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COMMENTARY: With his experience as a military commander, and his experience as Secretary of State, it is my considered opinion that Colin Powell would make an excellent President of the United States. Since he has been reluctant in the extreme in the past, I wish there were some way I could start a "Draft Powell" movement. Given that he originally enlisted in the military voluntarily, there would be a bit of irony in that, don't you think? :)


Powell Warns Against U.S. Isolation (http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,92857,00.html?ESRC=eb.nl)


Associated Press | March 31, 2006
KUTZTOWN, Pa. - Former Secretary of State Colin Powell said America must not allow post-9/11 security concerns to cost the country its sense of openness.

Powell spoke to about 3,000 students, alumni and others Thursday night at Kutztown University's Keystone Arena.

"Terrorists can bomb our buildings and down airliners in Pennsylvania fields, but they cannot change us," he said. "Only we can do that."

Powell, 69, said as secretary of state he was instrumental in enacting security measures following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, including a tightening of visas. But he said he warned President Bush against going too far.

"We have to be careful we don't communicate the wrong message to the world - that America has pulled up its drawbridge," Powell said he told the president.

He urged continuing to welcome foreign students to American colleges, where he said they can better learn to understand American values and be more likely to implement them in their native countries.

"We must remain the open, embracing the country the world wants to believe that is still America," Powell said. "If we do that, we will win over terrorism."

I'd vote for Colin Powell.

I don't think America is ready for a president that isn't a white, christian male.

I've always wanted Powell to run. I even have the bumpersticker already planned:

NO MORE A$$HOLES IN THE WHITE HOUSE
LET'S PUT A COLIN THERE INSTEAD

I doubt he'd run as a Republican. I doubt they'd allow him to. Maybe he'll run as an independent?

I've always wanted Powell to run. I even have the bumpersticker already planned:

NO MORE A$$HOLES IN THE WHITE HOUSE
LET'S PUT A COLIN THERE INSTEAD
GROAN! LOL!

Powell would be awesome.

I doubt he'd run as a Republican. I doubt they'd allow him to. Maybe he'll run as an independent?
Not likely. I suspect he may have really ticked off someone high in the Republican leadership. Don't know how, but that's what I think. Sigh.

Ann Coulter for President! But I guess Powell is better than any democrat, even though he's a bit liberal for my taste.

What about Condalizza Rice? She's got my vote.

Ann Coulter for President! But I guess Powell is better than any democrat, even though he's a bit liberal for my taste.

Ann Coulter is a woman. Your party would never nominate her.

I really liked Powell. It was a shame that the current Bush regime had a purge of all of Powell’s supporters in the White House (the night of the red pens). All because Powell never wanted the invasion of Iraq (either when he was a General or in the White House). That and Powell was so much more charismatic than Bush and Junior felt threatened.

As President, Powell wouldn’t have to put up with the crap from the neocons he currently has to. He’d do the right thing.

Ann Coulter for President! But I guess Powell is better than any democrat, even though he's a bit liberal for my taste.
You're just so ... strange. :rolleyes:

Ann Coulter for President! But I guess Powell is better than any democrat, even though he's a bit liberal for my taste.
Lol!
If Coulter became president, I would do everything in my power to get the US nuked.

What about Condalizza Rice? She's got my vote.
Although I would prefer Powell, Condoleeza Rice would get my vote over lots of others.

As President, Powell wouldn’t have to put up with the crap from the neocons he currently has to. He’d do the right thing.
I tend to agree with this. To me, he seems rational, level-headed, and not "owned" by anyone.

Ann Coulter for President! But I guess Powell is better than any democrat, even though he's a bit liberal for my taste.

Oh goody...an Ann Coulter fan. She's not even a conservative, just a wack-job. If you are taking her as the gospel you have a lot of hidden problems

I would vote for Powell, he seems a safe alternative to the absolutely disgraceful choices both parties have presented to me.

Geoffrey Gosford
PM/Schwarzchild

Although I would prefer Powell, Condoleeza Rice would get my vote over lots of others.
You may get the chance in '08. She would be an excellent #2 on a ticket v. Hilary.

You're just so ... strange. :rolleyes:
why? Ann is smart she went to cornell you know, thats big time

I tend to agree with this. To me, he seems rational, level-headed, and not "owned" by anyone.
Which may be what po's the party's current leadership :p

He'd be a hell of a lot better than Bush. Hell having any man, or woman, who can actually pronounce nuclear would be an improvement.

Lol!
If Coulter became president, I would do everything in my power to get the US nuked.
why? are you making terrorist threats?

Once they purged all of his supporters in the White House, the Bush Regime then used him as a mouth piece for their lies to the UN in an attempt to destroy Powell’s career for good. He was really the only sane voice in the Bush regime and he’s been out of the loop for a while now.

Anne Coulter for President! Why not suggest Pat Robertson while you're annointing whack jobs for office?

What about Condalizza Rice? She's got my vote.
she would be great on ticket with Ann coulter. Id vote for that ticket in a heartbeat. I can even see the slogan now, "Even though we have pussies doesn't mean are one."

Anne Coulter for President! Why not suggest Pat Robertson while you're annointing whack jobs for office?

Please don't feed the troll :p

why? are you making terrorist threats?

No, that's Bush you're thinking of.

why? are you making terrorist threats?
Not yet.
But wait till Coulter gets elected.
:p

Ann Coulter is a woman.
Pfft. Yeah. Right.

I'd vote Powell in a second. I've long wished he would run for Pres.

Pfft. Yeah. Right.

Yeah, it's what they said about those East German athletes a few years back.

I'd vote Powell in a second. I've long wished he would run for Pres.
It would be an improvement.

It would be an improvement.


His level-headedness, his desire to make things work correctly rather than gain power for himself, his strength of character among many other good traits would make him the best president we've had in decades.

If I was an American I would Vote Colin Powell because hes not on the far-left like Bush but is closer to the middle and he seems to understand and connect with the American people!

His level-headedness, his desire to make things work correctly rather than gain power for himself, his strength of character among many other good traits would make him the best president we've had in decades.

Plus he would be much more respected by the rest of the world.

If I was an American I would Vote Colin Powell because hes not on the far-left like Bush but is closer to the middle and he seems to understand and connect with the American people!
He's not a white, neo-conservative.

If I was an American I would Vote Colin Powell because hes not on the far-left like Bush but is closer to the middle and he seems to understand and connect with the American people!
Far... Left?

If I was an American I would Vote Colin Powell because hes not on the far-left like Bush but is closer to the middle and he seems to understand and connect with the American people!
Bush is far-left?

Plus he would be much more respected by the rest of the world.


Agreed - and his VP should be Jon Stewart

why? Ann is smart she went to cornell you know, thats big time
:rolleyes:

Bush is far-left?

Far Right then!

Agreed - and his VP should be Jon Stewart
How about a woman?

Which may be what po's the party's current leadership :p
LOL! :rolleyes:

Anne Coulter for President! Why not suggest Pat Robertson while you're annointing whack jobs for office?
How about a Robertson/Coulter ticket? They could call it "God and Me!" :D

How about a woman?


I would vote for the right women. But my thinkign was this... The powerful people who would want to take Powell out because he wouldn't play ball with them would leave him alone because they would want Stewart even less!

I'd vote Powell in a second. I've long wished he would run for Pres.
:eek:

You and I agree on a candidate for President??? OMG!

How about a Robertson/Coulter ticket? They could call it "God and Me!" :D
I think the Church might have something to say about that. Besides, wouldn't that be verging on a theocracy?

How about a Robertson/Coulter ticket? They could call it "God and Me!" :D

ROFL!

As for Powell, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.

If I was an American I would Vote Colin Powell because hes not on the far-left like Bush but is closer to the middle and he seems to understand and connect with the American people!
"far-LEFT???"

Um ... you sure you're in the right dimension here? :p

ROFL!

As for Powell, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.

I wonder if there will be as many disenfranchised voters as there were for Bush....

"far-LEFT???"

Um ... you sure you're in the right dimension here? :p

Perhaps he/she is hanging upside down?

ROFL!

As for Powell, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.
Hell. Let's start a "Draft Powell" movement! :)

:eek:

You and I agree on a candidate for President??? OMG!

I know! :eek:

but when yer right yer right :)

I know! :eek:

but when yer right yer right :)
[ sings ] And when you're not, your not! Thanks a LOT! :D

President Powell Could be the best President since Reagan. Also if some of you remember he used to give breifings to the press during the Gulf War. In my opinion he's a natural leader.:D

Rice can't run. Think about it. The countries going to be in such bad shape by then that even if she somehow was able to dodge at least some of the blame for her loyalty to the biggest idiot ever to run the country there is no way she could run on the "everything's good let's keep it that way" message. That means that as a sitting Secretary of State she'd have to throw fireballs at her current boss. She'd be torn between telling the truth and staying loyal to the sitting shit-brain. The only way she could run is to resign now and immediately start the mud-slinging.

I am sure that there are those that no longer trust Powell because of the UN debaucle regarding those mobile weapons labs that didn't exist, but as far as I am concerned that is the only blemish on his record that I know of, but I think he had no choice and probably was tricked into thinking it was true. He said so much himself without really saying it didn't he?

Quitting the administration and saying he was ashamed of that incident (coupled with not wanting to be president) makes him all the more desireable to me.

Agreed - and his VP should be Jon Stewart
Hell, in that case I'll emigrate to the US just to vote for them. :p

Rice can't run. Think about it. The countries going to be in such bad shape by then that even if she somehow was able to dodge at least some of the blame for her loyalty to the biggest idiot ever to run the country there is no way she could run on the "everything's good let's keep it that way" message. That means that as a sitting Secretary of State she'd have to throw fireballs at her current boss. She'd be torn between telling the truth and staying loyal to the sitting shit-brain. The only way she could run is to resign now and immediately start the mud-slinging.
But she could run as the VP on the ticket, which I think is the logical next step for her, anyway.

President Powell Could be the best President since Reagan. Also if some of you remember he used to give breifings to the press during the Gulf War. In my opinion he's a natural leader.:D

Reagan was totally off his rocker!

But she could run as the VP on the ticket, which I think is the logical next step for her, anyway.
No she couldn't. No one is going to win that doesn't completely lambast the current administration and she'd have to be a running mate of someone. She'd also have to debate against other VP candidates and during those debates she'd have to defend the current administration. There's no way she can do that and win and no one would want her as a running mate because they'd realize all of this and consider her a poison pill.

Rice can't run. Think about it. The countries going to be in such bad shape by then that even if she somehow was able to dodge at least some of the blame for her loyalty to the biggest idiot ever to run the country there is no way she could run on the "everything's good let's keep it that way" message. That means that as a sitting Secretary of State she'd have to throw fireballs at her current boss. She'd be torn between telling the truth and staying loyal to the sitting shit-brain. The only way she could run is to resign now and immediately start the mud-slinging.

here is a Link that supports his claim:

http://www.tonyrogers.com/humor/faces_of_bush.htm :D

Hell, in that case I'll emigrate to the US just to vote for them. :p


lol - so if we all wrote their names on the ballot (or typed it in a touch screen) - you think we might be able to force them to lead us? :p

Reagan was totally off his rocker!

Ok then, who do you think was the best president in the Last Century?

Franklin D. Roosevelt?

here is a Link that supports his claim:

http://www.tonyrogers.com/humor/faces_of_bush.htm :D
ROFL

Ok then, who do you think was the best president in the Last Century?

Franklin D. Roosevelt?
Yes, probably. Or what kennedy could have been.

Ok then, who do you think was the best president in the Last Century?

Franklin D. Roosevelt?
Perhaps, he did help get the Americans to help us win the war.

lol - so if we all wrote their names on the ballot (or typed it in a touch screen) - you think we might be able to force them to lead us? :p
The touch screen might be a bit iffy (of course you could always just scratch it into the screen) but otherwise that sounds like a brilliant idea! Let me get my pen and my ballot...

The touch screen might be a bit iffy (of course you could always just scratch it into the screen) but otherwise that sounds like a brilliant idea! Let me get my pen and my ballot...
I wonder if I can post a vote.... Nah, Royal Mail would lose it in a draw before it even reached the coast.

I'd vote for him. But silly xenophobic laws won't let me. :p

But I still urge everyone else to vote for him.

Military leaders do not good presidents make. Besides, I’m all in favor of military isolationism.

COMMENTARY: With his experience as a military commander, and his experience as Secretary of State, it is my considered opinion that Colin Powell would make an excellent President of the United States. Since he has been reluctant in the extreme in the past, I wish there were some way I could start a "Draft Powell" movement. Given that he originally enlisted in the military voluntarily, there would be a bit of irony in that, don't you think? :)
Immediate disqualification:

Powell regrets 'mess' of Iraq (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-1773671,00.html)

Turning to his pre-war address to the UN Security Council, when he forcefully made the case for invasion and offered proof that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, General Powell said that he felt terrible about the claims he made. Asked whether the speech would tarnish his reputation, he replied: “Of course it will. It’s a blot. I’m the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world, and (it) will always be part of my record. It was painful. It’s painful now.”

Dishonesty at this level should not be rewarded with the keys to the White House.

Dishonesty at this level should not be rewarded with the keys to the White House.
Should not. Too bad it inavariably is. At least he admits his mistakes, unlike damn near every other political leader.

I tend to agree with this. To me, he seems rational, level-headed, and not "owned" by anyone.
Powell was totally owned by Bush and that makes him a lame duck.

I used to have respect for Powell, but when I witnessed the debacle at the UN, all respect for him went right out the window.

Powell was totally owned by Bush and that makes him a lame duck.
He wasn't owned by Bush. He was the leader of the pro-UN faction in the pre-Iraq debates in the White House.

But when Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld convinced Bush that the UN was crap and that action had to be taken, Powell accepted the majority decision. Maybe he should have resigned, but I don't think he's that type.

Ultimately he put his good name on the line to support the others who had outvoted and outschemed him. And instead of those uppers taking the responsibility, honest Colin took it himself.

Ultimately he's not perfect, but seeing the incapability of the Dems right now, he's the best Republican there is.

Ultimately he's not perfect, but seeing the incapability of the Dems right now, he's the best Republican there is.
Eh?
The next president will undoubtedly be a Democrat. Have you seen Bush’s approval ratings?

Hell yeah!

Eh?
The next president will undoubtedly be a Democrat. Have you seen Bush’s approval ratings?
But who could it be? It seems to me that in popular culture, the Dems have a huge image problem. Only "pinko commies" and "teh liberalz" vote for them.

Eh?
The next president will undoubtedly be a Democrat. Have you seen Bush’s approval ratings?

A week's a long time in politics.

Eh?
The next president will undoubtedly be a Democrat. Have you seen Bush’s approval ratings?
Have you seen the Dems?

I don't think America is ready for a president that isn't a white, christian male.

Colin Powell not a Christian, thats news to me.

I don't know if he is an athiest or not, but I presume he was born into a Christian family, like most African-Americans.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but most African-Americans are non-conformist Protestants (Baptist/Methodist/Lutheren/Seventh Day Adventist etc...)

As for Powell for President, I'm not too sure.

Does a military career background automatically translate into being a good head of state?

Some presidents from the military have proven themselves to be effective and successful leaders in all fields, the economic field included, such as Pinochet in Chile or Suharto in Indonesia.

Other military rulers have proven themselves to be a disaster, Colonel Mengistu in Ethiopia and the Portugese military junta of 1974-76 and of course, Idi Amin of Uganda.

The main question for anyone, in any country who aims to become a leader is how they would handle the economy, for the economy is the root of all other issues that a country deals with.

The USA has a severe problem with national debt. The debt issue can, if ignored and left to grow, cause more damage to the USA than any terrorist group or war.

The person who will take the presidency after President GW Bush in 2009 will have to, as a duty, to solve the debt issue and solve the US budget, which is too high and too much US government money being spent in too many different areas.

The USA can solve the problem of unbalanced budgets and a strong military, simply by reforming the US military into a force which can defend the world from terrorism and other subversion, but at the same time, fight wars in a more cost effective manner.

For example, if the USA takes action against Iran, missile strikes on the intended targets would stop the Iranian government from building a nuclear weapons arsenal, if it is indeed building one.

But the national debt must be the MAIN issue of the US elections of 2008.

Personally, in terms of character alone, all politics aside, I think President Gerald Ford was the nicest of US Presidents. On politics, Reagan and Eisenhower rank the best for the 20th century.

IMO, though, Dr. Rice (current Secetary of State) should have a go at the White House come 2009.

Lol!
If Coulter became president, I would do everything in my power to get the US nuked.

Nah, if Coulter became President she would get the US nuked within a year.

Colin Powell would be a good choice, but the Neocons would never let him get near the Oval Office without a uniform. And I don't mean a military one either.

Nah, if Coulter became President she would get the US nuked within a year.

Colin Powell would be a good choice, but the Neocons would never let him get near the Oval Office without a uniform. And I don't mean a military one either.
Then what do you mean?

I am the most disliked poster on NS! A recent poll gave me that honor woot!

Ladies and gentlemen, an ignorant babbling troll that's honest about his nature!

As a Canadian, Powell has my support. :) He was the ONLY one in the Bush administration that I liked and trusted. Now that he's gone, there is NO saving grace for the gov't.

Colin Powell is a vile worm who made a career out of carrying the lies of the powerful

Colin Powell is a vile worm who made a career out of carrying the lies of the powerful

And what lies would those be.

Either say something of value and back it up or don't say anything at all.

Too many people just make posts saying "he lied" or "the corporations are corrupt" or "the US is fascist".

These nonsensical statements, without any facts or structure only serve to highlight the fact that the far-left usually have no REAL arguement at all and as usual, have no idea on how things work in this world.

And what lies would those be.

Either say something of value and back it up or don't say anything at all.

Too many people just make posts saying "he lied" or "the corporations are corrupt" or "the US is fascist".

These nonsensical statements, without any facts or structure only serve to highlight the fact that the far-left usually have no REAL arguement at all and as usual, have no idea on how things work in this world.
Colin Powell knowingly lied before the UN to justify Bushs sick and immoral war in Iraq--also Powell has been telling lies at least since the veitnam war era--hes a neocon and hes just as evil as the rest of them--and his son at the FCC is a worm just like his dad

As a Canadian, Powell has my support. :) He was the ONLY one in the Bush administration that I liked and trusted. Now that he's gone, there is NO saving grace for the gov't.
good then you can have him cause sensible people in America know hes a sellout

Ladies and gentlemen, an ignorant babbling troll that's honest about his nature!
Ladies and gentlemen, a flamer! That sig been up for awhile and nothing to do with the thread but thanks for throwing in your 2 cents.

These nonsensical statements, without any facts or structure only serve to highlight the fact that the far-left usually have no REAL arguement at all and as usual, have no idea on how things work in this world.
Oh please.

a) You're perfectly aware what lies he is talking about - the WMD talk at the security council which since then has been proven to be false. He thus told people something that is not the truth.

b) "Far-Left"? Have you got any conception of what the far-left actually is?

c) If you think you can use statements like yours to advance any case at all, my impression is that it is you who doesn't know how life really works.

Colin Powell knowingly lied before the UN to justify Bushs sick and immoral war in Iraq

The US government made a MISCALCULATION of Iraq's WMD capabilities. It NEVER lied.

No Government is perfect or correct in it's analysis all the time, governments are made of humans and humans make mistakes.

I personally think the US could have done a deal:

That the US government lifted all sanctions against Ba'athist Iraq and gave it's support to the Saddam regime. In return for Saddam joining the war on terrorism and supporting a solution to the Isreal-Palestinian crisis and NOT supporting Palestinian terrorist groups and gangsters.

That would have meant no civil war in Iraq now and no Jihadist criminals causing terrorism and subversion in the Middle East.

Democracy will NEVER work in Iraq, too many ethnicities and different hostile groups mean that freedom is just an invitation to creating a nation of anarchy and chaos.

The US needs to install a strong leader in Iraq, maybe a Iraqi military officer, say like the government of Pakistan or Eygpt.

That would solve many of the problems in the country.

Oh please.

a) You're perfectly aware what lies he is talking about - the WMD talk at the security council which since then has been proven to be false. He thus told people something that is not the truth.

I'm refering to the loonies who gather around the likes of that whore, Cindy Sheehan and Micheal Moore and other non-entities who keep on with their delusional waffle about 'US Fascism'.

If the US is fascist, where are the US blackshirts, the one party elections etc...

I don't see them, do you?

The Left is so out of touch they now have gone beyond Orwellian concepts like double-speak.

Calling the US 'Fascist' and Cuba a 'Free/Liberated society' hardly is the comment a sane individual would ever make.

Ladies and gentlemen, a flamer! That sig been up for awhile and nothing to do with the thread but thanks for throwing in your 2 cents.

You support the US actions even when it overthrows democracies. My country has been such a victim, and I'll make a point of reminding everyone in this forum that you're a non-person.

You support the US actions even when it overthrows democracies. My country has been such a victim, and I'll make a point of reminding everyone in this forum that you're a non-person.

You're taking him too seriously. He's a textbook disingenuous troll who looks for attention. Anyone who would gladly give Shrub a blowjob and wonder what Dick Cheney's nipples tastes like is not someone who deserves notice, much less attention.

You're taking him too seriously. He's a textbook disingenuous troll who looks for attention. Anyone who would gladly give Shrub a blowjob and wonder what Dick Cheney's nipples tastes like is not someone who deserves notice, much less attention.

Even though you're right, make your point without making me lose my lunch next time. :p

The US government made a MISCALCULATION of Iraq's WMD capabilities. It NEVER lied.

No Government is perfect or correct in it's analysis all the time, governments are made of humans and humans make mistakes.

I personally think the US could have done a deal:

That the US government lifted all sanctions against Ba'athist Iraq and gave it's support to the Saddam regime. In return for Saddam joining the war on terrorism and supporting a solution to the Isreal-Palestinian crisis and NOT supporting Palestinian terrorist groups and gangsters.

That would have meant no civil war in Iraq now and no Jihadist criminals causing terrorism and subversion in the Middle East.

Democracy will NEVER work in Iraq, too many ethnicities and different hostile groups mean that freedom is just an invitation to creating a nation of anarchy and chaos.

The US needs to install a strong leader in Iraq, maybe a Iraqi military officer, say like the government of Pakistan or Eygpt.

That would solve many of the problems in the country.



I'm refering to the loonies who gather around the likes of that whore, Cindy Sheehan and Micheal Moore and other non-entities who keep on with their delusional waffle about 'US Fascism'.

If the US is fascist, where are the US blackshirts, the one party elections etc...

I don't see them, do you?

The Left is so out of touch they now have gone beyond Orwellian concepts like double-speak.

Calling the US 'Fascist' and Cuba a 'Free/Liberated society' hardly is the comment a sane individual would ever make.
Your President is a Pathological Liar--the so called "miscalculation' is Bollocks

How about a Robertson/Coulter ticket? They could call it "God and Me!" :D

They'd need a third so that they could call it the Trinity Ticket, say add Bill O'Reilly and then you're talking....ewwww. Wouldn't that be special. :)

They'd need a third so that they could call it the Trinity Ticket, say add Bill O'Reilly and then you're talking....ewwww. Wouldn't that be special. :)

I'd rather vote for Cthulhu, General Zod, Emperor Palpatine... or if they're not running, a Democrat.

If I was an American I would Vote Colin Powell because hes not on the far-left like Bush but is closer to the middle and he seems to understand and connect with the American people!

Bush is left compared to who? Senator Joseph McCarthy? Vladimir the Impaler?

Your President is a Pathological Liar--the so called "miscalculation' is Bollocks

He is NOT my President, I'm British.

I'd rather vote for Cthulhu, General Zod, Emperor Palpatine... or if they're not running, a Democrat.

It gets better. You could have Doctor Laura could be brought in as America’s new voice in the UN (Bolton ‘s a bit soft on terrorism). Reverend Dobson as the Secretary of State. How could you go wrong? http://67.18.37.14/32/176/emo/icon_teevee.gif

He is NOT my President, I'm British.
Then that's just sadder.

No Government is perfect or correct in it's analysis all the time, governments are made of humans and humans make mistakes.
I have to say that you are quite ignorant of the way the invasion of Iraq came about. I suggest you have a long look through the past four years of PBS's "Frontline" documentaries.

That would solve many of the problems in the country.
You mean like it's solving the problems in Pakistan? :rolleyes:

I'm refering to the loonies who gather around the likes of that whore, Cindy Sheehan and Micheal Moore and other non-entities who keep on with their delusional waffle about 'US Fascism'.
http://www.fordham.edu/HALSALL/MOD/mussolini-fascism.html
You will see that there are quite a few similarities.

At any rate, Michael Moore is doing a good job of doing exactly what a good open society needs: Someone to dissent publicly and investigate some of the shadier relationships that are going on.

Cindy Sheehan - well, I don't know why right-wingers seem so concerned with her. Unless of course the very existence of dissent is a problem to you.

And I would like to see quotes regarding Fascism from both of them.

The Left is so out of touch they now have gone beyond Orwellian concepts like double-speak.
I wish you actually understood what that meant.

Tony Blair is Bushs castrated poodle

I doubt he'd run as a Republican. I doubt they'd allow him to. Maybe he'll run as an independent?

Sickening option either way.

Powell and Rice might make a good team. I'd certainly vote for them. The problem would be convincing Powell's wife, she's been the major reason he hasn't run. Nice that he actually respects his wife's wishes.

From my personal POV, Sheikh Quolin Bin Powell Al Trinidadi could be the worst thing that could happen. He was an instrumental person in the policy to take Pak as an ally after 9/11 and we know how that turned out to be with the top brass of AQ and taliban safely ensconced and protected by the front lyin ally.....

You support the US actions even when it overthrows democracies. My country has been such a victim, and I'll make a point of reminding everyone in this forum that you're a non-person.
Actually Im a real person, and I dont see why you must continue to attack me simply because you disagree with my beliefs. btw, what country are you from if you claim to be a 'victim' of the US

COMMENTARY: With his experience as a military commander, and his experience as Secretary of State, it is my considered opinion that Colin Powell would make an excellent President of the United States. Since he has been reluctant in the extreme in the past, I wish there were some way I could start a "Draft Powell" movement. Given that he originally enlisted in the military voluntarily, there would be a bit of irony in that, don't you think? :)


Powell Warns Against U.S. Isolation (http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,92857,00.html?ESRC=eb.nl)


Associated Press | March 31, 2006
KUTZTOWN, Pa. - Former Secretary of State Colin Powell said America must not allow post-9/11 security concerns to cost the country its sense of openness.

Powell spoke to about 3,000 students, alumni and others Thursday night at Kutztown University's Keystone Arena.

"Terrorists can bomb our buildings and down airliners in Pennsylvania fields, but they cannot change us," he said. "Only we can do that."

Powell, 69, said as secretary of state he was instrumental in enacting security measures following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, including a tightening of visas. But he said he warned President Bush against going too far.

"We have to be careful we don't communicate the wrong message to the world - that America has pulled up its drawbridge," Powell said he told the president.

He urged continuing to welcome foreign students to American colleges, where he said they can better learn to understand American values and be more likely to implement them in their native countries.

"We must remain the open, embracing the country the world wants to believe that is still America," Powell said. "If we do that, we will win over terrorism."

I've always liked Colin Powell. I used to favor McCain more for the Presidency, though. Now that I've tossed McCain away like the neocon asshole he is, I would vote for Powell in a heartbeat. ESPECIALLY if he ran with Rudi Guliani. I'd suggest Rice, but that would probably be pushing it.

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Then again, what with parties tending to one-up each other...if Hillary won the Democratic nomination, you can bet that Condi would at least be the VP candidate for the Republicans, as she'd be a woman AND black. Oneupmanship indeed.

Actually Im a real person, and I dont see why you must continue to attack me simply because you disagree with my beliefs. btw, what country are you from if you claim to be a 'victim' of the US

Brazil. The US served as backup for a staged coup in 1964. You support the US making other countries into dictatorships, for "your freedom", as you put it. I'm not "attacking" you because I disagree with your beliefs anymore than you'd be "attacking" Nazi Germany because you disagree with their beliefs. You'd attack nazi Germany because they've gone crazy due to a hateful ideology. Same principle applies.

Powell vs. Hilary Clinton. Now that would be a good democratic battle, and whoever won, the USA wouldn't be restricted to white men any more!

Powell with Condi. Rice and Hilary with some Democrat chap/chapette. I know little about the Democrats, as they get bugger-all coverage in the news. Sorry.

Hurrah!

I'd also like to remind you crazy chappies that you can complain all you like about the leaders of Afghanistan or whatever, but just remember that you put them into power by helping the Muhaj'adeen.

Powell vs. Hilary Clinton. Now that would be a good democratic battle, and whoever won, the USA wouldn't be restricted to white men any more!

Powell with Condi. Rice and Hilary with some Democrat chap/chapette. I know little about the Democrats, as they get bugger-all coverage in the news. Sorry.

Hurrah!

I'd also like to remind you crazy chappies that you can complain all you like about the leaders of Afghanistan or whatever, but just remember that you put them into power by helping the Muhaj'adeen.
Barack Obama. If the Republicans bring in the race card, then so will the Dems. Barack stands the best chance of being acceptable, so far as I know.

And you're right. It'll be a great election between two GOOD candidates, rather than the last one between two almost equally sucky ones.

Powell has a lot of admirers in Europe. He's a President that we could work with. More power to him if he runs, but if I remember correctly, his wife doesn't want him to.

I've always liked Colin Powell. I used to favor McCain more for the Presidency, though. Now that I've tossed McCain away like the neocon asshole he is, I would vote for Powell in a heartbeat. ESPECIALLY if he ran with Rudi Guliani. I'd suggest Rice, but that would probably be pushing it.

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Then again, what with parties tending to one-up each other...if Hillary won the Democratic nomination, you can bet that Condi would at least be the VP candidate for the Republicans, as she'd be a woman AND black. Oneupmanship indeed.
every single person you listed is a neocon scum and no different then McCain in any significant way and Guiliani is a hamfisted fascist

every single person you listed is a neocon scum and no different then McCain in any significant way
You, my friend, seem as uninformed as Romulan Os.

Brazil. The US served as backup for a staged coup in 1964. You support the US making other countries into dictatorships, for "your freedom", as you put it. I'm not "attacking" you because I disagree with your beliefs anymore than you'd be "attacking" Nazi Germany because you disagree with their beliefs. You'd attack nazi Germany because they've gone crazy due to a hateful ideology. Same principle applies.
I agree that US foreign policy has sponsored many holocausts in Latin America but now in reaction to Bush Latin America is getting its revenge and electing many progressive saviours

Barack Obama. If the Republicans bring in the race card, then so will the Dems. Barack stands the best chance of being acceptable, so far as I know.

And you're right. It'll be a great election between two GOOD candidates, rather than the last one between two almost equally sucky ones.
Rice will NEVER win an election in America shes damaged goods

Powell has a lot of admirers in Europe. He's a President that we could work with. More power to him if he runs, but if I remember correctly, his wife doesn't want him to.
Good then let Europe take Powell--we have enough trash like him in our country as it is

... you can complain all you like about the leaders of Afghanistan or whatever, but just remember that you put them into power by helping the Muhaj'adeen.
Yes, hindsight is a truly wonderful thing. :rolleyes:

every single person you listed is a neocon scum and no different then McCain in any significant way and Guiliani is a hamfisted fascist
Yeah, but then again, so's yer MOMMA! :p

Rice will NEVER win an election in America shes damaged goods
Meaning she's no longer a virgin. Nice try. :rolleyes:

Good then let Europe take Powell--we have enough trash like him in our country as it is
"Our" Country. "OUR" Country. AS IF!

Good then let Europe take Powell--we have enough trash like him in our country as it is

And what, may I ask, do you mean by that?

What the USA needs is people who are willing to co-operate with Europe.

The general population of basically every European country finds your government at very least incompetent, and many dislike your sabre-rattling and your odd thoughts on democracy.

I, for one, cannot see how you have helped democracy when you've put dictators like Saddam Hussein into power and yet won't open talks with the Palestinian government, which is in power due to popular consensus.

Meaning she's no longer a virgin. Nice try. :rolleyes:
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Oh. Uh... you've misunderstood the usage of the phrase you're responding to with this post. 'Damaged goods' has meaning other than the one you've indicated in the above-quoted post. Look it up.

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Oh. Uh... you've misunderstood the usage of the phrase you're responding to with this post. 'Damaged goods' has meaning other than the one you've indicated in the above-quoted post. Look it up.
No thanks. I refuse to waste any more than minimal time on this fruitcake. :p

what is colin powel doing these days? if hes not building an organization to get him elected, he's too late to get it done. is he working for some think tank or charity organization or is he just retired?

while i like him very much and i think we could use a man like him as president, he has a few big strikes against him. he didnt run in '00 for a reason and i dont think its going to change now.

he doesnt want his wife to be exposed to the character assassination implied in a run for the whitehouse

he probably couldnt stomach the viscious republican primaries where they will say and do anything to cut him down.

i cant imagine that he isnt anything but bitter over the shabby way he was treated by the bush administration. that would certainly ruin politics for ME.

he is too old. he was born 4/5/37 in januaray '09 he will be almost 72. leaving office in '12 he would be 76. thats just too old.

You, my friend, seem as uninformed as Romulan Os.

Pssst....I think there might be a connection. ;)

Pssst....I think there might be a connection. ;)
Perhaps even a hint of strings dangling from the upper floor...

Though I like Powell - here is what many on the extreme left think of him;

http://www.blackcommentator.com/14_belafonte.html

There's an old saying in the days of slavery. There are those slaves who lived on the plantation, and there were those slaves who lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master. Colin Powell was permitted to come into the house of the master.

I would like to thank The Cat-Tribe for providing a deeper background on the origin of this description;
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=474580&page=4

Malcolm X would have some choice words about this type of thing:

To understand this, you have to go back to what [the] young brother here referred to as the house Negro and the field Negro -- back during slavery. There was two kinds of slaves. There was the house Negro and the field Negro. The house Negroes - they lived in the house with master, they dressed pretty good, they ate good 'cause they ate his food -- what he left. They lived in the attic or the basement, but still they lived near the master; and they loved their master more than the master loved himself. They would give their life to save the master's house quicker than the master would. The house Negro, if the master said, "We got a good house here," the house Negro would say, "Yeah, we got a good house here." Whenever the master said "we," he said "we." That's how you can tell a house Negro.

If the master's house caught on fire, the house Negro would fight harder to put the blaze out than the master would. If the master got sick, the house Negro would say, "What's the matter, boss, we sick?" We sick! He identified himself with his master more than his master identified with himself. And if you came to the house Negro and said, "Let's run away, let's escape, let's separate," the house Negro would look at you and say, "Man, you crazy. What you mean, separate? Where is there a better house than this? Where can I wear better clothes than this? Where can I eat better food than this?" That was that house Negro. In those days he was called a "house ******." And that's what we call him today, because we've still got some house niggers running around here.

This modern house Negro loves his master. He wants to live near him. He'll pay three times as much as the house is worth just to live near his master, and then brag about "I'm the only Negro out here." "I'm the only one on my job." "I'm the only one in this school." You're nothing but a house Negro. And if someone comes to you right now and says, "Let's separate," you say the same thing that the house Negro said on the plantation. "What you mean, separate? From America? This good white man? Where you going to get a better job than you get here?" I mean, this is what you say. "I ain't left nothing in Africa," that's what you say. Why, you left your mind in Africa.

On that same plantation, there was the field Negro. The field Negro -- those were the masses. There were always more Negroes in the field than there was Negroes in the house. The Negro in the field caught hell. He ate leftovers. In the house they ate high up on the hog. The Negro in the field didn't get nothing but what was left of the insides of the hog. They call 'em "chitt'lin'" nowadays. In those days they called them what they were: guts. That's what you were -- a gut-eater. And some of you all still gut-eaters.

The field Negro was beaten from morning to night. He lived in a shack, in a hut; He wore old, castoff clothes. He hated his master. I say he hated his master. He was intelligent. That house Negro loved his master. But that field Negro -- remember, they were in the majority, and they hated the master. When the house caught on fire, he didn't try and put it out; that field Negro prayed for a wind, for a breeze. When the master got sick, the field Negro prayed that he'd die. If someone come [sic] to the field Negro and said, "Let's separate, let's run," he didn't say "Where we going?" He'd say, "Any place is better than here." You've got field Negroes in America today. I'm a field Negro. The masses are the field Negroes. When they see this man's house on fire, you don't hear these little Negroes talking about "our government is in trouble." They say, "The government is in trouble." Imagine a Negro: "Our government"! I even heard one say "our astronauts." They won't even let him near the plant -- and "our astronauts"! "Our Navy" -- that's a Negro that's out of his mind. That's a Negro that's out of his mind.

Just as the slavemaster of that day used Tom, the house Negro, to keep the field Negroes in check, the same old slavemaster today has Negroes who are nothing but modern Uncle Toms, 20th century Uncle Toms, to keep you and me in check, keep us under control, keep us passive and peaceful and nonviolent


Frankly - I don't think Powell has the stomach for the soiling every politicians name must take. It is particularly bad in his case because he is both black and conservative. He would be slammed by both extreme ends.

i hate that kind of thinking. that there is only one way for a black man to be and still be black. that to chose a different path is to be a race traitor.

i cant imagine anyone being willing to endure the crap that colin powell would have to endure to get the presidency.

He told Tom Clancy, a friend of his, that he would never run for President.

Meaning she's no longer a virgin. Nice try. :rolleyes:
well shes still a virgin at least as far as men are concerned;)

"Our" Country. "OUR" Country. AS IF!
I knowe your values arent exactly American but Im being charitable since you were prly born here

And what, may I ask, do you mean by that?

What the USA needs is people who are willing to co-operate with Europe.

The general population of basically every European country finds your government at very least incompetent, and many dislike your sabre-rattling and your odd thoughts on democracy.

I, for one, cannot see how you have helped democracy when you've put dictators like Saddam Hussein into power and yet won't open talks with the Palestinian government, which is in power due to popular consensus.
I totally agree which is why it boggles my mind why youd like a soulless sellout like Powell

i hate that kind of thinking. that there is only one way for a black man to be and still be black. that to chose a different path is to be a race traitor.

i cant imagine anyone being willing to endure the crap that colin powell would have to endure to get the presidency.
Colin Powell deserves all the crap that he gets and if he declares for President he should be raked over the coals

He told Tom Clancy, a friend of his, that he would never run for President.
wise choice

Put a swede on the throne.

Im sick of Powell trying to have it both ways--still acten like a scumbag but trying to come out smelling like a rose regardless--there were many times Powell couldve taken a Bold Stance and made a Big Difference but when push came to shove Powell caved in over and over and over again to the forces of Darkness just one too many times--Hes Lost all his lustre and credability as far as Im concerned and hes one of THEM he just doesnt want to be seen as one of THEM but I see thru his facade

Im sick of Powell trying to have it both ways--still acten like a scumbag but trying to come out smelling like a rose regardless--there were many times Powell couldve taken a Bold Stance and made a Big Difference but when push came to shove Powell caved in over and over and over again to the forces of Darkness just one too many times--Hes Lost all his lustre and credability as far as Im concerned and hes one of THEM he just doesnt want to be seen as one of THEM but I see thru his facade
What are you, about twelve? :rolleyes:

No, he's Romulan Os reincarnated.

As for Powell: his family saw too much assassination and the like while they were growing up, so they fear assassination if Colin becomes President. Colin is a family man: he listens to his wife. He'll never run. Which is a damned shame, really.

Yes Colin should be. His logan should be "Lets make the white house a black house."

But who could it be? It seems to me that in popular culture, the Dems have a huge image problem. Only "pinko commies" and "teh liberalz" vote for them.
What? That just isn’t true. Membership in the Democratic party hasn’t declined and all it will take is for half of the unaffiliated voters to vote Democrat.

America hates Colin Powell--send him and his rotten spawn to Europe

I really don't care WHAT political party he's in. I've seen his decision making skills, I'd vote for him if I could! Alas, in America, you have to be 18, and I'm only 13.

I really don't care WHAT political party he's in. I've seen his decision making skills, I'd vote for him if I could! Alas, in America, you have to be 18, and I'm only 13.
what decision making skills?

like how best to crawl across the ground on his belly like a good little grovellor?

i hate that kind of thinking. that there is only one way for a black man to be and still be black. that to chose a different path is to be a race traitor.

i cant imagine anyone being willing to endure the crap that colin powell would have to endure to get the presidency.


It's is two sides of the ugly racism coin. Peopl ehave forgotton that before they are black, white, hispanic, martian or whatever, they are American. If we could all find that place this country would be better off.

If Powell ran for President, I would definitely take the time to get my ass out of bed and stand in line to vote for him.

if Powell ran for President all the lies he told will be thrown back in his face on the campaign trail

if Powell ran for President all the lies he told will be thrown back in his face on the campaign trail

Skap, who would make a good president?

I'd vote for Powell in a second. Unfortunately, as far as I've ever heard, he's got no desire to run for president.

I could sooner see an African-American president than a woman one in the current US cultural climate.

Colin powell would be in good company with presidents like Eisenhower, Grant, and Jackson. Would probably be about as good, too(using good in a very light sense).

It may have been mentioned earlier. But, I think he hasn't thrown his hat into it earlier because of his role in the cover up of village massacres during the war in Vietnam.

For that reason alone, he should not be the leader of this country.

What about Condalizza Rice? She's got my vote.

i hope that never happens and thats all im sayin, except we need Bill Back

i don't think he would win, i probably wouldn't vote for him, and the democrats need to run a canidate that could actually win

Colin Powell not a Christian, thats news to me.

I don't know if he is an athiest or not, but I presume he was born into a Christian family, like most African-Americans.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but most African-Americans are non-conformist Protestants (Baptist/Methodist/Lutheren/Seventh Day Adventist etc...)

As for Powell for President, I'm not too sure.

Does a military career background automatically translate into being a good head of state?

Some presidents from the military have proven themselves to be effective and successful leaders in all fields, the economic field included, such as Pinochet in Chile or Suharto in Indonesia.

Other military rulers have proven themselves to be a disaster, Colonel Mengistu in Ethiopia and the Portugese military junta of 1974-76 and of course, Idi Amin of Uganda.

The main question for anyone, in any country who aims to become a leader is how they would handle the economy, for the economy is the root of all other issues that a country deals with.

The USA has a severe problem with national debt. The debt issue can, if ignored and left to grow, cause more damage to the USA than any terrorist group or war.

The person who will take the presidency after President GW Bush in 2009 will have to, as a duty, to solve the debt issue and solve the US budget, which is too high and too much US government money being spent in too many different areas.

The USA can solve the problem of unbalanced budgets and a strong military, simply by reforming the US military into a force which can defend the world from terrorism and other subversion, but at the same time, fight wars in a more cost effective manner.

For example, if the USA takes action against Iran, missile strikes on the intended targets would stop the Iranian government from building a nuclear weapons arsenal, if it is indeed building one.

But the national debt must be the MAIN issue of the US elections of 2008.

Personally, in terms of character alone, all politics aside, I think President Gerald Ford was the nicest of US Presidents. On politics, Reagan and Eisenhower rank the best for the 20th century.

IMO, though, Dr. Rice (current Secetary of State) should have a go at the White House come 2009.

Suharto was a terrible leader.

If I lived in America, could vote and Powell ran for President, I would definatly vote for him.

I really liked Powell. It was a shame that the current Bush regime had a purge of all of Powell’s supporters in the White House (the night of the red pens). All because Powell never wanted the invasion of Iraq (either when he was a General or in the White House). That and Powell was so much more charismatic than Bush and Junior felt threatened.

As President, Powell wouldn’t have to put up with the crap from the neocons he currently has to. He’d do the right thing.

i'm not so sure about that.

i have read..maybe falsely..that he is the primary reason behind g/w2

something about him circumventing the chain of command and going to congress to call g/w 1 short of getting saddam.

something along those lines,as well as pulling airsupport for the kurds and shiites after bush called for them to rebel against the horrible human saddam was/is.

i may be wrong..so i will do more research.

i just am soooo cynical now..with all politicians...that i just dont blindly follow.

also...you dont make it to being the head of the joint chief of staff without being a politician...period....never happen

plus i heard some pretty negative comments about his ability to lead when he was in fort lewis i believe?

just speculation...but a caution to not jump on any bandwagons.