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Some students at an Arizona highschool burned a Mexican flag after some other students raised it over the American flag. What do you think of this? Is it protest? Vandalism? Should the kids have raised the Mexican flag in the first place?

http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/122555

I support the burning of flags, but I don't support blatant dickery.

A flag is private property; the owner may do with it whatever he pleases.

I support the burning of flags, but I don't support blatant dickery.
So burning the American flag is ok, but burning the Mexican flag is not? Where's the "equality" in that, pray tell??

So burning the American flag is ok, but burning the Mexican flag is not? Where's the "equality" in that, pray tell??
Where the fuck did that comment come from?

Some students at an Arizona highschool burned a Mexican flag after some other students raised it over the American flag. What do you think of this? Is it protest? Vandalism? Should the kids have raised the Mexican flag in the first place?
If they raised the Mexican flag on private property, that's fine, but if it was public property, it's not. This is America after all, not Mexico.

This tells us that some illegal immgrants have a hell of a lot more loyalty to Mexico than they do to America.

If the students owned the Mexican flag they burned, it's not a problem, anymore than it's a problem if someone burns an American flag they owned. I don't like it, but they have the right to burn it. I'll even intervene on their behalf if someone tries to stop them.

Some students at an Arizona highschool burned a Mexican flag after some other students raised it over the American flag. What do you think of this? Is it protest? Vandalism? Should the kids have raised the Mexican flag in the first place?
I guess burning someone else's flag is vandalism. If you own the flag, I don't have a problem with it (don't do it too close to me, though...). Edit: You'll have to plant some grass seeds to make up for the carbon dioxide emissions.

Where the fuck did that comment come from?

Don't worry, it's just Eut being himself. You know, taking things way out of context and not giving a shit.

I support mass flag burnings. I have a feeling that getting rid of all flags would be a good start.

If they raised the Mexican flag on private property, that's fine, but if it was public property, it's not. This is America after all, not Mexico.

This tells us that some illegal immgrants have a hell of a lot more loyalty to Mexico than they do to America.

If the students owned the Mexican flag they burned, it's not a problem, anymore than it's a problem if someone burns an American flag they owned. I don't like it, but they have the right to burn it. I'll even intervene on their behalf if someone tries to stop them.
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Well it usually doesn't accomplish anything except make a statement, but that's not the question. I'm ok with it, I really don't care, a flag is a flag. I don't think I would do it myself though.

the Eut comment came from the fact that when people burn American flags, no one seems to care, but when people burn Mexican flags on American soil, its suddenly a big deal.

I think flag burning is always okay, as long as it is your flag.

I also support the political action that those students did though. If the mexicans want to come here and work, fine, I have no issue with that. But if they want to be illegal immigrants and still put on Mexican pride parades, then they're just asking for some sort of trouble. I mean, after all, if they're so proud of their country, why didn't they stay there?

Public flag-burning is OK if it's your flag.

I don't support burning flags. It's a fire hazard.

So burning the American flag is ok, but burning the Mexican flag is not? Where's the "equality" in that, pray tell??
Wow, that's really jumping to a conclusion!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10673226&postcount=151

We've got to band together to fight
Mexican Imperialism

the Eut comment came from the fact that when people burn American flags, no one seems to care, but when people burn Mexican flags on American soil, its suddenly a big deal.
Strange, because I don't give a damn.

I support burning flags, but I rather wipe my ass with one to make a stament. Flagburning is way too overused.

I support burning flags, but I rather wipe my ass with one to make a stament. Flagburning is way too overused.

Flagwiping!

Strange, because I don't give a damn.
just a point clarifying something. Someone else was asking about it.

Now how do I feel about burning flags?

Ah guess that depends on which flag gets burned...

Meh. I think they should be punished for burning SOMEONE ELSE'S Mexican flag. This has nothing to do with freedom of expression. If they bought a Mexican flag to burn it, well, fine, they are likely bigots, but, by all means, let them. If they bought American flags to burn it, well, fine, they have trouble separating country and government, but, by all means, let them. If they burn OTHER PEOPLE'S flag, it's wrong. It could be a flag of the D&D fictional land of Thay, but it's wrong. Not because it's a flag, but because it belongs to someone else. However, doesn't it feel like they're too insecure? If they weren't insecure their reaction would be either doing nothing or putting another American flag over the Mexican one. But yet they felt threatened enough by a piece of cloth to destroy it.

Some students at an Arizona highschool burned a Mexican flag after some other students raised it over the American flag. What do you think of this? Is it protest? Vandalism? Should the kids have raised the Mexican flag in the first place?

http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/122555

Tensions over immigration reform heightened in the Phoenix area's East Valley Thursday when students raised a Mexican flag over Apache Junction High School — and then other students yanked it down and burned it.

They burned someone else's private property, this is just plain illegal (although I support flag-burning in general).

They burned someone else's private property, this is just plain illegal (although I support flag-burning in general).

Private property that was abandoned on public property. That is not vandalism.

Edit: It does seem that people are reaching for reasons to condemn this.

My opinion: If they own the flag, they have the right to burn it, just as I have the right to call them @$$holes if it's an American flag, or cheer them on if it's Mexican.

If it's someone else's property, then it's vandalism.

Private property that was abandoned on public property. That is not vandalism.

Edit: It does seem that people are reaching for reasons to condemn this.

I'll let this one slide if and only if you accept the idea of mexicans burning someone else's US flags that have been left there.

Also, ever heard of Grand Theft Auto? Where the fuck do you think most autos are parked???

I support burning flags, but I rather wipe my ass with one to make a stament. Flagburning is way too overused.
Reminds me of an obscene little fascist party poem my grandmother used to repeat on occasion while she had alzheimers. It translates to
Mussolini came
And took a big dump
And wiped his ass
With the Red Flag (communist flag).

In Italian it's something like
E venito Mussolini
ed ha fato una grossa
ed ha pulito il culo
Con la bandiera rossa

I apologize for my lousy Italian spelling.

Meh. I think they should be punished for burning SOMEONE ELSE'S Mexican flag. This has nothing to do with freedom of expression. If they bought a Mexican flag to burn it, well, fine, they are likely bigots, but, by all means, let them. If they bought American flags to burn it, well, fine, they have trouble separating country and government, but, by all means, let them. If they burn OTHER PEOPLE'S flag, it's wrong. It could be a flag of the D&D fictional land of Thay, but it's wrong. Not because it's a flag, but because it belongs to someone else. However, doesn't it feel like they're too insecure? If they weren't insecure their reaction would be either doing nothing or putting another American flag over the Mexican one. But yet they felt threatened enough by a piece of cloth to destroy it.

You beat me to it. :)

My opinion: If they own the flag, they have the right to burn it, just as I have the right to call them @$$holes if it's an American flag, or cheer them on if it's Mexican.

If it's someone else's property, then it's vandalism.

I'd call them assholes in BOTH cases. Simply because they could give ME the money instead of wasting it like that.

On a different note, how very... nationalistic of you.

A patriot loves his country. A nationalist hates all other ones.

Private property that was abandoned on public property. That is not vandalism.

Edit: It does seem that people are reaching for reasons to condemn this.

Oh what a surprise, it's the 'OMFG you all h8 4MeriCa!!1!!eleven!!' card.

The flag-raising, flag-burning, and shoving match that followed happened before most students arrived at school.

The implication here is that it wasn't abandonned.

I saw we burn more flags. In fact, I am going to light Iranian, North Korean, Syrian, Palistinian, and any other country/movement's flag I don't particularly like on fire. Well I would, but I'd have to go buy them, and that's just a waste of money unless I get some news organazation to come film it, get national exposure, and start my own international uproar. So I won't bother. But my point is, flag burning is a symbolic representation of freedom of speech. It is like saying "I hate country x", just in dramatic fashion. Sure, I don't like it when someone burns a flag of my country, or a country I like, but I support the person's right to do so. If we burned more flags, we might get out more of our repressed pyro-obsessive tendancies, and then we wouldn't be so ready to blow each other up.

I'll let this one slide if and only if you accept the idea of mexicans burning someone else's US flags that have been left there.

Also, ever heard of Grand Theft Auto? Where the fuck do you think most autos are parked???

If someone erects their own American flag on a public school flagpole and leaves it there, then sure burn it.

You are comparing hoisting a flag to parking a car. Regardless of the difference between the two instances, do you think that the person who hoisted the Mexican flag had intentions on retrieving it?

If someone erects their own American flag on a public school flagpole and leaves it there, then sure burn it.

You are comparing hoisting a flag to parking a car. Regardless of the difference between the two instances, do you think that the person who hoisted the Mexican flag had intentions on retrieving it?

How could you know they didn't? Also, since there was a shoving match right after, i don't think they abandoned it at all.

"The flag-raising, flag-burning, and shoving match that followed"

oh noes, the mexicans are flying a flag - let's get 'em!


not a bad idea actually - roving gangs of internationalists and anti-flaggers jumping anyone who puts up a flag. including those goddamned road construction flaggers.

"The flag-raising, flag-burning, and shoving match that followed"

oh noes, the mexicans are flying a flag - let's get 'em!

REMEMBER THE ALAMO!!!!

But seriously, any country whose sovereignty is threatened by burning its flag is not a country anyone in their right mind ought to be.

Oh what a surprise, it's the 'OMFG you all h8 4MeriCa!!1!!eleven!!' card.

Oh what a surprise, it's the "OMFG you all just think we all hate America!" card.

Get over yourself.

The implication here is that it wasn't abandonned.

So the person who raised the flag intended to merely raise it and lower it but was interrupted by a shoving match?

You raise a flag with intentions on displaying, so I must assume he intended on leaving it up for an indeterminable amount of time.

And I am sure the shoving match started simply because the individual wanted to get back to the flag. I can see it now.

Everyone is screaming "Death to Mexico!" and the guy who raised the flag is going "Okay, okay, just give me back my flag."

including those goddamned road construction flaggers.

Especially them, looking at me all smug. I can practically hear them saying "I own you."

no i wouldnt support a burning flag

are you crazy?

the burny bits might fall down and set my hair on fire

it has become obvious thorughout alot of these protest that many of these mexicans do seem to have loyalty for mexico over loyalty for this country, but yet they are prtesting so they dont have to go back to the country they seem to have more loyalty for.

as for the flag issue, if it was on public property, as in a public high school, there are guidlines that are supposed to be carried out for the treatment of the USA flag, no flag is supposed to be above or higher then the USA flag, so in the question of should the mexican flag been put above the USA flag, the answer is a simple no for respect of the USA flag.

was it right for the students to burn the mexican flag? as everyone has already said, if it was their property it doesnt matter, but i doubt the flag belonged to those that burnt it, maybe it wasnt the best choice, but it did get the message of "we dont like your crap" spoken loud enough for them to hear it

Can't we just buy Mexico and get it over with?

* It'd be cheaper than erecting a border.
* It'd make the illegal alien question a lot easier: 6 Million illegal Mexicans? No! 6 million new Americans that just happen to live north of the Rio Grande! :D

(Before you start flaming: yes, that's a joke...)

I wouldn't say I support it, but I really don't care if you burn a flag or not. I, for one, think nationstates are overrated and often destructive.

Don't worry, it's just Eut being himself. You know, taking things way out of context and not giving a shit.
I tend to give as good as I get. :p

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LOL! :D

the Eut comment came from the fact that when people burn American flags, no one seems to care, but when people burn Mexican flags on American soil, its suddenly a big deal.

I think flag burning is always okay, as long as it is your flag.

I also support the political action that those students did though. If the mexicans want to come here and work, fine, I have no issue with that. But if they want to be illegal immigrants and still put on Mexican pride parades, then they're just asking for some sort of trouble. I mean, after all, if they're so proud of their country, why didn't they stay there?
Finally! A man of discernment and taste! :D

Wow, that's really jumping to a conclusion!
Shhhh! I just enjoy yanking on The Nazz's chain! :D

Strange, because I don't give a damn.
Seems to be part of the paradigm of your life, yes? :D

I support burning flags, but I rather wipe my ass with one to make a stament. Flagburning is way too overused.
Wipe your ass with one that's burning. That'll show 'em! :D

Private property that was abandoned on public property. That is not vandalism.

Edit: It does seem that people are reaching for reasons to condemn this.
Yes it does. Strange, is it not? :)

I say we should start making flags out of poisonous material and let whoever wants to burn them burn them.

Wipe your ass with one that's burning. That'll show 'em! :D
No thanks, I'm not a masochist.

Where the fuck do you think most autos are parked???
Uh ... in front of your momma's house ... serially. :D

I say we should start making flags out of poisonous material and let whoever wants to burn them burn them.

No no no no man... we have those already. They're called cigarettes.

EDIT: Ever try to give a Marlboro to a Camel unfiltered smoker? :D

How does an Oath of Allegiance to Old Glory,
followed by the burning of a Iranian flag sound?
See - it slightly looks like a Mexican flag...

Credible deniability...

Uh ... in front of your momma's house ... serially. :D

Classy. However, this time I'm agreeing with you, moron. :P

... any country whose sovereignty is threatened by burning its flag is not a country anyone in their right mind ought to be.
People can be their own countries now? Wow!

[ Establishes the Republic of Eutrusca ... oh ... wait! ] :)

Burn them all .... what have those flags done for us lately? Hell, they don't even make good blankets unless you snatch one of the giant ones they drape on soldiers's coffins - which is easy because greiving widows are very gullible - but still ...

Oh what a surprise, it's the "OMFG you all just think we all hate America!" card.

Get over yourself.
LMAO! SIC 'em, Vittos! :D

Classy. However, this time I'm agreeing with you, moron. :P
:eek:

And, like ... that matters? :D

No thanks, I'm not a masochist.
Had ME fooled! ;)

:eek:

And, like ... that matters? :D

Well, you have a belief in "my group, right or wrong", so, yes, it should. But I should know better than to expect coherency from you.

I say we should start making flags out of poisonous material and let whoever wants to burn them burn them.

Ya Know, I change my mind.
I say we should make flags out of marijuana and smoke em.

Well, you have a belief in "my group, right or wrong", so, yes, it should. But I should know better than to expect coherency from you.
LMAO! Whew! Who ate YOUR cookie today?? :headbang:

Ya Know, I change my mind.
I say we should make flags out of marijuana and smoke em.
Hmmm. "Toke for Old Glory?" It does have a bit of a ring to it, don't it! :D

LMAO! Whew! Who ate YOUR cookie today?? :headbang:

Meh. I don't like cookies, so I traded mine for sushi. You shouldn't hit your head against the wall, though, it might give you mental issues.

Then again...

Why are Americans so insecure over their "sense of belonging" to their country?

If another county's flag angers you so much that you feel you have the right do resort to burning it for the mere reason of its presence on US soil, surely then you are being unpatriotic. We are told the USA believes in tolerance, democracy and that everyone should have a voice, by your government. Yet your people prefer the opposite. How about that for "distinguishing between government and people"?

Does the reaction to the Mexican flag not call into question the legitmacy of America's existence, after all it is a land of immigrants that can have their own cultures, languages etc.

Hmmm. "Toke for Old Glory?" It does have a bit of a ring to it, don't it! :D



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Why are Americans so insecure over their "sense of belonging" to their country?

If another county's flag angers you so much that you feel you have the right do resort to burning it for the mere reason of its presence on US soil, surely then you are being unpatriotic. We are told the USA believes in tolerance, democracy and that everyone should have a voice, by your government. Yet your people prefer the opposite. How about that for "distinguishing between government and people"?

Does the reaction to the Mexican flag not call into question the legitmacy of America's existence, after all it is a land of immigrants that can have their own cultures, languages etc.


I guess it has maybe, just maybe, a little bit more to do with several million Mexicans trying to re-immigrate into the States...

I guess it has maybe, just maybe, a little bit more to do with several million Mexicans trying to re-immigrate into the States...

Just like your ancestors. Better than stealing them from Africa to be enslaved! But why such a reaction to a flag? Is this a mild form of fascist xenophobia?

Why are Americans so insecure over their "sense of belonging" to their country?

If another county's flag angers you so much that you feel you have the right do resort to burning it for the mere reason of its presence on US soil, surely then you are being unpatriotic. We are told the USA believes in tolerance, democracy and that everyone should have a voice, by your government. Yet your people prefer the opposite. How about that for "distinguishing between government and people"?

Does the reaction to the Mexican flag not call into question the legitmacy of America's existence, after all it is a land of immigrants that can have their own cultures, languages etc.

the flag was not burned just because it was on US soil, it had alot to do that it was put above the USA flag on a flag pole. it was put that way in protest of the illegals actually being illegal. and in response these people protested the protesting and burnt the flag

Why are Americans so insecure over their "sense of belonging" to their country?

If another county's flag angers you so much that you feel you have the right do resort to burning it for the mere reason of its presence on US soil, surely then you are being unpatriotic. We are told the USA believes in tolerance, democracy and that everyone should have a voice, by your government. Yet your people prefer the opposite. How about that for "distinguishing between government and people"?

Does the reaction to the Mexican flag not call into question the legitmacy of America's existence, after all it is a land of immigrants that can have their own cultures, languages etc.

Nah. We just figure that since everyone burns *our* flag at the slightest provocation that we would burn someone else's for a change...

Just like your ancestors. Better than stealing them from Africa to be enslaved! But why such a reaction to a flag? Is this a mild form of fascist xenophobia?

Dude, I am in the UK? What makes you think any and all reactions to large-scale outside influences are fascist xenophobia? Did you, like, even see Basel-Boro?

the flag was not burned just because it was on US soil, it had alot to do that it was put above the USA flag on a flag pole. it was put that way in protest of the illegals actually being illegal. and in response these people protested the protesting and burnt the flag

So the legal citizens did the legal thing and set things on fire on property not legally belonging to them. Aah, so that's how you show the inferior "illegals" how to do it.

But the point remains; why is there such a reacton to the mere fact that the US flag is hoisted slightly lower than the Mexican flag. Why do you have so much faith in the American flag, or any flag for thant matter?

So the legal citizens did the legal thing and set things on fire on property not legally belonging to them. Aah, so that's how you show the inferior "illegals" how to do it.

i never said it was the right thing to do, i was just correcting the statement that it was burnt just because it was on US Soil.

But the point remains; why is there such a reacton to the mere fact that the US flag is hoisted slightly lower than the Mexican flag. Why do you have so much faith in the American flag, or any flag for thant matter?

The United States has guidlines on how the United States Flag should be treated, some take these guidlines into strict regulations, others dont care. one of the guildines is that the United States Flag should not be lower then any other flag.

there isnt much faith in the flag, but there is respect for what the flag is symbolic for. we dont expect the flag to save us. it is just a symbol, a symbol that people care to show respect to

every country, group, etc... may have something they find symbolic in a good way. they will respect this item and may even get pissed when other people piss on the item.

But if you were true to the percieved American way of life you wouldn't resort to what is an act of physical violence. It is only a symbol, but the Mexican flag is also symbolic to those Mexicans. They did not discredit your flag by hoisting it a bit higher. But is the crux of the matter this - legal American citizens feel that illegal immigrants must adore America to move there (irrespective of their practical need), and, moreover, feel that they can be treated differently to a US citizen? In a nutshell, do you feel you have the right to distinguish between a human beings' right to expression on the point that he hasn't a US passport, in comparison to one who has?

Meh. I don't like cookies, so I traded mine for sushi. You shouldn't hit your head against the wall, though, it might give you mental issues.

Then again...
Tsk! Shame on you. :p

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Hey, dude ... you wanna hit on this? :D

But if you were true to the percieved American way of life you wouldn't resort to what is an act of physical violence. It is only a symbol, but the Mexican flag is also symbolic to those Mexicans. They did not discredit your flag by hoisting it a bit higher. But is the crux of the matter this - legal American citizens feel that illegal immigrants must adore America to move there (irrespective of their practical need), and, moreover, feel that they can be treated differently to a US citizen? In a nutshell, do you feel you have the right to distinguish between a human beings' right to expression on the point that he hasn't a US passport, in comparison to one who has?

everyone has the same right to expression, but why would you want to go to a country you dislike? if you love mexico so much and have a compassion for mexico and mexico is just the greastest place, Why leave?

and a United States Citizen has more right on what happens in the country, for they should because it is their country.

The people who hoisted the mexican flag over the American flag was in fact discrediting the american flag, it is symbolic, goes back to symbolism. by putting the mexican flag on top it is saying the mexicans are on top.

if these people truely want to integrate into the United States and want to become Americans (talking about the United States), they should also accept they are no longer in Mexico.

I don't see the problem. A flag is just a bit of fabric with a design on it.

Well until the Mexicans learn English and can tell me their side in English, I can't really support them at all.

Well until the Mexicans learn English and can tell me their side in English, I can't really support them at all.

By that same reasoning you'd have to learn Spanish to tell them your side. However, I'm a Brazilian that knows Spanish and is fully proficient in the English language, even more than many Americans. By all means, shall we discuss?

everyone has the same right to expression, but why would you want to go to a country you dislike? if you love mexico so much and have a compassion for mexico and mexico is just the greastest place, Why leave?

and a United States Citizen has more right on what happens in the country, for they should because it is their country.

The people who hoisted the mexican flag over the American flag was in fact discrediting the american flag, it is symbolic, goes back to symbolism. by putting the mexican flag on top it is saying the mexicans are on top.

if these people truely want to integrate into the United States and want to become Americans (talking about the United States), they should also accept they are no longer in Mexico.

You might move to a country you dislike simply because your family needs the money. Oh... wait... isn't that why most Mexicans are in the USA?

Oh yes, it is.

I see no problem with burning flags, as long as nobody gets hurt. That's my view, anyway. If an Irishman was burning an English flag, I'd have no problem with it, as England has done terrible things to Ireland in the past. On the other hand, if he then threw said flag into, say, a moving car full of people, then I would be angry.

Allow people their freedom of speech, but don't let people hurt others through spite. That's my view.

Support flag burning? Only if its your own country's. Otherwise I find it rather arrogant and spiteful. I support the right to burn flags though.

Oh what a surprise, it's the "OMFG you all just think we all hate America!" card.

Get over yourself.

Get over myself? You were the one who said: "It does seem that people are reaching for reasons to condemn this." Explain what this meant if it wasn't "you're just looking for an excuse to bash America and you wouldn't care if the American flag was burnt".

Why don't you go back to your glass house and quit throwing stones?

So the person who raised the flag intended to merely raise it and lower it but was interrupted by a shoving match?

You raise a flag with intentions on displaying, so I must assume he intended on leaving it up for an indeterminable amount of time.

And I am sure the shoving match started simply because the individual wanted to get back to the flag. I can see it now.

Everyone is screaming "Death to Mexico!" and the guy who raised the flag is going "Okay, okay, just give me back my flag."

I love your logic. Next time I see somebody setting up a petition stall in the streets I will claim it has been abandonned on public property and so it's legally mine. If they protest that they were with it all the time I will simply point out that it was put there with intention on displaying so I can reasonably assume that they were going to leave it there forever, brilliant.

Incidently judging by the article your 'Death to Mexico' scenario might not be so far off the truth.

According to section 8k of the US flag code, "The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning." Basically, if the flag is torn beyond repair, faded, or soiled (where it won't come clean), it is considered no longer a fitting emblem for display, and can be destroyed.

While you cannot get in trouble for disobeying the US flag code (it's not a law), that's the only time I support burning a US flag.

Some students at an Arizona highschool burned a Mexican flag after some other students raised it over the American flag. What do you think of this? Is it protest? Vandalism? Should the kids have raised the Mexican flag in the first place?

http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/122555
If they did not own the flag it was vandalism period

But I am all for people being able to burn their own property

Burning is the only thing the Mexican flag is good for.

Burning is the only thing the Mexican flag is good for.
Troll much?

Troll much?

No I just do not know any other fun things you could do with a Mexican flag

No I just do not know any other fun things you could do with a Mexican flag
As opposed to other flags?

As opposed to other flags?
The American flag is fun fold up in a pretty triangle.

You should get your ass hauled off to prison if you burn flags. More so if its your own nations.

You should get your ass hauled off to prison if you burn flags. More so if its your own nations.

You support prison sentances for burning the Nazi flag?

You should get your ass hauled off to prison if you burn flags. More so if its your own nations.
Why?

The American flag is fun fold up in a pretty triangle.
You could also do that with the Mexican flag as well

You should get your ass hauled off to prison if you burn flags. More so if its your own nations.
I agree, it's so lame. You should wipe your ass with it.

>.> Even worse!

The only way to burn a flag is with respect. As the military does with flags that been hit by battle or too old. It is burned properly and is saluted. A very very emotional thing for many people. There is no dishonor in it. It is infact HONORABLE to burn a flag to protect the values and nation itself when the flag is no longer able to hold such tribute in a damaged condition.

>.> Even worse!

The only way to burn a flag is with respect. As the military does with flags that been hit by battle or too old. It is burned properly and is saluted. A very very emotional thing for many people. There is no dishonor in it. It is infact HONORABLE to burn a flag to protect the values and nation itself when the flag is no longer able to hold such tribute in a damaged condition.

I covered that already.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10680842&postcount=83

Originally posted by People without names the flag was not burned just because it was on US soil, it had alot to do that it was put above the USA flag on a flag pole. it was put that way in protest of the illegals actually being illegal. and in response these people protested the protesting and burnt the flag

OK, you cannot protest people protesting by burning their stuff. If i have a sign and am waving it furiously in protest, you cannot come up to me, take it and burn it and then say, oh i'm protesting. These people could've actively protested though. For example, they could've stood in the way of the flagpole and the protesters and not let them get the flag up there in the first place, that would've been perfectly fine. However once the flag was up there they can't just burn it. Other examples of what they could've done: Tell them to level it with the US flag as it's the law, Pull the flag down but not destroy it, or ignore it.

The issue here is that they burned something they didn't own, and as to the issue of them being illegal, they were students at the high school as well. I doubt they were illegal and therefore are garunteed the same protection of property under the law as anyone else.

I covered that already.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10680842&postcount=83

Was just restating. ^^

OK, you cannot protest people protesting by burning their stuff. If i have a sign and am waving it furiously in protest, you cannot come up to me, take it and burn it and then say, oh i'm protesting. These people could've actively protested though. For example, they could've stood in the way of the flagpole and the protesters and not let them get the flag up there in the first place, that would've been perfectly fine. However once the flag was up there they can't just burn it. Other examples of what they could've done: Tell them to level it with the US flag as it's the law, Pull the flag down but not destroy it, or ignore it.

The issue here is that they burned something they didn't own, and as to the issue of them being illegal, they were students at the high school as well. I doubt they were illegal and therefore are garunteed the same protection of property under the law as anyone else.

I think the main point here is we KNOW they took it and it was wrong, but burning the flag is paramount to one of the greatest crimes against our national pride.

>.> Even worse!

The only way to burn a flag is with respect. snip
I beg to differ ... I bet some gass would also be a way to burn a flag.

I think the main point here is we KNOW they took it and it was wrong, but burning the flag is paramount to one of the greatest crimes against our national pride.
So?

I think the main point here is we KNOW they took it and it was wrong, but burning the flag is paramount to one of the greatest crimes against our national pride.
bwahahahahahha!
It's just a piece of cloth.

bwahahahahahha!
It's just a piece of cloth.
Exactly ... some of us see that cloth as a symbol ... to me of freedom

To put that symbol above what it stands for (freedom) is desicrating everything the flag stands for (to me at least)

Exactly ... some of us see that cloth as a symbol ... to me of freedom

To put that symbol above what it stands for (freedom) is desicrating everything the flag stands for (to me at least)

Yep.

If I took a picture of your loved ones and shot bullets through the picture and burned it and waved it around infront of you, how would you react? A picture is just chemicals on some photosenstive paper, but would you be upset?

Yep.

If I took a picture of your loved ones and shot bullets through the picture and burned it and waved it around infront of you, how would you react? A picture is just chemicals on some photosenstive paper, but would you be upset?
Sure would ... that does NOT mean it should be illegal.

As long as they own the pictures it should be absolutly legal for them to do with them as they please ... as with the flag.

I guess half-truth.

You cannot burn money even if you earned it yourself, why not put the same rights on flags while we are at it?

It's funny that, actually. After all, if you remove a unit from circulation you are increasing the value of all the others...

I guess half-truth.

You cannot burn money even if you earned it yourself, why not put the same rights on flags while we are at it?
You dont own paper money ... you are borrowing it from the government to denote a value.

You can burn checks though
Or credit cards

You are not "borrowing" the flag ... you actualy purchase it

originally posted by AsbenaI think the main point here is we KNOW they took it and it was wrong, but burning the flag is paramount to one of the greatest crimes against our national pride.

Are you saying crime justifies crime then? Because i break the law someone else should be able to take away my freedom? Now the governemnt, sure the government can take my freedom away if i break the law, but not some other random citizen. This is the whole two wrongs don't make a right yeh?

The issue is their right to property shouldn't have been infringed upon by other citizens just for raising the mexican flag above the american. Should they have gotten in trouble for it, yes.

I guess half-truth.

You cannot burn money even if you earned it yourself, why not put the same rights on flags while we are at it?

You've never lit a cigar off of a smoldering $50?

No....if its a ticketable thing to leave the flag up in the rain, why should burning the flag allow you to go off scot free? It doesn't make sense. You burn the American flag in my presence your going to get a foot so far up your butt that you'll never sit again or want to go to the bathroom.

You've never lit a cigar off of a smoldering $50?

I don't smoke and would never do that.

Yep.

If I took a picture of your loved ones and shot bullets through the picture and burned it and waved it around infront of you, how would you react? A picture is just chemicals on some photosenstive paper, but would you be upset?
I'd be pissed. But it shouldn't be illegal. How about if I did that with pictures of Hitler? By your reasoning, that should be illegal if I wave it in front of a NeoNazi.

No....if its a ticketable thing to leave the flag up in the rain, why should burning the flag allow you to go off scot free? It doesn't make sense. You burn the American flag in my presence your going to get a foot so far up your butt that you'll never sit again or want to go to the bathroom.
The flag, right now, to me, is two things. It's a symbol of imperailism when I think of Bush. It's a symbol of freedom when I think of anything else. Understand what I mean?

No....if its a ticketable thing to leave the flag up in the rain,
Lol, you Americans take your flag way too serious.

Flag burning in a public setting is really bad, though if you did that with Hitler I would also say it would be wrong. There is a line and doing something that drastic is one of those things that is meant to piss people off, so naturally it should be a punishable offense.

I don't smoke and would never do that.

But you must admit that I *can* burn money in such a fashion. :D

Cash is merely worth anything because you (and everyone else) believes that it has value. This can and has failed in the past.
(Perhaps most famously in the "Tulip Mania" of 1636-37 in Holland.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania

Money: is just an object. Just like a flag is. Say you can't burn something, next you can't read something. Or say something. Or carry a firearm. Or vote.

All of the Amendments are equal. Even things that are offensive or stupid must be tolerated lest we lose our liberties.

Lol, you Americans take your flag way too serious.

So we're nationalistic...is that a problem? America has always been nationalistic and against it at the same time. After 9/11 everyone was waving the American flag and wanted to DESTROY those who defaced it with the attack. When you have around 300 million nationalistic people in one nation out for blood a few flag burners are given too much freedom.

America is a victims society. Everyone is a victim and they get the full treatment for it. We immediately sympathize with those who have been hurt, even if they go out of their way to get into those situations anyways.

But you must admit that I *can* burn money in such a fashion. :D

Cash is merely worth anything because you (and everyone else) believes that it has value. This can and has failed in the past.
(Perhaps most famously in the "Tulip Mania" of 1636-37 in Holland.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania

Money: is just an object. Just like a flag is. Say you can't burn something, next you can't read something. Or say something. Or carry a firearm. Or vote.

All of the Amendments are equal. Even things that are offensive or stupid must be tolerated lest we lose our liberties.

Actually it is a law, you cannot burn money. Its a federal offense.

Unfortunately, being a dick and being an idiot are not crimes.

As for burning the flag itself, it's a form of freedom of speech. The only time it should be against the law is when it's a potential fire hazard (as has been demonstrated by the NationStates scenario). Freedom of speech is one thing, but lighting a big piece of fabric on fire in the middle of a large crowd is manslaughter, or at the very least, reckless endangerment.

No....if its a ticketable thing to leave the flag up in the rain, why should burning the flag allow you to go off scot free? It doesn't make sense. You burn the American flag in my presence your going to get a foot so far up your butt that you'll never sit again or want to go to the bathroom.
Hopefully you would get rightfully charged with assult. Injuring a person for them doing something to what is just an object is not and should not be acceptable in todays society

No....if its a ticketable thing to leave the flag up in the rain, why should burning the flag allow you to go off scot free?

I take it your state has some law against leaving the flag up in the rain? It's certainly not illegal everywhere, I just drove past the State Police post down the road and they had their flags up, and it's currently raining like a bastard.

Actually it is a law, you cannot burn money. Its a federal offense.

It's also a law that I can't walk backwards on the sidewalk after dark in Devon (part of Milford) Connecticut. It's even occasionally enforced.
What's your point? There is no law against burning flags in the US at this time.

And for that matter... something being law does not necessarily make it right. Prohibition was a terrible idea, as is the war on drugs. Ditto the crazy firearms laws in places like California and Massachusettes.

Originally posted by Asbena.
There is a line and doing something that drastic is one of those things that is meant to piss people off, so naturally it should be a punishable offense.

Well ok so there is a certain line to things that are appropriate i'll give you that. But pissing people off should be a punishable offense? Are you serious? People should be allowed to express dissenting opinion on what the government does and this includes burning their flags....as long as they aren't harming people with their burning flags.

I fully support flag burning as long as it is done in a safe manner and with one's own property. If we took flag burning away people would just have to find something new to hate that is iconic of America, and then we'd be upset about that. Plus thats a bit too much government regulation on what i can do with my property thank you.

We've got to band together to fight
Mexican Imperialism
Amen!

This is getting off-topic. I thought we were talking about burning the Mexican flag, but suddenly we are talking about burning the American flag? Anyway, if you raise your flag over a foreign peice of soil you are asking to have it burned down. If some jerk put the American flag up at a Mexican public school, I would expect the same thing.

Oh yeh, it is certainly off topic, but i think everyone here agreed that the people involved were wrong to burn it and that the people raising the flag were breaking a law. So now on to talk of general flag burnings.

Oh yeh, it is certainly off topic, but i think everyone here agreed that the people involved were wrong to burn it and that the people raising the flag were breaking a law. So now on to talk of general flag burnings.

Okay, then on-topic: the people that burned down the flag were right to burn it. It doesn't matter if it's the flag of Bhutan, if it shows up at an American public school, it's coming down. Though personally, I would be more diplomatic...

Ok, but coming down and being burned are very different lines to cross. I believe in a past post i said as much. They were not right to burn private property, even if it was on display in a public area....that would be like burning a street artists caricatures or something, they're on display but its still private property. They had the right to take it down or object to it being raised, not to burn it.

Okay, then on-topic: the people that burned down the flag were right to burn it. It doesn't matter if it's the flag of Bhutan, if it shows up at an American public school, it's coming down. Though personally, I would be more diplomatic...
Requiring it to come down is deffinatly reasonable specialy if it is a public school. But personaly only the OWNER of the property has a right to destroy it in most circumstances

This is interesting, since me and three other people had a debate in my World History class not so long ago: me and a guy named Steve went up against two other guys, Rich and Colin, with my side for flag burning and their side against flag burning.
My personal stance on flag burning is that it is a sign of protest against the government. I say this based on several factors:
1) If an American were to burn a Soviet flag in protest against Soviet communism, it would be considered a stance against the Soviet government, not against the values of the Russian/Soviet people. Therefore, burning an American flag would be a stance against, as things stand, a Republican government. The same would apply if Democrats were in the White House/Congress.
2) If someone were to burn a Canadian flag, being a proud Canadian I would be not only offended, but to be quite frank, on the verge of tears. Certainly, I do not CONDONE flag-burning, and I would likely not partake in it myself (a flag of any nation's), but I believe that it is their right to do it...of course, that must be in accordance with arson laws.
3) The desecration of a flag is relative. Somebody may feel extremely angry at the idea of somebody stepping on their country's flag, while somebody else may not care. A person's pride in their country may or may not be determined by how they feel about their country's flag. Desecration is a very vaguely-drawn line.
I can certainly see what all the fuss is about over burning flags. Some would argue that the American flag stands for more than the Republican government, but those same people would probably say that the Soviet flag stood for nothing more than communism.
I believe that flag-burning is an effective way to take a stance, but one which I do not believe is right. But my morals are for me, not for me to force on anybody else.

I don't support burning flags. It's a fire hazard.

I support the right of any person to burn the flag of any country, as long as he/she doesn't steal it from anyone.

Chances are that the American students stole the flag from the Mexican students, thus they were in the wrong.

I also assume that the protestors in Tehran get their hands on US, Israeli and Danish flags rightfully (ie by government handing them out), and thus their burning of those flags is justified.

To all of the people who are against flag burning, let me ask you this:

Do you think that your country can be harmed by someone burning a flag?

And if not, why should you tell people they can't do it?

Does no-one care that flag-burning is a fire hazard? It should be banned on the grounds of public safety.

Does no-one care that flag-burning is a fire hazard? It should be banned on the grounds of public safety.
As long as no alcohol or dope is involved, it's probably not that dangerous.

But maybe there should be a law about burning flags near petrol stations?

As long as no alcohol or dope is involved, it's probably not that dangerous.

But maybe there should be a law about burning flags near petrol stations?
Controlled, pre-planned flag burnings are fine, but sporadic flag-burnings IMO are too risky. It's just asking for people to be accidentaly set on fire, especially if it's a big flag.

Controlled, pre-planned flag burnings are fine, but sporadic flag-burnings IMO are too risky. It's just asking for people to be accidentaly set on fire, especially if it's a big flag.
Obviously (http://www.nicksigur.com/idiot_burns_self.jpg)*
Plus, it might release toxic gasses if the flags are made of the wrong materials.
And even if not, there is still the issue of CO2, and in today's world, one can't be too careful! :eek:

*That was exactly what you had in mind, wasn't it...

It's just a flag, who cares? It's a symbol, not like you're burning people or anything is it?

It's just a flag, who cares? It's a symbol, not like you're burning people or anything is it?
well... (http://www.nicksigur.com/idiot_burns_self.jpg)
;)

well... (http://www.nicksigur.com/idiot_burns_self.jpg)
;)

:p Yeah, but he burned himself, so that doesn't count, you should be allowed to burn yourself:D

I support thr burning of flags.

I support thr burning of flags.

But whose?

I don't support burning flags, any flags, but I respect the right of other people to do so in a safe manner.

I don't support burning flags, any flags, but I respect the right of other people to do so in a safe manner.


Even if someone else owns that flag? :P

:p Yeah, but he burned himself, so that doesn't count, you should be allowed to burn yourself:D
I don't agree, especially when it's in a crowded public space. I think that people should be, to a reaonable extent, protected from directly harming themselves. This is because in most cases, they will require medical help which diverts attention from real emergencies, and which we have to pay for.

Even if someone else owns that flag? :PNo, not if they don't have the owner's permission. Of course, there are laws already to prevent that from occuring, so it's irrelevant.

The first set of students had no right to raise the Mexican flag over an American one at an American public school.

Just as it would be insulting for an American to take down a British flag on British soil (or French, or Spanish, or Russian) and place it under an American flag, it's insulting to fly another country's flag on a public or government flagpole over an American flag.

The second set of students had no right to burn someone else's flag.

I say it's a wash.

Does no-one care that flag-burning is a fire hazard? It should be banned on the grounds of public safety.


That's at least the third time you've repeated yourself. Please stop spamming or contribute something to the discussion.

That's at least the third time you've repeated yourself. Please stop spamming or contribute something to the discussion.
I'm the ony person making a unique, pragmatic argument. It's better than the tired ideological points that get dragged out over this issue every time.

I’ve never burned anyone’s flag. I can understand if a government pisses enough people off that they might feel justified to burn the flag of that government. It’s probably more effective to burn effigies of the offending members of that government, but not everyone has the skills of an artist. It’s even more effective still just to burn the government, but some would say there are some legal issues related to that tactic.

I would hope that when they burn the flag that they are doing so to protest the government and not having a private wish you suffered genocide party. Imagine how they feel in Denmark, after hiding away in northern Europe all this time, barely noticed, to seeing pics of their flag being torched over some tasteless cartoons. It's a good thing they don't subscribe to MAD magazine in the Middle East.

Burning your own countries flag in protest - fine
Burning another countries flag in protest to make your own country act - fine
Burning another countries flag to demonstrate your hatred of that country and your desire to murder everyone in it - not fine.

In the lead up to the 2002 US election, House Leader Tom Daschle went so far as to suggest that US flags be made out of fire resistant material. 47 states have laws prohibiting the burning of state, federal, and sometimes even the Confederate flag. Some states have introduced legislation that reduces the sentencing for battery if the victim was attacked while burning a flag, the so-called “beat a flag-burner for a buck” bills. House Joint Resolution 10 to outlaw the desecration of the flag was passed by Congress (May 25, 2005), but the Senate always rejects these bills.

Their problem is that the courts are still observing the US versus Eichman case ruling that prosecuting someone for burning the flag is a suppression of free expression. The current ultra-conservative Supreme Court majority could very well be in a position to prosecute a case and overturn that and similar civil rights rulings of the past.

A flag is private property; the owner may do with it whatever he pleases.exactamente

Their problem is that the courts are still observing the US versus Eichman case ruling that prosecuting someone for burning the flag is a suppression of free expression.
And good fucking on them too!

I just hate these laws that punish people for not being nationalists. Hasn't the West moved past that fit after we nearly destroyed ourselves?

Some students at an Arizona highschool burned a Mexican flag after some other students raised it over the American flag. What do you think of this? Is it protest? Vandalism? Should the kids have raised the Mexican flag in the first place?

http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/122555
I am against flag buring.
American, Mexican or otherwise.

The kid violated the rules of National Flag etiquette by flying the American beneath the Mexican flag.
DOes that entitle the other kids to burn the Mexicna flag?
Not in my book.
Take it down?
Yes.

What pissed me off more then that incident is this, taken from the same article:
"School flagpoles have been lightning rods across the country this week, including an incident in which a Houston high-school principal was disciplined after he flew a Mexican flag underneath his campus' U.S. and state flags."
This principle did not in anyway violate proper etiquette yet he was disciplined. NO doubt by racist old white men who didnt want that dirty MexCANo rag on their childs school.
This principle demonstrated a show of solidarity with his Mexican neighbors and was punished for it. Fecking WEAK.
Nice Job America.

Even if someone else owns that flag? :Pof course not..

It s like someone burning my Car.. or any of my property ..
Id beat him up AND.. Id burn some of his personal property.. something more expensive.. so he learns a lesson (1 eye for 1 ear)

The first set of students had no right to raise the Mexican flag over an American one at an American public school.the school should suspend anyone fooling around with "School property" (the US flag was school property)-- It could be argued as vandalism or something.

The people who sell US flags in the middle east must be doing really well.
People keep on burning them.

I dont support the burning of anyone's flags. Especially mine.

I see it as an act that ups the ante in hostility and agression.

It doesnt attract attention and encourage dialogue between two opposing parties- it incites anger and widens the divide. It begs for retaliation and appeals to people's violent side.

It doesnt make me feel like paying attention and trying to understand the flag burners. It doesnt make me want to compromise with them, or discuss possible solutions.

I dont support the burning of anyone's flags. Especially mine.

It doesnt attract attention... You are Wrong.

I does attract attention. (that is why you are posting on the.. 11th page ;) )

The placement of a foriegn flag over the United States flag is inappropriate according to the U.S. Flag Code. The placement of a foreign (or any other) flag over the United States flag, within our borders, is improper according to the U.S. Flag Code. This is especially inappropriate to do at a government institution, such as a school; however, the protest-burning (ceremonial burning, according to the Flag Code, is seen as an acceptable way of disposing of retired flags, as long as it is done respectfully) of said foreign flag is just as inappropriate.
It just should have been promptly removed.

LXXI

I do not support the burning of any Flag's be it Western Flags, Asian Flags, African Flags even Arab Flag's!

It just should have been promptly removed. I agree. (Now that I understand the brakets in your post)

The last time I checked, Arizona is in the USA. Therefore, no flag should be raised to equal or greater height than the stars and stripes unless it is being flown in a foriegn nation then, it is flown at the same height as the host nations flag. I have spent my entire adult life defending the US flag and what it represents, and would not approve of anyone burning it or another country's flag. However, if it is legal to burn our flag why should Mexico's flag be treated different. If those kids want the Mexican flag waving over the US flag I suggest they pack their things and move to mexico.

You are Wrong.

I does attract attention. (that is why you are posting on the.. 11th page ;) )

You misunderstood- or I mis-spoke. I meant it doesnt attract attention AND encourage others to listen or try to work out differences.

I know it does attract attention, but not positive. Unless, of course, you agree with the flag burners. Then-Fuck You if its my flag.

i support the right to one's OWN nation's flag. nations exist to serve people. people doNOT exist to serve nations. i do not believe it is a right, or in any way right at all, to cause anguish and suffering to those who'se current condition is already a resault ultimately of one's own, more then their, nation's callousness and abuse.

this should be transparently obvious to anyone with an ounce of decency.

=^^=
.../\...

I know it does attract attention, but not positive. Its like 9-11,It was designed(Not for maximum damage/NoT to kill a maximum of enemies) to attract attention.. or like union strikes designed to block transit.

At some point(in their minds).. Negative attention is better that NO attention.

BTW.. I do not "support" Flag burning.. BUT if the Flag belongs to them.. they can burn it(I dont care)

Its like 9-11,It was designed(Not for maximum damage/NoT to kill a maximum of enemies) to attract attention.. or like union strikes designed to block transit.

At some point.. Negative attention is better that NO attention.

BTW#1.. I do not "support" Flag burning.. BUT if the Flag belongs to them.. they can burn it(I dont care)

BTW#2.. FU2 ;)


I cant agree that negative attention is better than none. In my opinion, it gets the attention of more people who are against you and it further lowers their opinion of you/your issue and may even motivate them to act against you in one way or another. I think it gives people who oppose you another reason to oppose you and may actually diminish the merits of your position in their eyes.

And I wasnt saying Fuck You to you specifically. You know that.

And I wasnt saying Fuck You to you specifically. You know that.Me bad..

I will edit my uncalled for reaction.

Burning a flag hurts nobody, its merely a piece of material on which something has been printed. I am not offended by anyone wearing my flag as an item of clothing, or using it as a tea towel or on a pair of trainers, and I have no problem with people buring my flag as a form of protest or comment.

It is not alive is it? It is just a symbol. If you don't worry about it, then the act has less of an impact than if you do, surely?

*Goes off to burn some books and a bra..*.

Burning a flag hurts nobody, its merely a piece of material on which something has been printed. I am not offended by anyone wearing my flag as an item of clothing, or using it as a tea towel or on a pair of trainers, and I have no problem with people buring my flag as a form of protest or comment.

It is not alive is it? It is just a symbol. If you don't worry about it, then the act has less of an impact than if you do, surely?

*Goes off to burn some books and a bra..*.

*sideways glance in the event she'll have to take off the bra she is wearing"

Me bad..

I will edit my uncalled for reaction.


No need- you and I can get along fine.

*sideways glance in the event she'll have to take off the bra she is wearing"

No, I like the one I am wearing, it is a nice one. I have terrible trouble getting nice bras because all the nice ones are in small sizes and bigger bras look like hammocks for melons or old granny types that my mum would wear, so I will keep this one and burn one of the less attractive ones instead....:p

I do support flag burning, but only your own. It's just rude to do it to somebody else's flag.

No, I like the one I am wearing, it is a nice one. I have terrible trouble getting nice bras because all the nice ones are in small sizes and bigger bras look like hammocks for melons or old granny types that my mum would wear, so I will keep this one and burn one of the less attractive ones instead....:p


Mmmm...;) How you doin' ? *L*

Burn your own flag, fine. Burning someone else's, that's destruction of their proerty.

The last time I checked, Arizona is in the USA. Therefore, no flag should be raised to equal or greater height than the stars and stripes unless it is being flown in a foriegn nation then, it is flown at the same height as the host nations flag. I have spent my entire adult life defending the US flag and what it represents, and would not approve of anyone burning it or another country's flag. However, if it is legal to burn our flag why should Mexico's flag be treated different. If those kids want the Mexican flag waving over the US flag I suggest they pack their things and move to mexico.

Actually, the US flag code disagrees with you. State flags can be at the same height, and foreign flags are supposed to be at the same height. If a state flag is at the same height it can't be to the right of the US flag.

When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak. When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the United States flag's right.

When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.

Actually, the US flag code disagrees with you. State flags can be at the same height, and foreign flags are supposed to be at the same height. If a state flag is at the same height it can't be to the right of the US flag.
I've always wondered about that "to the right of the flag" thing. What happens if the wind changes direction?

I've always wondered about that "to the right of the flag" thing. What happens if the wind changes direction?

The flag is assumed to be facing a certain direction. Generally away from a building, or something like that.

i don't see any problem in burning a flag. its only a piece of cloth. but the symbolism they have makes any action involving them fairly loaded and i think burning a flag is an effective and legitimate method of expressing ones feelings towards the country represented by the flag. i don't have to agree with the anti-mexican protest to support the right to burn a piece of cloth.