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Which is better? My friend and I got into an argument over which is better, since he said, and I quote, "nobody cares about the Irish." So I have to find evidence that the Irish are better than the Scottish. What do you think?

*poll coming, because everybody likes polling-goodness*

They are the same.
Except that the Irish wear pants. :eek:

The irish are better swimmers than the welsh.

The irish are better swimmers than the welsh.


im sure he'd rather know bout the scottish swimmers. cause a comeback in an argument about ireland and scotland, the comeback

'well the welsh'...........

will just cause amusmant

im sure he'd rather know bout the scottish swimmers. cause a comeback in an argument about ireland and scotland, the comeback

'well the welsh'...........

will just cause amusmant
The Scottish swimmers did really well at the Commonwealth games which seems to answer that point.

im sure he'd rather know bout the scottish swimmers. cause a comeback in an argument about ireland and scotland, the comeback

'well the welsh'...........

will just cause amusmant
I was actually thinking of putting the Welsh onto the poll as an option, *snicker*Shulha.:p

I was actually thinking of putting the Welsh onto the poll as an option, *snicker*Shulha.:p


ahhhh you remembered

*send you thanks*

Which is better? My friend and I got into an argument over which is better, since he said, and I quote, "nobody cares about the Irish." So I have to find evidence that the Irish are better than the Scottish. What do you think?

*poll coming, because everybody likes polling-goodness*


Lady, I like your friend. The Scots rule! William Wallace is a hero! What Irishman is a hero? None, thats right. The Irish are a bunch of Scots who weren't good enough to be called Scots. The only thing the Irish ever do is bitch and complain about their crappy childhoods. Take that Frank McCourt.

Which is better? My friend and I got into an argument over which is better, since he said, and I quote, "nobody cares about the Irish." So I have to find evidence that the Irish are better than the Scottish. What do you think?

*poll coming, because everybody likes polling-goodness*
One brit is pretty much like another.

Well...

Ireland gives us alcohol and Scotland gives us haggis. Not a very hard decision in my mind. :p

I like the Scots. Porridge, haggis & a top notch accent.

I voted Ireland.
The Scottish think the hard, violent, macho and can drink beer like pros.

The Irish ARE hard, violent, macho (sometimes) and can drink beer like pros, also IReland quite Rich, Scotland is going down the pan. AT least Ireland had the balls to stand up to us English, the Scottish just obeyed and whinged and moaned for the next 300 years.

btw, im very English, before somone claims im not.

Scots. <3 bagpipes (no, really)

Although I have to commend the Irish for their Guinness.

It's clearly Ireland (Or "the Irish")

ahhhh you remembered

*send you thanks*
Do I get cookies? Cake? Pie? A medal? anything?

Ireland gives us alcohol and Scotland gives us haggis.What about Scotch?

Granted, it took an American, Dr. Crow, to truly perfect whiskey, and I'd much rather have a pint of Guinness over a Scotch any day, so it's kind of moot, but to say the Scots never gave us alcohol is a minor disservice.

But if Ireland's so great, how come it was the Poles who had to discover vodka? It's alcohol, made from potatoes!

Do I get cookies? Cake? Pie? A medal? anything?


i know i just ate my last cookie, and there is no cake or pie within 100 miles.
all i can send is my thanks.......... it is all i have ..... it is much more

ill stop my excuses

sends

*double chocolate fudge cake with a cookie topping*

What about Scotch?

Granted, it took an American, Dr. Crow, to truly perfect whiskey, and I'd much rather have a pint of Guinness over a Scotch any day, so it's kind of moot, but to say the Scots never gave us alcohol is a minor disservice.

But if Ireland's so great, how come it was the Poles who had to discover vodka? It's alcohol, made from potatoes!

Well the very thought of haggis makes me queasy so... Ireland by default.

Do I get cookies? Cake? Pie? A medal? anything?

Uhh...a copy of Angela's Ashes? Since everyone seems to like Ireland so much?

*bashes head against desk repeatedly*

sends

*double chocolate fudge cake with a cookie topping*
w00t! I GET COOKIE TOPPED CAKE!
Uhh...a copy of Angela's Ashes? Since everyone seems to like Ireland so much?

*bashes head against desk repeatedly*
what's that? is it creepy like The Stone Angel? *edges away slightly*

Ooooh. I got another one.

The proclaimers are scottish. The bastards.

Therefore Ireland wins.

William Wallace is a hero! What Irishman is a hero? None, thats right. The Irish are a bunch of Scots who weren't good enough to be called Scots.
Ugh...
1) No one really cares.

2)No one- not 'None'. Use proper grammar when refering to people.

3) The Scots or Scotti originated from Ireland (East Ulster to be exact). That tribe or clan if you will, came to dominate the area instead of the native Picts. Thus over time, the Scotti became the dominant clan and hence the name Scot-land.


But if Ireland's so great, how come it was the Poles who had to discover vodka? It's alcohol, made from potatoes!

So? Poiteen (pronounced Put-cheen) is also made from fermented potato skins. Same thing.



..snip shit about Frank McCourt
What, you think anyone likes that book? Especially people from that city?:rolleyes:

I'm part Irish and Scottish, but the Irish have beer. and mashed potatoes.

Well, Scotland does have the Butt of Lewis...

I voted Ireland.
The Scottish think the hard, violent, macho and can drink beer like pros.

The Irish ARE hard, violent, macho (sometimes) and can drink beer like pros, also IReland quite Rich, Scotland is going down the pan. AT least Ireland had the balls to stand up to us English, the Scottish just obeyed and whinged and moaned for the next 300 years.

btw, im very English, before somone claims im not.

Ahh! But you seem to forget that by "obeying" the English, they were able to contribute hordes more to Western Culture than Ireland.

If the Scots had "stood up to the English" then we wouldn't have people like Adam Smith, David Hume, James Watt and many others. There's no such thing as an "Irish Enlightenment" ;)

Plus who says the Scots can't drink like pros?

Parthini']Ahh! But you seem to forget that by "obeying" the English, they were able to contribute hordes more to Western Culture than Ireland.

If the Scots had "stood up to the English" then we wouldn't have people like Adam Smith, David Hume, James Watt and many others. There's no such thing as an "Irish Enlightenment" ;)


No, you're right. The Irish just had Oscar Wilde, James Joyce, Duke of Wellington, Robert Boyle, Samuel Beckett etc etc.

No 'Enlightenment' at all.

No, you're right. The Irish just had Oscar Wilde, James Joyce, Duke of Wellington, Robert Boyle, Samuel Beckett etc etc.

No 'Enlightenment' at all.

"Just because one is born in a stable does not make one a horse" - Arthur Wellesley.

I say they're about equal. Hey, I'm Scotch-Irish, so I have a say in this. :p

The Scots are originally Irish who colonized the area now known as Scotland, so I’d have to go with they’re all good Celts. I have to admit that I'm fonder of an Irish accent than a Scottish one. The Scots do have bigger bagpipes though.

Still waiting for a rematch at Cullodon… http://67.18.37.14/32/176/emo/Horse.gif

I think the Waterboys "The Islandman" lyrics say it all:
"Of my body England is the spine
the backbone and the trunk
My shoulders span the mighty Tyne
London sprawls across my rump
Cornwall my crooked ancient leg
Wales two hands held apart
Scotland is my dreaming head
Ireland is my heart"

The Scottish, hands down. Why? Sean Connery.
End of line.

Half the scots didnt have a hissy-fit and revolt against the UK, so they're clearly a lot better.

I had to cast my vote for the Asians. I mean, they make up more than half of my school's student body, and one of them is my roommate... if I failed to vote for them, who knows what could happen? :eek:

If you're talking about Lowland Scots and the Borderers, then the Irish are definitely better. But, if you're talking about the Highlanders, then, no question, the Scots are superior (I'm American, but my maiden name is McEwing, ok - and I'm not that far from my origins - my great grandfather came from Scotland)

This is a foolish poll. The Scots were an Irish tribe who colonised what then became (not surprisingly) Scotland.

Lady, I like your friend. The Scots rule! William Wallace is a hero! What Irishman is a hero? None, thats right. The Irish are a bunch of Scots who weren't good enough to be called Scots. The only thing the Irish ever do is bitch and complain about their crappy childhoods. Take that Frank McCourt.

michael collins?
or any of the men in the 1916 rising?
or really going back, you can't beat a bit of Brian Boru

The Scots, duh, I'm one, so of course their better!

the irish, scottish, welch, the tuath de and their ancient celtic children are all better then those angular sea ax onian 'english' interlopers. and i do care. even if i'm only about as much clan ross as i am onondagwa.

=^^=
.../\...

The Scottish, hands down. Why? Sean Connery.
End of line.

Pierce Brosnan was a better Bond
Irish win

(though i do love Sean Connery)

Lady, I like your friend. The Scots rule! William Wallace is a hero! What Irishman is a hero? None, thats right. The Irish are a bunch of Scots who weren't good enough to be called Scots. The only thing the Irish ever do is bitch and complain about their crappy childhoods. Take that Frank McCourt.

Scotland is still under British rule, at least 26 out of 32 counties are owned by a SOVEREIGN Irish Parliament.

"Just because one is born in a stable does not make one a horse" - Arthur Wellesley.

Oh, that feeling is mutual. At least they didn't build a statue of him- unlike Nelson....


Pierce Brosnan was a better Bond
Irish win


Now, now. Lets not go mad here. Connery is the shit.

Probably the Irish... no particlar reason why.....

Oh, that feeling is mutual. At least they didn't build a statue of him- unlike Nelson....



Now, now. Lets not go mad here. Connery is the shit.

i do love Sean and its almost a tie, but i also love Pierce

well , im irish,, so i voted ireland.. but i ould have voted scots if we wernt in the pole, you guys kick arse! had one serious night out drinking with you guys when yous came over for the rugby match!..all...those...kilts

but anyway pffffttt ireland had a shit load of heros... just they were normally stolen by england in her armed forces. so if your looking for irish heros look for heroic soldiers in englands armed forces.. then check where they were from.. nelson was irish.. but the ira blew him up so ah well.

em i like the scotish accent.. mainly because i cant hear the irish one..

but haggis... hmm i like haggis

ahhh whisky right well jameson the irish whisky is having increased sales of 15-20% a year in the us alone.. we have to open another brewery.. well out stripping scotish whisky =D

that and poiteen is made out of potatoes.. but its so strong and .. well just dodgy that its illegal to sell here =( once it even settled my stonach after a load of berr... lol the irish guy just came in and told everyone to shut up it seems.. but it was french ber.. soo it doesnt count


thats not fair.. i think its seriosuly illegal to bring sean connery in to any argument on your side... its just not fair.. ireland just doesnt have the sex appeal to match up.. .. i mean just look at the guy!!!

hold on? ireland having a hissy fit????? we had a right to have a hissy fit! not only that but we invented boycotting... oh yeah... look ti up... lord boycot... we totaly screwed him up! nah im nto gona get into the 800 years of rape death and pillage.. so its ok

but it seems liek ireland is winning by de-fault.....

=d two sweetest words in the english language! default default!

The Irish, their accents are sexier and a line of family is from there.

Bah, both the Irish and the Scotish got trounced by the English. And the English got their asses handed to them by the Romans. The Italians got their asses kicked by the Louis. The French got wiped out by Hitler, who was Austrian. The Austrians just roled over for the Germans pre-WWII. The Germans got sent home crying to their mummys' by the Russians. The Russians got pulverised by the Mongols, who couldn't even subvert the Chinese culture even a little and got absorbed into their culture. The Chinese died in their thousands during the Japanese occupation of Manchuria. The Japanese got nuked by the Americans. And the Canadians are the only people to have ever been able to burn down the White House. So the 'peacenik-hippy' Candians are obiviously the hardest of them all.

Scots.

Because of Billy Connelly, and because I am scottish.

Tsh, what a shit thread. I'll answer anyway.

I'm part Scottish (parents from Edinburgh, though i had the misfortune to be born in Grimsby, England) and i have the most Irish name ever, as my father's side of the family were originally from Ireland. I support Hibernian (an Irish founded club in Edinburgh) and am Catholic, so i'd say i was pretty much a neutral. Anyway:

The Scots have given us television, the light bulb, whisky, Billy Connolly, penicillin, Dennis Law, Jim Baxter, Kenny Dalglish, haggis, Iain Banks, Iain McEwan and weapons grade sarcasm.

The Irish have given us Guinness, whiskey, Dylan Moran, James Joyce, Liam Brady, Roy Keane, Samuel Beckett and U2.

I'd say it was advantage Scotland, but i'm sure there are many 'Irish Americans' who think otherwise, and will vote otherwise.

Bah, both the Irish and the Scotish got trounced by the English

No, the English got trounced by the majority of europe, who colonised much of England but couldn't get past the picts/celts in what we now call Scotland and Ireland. Instead, they traded with them and gave the celts their language (hence why Scots and Irish speak a version of English). Only later on did England try to invade Scotland (Battle of Bannockburn + Battle of Somethingorother Bridge = Scotland 2-0 England) and fail. The two nations kept growing until the English Civil War. A few years after that, the act of the union was passed after a bit of a goings on a Culloden, and England, Scotland and Ireland became unified. The English never trounced anyone.

I was actually thinking of putting the Welsh onto the poll as an option, *snicker*Shulha.:p
I would like to say the welsh are better that all one hundred and fifty something in the world. i expect the welsh wern't put on the poll so that the rest had a chance. All hail Tom Jones

The Scots have given us television, the light bulb, whisky, Billy Connolly, penicillin, Dennis Law, Jim Baxter, Kenny Dalglish, haggis, Iain Banks, Iain McEwan and weapons grade sarcasm.

The Irish have given us Guinness, whiskey, Dylan Moran, James Joyce, Liam Brady, Roy Keane, Samuel Beckett and U2.


Never heard of Boyle then? Or Callan? There lots of famous Irish scientists and inventors.

However, despite the nationalistic feelings welling in my heart, I refuse to vote in this poll. The Irish and Scottish are both awesome, but different. And natural allies, despite crafty Englishmen trying to divide us with questions like "Who's better? The Irish or the Scots?"

I would like to say the welsh are better that all one hundred and fifty something in the world.

The only county not to resist the English. Oh, the respect I have for them.

I think the Waterboys "The Islandman" lyrics say it all:
"Of my body England is the spine
the backbone and the trunk
My shoulders span the mighty Tyne
London sprawls across my rump
Cornwall my crooked ancient leg
Wales two hands held apart
Scotland is my dreaming head
Ireland is my heart"Thats sounds pretty funny, what album is it on?

Well, the scotsman have great big swords. http://diarmid.com/Pages/Highlander%20Diarmid%20Claymore%20YA%20copy.jpg

Well, the scotsman have great big swords. http://diarmid.com/Pages/Highlander%20Diarmid%20Claymore%20YA%20copy.jpg
Irishmen don't need big swords to compensate for anything.

Also without Irish emmigrant workers most of England and America wouldn't be built yet.

Also, because I can: http://www.langerland.com/content/view/37/59/

The Scots have given us television, the light bulb, whisky, Billy Connolly, penicillin, Dennis Law, Jim Baxter, Kenny Dalglish, haggis, Iain Banks, Iain McEwan and weapons grade sarcasm.

The Irish have given us Guinness, whiskey, Dylan Moran, James Joyce, Liam Brady, Roy Keane, Samuel Beckett and U2.
Er...Oscar Wilde, Robert Boyle, Lord Kelvin, Wellington, Pierce Brosnan, CS Lewis, Jonathan Swift, Van Morisson, George Best, Rory Gallagher, WB Yeats, Seamus Heaney, Francis Beaufort, Jocelyn Bell Burnell, Nicholas Joseph Callan, Harry Ferguson, Sir James Martin, Ernest Walton.

I'm happy enough with Ireland's contribution to the world.

I'm a little of both and can confirm that we're equally awful!

"Just because one is born in a stable does not make one a horse" - Arthur Wellesley.

He's right. A horse is more noble.

Which is better? My friend and I got into an argument over which is better, since he said, and I quote, "nobody cares about the Irish." So I have to find evidence that the Irish are better than the Scottish. What do you think?

*poll coming, because everybody likes polling-goodness*

That's like me and my friend. IRELAND!!!!!!!!!!!

No, the English got trounced by the majority of europe, who colonised much of England but couldn't get past the picts/celts in what we now call Scotland and Ireland. Instead, they traded with them and gave the celts their language (hence why Scots and Irish speak a version of English). Only later on did England try to invade Scotland (Battle of Bannockburn + Battle of Somethingorother Bridge = Scotland 2-0 England) and fail. The two nations kept growing until the English Civil War. A few years after that, the act of the union was passed after a bit of a goings on a Culloden, and England, Scotland and Ireland became unified. The English never trounced anyone.Just exactly where is the Stone of Scone located? Westminster Abbey maybe? Why is the capital at London? And why does the St George's Cross superimpose the St Andrew's Cross on the Union Jack? The Battle of Bannockburn only came after the English had trounced the Scotish. Just like in the 100 years war. France had been all but defeated, and managed to to evict the English only right at the end.

Edward I crushed the Scotish, whereas Edward II was crushed by the Scotish. Edward II was an idiot, pure an simple. If he had any ounce of intellect he would have had avoided the battle at Bannockburn. It negated his superior numbers and his having cavalry. He even fought up a hill. He was an idiot, who was eventually forced to abdicate.

Just exactly where is the Stone of Scone located? Westminster Abbey maybe?
Nope.

Just exactly where is the Stone of Scone located? Westminster Abbey maybe? Why is the capital at London? And why does the St George's Cross superimpose the St Andrew's Cross on the Union Jack? The Battle of Bannockburn only came after the English had trounced the Scotish. Just like in the 100 years war. France had been all but defeated, and managed to to evict the English only right at the end.

Edward I crushed the Scotish, whereas Edward II was crushed by the Scotish. Edward II was an idiot, pure an simple. If he had any ounce of intellect he would have had avoided the battle at Bannockburn. It negated his superior numbers and his having cavalry. He even fought up a hill. He was an idiot, who was eventually forced to abdicate.

Hey, this isn't a thread for English nationalism...

Nope.

Teehee, Scone.

im irish, but I prefer the dourness of scotland

i like prune juice

im irish, but I prefer the dourness of scotland

i like prune juiceI don't think you can say the scots are dour. Thats just like saying the english are clever

so this is the collective belief? That the Irish are slightly better than the Scottish?

What are they going to do swim out into the North Sea and fight with sticks? Not advisable while drunk (awake).

Which is better? My friend and I got into an argument over which is better, since he said, and I quote, "nobody cares about the Irish." So I have to find evidence that the Irish are better than the Scottish. What do you think?
I can, without bias, claim that the Irish are better:

*we have independence
*we have a culture beyond a piece of clothing and one musical instrument
*even the Irish language is doing better than Scots-Gaelic
*no aristocracy here

I can, without bias, claim that the Irish are better:

*we have independence
*we have a culture beyond a piece of clothing and one musical instrument
*even the Irish language is doing better than Scots-Gaelic
*no aristocracy here
*looks at location*
definitely without bias. :p

I say they're about equal. Hey, I'm Scotch-Irish, so I have a say in this. :p
Who the hell says "Scotch" anymore? It's Scottish.

The only reason the Welsh don’t have the same huge representation in the New World is because they’d already gone through their crappy times before the get the hell out of here by ship option became available. If they Welsh had suffered as much as the Scots and Irish during the same time period then there would be a lot more support in the world for them today, because there would have been as many of them and their descendants in the New World, as the Irish and Scots.

A very famous Welsh rugby player died. He arrives at the Pearly Gates. The Saint who is guarding the Gates invites him to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The rugby star confesses,

“I once scored an illegal try during a very important match against England. Now I feel guilty and I don’t think that I’m worthy to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.”

The Saint said, “Well, as far as I’m concerned you’re welcome to come in.”

“Thank you St. Peter,” said the rugby player.

“Don’t worry about it. By the way, I’m not St. Peter. It’s his day off. I’m St. David.” :)


The Bruce

Before an important rugby match the English fans and the Welsh fans were travelling to Cardiff together. The English fans noticed that the Welsh boys had only one ticket for six of them. When the ticket inspector was coming, one of the Welsh boys turned to the English fans and said, “Watch and learn.”

The Welsh boys crammed themselves into the toilet. The inspector banged on the toilet door saying, “Ticket, please.”

The door opened slightly and just one hand, holding a ticket poked through the gap. The ticket inspector punched the ticket and went off happy.

After the game, which Wales won, they all met at the Cardiff Station. The English boys bought just one ticket and they were surprised when the Welsh boys didn’t buy a ticket at all. One of the Welsh boys turned to the English fans and said, “Watch and learn.”

When they all got on the train, the English lads crammed themselves into the toilet. Two minutes later one of the Welsh boys banged on the door and said, “Ticket, please.”

Who the hell says "Scotch" anymore? It's Scottish.

Nae, he just means he's liqoured up.

The English soldiers found themselves attacking the desperate Welsh hill fort defenders in the time of King Llywelyn I. In the darkness, the English knight commanding the assault sends up a pair of scouts to have a look. He hears a pair of screams and in a few minutes nothing. Grumbling, the knight sends up ten men and very soon sounds of battle are heard and then for a while nothing more. He sends up twenty more men and then after some sounds of ferocious fighting a voice calls down from the hilltop.

“C’mon what are you waiting for there’s just one of me.”

Infuriated, the English knight sends an assault of one hundred men up the hill and an hour later one wounded soldier comes crawling back.

“Damn it, what happened up there?” demands the knight of the man.

“He lied, sir knight,” barely manages the wounded man. “There were two of them.”

better at what?

i abstain on this considering my family emigrated from Scotland to Ireland

and 50% of the people with my surname live in West Lothian Scotland

The Irish. The Scottish calls for independence just strike me as whiney me-too-ism, where I don't think they could survive (as they are now) as a seperate nation.

hmm, i'm from an ulster-scots family so this is dodgy :D

I'll go for the scots, though i still support ireland in rugby matches :D

The only county not to resist the English. Oh, the respect I have for them.

What do you mean not resist the English? Wales just got invaded first because it was closer to London. True we lost, but then so did Ireland and Scotland.


As for the Irish it wasn't until Robert the Bruce sent his son to Ireland to open a second front against the English that they started getting any ideas about independance.

the Scots of course never mess with a man who won't reveal what’s under his kilt also should anything ever happen to England (hypothetically of course) the world will need someone to continue world domination

the irish are cause they have a independant country but if scotland was a island they would very likly be one too but in the early middle ages ireland colonised scotland giving scotland scots gaelic