NationStates Jolt Archive

I'm going to vote for the Conservative Party.

Lib Dem.

I have also applied to be a counter at the local election.

Lib Dem.

I have also applied to be a counter at the local election.

Is the new LDP leader, Menzis Cambell, part of the free market wing, moderate of the party or the more extreme Leftist section of it?

Here's hoping the BNP scumbags don't get anymore votes - and their UKIP allies, as well.

Is the new LDP leader, Menzis Cambell, part of the free market wing, moderate of the party or the more extreme Leftist section of it?
You're missing some letters there - it's Menzies (or Ming, for short) Campbell. He generally concentrated on foreign affairs before becoming leader. So far in domestic issues he seems fairly moderate - I think he's really a leftie, but wants to keep the Orange Book Brigade (free market, right-wing Lib Dems) happy.

Here's hoping the BNP scumbags don't get anymore votes - and their UKIP allies, as well.
That's a bit harsh. UKIP are nowhere near as racist as the BNP.

Here's hoping the BNP scumbags don't get anymore votes - and their UKIP allies, as well.

The UKIP have NO links to the BNP whatsoever, I am a former UKIP member myself and still donate money to the UKIP and meet up with their members.

UKIP is in the main, made up of people who either NEVER were members of a party before or members of the Conservative Party.

Unless you can provide a good arguement and some EVIDENCE, please stop with the cheap, re-hashed left-wing tactic of calling everyone who does not see your 'world view' as Fascist.

OMG, who voted 'Green'!

I'm suprised that party is even taken as a proper and credible alternative by some.

conservatives, I think labour have got away with too much for too long. Lib Dem foreign policy is not something I'm fond of. Their turn towards Europe and away from our Anglophone links seems a bad idea. In my opinion Europian governments are less free and their currrent economic model is too isolationist, we would do better turning more to Anglo-Saxon models (in my opinion). Although that said I'm not sure the council elections will effect foreign policy greatly.

OMG, who voted 'Green'!

I'm suprised that party is even taken as a proper and credible alternative by some.

they are more of a pressure group really, there not going to get elected to the commons or even control a council.

Lib Dem.

I have also applied to be a counter at the local election.
I've somehow managed to end up in a situation where I'm standing in the elections; the 2007 ones anyway, we don't have any around here this year.

The parties are so desperate for people to stand in these things, even the slightest hint of a possibility of helping and bam! You've got yourself a ward.

The Monster Raving Loony Party. Someone had to say it

I've somehow managed to end up in a situation where I'm standing in the elections; the 2007 ones anyway, we don't have any around here this year.

The parties are so desperate for people to stand in these things, even the slightest hint of a possibility of helping and bam! You've got yourself a ward.

Which party are going you going to stand for?

What ward?

Which party are going you going to stand for?

What ward?
Conservative Party, don't know the ward yet. I've insisted they put me in a no hope ward though - I really don't want to actually win.

I've somehow managed to end up in a situation where I'm standing in the elections; the 2007 ones anyway, we don't have any around here this year.

The parties are so desperate for people to stand in these things, even the slightest hint of a possibility of helping and bam! You've got yourself a ward.
Hell, if they will put up the deposit, I'd stand for the Lib Dems. There not really left wing enough for my views, but they're the closest we have!

Good news from the Evening Standard (London newspaper) yesterday.

After May 2006, 14 councils in London will be Conservative!

The Conservatives will be the most popular party in London Government.

All that is needed is to get rid of that economically illiterate idiot, Mayor Livingstone.

Hell, if they will put up the deposit, I'd stand for the Lib Dems. There not really left wing enough for my views, but they're the closest we have!
They should put up the deposit - I've not heard of any of the major parties making the candidates pay themselves.

At least I hope not - I'm not doing it if I have to pay. :p

The deposit is very cheap, only £1,500 for local elections.

How on earth is that expensive.

The deposit is very cheap, only £1,500 for local elections.

How on earth is that expensive.
That is a fair price really - low enough to not be a bar to democracy, high enough to make people take it seriously and not have any old crackpot enter the race.

Depending on where I am registered to vote this time around, I will be voting either Conservative or Liberal Democrat. :)

they are more of a pressure group really, there not going to get elected to the commons or even control a council.

They have seats in the London assembly aswell as MEP's, never know might happen, I mean if the BNP can get council seats then anyone can

Green all the way ;)


If only they could get into power...

I bet the Conservatives wish this was a scientific poll. :p

I'm surprised that no-one has voted for Labour. Even a party at the lowest level of its support should have the odd loyal follower.

The Monster Raving Loony Party. Someone had to say it

I would vote for them if I could.

I'm going to vote for the Conservative Party.To be honest, I'm rather disappointed by this OP. When we did the German elections, we actually had a proper description of the platforms the parties had.

None (I'm not a Brit).

To be honest, I'm rather disappointed by this OP. When we did the German elections, we actually had a proper description of the platforms the parties had.
Well, these are local elections, so what the parties are standing for depends on the area. Plus, the elections are pretty irrelevant as well - I can't remember a time when a change in Council control has actually made much of a difference. Really, they're more of a morale boast for the parties ("we so popular because look how many seats we won in the local elections" etc); they're not really any good at judging where public opinion is, either, as people tend to just vote against the Government as a protest vote.

lib dems. would be labour if they stopped being all tory... would be green if it was more than a protest vote.


though interestingly a friend of mine voted UKIP in the last elections... when i asked why i have to say his reasoning was the most pathetic, politically and economically uninformed load of drivel i've yet heard in my life (and i debate here :eek: :p)... and he was such a staunch defender of them too :P ok, so not all UKIP supporters are going to be like that, but you have to admit that many of the most nationalist people are also Sun-reader types...
the UKIP may not be as racist as the BNP, no, but i can't see them as anything like a credible party... i mean... Kilroy... Kilroy for god's sake! *shudders* :p

(edit: toned it down a bit... don't want to be trolling now...)

Labour for me again. Solism is tne only way to go realy. Heh although even I realise that the Labour party are not that socilist nowaday, but that's down to the leader.

Ohh and just for the Ken hater:eek: Long Live Red Ken, mayor of London, and soon to be Prime Minister. Damn me but the man gets my vote.

Labour for me again. Solism is tne only way to go realy. Heh although even I realise that the Labour party are not that socilist nowaday, but that's down to the leader.

Ohh and just for the Ken hater:eek: Long Live Red Ken, mayor of London, and soon to be Prime Minister. Damn me but the man gets my vote.
(In David Attenborough voice) "And here, we have that rarest of species: the last known survivor of the 'Labourous,' a creature that once numbered in the millions and roamed the entire country."

*Takes picture*

(In David Attenborough voice) "And here, we have that rarest of species: the last known survivor of the 'Labourous,' a creature that once numbered in the millions and roamed the entire country."

*Takes picture*

You do reaise now that you have my soul? Damn I want it back I tells ya!

The deposit is very cheap, only £1,500 for local elections.

How on earth is that expensive.
Whilst you are still a student, it's hella expensive.

Lib Dem, conservatives may be okay at the top now but there all evil Thatcherist thugs underneath. Evil in everyway. The fact is that if there was a mass conservative genocide then the world would be a better place.

Labour for me again. Solism is tne only way to go realy. Heh although even I realise that the Labour party are not that socilist nowaday, but that's down to the leader.

Ohh and just for the Ken hater:eek: Long Live Red Ken, mayor of London, and soon to be Prime Minister. Damn me but the man gets my vote.
Labour. Scoalist. i wish. Theres no one to ovote for that is more than Center now days, left wingers like myself have nowhere to go. I only vote for the Lib Dems because they are the closest to a left wing party there is.

I'll be voting labour too. They currently seem to be managing the council competently enough. As for the alternatives
Lib Dems: You only have to mention that you live in Hackney to make a Lib Dem canvasser stop mid sentence, glance at his watch and 'Oh, look at the time, must be off'.
Conservatives: It'll be a cold day in hell before I vote conservative... unfortunately hell only seems to be luke warm at the moment.

The last time another party won control of Hackney council was in 1968. The current council is 45:9:3 (lab:con:ld). Can anyone say Labour stronghold?

With regards to deposits, I don't think there are elections deposits for council elections, only general elections. And it in a general election it should only be £500.

Well I'm a Lib Dem activist so take a guess.

Who cares? All our cash just floats down the A127 to Basildon, whoever is in charge. And since it's a tory stronghold (yuk) why even bother to vote, even if there weas a difference between between the three big parties?

Perhaps I should start the Apathetic and Cynical Socialist Party!

Hey! Hey! Guess who I'll vote for!

No one.

Labour because out of the main 3, they're currently the most right-wing. How the **** that happened I don't know.

They all suck.

though interestingly a friend of mine voted UKIP in the last elections... when i asked why i have to say his reasoning was the most pathetic, politically and economically uninformed load of drivel i've yet heard in my life (and i debate here )... and he was such a staunch defender of them too ok, so not all UKIP supporters are going to be like that, but you have to admit that many of the most nationalist people are also Sun-reader types...
the UKIP may not be as racist as the BNP, no, but i can't see them as anything like a credible party... i mean... Kilroy... Kilroy for god's sake!

I was a member of the UKIP myself for over 2 years.

I still support their view on the European issue, the UKIP wish to see the European Free Trade Agreement (EFTA) replace the EU.

Abolish the EU and all it's political and 'social' (or more correctly socialist) policies and regulations.

European co-operation should be about free trade and creating a business/corporate/investor friendly Europe, not the EU dragging us down the road of the economically illiterate and failed ideology of socialism.

You say most 'nationalists' are Sun reader types. I for one don't read tabliod newspapers at all (being gay, I find the Sun's pages filled with naked women offputting), I read 3 papers a day, Evening Standard, The Times and the FT.

The Sun is a paper of the lower and less desirable classes. They vote BNP when the go right-wing.

The UKIP is made up former Conservative members or those like me who never were a member of any political party before joining UKIP.

Having Kilroy in UKIP was a BIG MISTAKE!

I hate the man, a self obssed ego-maniac (and it is not like he has anything to boast about, so his own egocentrism baffles me).

Thankfully he is out of politics now and I wish that the UKIP have learnt from that sad episode of the party's proud history.

But the UKIP are neither mad/insane or have any policies which would put at risk the economic or political well being of Britain.

The UKIP is a defender of the free market economy and supports the concpet of all economic units and institutions being run by the private sector. However I wish they would do the right thing and call for the abolition of the NHS and the state controlled education system, for those two sectors will only suffer more if they remian out of the domain of the market.

The UKIP can see the damage the EU is doing to Britain, especially after Mrs. Thatcher worked so hard for Britian and her saving our nation from collapse and a possible socialist takeover. It seems the EU wishes to destroy all that Mrs. Thatcher worked hard to achieve in Britian.

I love how all these leftists (most of whom are students from nice middle class families on some fucked up guilt trip with their own fortunate status) call for Mrs. Thatchers blood, yet it was her policies and her time in office which built the modern, wealthy and dynamic Britain we have today.

A thriving property market, a world class leading financial sector, a nation of active investors and speculators and a nation with VERY low levels of unemployment. All of this due to her.

If Labour won the 1979 election, Britian would now have the same system as the starving prison island of Cuba.

If you want to see loonies and those without a clue as to how to run a successful economy and nation, then take a look at the RESPECT and Green parties.

Bump

Abolish the EU and all it's political and 'social' (or more correctly socialist) policies and regulations.

European co-operation should be about free trade and creating a business/corporate/investor friendly Europe, not the EU dragging us down the road of the economically illiterate and failed ideology of socialism.
Yeah, economicly illiterate and failed, yeah right. tell me somthing, do you use the NHS? Do you hav a pension? Well if you do your bying into socalism mate.

Oh, and how come the most powerful country (Or soon to be the most pwoerful) is socalist/communist?

You say most 'nationalists' are Sun reader types. I for one don't read tabliod newspapers at all (being gay, I find the Sun's pages filled with naked women offputting), I read 3 papers a day, Evening Standard, The Times and the FT.

The Sun is a paper of the lower and less desirable classes. They vote BNP when the go right-wing.

The UKIP is made up former Conservative members or those like me who never were a member of any political party before joining UKIP.

Having Kilroy in UKIP was a BIG MISTAKE!

I hate the man, a self obssed ego-maniac (and it is not like he has anything to boast about, so his own egocentrism baffles me).

Thankfully he is out of politics now and I wish that the UKIP have learnt from that sad episode of the party's proud history.
I agree with you ehre. Racist Bastard.

But the UKIP are neither mad/insane or have any policies which would put at risk the economic or political well being of Britain.

The UKIP is a defender of the free market economy and supports the concpet of all economic units and institutions being run by the private sector. However I wish they would do the right thing and call for the abolition of the NHS and the state controlled education system, for those two sectors will only suffer more if they remian out of the domain of the market.

Yeah right, so you want the poor not to go to shcool, you want us to slip back into the evil of the 1900's and pre-war? A educated and healthy workforce is a productive workforce.

The UKIP can see the damage the EU is doing to Britain, especially after Mrs. Thatcher worked so hard for Britian and her saving our nation from collapse and a possible socialist takeover. It seems the EU wishes to destroy all that Mrs. Thatcher worked hard to achieve in Britian.

I love how all these leftists (most of whom are students from nice middle class families on some fucked up guilt trip with their own fortunate status) call for Mrs. Thatchers blood, yet it was her policies and her time in office which built the modern, wealthy and dynamic Britain we have today.
It was her that ruinged Britian. The one thingt hat she did right-curbing the pwoer of the unions she did wrongly. She used to much pwoer on the unions, instead of curbing them she crushed them. it is Labour that ahs saved our country, though it's going a bit far now. the econermy was on the brink of collapse udner the Conservatives.

Who ruined the railways, THATCHER. Who ruined the NHS? Thatcher. See my point. The woman was mad and evil.

A thriving property market, a world class leading financial sector, a nation of active investors and speculators and a nation with VERY low levels of unemployment. All of this due to her.

If Labour won the 1979 election, Britian would now have the same system as the starving prison island of Cuba.

If you want to see loonies and those without a clue as to how to run a successful economy and nation, then take a look at the RESPECT and Green parties.
Youy don't know much about Cuba do you. it happens to be a island that has the best ehalthcare in the world (Or one of the ebst anyway.) and it is hardly starving.

We've all seen where your policys will take us-Depression., Thats what a complete free market econermy does. The Wall Street Crash and the great Depression wehre all due to to Uber-Conservative policys that ignored the needs of the people.

Veritas, so long as they stand where I can vote for them. No one else worth voting for.

Veritas, so long as they stand where I can vote for them. No one else worth voting for.Someone actually likes Kilroy-Silk? Or are you just trolling?

whoever it is i hope they don't run another damd ANTI-socialist like thatcher or blair. i don't get to vote, although i did in the poll, cause i'm over here in the u.s.

but you had green as one of your options, and i'll support that on general principals anywhere. precisely because it's not about putting idiology of any flavour ahead of what we all have to live in, natural and otherwise.

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I can't vote for another two years but I have looked at policies and manifestos. Labour is doing more Toryisation, the Tories are Labourising, the Liberals are incoherent, the BNP are racists, UKIP aren't much better than the BNP, and the Greens have a sensible cross-issue manifesto that I can support.

I can't vote for another two years but I have looked at policies and manifestos. Labour is doing more Toryisation, the Tories are Labourising, the Liberals are incoherent, the BNP are racists, UKIP aren't much better than the BNP, and the Greens have a sensible cross-issue manifesto that I can support.
I'd agree with you about the Liberals, where disintergrating. One side is going towards the cetner, the other towards the left....it was wrong to get rid of CK. And we've got Ming in charge...great.

What Britian needs is another labout-a proper socalist party.

Aust, ever heard of the Greens? ;)
CK wasn't going to be viable for long, and his popularity would have fallen through the floor with the alchoholism revelations... though they weren't anything to those about other LD leadership candidates!

Someone actually likes Kilroy-Silk? Or are you just trolling?
Just a little April Fools joke.

the Greens have a sensible cross-issue manifesto that I can support.


Finally, someone else has actually looked at their manifesto, rather than dismissing them offhand as a 'party of hippies'

I almost ran as their candidate in my school's mock election! Of course I read the manifesto.

*shrug* In this constituency, any vote which doesn't go to Labour is essentially wasted.
*scratches head* But come to think of it, you could say the same about a vote for Labour...

Essentially, this is a constituency where Elections are not truelly necessary, I think. Any reasonable voter could just pick the guy or girl who would win, without the slightest need for debate.

BogMarsh, which is that?

I'm just thankful the BNP only got 2% of the vote, "doubling their percentage from the previous general election"... though they get far more in council elections.

Finally, someone else has actually looked at their manifesto, rather than dismissing them offhand as a 'party of hippies'

You could look at the people who vote for 'em or speech for 'em and ask yourself:
Are these people I'd like to be associated with?

The essential thinking-error of the Left ( left of Labour, that is ) is the utterly unpardonable and silly belief that it is OK to expound political ideas without wearing the essential sartorial armour referred to as a 3-piece-suit.

Yes, but now Labour has begun to abandon it as have the Tories... no ties.

BogMarsh, which is that?

I'm just thankful the BNP only got 2% of the vote, "doubling their percentage from the previous general election"... though they get far more in council elections.


Er, not answering that. ( I said: 'I think' for I might yet turn out to be mistaken. )

Anyway, let the record show that the possibility of me ever supporting any other part than the Big Three is essential zero. Most of the others, with the exception of Monster Raving Loonies, are led by people who IMHO belong in an asylum for the insane.

The excpetion being the one which most does...

The Big Three? Why cast your vote for a hypocrit, a liar, or a fool? And take your pick on which to attack each epithet to, they work equally well...

Yes, but now Labour has begun to abandon it as have the Tories... no ties.


Unfortunately correct, I think.

The New Sartorial Uniform is likely to be an MBE or something similar that comes automatically when donating a load of cash to a major party.
*feels very uncomfy when thinking about that*

The excpetion being the one which most does...

The Big Three? Why cast your vote for a hypocrit, a liar, or a fool? And take your pick on which to attack each epithet to, they work equally well...


Let me try to give you to that question the most sincere answer that I feel.

It is possible that you think that the best way to serve your country is by unfruitable opposition,
but I believe that the only way to serve your country is by serving in Government.

Even when I disagree vehemently with a specific ideology espoused by the ruling Party, I still think that I can do no better than try to make the best of it.

( the next paragraph is a VERY late edit, but one I consider essential. )
I would give the Iraq War as an example. IMHO, this is arguably the stupidest choice made by a British PM after WWII. I am vehemently opposed to it. But this opposition does not liberate me from the duty to serve the Nation ( whenever practicable... ) by trying to help her to win the War in the most expedient way possible.


Remember the fate of Edmund Burke. He was ever so much more correct that the hipocrites, fools and liars that made up Lord North's Government - but what did he ever achieve for Britain?

I consider the question of how to serve to be an existential problem inherent in Free and Democratic societies. The underlining ( I almost said underlying ) notion inherent to Free and Democratic societies is the Divine Mandate of Majority.

Now, there are a number of notions inherent to Free and Democratic societies that upon inspection, could well be said to be frankly, idiotic.
Let me outline a few:
1. The Divine Right of the Majority.
2. The belief that Capitalism is the only way.
3. The belief that all humans are equal.
All of these ideas are, to put it mildly, founded on very shaky ground.

But that does not alter the fact that no self-respecting Free and Democratic society can exist without these assumptions, no more than an absolute Monarchy could function without the equally silly notion of the Divine Right of Kings.



Why cast your vote for a hypocrit, a liar, or a fool? And take your pick on which to attack each epithet to, they work equally well...
I so agree with the sentiment you show here, and I wish it were not so.

The Opposition is at least not capitulating to governmental demands and governmental policy, but can support it when it chooses to and deny when it does not (As Cameron wants to do, supporting more often than not). Then again I am thinking of entering the Civil Service...


I wish it were not so, too.

The Opposition is at least not capitulating to governmental demands and governmental policy, but can support it when it chooses to and deny when it does not (As Cameron wants to do, supporting more often than not). Then again I am thinking of entering the Civil Service...


I wish it were not so, too.


Chin up! It may well be that being Mister Quango is the one way in which you can serve within, without betraying your beliefs without, so to speak. :D

That's what I'm hoping. Serve within... maybe even a Applebyesque "servant"

That's what I'm hoping. Serve within... maybe even a Applebyesque "servant"


What could be more 3rd Millenium British? ( er, perhaps apart from a Blue Peter Badge Bought Not Earned;) )
If you make it, more power to you :D

Once upon a time, somewhere in the fifties, there was a cartoonist who portrayed the 2 American parties as 2 chaps standing in a rowing boat with manuals drills, shouting at each other: you are a menace to the People! It is my duty to sink your end of the boat!

That's the point, sir; More power to me....;)

You could look at the people who vote for 'em or speech for 'em and ask yourself:
Are these people I'd like to be associated with?

The essential thinking-error of the Left ( left of Labour, that is ) is the utterly unpardonable and silly belief that it is OK to expound political ideas without wearing the essential sartorial armour referred to as a 3-piece-suit.
So not wearing a suit makes your views less valid. i don't wear suits, yet my views are valid. The voter dosn't have to wear a suit to vote, do they.

I've heard of the Greens but they don't really float my boat.

That's the point, sir; More power to me....;)


I know - I got Mr Burns out of the Simpsons Test.

I will do as I please, and so will you!

So not wearing a suit makes your views less valid. i don't wear suits, yet my views are valid. The voter dosn't have to wear a suit to vote, do they.

My point is not that suitless views are not valid, my point is that there are not many Britons who will harken to a point made outside of a suit.

It's a 'the Medium is the Message'-thing which may upset many thinkers, but is inherent in all of those things that make Britain a green and pleasant land.

I know - I got Mr Burns out of the Simpsons Test.

I will do as I please, and so will you!
Certainly, that's how I work...
My point is not that suitless views are not valid, my point is that there are not many Britons who will harken to a point made outside of a suit.
Depressingly image is more important than content yes.
It's a 'the Medium is the Message'-thing which may upset many thinkers, but is inherent in all of those things that make Britain a green and pleasant land.
It is not inherent unless we allow it to be (and don't quote Jerusalem, I can quote it better than you :p )

*Huge Grin*

As a highly-but-not-totally-assimilated immigrant, I must confess that I have been unable to 'liberate' myself away from the notion that the content of a message and it's packaging and delivery should be mutually reinforcing.

It's an esthetical thing - would you go to a chinese restaurant which served wonderfully tasting beef-and-broccoli that happened to look like a wet paper lying on a street, served by someone who looks as though she had just been dug up in a cemetary?

Why should it be different, when it comes to ideas?

If it tasted good I would. Presentation is not substance, and substance hides presentation.

If it tasted good I would. Presentation is not substance, and substance hides presentation.


Er... stick with the Mr Quango plan, and don't try a carreer in retail.

The various elements really should help eachother, or it won't sell very goodl, no matter how good the product itself is. What's the name of that BBC program where they give businesses a work out? Presentation of what you are offering is usually a really major issue, one that divides success from failure.

The Libbies still look like the sanest of the bunch.

Even after all the sex scandals?

Even after all the sex scandals?

If you had to chose between parties that look dodgy on account of huge sacks of cash in the wrong place, or a party that look dodgy on account of the huge ( deleted ) in the wrong palce, how would you choose?

....Your point. Okay, but then I'd actually go for the seemingly clean Greens.

Even after all the sex scandals?
I don't give a shit about sex scandles. Who cares?

Yeah, economicly illiterate and failed, yeah right. tell me somthing, do you use the NHS? Do you hav a pension? Well if you do your bying into socalism mate.

Ever heard of the USSR, North Korea, East Germany, Romania, Albania, Cuba and Ethiopia?

All of these nations were communist once.

It's also rather strange that the BIGGEST and most DEADLY famines in the history of the world have occured under communist regimes (China 1950s and 1960s/USSR-Ukraine in the 1920s/Ehtiopia in 1984-1985).

I'm sorry but inform me of ONE economically succussful and viable communist or socialist nation (and the China of today does NOT count for it has now adopted a more capitalist economy).

Oh, and how come the most powerful country (Or soon to be the most pwoerful) is socalist/communist?

If your talking about China, then free market economics and a huge dose of common sense by China's leaders in turning to the global capitalist world economy are the MAIN reasons why China is what it is today. Remeber, for a nation to achieve a superpower status means money to fund it and since a socialist economy cannot fund such ventures, the concept of a socialist/communist superpower thats a viable one is IDIOTIC.

The USSR tried superpower status with a socialist system and guess what, bankruptcy followed.

Can you actually give me any REAL EVIDENCE for the success of socialism/communism, since you just keep saying "capitalism evil", "you don't know anything, socialism works" etc...

But I know you cannot do that beacuse such evidence does NOT exist!

Please continue with your rants and insults and baseless assertions, you only discredit the already failed and exposed ideologies of socialism and communism.

Yeah right, so you want the poor not to go to shcool, you want us to slip back into the evil of the 1900's and pre-war? A educated and healthy workforce is a productive workforce.

No.

Without income taxes, VAT and local taxes, every person would have more capital.

Also, your right, an uneducated workforce is bad for any society. But look at Britain pre-1944. Those who could afford good schools paid for them. Those who were intellectually gifted were given scholarships to go to a grammer school, thus avioding school fees and the rest could depend on charitable schools, like faith based schools, which were funded by the Churches who were successful in raising their own money.

That system worked because the intellectually gifted were given priority over the less so, since you would agree with me that the intellectually gifted would be the most economically productive and profitable people to employ.

The current statist system of education ignores those students who have amore talent and intellect, and instead imposes a 'egalitarian' policy of giving every child the same thing, despite some children clearly showing they are more worthy of a different style of education to those who show they are less worthy of it.

Please tell me, given our statist school system, why the intellectual level of most children is now getting LOWER and LOWER with each new year set of students?

I know many businessmen and other employers who complain to me of the lack of good people they can interview when a job vacancy comes up.

There are people leaving University and they still cannot tell the difference in "their", "there" and who cannot do basic multiplication or division without the aid of a calculator.

Also, most large corporations will pay for someones University degree in return for them working for that said company. The same can be extended to lower levels of education, for business's will always do what they can to ensure that the workforce is productive and resourcefull, for market forces demand the best in performance and results by each business.

The statist education system does NOT have that competitive spirit, thus it has failed, time and time again!

It was her that ruinged Britian. The one thingt hat she did right-curbing the pwoer of the unions she did wrongly. She used to much pwoer on the unions, instead of curbing them she crushed them. it is Labour that ahs saved our country, though it's going a bit far now. the econermy was on the brink of collapse udner the Conservatives.

So I suppose the Unions should just hold the nation hostage and demand ever more irrational and un-economical policies.

Your so blind, go and use London's train service sometimes, I have sometimes had to not turn up to work, because of those criminal Unions causing strikes on the train system.

And don't you dare speak of them fighting for a better deal. A Tube driver sits on his fat arse for 6 HOURS (I work 12 hours MOST days!) and gets paid £35,000 P/A. £35K is not a bad deal for someone who can work without having ANY A-levels or a degree. These drivers are selfish, greedy, lazy troublemakers who should be sacked en-masse!

What with Unions causing trouble once more, IMO Mrs. Thatcher did NOT GO FAR ENOUGH.

Making Unions illegal would be one of the best policies any government could implement. At the end of the day, striking is one form of TERRORISM. The FBI, CIA, MI5 etc... all consider ECONOMIC SABOTAGE a form of terrorism.

Striking is about as far as you can go with economic sabotage.

Who ruined the railways, THATCHER. Who ruined the NHS? Thatcher. See my point. The woman was mad and evil.
If by "ruined" you mean privatise, then get your facts RIGHT!

The rail system was privatised in 1996, under PM John Major.

Your irrational bigotry yet again prevents you from even getting the facts right. Get an EDUCATION before you open your mouth again!

Youy don't know much about Cuba do you. it happens to be a island that has the best ehalthcare in the world (Or one of the ebst anyway.) and it is hardly starving.

Cuban's have to use the BLACK MARKET to get extra food, because the communist tyranny that rules Cuba has a ration policy that is WAY BELOW the nutritional level that most Cubans NEED.

So much for communism's "each according to their abilities from each according to their needs". The tyrant Castro cannot even do that!

Also you forget that Cuba has propped up tyrannical regimes in Latin America, such as Grenada (1979-83), Nicaragua (1979-1990) and Venezuala (1998-).

And Cuba's support for INTERNATIONALLY RECONISED TERRORIST GROUPS like, FARC and EZLN (Colombia), Monteneros (Argentina), MIR (Chile), Tupacamaros (Uruaguy) and the EZLN (Mexico).

We've all seen where your policys will take us-Depression., Thats what a complete free market econermy does. The Wall Street Crash and the great Depression wehre all due to to Uber-Conservative policys that ignored the needs of the people.

Well if capitalism is the root of economic collapse, then tell me why India and China now have a economic growth rate of around 14% and 11.5% respectively?

Why are those nations which have capitalism become 1st world nations in the space of less than half a century?

Why the socialism you so love, like in mainland Europe, has caused Germany and France to have now failing economies with HIGH levels of unployment?

The only nations with economic difficulties are now those with socialist system (North Korea/Cuba) or semi-socialist systems (France/Germany/Spain).

If you have been to a state run school, your a perfect expample of it's failure.

Get the facts right next time and get a bloody education for God's sake!

UKIP all the way:) My dad is standing for them so I had better support him. I think their support of EFTA over EU is bang on. They do make anti-immigration noises which make me feel a bit awkward, but are not that important.

UKIP have a tendency to try to get on stupid bandwagons on local issues (such as opposition to M6 toll roll) which are somewhat short sighted. I did read that UKIP were planning to campaign on a wider libertarian platform given Cameron's move to the left, but that does not seem to have materialised.

The EU is the single biggest issue in British politics, I do not know what good electing a UKIP councellor will do but it is just a protest vote.