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Well when some of you first see this you will proberly think that the U.S has de-Classified some new weapons to fight the War on Terrorism, But you couldent be anymore wrong!

http://www.tonyrogers.com/news/iran_radarevading_missile.htm

I don't know about some of you but is this the International Version of "little guy threatens big guy and big guy smacks little guy on the head!" after seeing this page I think that Iran needs sorting Now!

What do some of you think is it just Pro-Tehran Properganda or do they really have some thing like this?

Please post what you think.

I doubt they have anything of the sort. They have decades to go before their missile technology catches up even with Russia's.

Thousands of Iranian troops are beginning war games in the Gulf to prepare the country’s armed forces for warding off “threats” amid increasing tensions with the West over Tehran’s nuclear program.

Sounds like they know whats coming!

Well when some of you first see this you will proberly think that the U.S has de-Classified some new weapons to fight the War on Terrorism, But you couldent be anymore wrong!

http://www.tonyrogers.com/news/iran_radarevading_missile.htm

I don't know about some of you but is this the International Version of "little guy threatens big guy and big guy smacks little guy on the head!" after seeing this page I think that Iran needs sorting Now!

What do some of you think is it just Pro-Tehran Properganda or do they really have some thing like this?

Please post what you think.
Russia just recently announced that it had a high-speed cruise missile that takes evasive action to prevent being shot down. Russia's missile technology is much more advanced than Iran's. If it took Russia this long to develop such a weapon, Tehran's got a few years to go before they'll have it.

BTW, the US has a new ramjet powered rocket target that is supersonic and manuverable. It's probably to test and improve accuracy on our missile defense systems before we have to shoot down the new Russian missiles.

http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Orbital_Receives_Contract_From_US_Navy_For_Coyote_Sea_Skimming_Target_Missiles.html

With this new US Navy Missile I think that the days of the Harpoon Anti-ship Cruise Missile are almost over

I could stop them. ((In the Navy, my job was anti-ship missile defense.))

I could stop them. ((In the Navy, my job was anti-ship missile defense.))

Do you think It could Avoid Phalanx (R2D2's)

I have my doubts about the reliability of the site in question.

I have my doubts about the reliability of the site in question.

Why's that?

Do you think It could Avoid Phalanx (R2D2's)

I have been told that CIWS(Phalanx) has a 50% success rate.

I don't know if it's true, or if I was just told that to scare me into not relying on it, but I have seen CIWS miss it's target. SO there's a very good reason why it's the LAST line of defense. I consider it unreliable.

The most reliable form of anti-ship missile defense is jamming. A properly run shipboard Electronic Warfare unit should have potential nearby threats analyzed long before a targeting radar goes active. Once active, that targeting radar can be jammed, thus delaying missile launch. Even a delay of 2 minutes can provide enough time for a response to eliminate the threat before missiles can be fired.

However, IF a missile is launched, there are deception techniques. Several of them. They will fool a missile into hitting a phantom target and thus, missing the ship.

I was taught never to rely on anti-missile missiles or CIWS. Still, a 50% success rate is not THAT bad.

BTW, Unlike in NationStates roleplay, enemies do NOT launch 1200 missiles at your fleet. :p

Why's that?

I naturally distrust all information that comes from a blog without a reputable source, the author's obvious right-wing views are a bonus.

Two points:
One- The Russians have also been accused of leaking sensitive military info to Iraq. What's to stop them from giving Iran a few missiles?

Two- Why do people assume that Russia is going to launch missiles at the US? Do you really think Russia wants to be turned into a massive sheet of glass? Honestly, the missile defense program is total crap. It's more likely that a terrorist is going to get the US from the inside, rather than an overt missile strike from some other country.

I have been told that CIWS(Phalanx) has a 50% success rate.

I don't know if it's true, or if I was just told that to scare me into not relying on it, but I have seen CIWS miss it's target. SO there's a very good reason why it's the LAST line of defense. I consider it unreliable.

The most reliable form of anti-ship missile defense is jamming. A properly run shipboard Electronic Warfare unit should have potential nearby threats analyzed long before a targeting radar goes active. Once active, that targeting radar can be jammed, thus delaying missile launch. Even a delay of 2 minutes can provide enough time for a response to eliminate the threat before missiles can be fired.

However, IF a missile is launched, there are deception techniques. Several of them. They will fool a missile into hitting a phantom target and thus, missing the ship.

I was taught never to rely on anti-missile missiles or CIWS. Still, a 50% success rate is not THAT bad.

BTW, Unlike in NationStates roleplay, enemies do NOT launch 1200 missiles at your fleet. :p
As I recall from my days fo planing "War at Sea" strikes, there is always a way to cause the enemy considerable distress. Launching HARMS to shut down the radar, followed by HARPOONS was always a good way to start a strike.

Two points:
One- The Russians have also been accused of leaking sensitive military info to Iraq. What's to stop them from giving Iran a few missiles?
Yeah, that information made all the difference. :p

I'd like to ask from where all these people get their understanding of geopolitics. Dale Brown novels? :rolleyes:

Two points:
One- The Russians have also been accused of leaking sensitive military info to Iraq. What's to stop them from giving Iran a few missiles?

Two- Why do people assume that Russia is going to launch missiles at the US? Do you really think Russia wants to be turned into a massive sheet of glass? Honestly, the missile defense program is total crap. It's more likely that a terrorist is going to get the US from the inside, rather than an overt missile strike from some other country.
1) Nobody "gives" away weapons like that. There's always a trade off. Since Russia makes it's own oil and Iran's only export other than oil is trouble, I don't see what Russia would get out of it.

2) Nobody assumes that Russia will launch weapons at the US. However, if there's a weapon out there and you don't try to develop a defense for it you almost deserve to get attacked for stupidity.

As I recall from my days fo planing "War at Sea" strikes, there is always a way to cause the enemy considerable distress. Launching HARMS to shut down the radar, followed by HARPOONS was always a good way to start a strike.

A common tactic with EA-6B aircraft. Either the enemy targets the plane and dies, or they don't and die. :)

Now that the Prowler is being phased out, I really hope the new ES/EA version of the Hornet is up to the challenge. The Prowler rocked.

This is just posturing on the part of Iran to let NATO know that they aren’t virtually unarmed the way Iraq was.

Russia is selective about where its high-end toys go. China, India, and Malaysia are looking to get some high-end aviation frames, but does anyone remember Iraq having Su-37’s, T-80’s, or next generation mobile missile launchers? Iraq had to sneak in East German specialists to tweak their SCUD’s to get the range to hit Israel. The only time Russia sells its best stuff is when it requires foreign markets to help develop their product (like the Su-37 deal with India).

In the case of Iraq and Iran, most of their most dangerous weapons all came from the US government. Antrax for Iraq (amongst other things to keep a militant puppet happy) and the Iran-Contra deal wasn’t that bad for Iran either. In 1997 they started building their own fighter jets after reverse engineering some of the models the US had previously given them.


“Some sources claim that the Russians are helping a solid-fuel design team at the Shahid Bagheri Industrial Group in Teheran develop a 2800-mile missile, capable of reaching London and Paris, and a 6300-mile [10,000 km] range missile that could strike cities in the eastern United States. These reports are poorly documented and would appear to be highly speculative.”

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/shahab-6.htm

Nobody assumes that Russia will launch weapons at the US. However, if there's a weapon out there and you don't try to develop a defense for it you almost deserve to get attacked for stupidity.

Isn't the Peoples Republic of China more of a threat than Russia as they are said to be the a Superpower?

Isn't the Peoples Republic of China more of a threat than Russia as they are said to be the a Superpower?
Neither one is a serious military threat. Their only weapon against us is their nuclear arsenal, and it would be suicide to use that.

A common tactic with EA-6B aircraft. Either the enemy targets the plane and dies, or they don't and die. :)

Now that the Prowler is being phased out, I really hope the new ES/EA version of the Hornet is up to the challenge. The Prowler rocked.
Wait! When did the Navy decide to retire the Prowler? And no, the Hornet can never replace a plane like the EA-6B.

Wait! When did the Navy decide to retire the Prowler? And no, the Hornet can never replace a plane like the EA-6B.

It was announced a couple years ago. I've heard they are replacing it with a modified Hornet. I'll try to confirm this, but if anybody can save me the time, I'd be grateful(There are a lot of military buffs here).

Neither one is a serious military threat. Their only weapon against us is their nuclear arsenal, and it would be suicide to use that.

Mutually Assured Destruction (M.A.D) for everyone around the world I just hope Terrorists havent seen "The Sum of All Fears":(

Awesome...Iran is developing technology that the US and USSR had two decades ago! That's one of many reasons why I'm not worried about Iran launching any real military strike...short of buying technology they hare hopelessly militarily behind NATO and Israel.

If we have to, we can own the Iranian military, but I don't think that is necessary or prudent at this time.

Most high-end Iranian weapons platforms (tanks and jets) are in fact just cobbled together pieces of American and Russian (often Chinese variants) models that they have reverse engineered. It’s there way of getting around any bans on selling them weapons, although obviously they would be severely limited in exporting this tech because it’s all in violation of a lot of patents. Iran have realized that they need to be self sufficient in terms of arms though and have long since taken the steps necessary to provide for their own protection.

In missile development Iran is getting some help from North Korea and China. The current SAM system should be a concern to the US, who are talking about air strikes:

“In the early 1990s China first publicly displayed its first mobile low-altitude and ultra-low-altitude missile -- the "Feimeng (Flying Midge)-80." Using a combination of infrared, television and radar guidance systems, this air defense missile system is under wireless command control all the way, which gives it excellent resistance to passive jamming, active jamming and crustal and meteorological noises. Compared to similar types of advanced air defense missiles abroad, the "Feimeng-80" is superior to the US Chaparrel, the British Rapier, and the German and French Roland in all-weather capability, combat response time, combat air space, and ability to deal with multiple targets. Its overall performance is comparable to the improved Sidewinder.

At the end of 1998, the "Feimeng-90," an improved version of the "Feimeng-80," was introduced. Compared to the old system, the target seeking range of the new system is increased from 18,400 meters to 25,000 meters, the homing range is increased from 17,000 meters to 20,000 meters, the maximum speed is increased from 750 meters/second to 900 meters/second, and the maximum range is increased from 12,000 meters to 15,000 meters, thus enhancing its long-range combat capability. At the same time, its maximum ultra radio frequency height is reduced from 30 meters to 15 meters. The new system also makes use of two-waveband radar instead of ordinary radar and features an improved television tracking system, which greatly increases its combat effectiveness.”

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/hq-7.htm

Neither one is a serious military threat. Their only weapon against us is their nuclear arsenal, and it would be suicide to use that.

Anyone who thinks China and Russia are incapable of being a military threat are kidding themselves. Start fighting over the scraps of a protectorate with one of these nations and you'll be in for a world of hurt.

Anyone who thinks China and Russia are incapable of being a military threat are kidding themselves. Start fighting over the scraps of a protectorate with one of these nations and you'll be in for a world of hurt.

Russia and China would gladly support an attack on Iran if we agree to allow them to have a share in the auctioning off of Iran's state owned petroleum and gas assets...the only thing they care about Iran for is its oil and nothing more.

Russia and China would gladly support an attack on Iran if we agree to allow them to have a share in the auctioning off of Iran's state owned petroleum and gas assets...the only thing they care about Iran for is its oil and nothing more.

China could move Troops through Kazakstan and invade on there own if they really wanted Iranian Oil. It could also Improve some Internation relations with the West. But then The UN would slap Sansions on China for not leaving there new Oil source.

China could move Troops through Kazakstan and invade on there own if they really wanted Iranian Oil. It could also Improve some Internation relations with the West.

I doubt Kazakhstan would like large numbers of Chinese troops moving in to their territory for any reason; China would prefer the US and its allies to do it because the EU, NATO and US would have much more ease securing passage of troops and airspace over neutral nations to attack Iran.

I doubt Kazakhstan would like large numbers of Chinese troops moving in to their territory for any reason; China would prefer the US and its allies to do it because the EU, NATO and US would have much more ease securing passage of troops and airspace over neutral nations to attack Iran.

I sometimes wounder if Coalition Special forces are already in Iran gathering Intel and Painting Boarder Communication stations?

Here we go:

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,15410-1140353,00.html

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,15410-1140060,00.html

This is a story that was on the News a while back when British Troops had been Captured in Iran. The Men said they got lost but they could have been doing recon.

Anyone who thinks China and Russia are incapable of being a military threat are kidding themselves. Start fighting over the scraps of a protectorate with one of these nations and you'll be in for a world of hurt.
They're incapable of being a military threat to the US homeland. China's navy is a joke. Russia's is not nearly as powerful as it was during the cold war, and our navy was much stronger even back then. They can't really hit the US with anything but a nuclear missile.

They're incapable of being a military threat to the US homeland. China's navy is a joke. Russia's is not nearly as powerful as it was during the cold war, and our navy was much stronger even back then. They can't really hit the US with anything but a nuclear missile.

But then America would get smoked on if it thought it could invade either Russia or China either so this proves very little.

But then America would get smoked on if it thought it could invade either Russia or China either so this proves very little.
At least we could land on their shores. More than you can say for them. Still, I agree. It proves nothing.