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So, is civil war in iraq inevitable. I think so, with the growing number of deaths due to 'sectarian vilolence' everyday (60 today i think), I can see only Civil War in iraqs future.

Iraq will soon destroy itself in the next year or so. It will be so bad the U.S will withdraw troops. Then Iraq will probaly become an Anarcy,Dicatorship if one militia defets all others. Or the worst part Iran take's it over. Then the world will have a new WW3 if it hassen happened yet!

I thought the only conclusion to be drawn in that the sectarian violence that is occuring means that civil war is in Iraq right now. It is simply another term for the same thing.

Its not civil war, its freedom. When you get freedom people are going to have little disargeements, but it will work out.

Its not civil war, its freedom. When you get freedom people are going to have little disargeements, but it will work out.
yeah, Freedom to die. Freedom to be raped. Freedom to starve. great freedom that is. :rolleyes:

Its not civil war, its freedom. When you get freedom people are going to have little disargeements, but it will work out.

Sure. You've got the freedom to die in Iraq.

You know in Sudan (Darfur region) and the northern tip of Uganda over 160 people on average die every day from violence. That is 100 more people on average than in Iraq. Why must we concentrate on Iraq all the time? In Darfur hundreds of thousands of people have died since fighting began in '03. 1.5 million people have been forced from their homes and are now homeless. I think it makes Iraq seem like small potatoes in comparison.

So, is civil war in iraq inevitable. I think so, with the growing number of deaths due to 'sectarian vilolence' everyday (60 today i think), I can see only Civil War in iraqs future.
I can't vote on your poll. There is no "Small-scale civil war is already happening" option.

Its not civil war, its freedom. When you get freedom people are going to have little disargeements, but it will work out.
Yep. I had a disagreement with a guy who was letting his dog crap on the sidewalk outside my door, so I blew up his mosque. The Iraqis are just doing the same thing.

yeah, Freedom to die. Freedom to be raped. Freedom to starve. great freedom that is. :rolleyes:


It's no different than what they had under Saddam Hussein. All we did was step on an ant hill and rile things up a bit. It obviously would've happened sooner or later after either A) Saddam died or B) Saddam was overthrown. Either way you'd have the same type of violence except quite possibly on a larger scale since the US/British forces wouldn't be there. It was a volatile country to begin with.

You know in Sudan (Darfur region) and the northern tip of Uganda over 160 people on average die every day from violence. That is 100 more people on average than in Iraq. Why must we concentrate on Iraq all the time? In Darfur hundreds of thousands of people have died since fighting began in '03. 1.5 million people have been forced from their homes and are now homeless. I think it makes Iraq seem like small potatoes in comparison.
Yeah, but Darfur isent on the news everyday. So its like its not happening

yeah, Freedom to die. Freedom to be raped. Freedom to starve. great freedom that is. :rolleyes:
Hey man, their culture is not your culture. Just because your culture doesn't value those freedoms doesn't give you the right to look down on a culture that does.

THere's only one hope; Pie fights.

We need to introduce the Iraqi people to pies and we need to do it soon. *nod* :)

There is no part of me that gives a rat's ass. If they want to fight, let 'em. The world will keep on spinnin'.

yeah, Freedom to die. Freedom to be raped. Freedom to starve. great freedom that is. :rolleyes:

your looking at it the wrong way, its freedom to kill. freedom to rape. freedom to take other peoples food away.

You know in Sudan (Darfur region) and the northern tip of Uganda over 160 people on average die every day from violence. That is 100 more people on average than in Iraq. Why must we concentrate on Iraq all the time? In Darfur hundreds of thousands of people have died since fighting began in '03. 1.5 million people have been forced from their homes and are now homeless. I think it makes Iraq seem like small potatoes in comparison.10% of the world's oil supply can't be found in Darfur.
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Sorry for the cynicism.

Yeah, but Darfur isent on the news everyday. So its like its not happening


That is exactly what the problem is. Not many people care what happens in Darfur. Perhaps the worlds media can take a clue and just not report what is happening in Iraq and eventually nobody will care anymore and the problem will just go away. Fucking shame that it's the way the world works sometimes.

10% of the world's oil supply can't be found in Darfur.
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Sorry for the cynicism.


Actually there is a shit load of oil in Darfur the only thing is that their main user of that oil is China.


*Edit* Sudan is the 7th biggest producer of oil in Africa.

Actually there is a shit load of oil in Darfur the only thing is that their main user of that oil is China.


*Edit* Sudan is the 7th biggest producer of oil in Africa.Reserves of 500 million barrels kinda pales in comparison to reserves of 100 billion barrels.

edit: the USA would consume 500 million barrels in 50 days.

edit: Iraq has the 2nd largest oil reserves in the world, yet only is only the 10th largest exporter in the world.

Sudan is ranked 36th in terms of oil reserves, but 27th in terms of exports. Sudan is doing alright.

Its not civil war, its freedom. When you get freedom people are going to have little disargeements, but it will work out.

Lol. That's like the "freedom" of communism. "Freedom" does not extend to infringements upon someone else's rights and freedoms, which is what violence or other use or threat of force is.

Face it: Iraqis are devolving, as anyone with foresight could've predicted 3 years ago, into escalating, violent internal conflict that's fracturing them into factions along cultural, political, and religious fault lines. If 60 deaths per day due to "sectarian conflict" isn't an obvious precursor to civil war, if not civil war itself, I don't know what is.

To all those who immediately disagreed with ambassadorship:
The world is not a game with a perfect solution to every problem. Yeah, there are some seemingly large numbers of iraqis dying every day, but when you are in a situation as this you look not at what is happening now but at the overall trend. The iraqis are making progress no matter how many are dying. I understand that you can't comprehend death on that scale because you have never had to deal with it or have it happen all around you. So you assume that it must be worse than hell. It's not. It's not good but not the worst thing. This is because you know that you are working towards and sacraficing for a future of security. That is something that this generation of iraqis has never experienced. Because you have always had a future you can't understand what is like to have to realize the fact that you will never amount to anything because of those above you. I myself can't fully comprehend it but have spent a great deal of time with those who can.

To all those who immediately disagreed with ambassadorship:
The world is not a game with a perfect solution to every problem. Yeah, there are some seemingly large numbers of iraqis dying every day, but when you are in a situation as this you look not at what is happening now but at the overall trend. The iraqis are making progress no matter how many are dying. I understand that you can't comprehend death on that scale because you have never had to deal with it or have it happen all around you. So you assume that it must be worse than hell. It's not. It's not good but not the worst thing. This is because you know that you are working towards and sacraficing for a future of security. That is something that this generation of iraqis has never experienced. Because you have always had a future you can't understand what is like to have to realize the fact that you will never amount to anything because of those above you. I myself can't fully comprehend it but have spent a great deal of time with those who can.
I just wish Saddam was still in power and we hadn't commited hundreds of billions of dollars to a worthless effort.

Hey man, their culture is not your culture. Just because your culture doesn't value those freedoms doesn't give you the right to look down on a culture that does.

I don't see this as a problem of culture. If the United States had just done some better preperation then the situation that we are in currently may not have ever occured. Bush foolishly thought like many others in history that simply invading and taking down your opponent is all you have to do. Well Bush like those same others in the past have found that by not quickly repairing Iraq's devestated infanstructure violence came quickly. It is hard to imagine such attacks if Iraqis quickly had their electriciy back instead of having to wait for months or years. The current situation is the fault of Bush mainly.

I do think that it is unfortunate that democracy cannot be brought easily to people who have no experience with it to begin with. Muslim theocracies do not really match well with the whole "will of the people" thing if it doesn't match with Shariah law.

To all those who immediately disagreed with ambassadorship:

You know who you are.

The world is not a game with a perfect solution to every problem. Yeah, there are some seemingly large numbers of iraqis dying every day, but when you are in a situation as this you look not at what is happening now but at the overall trend. Which is actually what this thread is about... The iraqis are making progress no matter how many are dying. You know, if you count civil war as progress. Which really, why wouldn't you? I understand that you can't comprehend death on that scale because you have never had to deal with it or have it happen all around you. Way to condescend. So you assume that it must be worse than hell. Also way to assume that you know what we're thinking. Hmm. You're assuming that you know our assumptions. Ironic, no? It's not. It's not good but not the worst thing. And what would be the worst thing? This is because you know that you are working towards and sacraficing for a future of security. Again, because civil war is very secure. That is something that this generation of iraqis has never experienced. Because you have always had a future you can't understand what is like to have to realize the fact that you will never amount to anything because of those above you. Death will do that. I myself can't fully comprehend it but have spent a great deal of time with those who can.

You know, if you count civil war as progress. Which really, why wouldn't you?
Yeah, cause the american civil war really killed us in the long run.
Also way to assume that you know what we're thinking. Hmm. You're assuming that you know our assumptions. Ironic, no?
But wouldn't the point of you posting here to be to get out your views so that i can see what you do assume. And what would be the worst thing? In my opinion, not having anything to live for. Again, because civil war is very secure. Again, i'm talking about the future. Just because the US fell into civil war doesn't mean that we just gave up and let our future go to hell. Death will do that. There's no progress without sacrafice.

No it's not inevitable. The media has been screaming about Civil War for three years now, but those layabout Iraqis don't seem to be interested in getting on with it. Right now there is no one but Jalal Talabani claiming to be head of state, the Iraqi military is all on the same side. This is no more a civil war than the race riots in the 60's were a civil war.