and give up loyalty to our own country. That's like saying that women MUST take their husband's last name once they marry.
Strange. I don't know anyone on here who "dislikes Hispanics." Perhaps you've taken a poll or something? :confused:

I would hardly call changing national allegience equivalent to requiring a woman to take her husband's last name, unless you were saying that you somehow intended to f**k us all! :D

I personnaly have to admire anyone willing to leave their home, their country and their native language to travel to another country where there's a different language and different customs, so they can earn a bit of money to send back to their family. That's admirable, IMHO.

You know .... my grandfather is an illegal immigrant from Ireland. Never got a SSN, never took the oath, but since he's white ... well ...

*shrug*

+1
But ... but, that means that you are ... what? A third generation illegal?? :eek:

to turn a phrase

if the shoe doesnt fit, dont wear it.
Um ... can I help you try on some shoes ... legs? :D

My c-4 vest and 70 virgins are ready.

Bring it on!!

I never thought about that before, but... what if you're married, in love, and you get to heaven (keep in mind, this is the muslim heaven), and Allah greets you going "Good life, dude. Here's your 73 virgins!" ".. But I'm married, and I love my wife! What the hell am I going to do with 73 virgins?"

Really, what?

I never thought about that before, but... what if you're married, in love, and you get to heaven (keep in mind, this is the muslim heaven), and Allah greets you going "Good life, dude. Here's your 73 virgins!" ".. But I'm married, and I love my wife! What the hell am I going to do with 73 virgins?"

Really, what?
How dare you interperet the religion of Islam in such a way. A true muslim would never think of ravishing all those virgins (married or not), but would instead play wholesome family games (like pin the tail on the Jew and Risk) for the whole of an eternity. Maybe if he were feeling particularly frisky, they might make kabobs and play Poker, but that is the full extent of their debauchery.
You filthy Westerners and your filthy western orgy-obssessed minds. Always thinking about . . . . young, nubile women . . . with . . . 70 of . . . *drools*
Wait, I think I drifted off for a moment there, where was I? Oh yes, you Westerners are a bunch of filthy sick perverts. Now, I must go to the bathroom to, um, think. Yes . . . think.

How dare you interperet the religion of Islam in such a way. A true muslim would never think of ravishing all those virgins (married or not), but would instead play wholesome family games (like pin the tail on the Jew and Risk) for the whole of an eternity. Maybe if he were feeling particularly frisky, they might make kabobs and play Poker, but that is the full extent of their debauchery.
You filthy Westerners and your filthy western orgy-obssessed minds. Always thinking about . . . . young, nubile women . . . with . . . 70 of . . . *drools*
Wait, I think I drifted off for a moment there, where was I? Oh yes, you Westerners are a bunch of filthy sick perverts. Now, I must go to the bathroom to, um, think. Yes . . . think.

Actually, that's another thing. Do they actually specify what age the virgins are? Even still, what gender? Dark-haired virgin MALES, maybe? Maybe they're ugly! Maybe that's why they're virgins!

It's just very vague, as I've seen it. Maybe someone here who's studied it more thoroughly could explain it better.

*bump*

I'm sure someone knows more about this than I do, and I'm really curious about this...

*bump*

I'm sure someone knows more about this than I do, and I'm really curious about this...

:(

I'll tell you that. Almost every hispanic person I met was kick-ass.

It's from all of the soccer they play, real strong legs, so they kick asses real hard.

Oh that's not what you meant...

Actually, that's another thing. Do they actually specify what age the virgins are? Even still, what gender? Dark-haired virgin MALES, maybe? Maybe they're ugly! Maybe that's why they're virgins!

It's just very vague, as I've seen it. Maybe someone here who's studied it more thoroughly could explain it better.


It's a joke. The 70 Virgins thing is a Western myth about Islam. There is no promise of virgins in Qu'ran.

But ... but, that means that you are ... what? A third generation illegal?? :eek:

Yeah .... but only 1/4th illegal. :D The other three grandparents were legals: 1 immigrant, and 2 non-immigrants.

Well, they've come here to contaminate our pure Aryan bloodlines with their brownness, for one. They also steal our jobs while simutaneously living on welfare because they're all really lazy. They have a compulsive desire to commit crime, too. Surely you know that, unless you're one of those commies like John Kerry or Bill Clinton that want to undermine our proud, pure culture by replacing our proud traditions of gluttony, beer, and country music with sex, drugs, and rock and roll.

Actually, I don't have a problem with Hispanics. If Americans can't compete with them, it's just evolution in action when you get down to it.

Since the first day I came here, I've read bad things about Hispanics, or as some of you call them 'Latinos.' I was just wondering why those of who do dislike them do, we're good people you know.

Another thing is, we're expected to immediatly love the US when we move here, and give up loyalty to our own country. That's like saying that women MUST take their husband's last name once they marry.

I'm not trying to cause a huge fight, just wondering.

First, Latino and Hispanic do not mean the smae thing.--I will get back to that.

Second, this is one of the most liberal forums I have seen. Aside from the occasional racist I find it very hard to believe you have encountered nearly as much rampant hatred for 'Latinos'.



Now to my first point, IF you were really a Hispanic you would know the diffirence between Latino and Hispanic--and not use the words as synonyms so I call bullshit on your ethnic claims.

Latino is an all encompassing label adopted BY Latin American peoples. It's root is tracable to Ancient Rome.

Hispanic is United States adaptation of the Hispania(Espana), now Latino America was created by the Hispania invasion--Hispania carried the Latin Empire to America hence Latin America.

Hispanic refers to Spanish descent, all People from Latin America are all LAtin(Latino) but not all are Hispanics, such as our Portuguese speaking brothers in Brazil.

So while you may not really be Hispanic, you are Latino like it or not.
I suggest you dig a little deeper into your heritage before being worried about what a bunch of Anglos think anyway.

Ok, primo.

The problem is that there are many immigrants who enter the US and by their actions they discredit the Latino community.
They not only cross in the US illegally but they deliberately break our other laws, like no killing, no drugs, no rape, no driving without a license, etc.


Actually, I think you'll find that a large amount of born-and-bred Americans do this as well. Maybe the Hispanic community is just trying to fit in.

So while you may not really be Hispanic, you are Latino like it or not.
I suggest you dig a little deeper into your heritage before being worried about what a bunch of Anglos think anyway.

Ok, primo.

They're complaining about the Americans. Leave the Anglos across the pond out of it.

They're complaining about the Americans. Leave the Anglos across the pond out of it.

He was complaining about people in the forum....Including Anglos across the pond.

Or did someone disband the BNP?

First of all, I'm a girl, but I don't know if there's a setting on this forum that tells my gender.

Second, I am Hispanic and I consider Latino an insult and so does my Mexican friend Celia who says that we don't smell!

Prima then your Mexican friend is an ignorant twit.
It was Mexicano Americans who first used the term Latino and Latin American.

Because they were born here, so they were not technically Mexicans, but they still wanted to have a distinction of Pride in their heritage.

Latino is a word for Pride, Hispanic was created by Anglos.

I swear kids are so stupid these days.

Where are you from Iowa?

Prima then your Mexican friend is an ignorant twit.
It was Mexicano Americans who first used the term Latino and Latin American.

Because they were born here, so they were not technically Mexicans, but they still wanted to have a distinction of Pride in their heritage.

Latino is a word for Pride, Hispanic was created by Anglos.

I swear kids are so stupid these days.

Where are you from Iowa?
where are you from nanic? are you hispanic yourself? you seem quite well informed to me.

What do you mean by 'Anglo'?

To me, it means 'English' from the old 'Anglo-Saxon', but I sense you may be using it with a different meaning.

What do you mean by 'Anglo'?

To me, it means 'English' from the old 'Anglo-Saxon', but I sense you may be using it with a different meaning."English-speaker", I take it.

What do you mean by 'Anglo'?

To me, it means 'English' from the old 'Anglo-Saxon', but I sense you may be using it with a different meaning.
anglo is the meaningless generic one uses to refer to americans (most likely white) who grew up speaking english in the home.

thus i am an anglo even though i have less than 50% english ancestry.

it is a term with the same level of meaning as "hispanic/latino" "black" "asian" or "indian"

pick whichever term might most closely represent you (if you are an american). you will immediately quibble about how well it covers what you are and your relationship with who you are lumped in with. its the same for each term. they are broad generalizations that have little true meaning.

First, Latino and Hispanic do not mean the smae thing.--I will get back to that.

Second, this is one of the most liberal forums I have seen. Aside from the occasional racist I find it very hard to believe you have encountered nearly as much rampant hatred for 'Latinos'.



Now to my first point, IF you were really a Hispanic you would know the diffirence between Latino and Hispanic--and not use the words as synonyms so I call bullshit on your ethnic claims.

Latino is an all encompassing label adopted BY Latin American peoples. It's root is tracable to Ancient Rome.

Hispanic is United States adaptation of the Hispania(Espana), now Latino America was created by the Hispania invasion--Hispania carried the Latin Empire to America hence Latin America.

Hispanic refers to Spanish descent, all People from Latin America are all LAtin(Latino) but not all are Hispanics, such as our Portuguese speaking brothers in Brazil.

So while you may not really be Hispanic, you are Latino like it or not.
I suggest you dig a little deeper into your heritage before being worried about what a bunch of Anglos think anyway.

Ok, primo.

:D yes!! finally someone gets it rigth!!....

Im from Spain, and im white (like all spaniards are) and i think i should have some say in this.

Hispanic: i personally hate that term, its so incorrect and stupid. If you wanna label someone for the laguage they speak, why not call anyone that speaks french, frenchies (even if they were from canada). I would rather be labeled by the nation im from than from the (supposedly) ethnic background im from.

Latino: The original latinos are the Romans!!. Once the Roman empire fell the only latin nations left were: Spain, Portugal, and Italy. The only reason peolpe from south america call themselves "latinos" is because they have a small amount of blood from my people (spaniards)

Ive asked hundreds of south americans why they call themselves latinos, and who were the original latinos..... and they have no idea!!

What i dislike the most about mexicans (and whoever else immigrated here) is that they give all other spanish speaking people a bad name (im not saying all immigrants give us a bad name, ive met many mexicans who are quite pleasant) I could pass as any other english speaking american, but as soon as i say that im from spain...... they automatically think im a mexican. (its pretty funny how most americans dont even know their geography:p ) Ive been asked if spain was a mexican state!!!!

There is no such thing as a "Hispanic race", any more than there is such a thing as a French race or a Dutch race. People of Spanish decent are whiteys, plain and simple*. The invention of the term "Hispanic", which is purely North American, was to institutionalise xenophobia against the southern Spanish-speaking neighbours of the manifest-destiny-period United States.

*I do of course recognise that many people south of the Rio Grande (to different extents) have more Native American blood than their northern neighbours, but this does not make them a seperate race, rather an amalgamation of the two.

Just illegal ones. And anyway why would someone still be loyal to their old country if it was bad enough to make them leave? Just because I want tighter imigration laws doesn't make me a racist.

itghter immigration laws on who? this is a country of immigrants. if we make very tight immigration laws, then we should hand over control to the natives cuz immigrants shouldn't be running the country anyway....

Hispanic: i personally hate that term, its so incorrect and stupid.
This was invented by the US Census Bureau because people from the rest of America don't all fit in one of their neat boxes for White, Black, or Asian.

Latino: The original latinos are the Romans!!. Once the Roman empire fell the only latin nations left were: Spain, Portugal, and Italy.
You forget France and Romania. The term was invented by the Spanish speaking people in the US as a way to identify themselves without meaning Spain. It's a stupid term, but no one outside the US would use it to identify themselves.

Ive asked hundreds of south americans why they call themselves latinos, and who were the original latinos..... and they have no idea!!
Ah, you see. South American isn't the proper term either, since México, Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Honduras, Panamá, Cuba, República Dominicana, and Puerto Rico are not in South America.

What i dislike the most about mexicans (and whoever else immigrated here) is that they give all other spanish speaking people a bad name
It's not surprising. Spanish speaking people in America total more than 300 million, which makes it very easy to extend generalizations to "all other Spanish people" all 45 million or so of them (do they still speak Spanish in the Philippines?)