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Think of it this way, everything, and I mean everything is predicated on violence or exploitation/the exclusion or dissapearance of something else. Evolution-species are terminated if they cant exploit their environment successfully, exploit being the operative word. Violence permeates the most fundamental levels of reality. Ideologies, altruistic belief systems, they all involve the exclusion of something else and are divisible to self interest or individual agency at the expense of others in any sense of the word. So if the universe is based on existence/non existence which entails violence, does it suck?

You need to go outside and play with the other kids.

I can just imagine reading this in some ancient Greek philosophical text.;)

Does the universe inherently suck?

Black Holes. *nod*

Yes, the universe pretty much does inherently suck like a cyclone, at least for people like me.

It is often said that even the most tranquil forest is a battlefield, an unending war of all against all. So yeah, we're screwed.

The best one possible. Possible...

The thing is, if the entire universe were devoid of exploitation, it would be a utopia. Everyone knows utopias are too boring to be practical

Do you want the short answer or the long answer?
Short answer: yes
Long answer: yyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeesssssssss

The universe is inherently pie.

Depends whether you like violence.

The best one possible. Possible...
Leibniz was way too optimistic. This can't be the best world possible. And yes, it inherently sucks ass, horribly.

Only this half of the Universe. The other half is awesome!!!

Too bad it's kind of far.

Does the universe inherently suck?
No. It's constantly expanding. It is more accurate to say the universe inherently blows.

Black Holes. *nod*

Damnit! That was my pun!

No. It's constantly expanding. It is more accurate to say the universe inherently blows.
however, due to the expansion, most of the universe is hard vaccum. so yes, it does suck... and suck mightily.

the put in religious terms the universe is purgatory, its not hell but its far away from the ideal or heaven

Damnit! That was my pun!
suxs 2 B U! :D

The universe doesn't suck. The universe Chuck Norrises.

however, due to the expansion, most of the universe is hard vaccum. so yes, it does suck... and suck mightily.
But it blows even mightilier, since it's apparently accelerating. So I'd say there is a net blowage effect.

The universe has no morality, it simply is. There is nothing good or bad about violence; the same concept of violence that leads to suffering and "evil" is the creative force that drives the universe and is "good".

ok, but isnt the universe on a downward spiral? if it keeps expanding eventually there will be nothing left. Thats not good is it although it means nothing one way or the other...hmmm

ok, but isnt the universe on a downward spiral? if it keeps expanding eventually there will be nothing left. Thats not good is it although it means nothing one way or the other...hmmm

No, it will probably start recollapsing in to a new Big Bang, and will then reexpand, and recontract, ad infinitum.

Of course, this materialistic view of the universe does not include intervention by deities and whatnot.

But it blows even mightilier, since it's apparently accelerating. So I'd say there is a net blowage effect.
well that could explain solar winds... so the universe is Blowing Wind eh?

No, it will probably start recollapsing in to a new Big Bang, and will then reexpand, and recontract, ad infinitum.

Of course, this materialistic view of the universe does not include intervention by deities and whatnot.

nah, it'll probably keep on expanding forever untill everything is so cold and far away from everything else that no life can exist.

Then it'll suck.

Think of it this way, everything, and I mean everything is predicated on violence or exploitation/the exclusion or dissapearance of something else. Evolution-species are terminated if they cant exploit their environment successfully, exploit being the operative word. Violence permeates the most fundamental levels of reality. Ideologies, altruistic belief systems, they all involve the exclusion of something else and are divisible to self interest or individual agency at the expense of others in any sense of the word. So if the universe is based on existence/non existence which entails violence, does it suck?

Well if what you've just siad is true, life CAN'T exist without violence or exclusion, because by accepting one possibility in a situation all others are excluded.

So, life with violence might suck, but what would life without it actually be like?

No, it will probably start recollapsing in to a new Big Bang, and will then reexpand, and recontract, ad infinitum.

Of course, this materialistic view of the universe does not include intervention by deities and whatnot.

i think the evidence points towards it expanding forever

13.5 Billions years ago, the Universe began. Making a lot of people very angry.

Think of it this way, everything, and I mean everything is predicated on violence or exploitation/the exclusion or dissapearance of something else. Evolution-species are terminated if they cant exploit their environment successfully, exploit being the operative word. Violence permeates the most fundamental levels of reality. Ideologies, altruistic belief systems, they all involve the exclusion of something else and are divisible to self interest or individual agency at the expense of others in any sense of the word. So if the universe is based on existence/non existence which entails violence, does it suck?

Really this is just a very pessimistic way to look at it. You are looking at it from the view that this universe exists at the expense of some other universe that would have existed had this one not "killed" that one.

The more optimistic view is that this universe exists and if it didn't, then there wouldn't be a universe. The absence of a universe would neither suck, nor blow, but it wouldn't rock either. It would just sit there, not existing, forever. So yeah, it would suck too. And in my opinion, that would suck harder than our current universe, which, incidentally, could be why our universe is expanding.

It is often said that even the most tranquil forest is a battlefield, an unending war of all against all. So yeah, we're screwed.
Sorry... "often said"?

It both sucks and blows, blows up that is. Black holes and supernovas are hard to ignore.

Sorry... "often said"?
watch any nature documentary on forests and jungles. plants wage wars trying to get the best nutrients as well as the sunlight. animals fight for everything from Food, to territory, to mates as well as protecting offspring.

13.5 Billions years ago, the Universe began. Making a lot of people very angry.

We're not sure about that, though...the evidence is still not adequate enough to confirm the "cold death" hypothesis. Either way, I'll be many thousands of lifetimes dead before that happens.

We're not sure about that, though...the evidence is still not adequate enough to confirm the "cold death" hypothesis. Either way, I'll be many thousands of lifetimes dead before that happens.

Yeah we're not sue about that number, but it's the general accepted age of the universe.

Yeah we're not sue about that number, but it's the general accepted age of the universe.

I thought that it was 6000 years!?:p

I knew the age of the universe was 13.5 billion years; I was addressing the "cold death" part of it in my post but I wasn't clear when I wrote it.

The constant struggle to hold your head above the water is what makes the Universe worth living in. Without fighting, there is just lying there and waiting to die; not a very happy thought.

Does the universe inherently suck?

No. Nature abhors a vacuum.

That depends entirely on your definiton of "suck."

Think of it this way, everything, and I mean everything is predicated on violence or exploitation/the exclusion or dissapearance of something else. Evolution-species are terminated if they cant exploit their environment successfully, exploit being the operative word. Violence permeates the most fundamental levels of reality. Ideologies, altruistic belief systems, they all involve the exclusion of something else and are divisible to self interest or individual agency at the expense of others in any sense of the word. So if the universe is based on existence/non existence which entails violence, does it suck?
The semantic aftereffects might be all we're seeing at this point, but obviously the big bang and expansion are kinda contradictory to most respects of "suck"ing. It's a rearrangement. So the trick is to stay on your toes and not be too sensitive.
BTW, on a personal note, this is just about verbatim to my mom's philosophy.

Most likely.

The universe doesn't suck. Humanity sucks because you're pondering whether or not it sucks. Animals and such couldn't care less. Quit being human, and problem solved. Keep in mind this is theory.

Only if you stop blowing.