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President Chirac has passed the new felxible emloyment law, but on the self defeating basis of saying that is shall NOT be implemented UNTIL the law, the CPE, is either refomred or dropped altogether.

This is a strange move by the French President.

He has put the French PM, Domique de Villepin in an impossible position, one that will only cause further civil unrest, violence and terroristic subversion in France.

The PM said he would resign if the CPE law failed to be ratified by the President. The President raftified it, but disabled it before the ink was even dry on the President's signature.

France is in DESPERATE NEED of the CPE, which far from being a ultra free-market policy, is in fact a very tame policy and one that needs to go further IMO and in the opinion of many respected economists and analysts around the world.

There has been severe violence and the vile thugs from the November riots have made a comeback in this crisis.

France is now awash with subversion and opens acts of revolt and anti-government hatred, a hatred of irrationality, for it hates the state full stop (not just a dislike of one party or leader over another, but the whole state system).

I really do think that the political class in France is really divided.

You have the petty fued between the PM and Sarkozy.

You have the treasonous Socialist Party displaying open sympathy with the 'protestors' and the criminal subversive forces, for that party will now do anything to score cheap political points and to try and win over votes by going along with the mob.

It's like France is at a deadend and their economy is just getting worse with it's outdated socialist system and a unaccountable anti-capitalist element within the French establishment.

Maybe the best solution for France is for a temporary military government to take power.

A military council of 3 men, each from the different forces in the military services. This council could impose martial law and deal with the 'protestors'/criminals and terrorists and to wipe out the damaging far-left movement in France.

Upon doing that, the economy is liberalised and France made a business and investor friendly nation.

With a functioning growing ecnomy and the far-leftists/subversives dealt with and destroyed, democracy could be restored at a later date.

Basically I am using the Chilean model of 1973-1990.

Pinochet at the end of the day saved democracy and freedom in Chile, ironically via it's temporary suspension.

Without a good economy and a law abiding population that respects the state, a democracy cannot function.

And France is showing us this right now.

You’ve got to admire the French. The government passes screws the masses around and the people riot to let them know that they’re not going to take it anymore. They even do it without gunplay. That’s an active democracy!

In Canada or North America when the government screws us we either write or read a blog about it, maybe watch the news, before turning something else on to watch. The only way we’d riot on mass is if they took our TV and Internet away! Mess with that and the government has to be evacuated to a secure bunker or it’s all over for them.

The Bruce

You’ve got to admire the French. The government passes screws the masses around and the people riot to let them know that they’re not going to take it anymore. They even do it without gunplay. That’s an active democracy!

In Canada or North America when the government screws us we either write or read a blog about it, maybe watch the news, before turning something else on to watch. The only way we’d riot on mass is if they took our TV and Internet away! Mess with that and the government has to be evacuated to a secure bunker or it’s all over for them.

The Bruce

True. Though the french always lose. History shows that. :P

You’ve got to admire the French. The government passes screws the masses around and the people riot to let them know that they’re not going to take it anymore. They even do it without gunplay. That’s an active democracy!

In Canada or North America when the government screws us we either write or read a blog about it, maybe watch the news, before turning something else on to watch. The only way we’d riot on mass is if they took our TV and Internet away! Mess with that and the government has to be evacuated to a secure bunker or it’s all over for them.

And none of what you wrote makes ANY sense.

Tell me, how is passing a law that would lift the burden for business to employ MORE people in a nation with HIGH umeployment, screwing the people over.

So what if it's easier to get sacked, thats good.

I have lived in France for a year. I know that the French system is statist and dogmatically socialist, one that prevents new enterprise and economic growth, with too many offputting regulations.

Many people in France would have got the sack in the US/Japan/Uk had they worked there. In France, turning up late to work everyday or spending 3 hours away at lunch when your supposed to have the one hour break cannot get you sacked.

And this has caused incompetent people to keep jobs they don't deserve, keep others out of work and thus put more of a strain on the French taxpayer with more people on unmployment benefits.

And if those hooligans/terrorists/subversives get to cause political instability to any degree higher than what we have now, then civil war will follow.

I'm sorry, put anyone out on the streets in France at the moment causing trouble needs to have a few police bullets put in their chests and heads.

The sooner the criminals and subversives are destroyed, the safer and better France will be for the majority of it's people.

True. Though the french always lose. History shows that. :P
Not really. They're still here, and their standard of living pwns virtually the entire planet. Say what you like about European social democracy, but 90% of the world is worse off and always will be.

And if those hooligans/terrorists/subversives get to cause political instability to any degree higher than what we have now, then civil war will follow.
You know, any grain of truth there may have been in your reasoning gets destroyed immediately by your dumb rhetoric, and ill-thought-out solutions.

Here is one of the most honest analyses of France's overall attitude and political situation I have seen. Sadly, it's not in English, so you'll have to use your German skills.
http://www.zeit.de/2005/52/Frankreich

I think it's time to accept that French democracy just doesn't work. The First Republic got Napoleon'd, the Second got Napoleon'd, the Third got Hitler'd, the Fourth was just crap, and the Fifth is collapsing under itself.

I think it's time to accept that French democracy just doesn't work. The First Republic got Napoleon'd, the Second got Napoleon'd, the Third got Hitler'd, the Fourth was just crap, and the Fifth is collapsing under itself.
It is remarkably resilient, then. All that shit and it is still here, giving the world the middle finger. ;)

I suggested Shipping them back to Africa.
Stupid gimps

I was just in France. It seemed remarkably okay. Fancy that.

It's all a storm in a teacup if you ask me.

You know, any grain of truth there may have been in your reasoning gets destroyed immediately by your dumb rhetoric, and ill-thought-out solutions.

Lets look at the situation as it stands:

France has a histroy of political violence and terrorist uprisigns (1789, 1830, 1848, 1871, 1944, 1968, Nov. 2005).

The current French system is dealocked. The conservative coalition (UMP) is fueding over the Sarkozy vs. Villepan deabte instead of trying to unite to solve the problems. The Socialist Party has joined with the extreme left in the LCR, Greens and the Communists, in siding with the 'demonstrators and those who use violence to further their own ends, ie: terrorists.

If none of the political parties can do anything, three choices are left:

1.) The unrest continues and the establishment fight amongst themselves. The economy gets worse and more unrest spread and a civil war could break out, or even WORSE, a communist takeover, given the vile influence the far-left has in France.

2.) The military stage a coup d' etat and save the nation from chaos with a 5 to 10 year military government that solves unrest and rebuilds the economy, handing back power when the time is right.

3.) President Chirac, leaves the UMP party and becomes a non-party national unity president, with emergency powers and closes down parliament, parties and street protests and a new autocratic constitution is made for France, say on the model of Vichy France

You're comparing the destruction of a couple of thousand cars in a series of riots to the destruction of the State and its replacement with an entirely new system of government?

You really have no clue what you're talking about.

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You're quite insane, hey?

I am also guessing you have never been there. I have been there quite a few times, I travel there regularly, as does my sister and my father practically lives there. And essentially you don't know what the situation is. :rolleyes:

Really, the UK circa 1979 was far, far, worse.

No-one suggested a millitary government or national unity prime minister for it back then.

President Chirac has passed the new felxible emloyment law, but on the self defeating basis of saying that is shall NOT be implemented UNTIL the law, the CPE, is either refomred or dropped altogether.

This is a strange move by the French President.

He has put the French PM, Domique de Villepin in an impossible position, one that will only cause further civil unrest, violence and terroristic subversion in France.

The PM said he would resign if the CPE law failed to be ratified by the President. The President raftified it, but disabled it before the ink was even dry on the President's signature.

France is in DESPERATE NEED of the CPE, which far from being a ultra free-market policy, is in fact a very tame policy and one that needs to go further IMO and in the opinion of many respected economists and analysts around the world.

There has been severe violence and the vile thugs from the November riots have made a comeback in this crisis.

France is now awash with subversion and opens acts of revolt and anti-government hatred, a hatred of irrationality, for it hates the state full stop (not just a dislike of one party or leader over another, but the whole state system).

I really do think that the political class in France is really divided.

You have the petty fued between the PM and Sarkozy.

You have the treasonous Socialist Party displaying open sympathy with the 'protestors' and the criminal subversive forces, for that party will now do anything to score cheap political points and to try and win over votes by going along with the mob.

It's like France is at a deadend and their economy is just getting worse with it's outdated socialist system and a unaccountable anti-capitalist element within the French establishment.

Maybe the best solution for France is for a temporary military government to take power.

A military council of 3 men, each from the different forces in the military services. This council could impose martial law and deal with the 'protestors'/criminals and terrorists and to wipe out the damaging far-left movement in France.

Upon doing that, the economy is liberalised and France made a business and investor friendly nation.

With a functioning growing ecnomy and the far-leftists/subversives dealt with and destroyed, democracy could be restored at a later date.

Basically I am using the Chilean model of 1973-1990.

Pinochet at the end of the day saved democracy and freedom in Chile, ironically via it's temporary suspension.

Without a good economy and a law abiding population that respects the state, a democracy cannot function.

And France is showing us this right now.


Yay for fascism?

No, I'd rather see the French government held accountable for it's stupidity, fix the law or abolish it and everyone carry on just fine.

But who knows, maybe this is the summer of 68 again and the kids will stop riotting when vacation time comes.

Or maybe even better, they're ready to follow through and smash the state. :)

In other news, the American government comes under threat of a violent mass uprising by women demanding a constitutional amendment safeguarding abortion rights. :D

Or maybe even better, they're ready to follow through and smash the state. :)

Everyone wins!

As The Bruce put it, good for them. Had the marches against the Iraq war been on the same scale as they had been, but not peaceful, perhaps there wouldn't have been a war. Protest is good. Violent protest is to be reserved when they just arent listening.

solution? stop trying to immitate the self destructive stupidity of the united states. rebuild what has been lost of your socialized infrastructure instead of destroying it by 'privitization'. the glory and virtue of europe and especialy france, along with decent public transportation, is the retention of mom and pop retailing and craftufacturing. allowing corporatocracy to out 'compete' it is suicidal.

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solution? stop trying to immitate the self destructive stupidity of the united states. rebuild what has been lost of your socialized infrastructure instead of destroying it by 'privitization'. the glory and virtue of europe and especialy france, along with decent public transportation, is the retention of mom and pop retailing and craftufacturing. allowing corporatocracy to out 'compete' it is suicidal.

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Oh god... that's almost good enough to sig.

France is in DESPERATE NEED of the CPE, which far from being a ultra free-market policy, is in fact a very tame policy and one that needs to go further IMO and in the opinion of many respected economists and analysts around the world.It's tame? It's much more laissez-faire than what the UK has. Are you going to tell me Thatcher was actually in league with the trade unionists, next?

I just read the rest of your post. You really are a nut case. I'm just waiting for you to yell 'Surprise! April Fools!'.

France is now awash with subversion and opens acts of revolt and anti-government hatred, a hatred of irrationality, for it hates the state full stop (not just a dislike of one party or leader over another, but the whole state system).Someone also needs to work on their grammar. You could read this as that the state is being completely irrational. The protestors hate irrationality, and so hate the state. Only the context of your post hints at what you really mean.

Oh, so much ignorance in the OP, so little point in commenting, seeing as it's Kravania. I move for a motion of dismissal. All in favour?

*raises hand*

Seconded.

Quorum reached, passed by acclamation. :D

1.) The unrest continues and the establishment fight amongst themselves. The economy gets worse and more unrest spread and a civil war could break out, or even WORSE, a communist takeover, given the vile influence the far-left has in France.

2.) The military stage a coup d' etat and save the nation from chaos with a 5 to 10 year military government that solves unrest and rebuilds the economy, handing back power when the time is right.

3.) President Chirac, leaves the UMP party and becomes a non-party national unity president, with emergency powers and closes down parliament, parties and street protests and a new autocratic constitution is made for France, say on the model of Vichy France

1) Communist take over might solve some problems. Then again, I never did like violent revolutions. Still, the French Revolution certainly brought a lot of good things to France. Hardly a vile influence the far-left is. It's the far-right that's the vile influence.

2) Militaries NEVER give back power once they have it. Learn this.

3) Vichy France? Lol, yeah... let's make a constitution based on the real traitors of France, woot!

I call either April Fools or crazed fascist.