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I absolutely love this film, saw it last Friday. Thoughts?

I think that the character 'V' was amazingly funny, and with Stephen Fry thrown into the mix, it brought a lot of humour to what looked like an intense film.

Plus, blowing up the Houses of Parliament can never be dull. ;)

I liked it. I especially enjoyed the whole Guy Fawkes theme, reviving a myth to serve its purpose for a new cause.

I absolutely love this film, saw it last Friday. Thoughts?

I think that the character 'V' was amazingly funny, and with Stephen Fry thrown into the mix, it brought a lot of humour to what looked like an intense film.

Plus, blowing up the Houses of Parliament can never be dull. ;)
British self-hatred is exciting? :rolleyes:

British self-hatred is exciting? :rolleyes:

I don't know...seeing American split by a second civil war was exciting..

(See? I too can throw insults at another country, and without using emoticons as well...)

British self-hatred is exciting? :rolleyes:

It's hardly self-hating...I just thought the scene looked rather spectacular...

Friggin loved it. Enough so that i started a thread about it. See Vendetta doesn't describe this guys passion.

British self-hatred is exciting? :rolleyes:

Are you genuinely unable to separate the concept of a country's government and its people?

British self-hatred is exciting? :rolleyes:
No, but it was a magnificent special effect.

It's hardly self-hating...I just thought the scene looked rather spectacular...
Indeed, one of the few things the movie did particularly well. A masterful (if not particularly original) use of the 1812 Overture.

Are you genuinely unable to separate the concept of a country's government and its people?

Apparently not...

I liked the film even though it wasn't nearly as good as the graphic novel. They could have made it less preaching and let people think for themselves, but movie going public prefers not to think so I guess it was okay.

Given Alan Moore's complete disavowal of the entire project, I think I'll give it a miss in solidarity. From what I've read though, I'll say one thing: "Read the graphic novel."

I felt that the movie was very good in its own right, and liked it a lot. Even if the graphic novel was "better", this movie presents a good version of the story.

Oh, and I loved the blowing-up of parlament to the music of Tchaikovsky - even better then when the White House was blown up in Independence Day ;)

Given Alan Moore's complete disavowal of the entire project

though that was mainly about the directors/producer/whatever lying about moore's opinion of, and role in, it.

though that was mainly about the directors/producer/whatever lying about moore's opinion of, and role in, it.
True, true. But he has disparaged all the films made of his works so far, and I think the very quality of it was almost definitely a factor. He said on "The Culture Show" a few weeks ago that his works were intrinsically designed nto to be able to be turned into movies; he wished that people wouldn't make movies of his works and if they do, "make better ones."

he wished that people wouldn't make movies of his works and if they do, "make better ones."

given the typical results, i don't blame him

I thoroughly enjoyed it, and continue to enjoy it every time I get to laugh at someone who says it "glorifies terrorism" for completely missing the point. I can't wait to get my hands on the comic and read it. Probably won't enjoy it as much as Sandman, but I bet I'll enjoy it a lot. Vertigo tends to put out some of the best stuff, IMO.

True, true. But he has disparaged all the films made of his works so far, and I think the very quality of it was almost definitely a factor. He said on "The Culture Show" a few weeks ago that his works were intrinsically designed nto to be able to be turned into movies; he wished that people wouldn't make movies of his works and if they do, "make better ones."


Funny thing. When I first read V for Vendetta (a long time ago) I was immediately struck how much it reminded me of British TV series of the time (beginning to mid eighties. The graphic novel came out about five years after the series I think). It could have been a script for TV.

I've seen the film and read the graphic novel (in that order, so maybe some of you guys will say my opinion doesn't count), and I have to say that I prefered the film. By removing just enough of the characterisation, e.g. never seeing V's face (surrounding V in particular, which i think kinda spoils the novel) it intensifies the thematic qualities.
And of course the majority of the changes are contextual, like the whole nuclear war thing, that just wouldn't make sense to a modern audience, and FATE, which is just too close to reality to be fantastical.
so yeah, I really liked the film, especially the a'splosion of parliament, which was just awesome. (For the Americans who don't seem to quite get this, the British have a highly suppressed sense of disdain for those who dare to govern us, although we cover it up, and despite the rational and democratic mandate they have to govern, we still salivate at the thought of them receiving their commupance).

I like it. I'm all for executing politicians. If they deserve it.

... (For the Americans who don't seem to quite get this, the British have a highly suppressed sense of disdain for those who dare to govern us, although we cover it up, and despite the rational and democratic mandate they have to govern, we still salivate at the thought of them receiving their commupance).

Funny, isn't it.

Are American friends are often offended by us belittling their President and equally assume we would be offended by someone belittling the Queen or Blair.

In reality, we generally couldn't care less.

It was one of the best and truest movies I ever saw in my Life

It was one of the best and truest movies I ever saw in my Life

Define 'truest'...you do know that this wasn't based on true events, right? :D

Define 'truest'...you do know that this wasn't based on true events, right? :D
its very true on a spiritual level and has many parallels to now

What the heck's Vendetta anyway? It showed up in the Count of Monte Cristo as well, and I'm ignorant.

so yeah, I really liked the film, especially the a'splosion of parliament, which was just awesome. (For the Americans who don't seem to quite get this, the British have a highly suppressed sense of disdain for those who dare to govern us, although we cover it up, and despite the rational and democratic mandate they have to govern, we still salivate at the thought of them receiving their commupance).

For the record, some Americans feel the same way (and the founders of our country *obviously* did, hehe). I love the idea of November the 5th. =)

What the heck's Vendetta anyway? It showed up in the Count of Monte Cristo as well, and I'm ignorant.
*looks at honorkillings almost correct spelled name*
I don't believe you.

British self-hatred is exciting? :rolleyes:
Admit it, if it were the French instead, blowing up the Eiffel Tower with potatoes, you'd be laughing your arse off and post a thread about it!

Admit it, if it were the French instead, blowing up the Eiffel Tower with potatoes, you'd be laughing your arse off and post a thread about it!

Amen.

How about a riot for good measure?

Amen.

How about a riot for good measure?
Ah, ya got me! And a little ennui afterwards, with a smoke and some poor lighting?

I'm afraid to see it... I enjoyed the graphic novel immensely, and would not ne happy if the movie did not live up to it's standards.

This post, however, gives me hope.

British self-hatred is exciting? :rolleyes:

Have you even seen the film?

It was one of the best and truest movies I ever saw in my Life

Really? It made Hostel look gritty and realistic.

Really? It made Hostel look gritty and realistic.
I never saw Hostel

I never saw Hostel

You're not missing much.

(THough it is a fairly entertaining film,)

You're not missing much.

(THough it is a fairly entertaining film,)
I wanna get the book Vendetta now tho

I wanna get the book Vendetta now tho

That is highly recommended.

That is highly recommended.
can you recomment any others like it--I like the theme

The movie wasn't bad, it was at least worth seeing, but I had a bit of a conflict about having to choose between rooting for either fascists or terrorists. I mean, V did kill innocent people, or at least cause their deaths inderictly but intentionally. I ended up rooting for the detective, who tried to do his job but still had good morals and intellectual independence, unlike natalie portman who just did what she was told.

Condoning terrorism is not cool at all. I still remember watching 9/11 personally with my own 2 eyes (I'm from NJ). My nextdoor neighbor died in the attack. Terrorism is no joke and my big problem with this film is that it seemed to make light of a delicate issue.

can you recomment any others like it--I like the theme

I'm not the best person to ask about this since most graphic novels I have got through other people.

The theme of vengeance? or rebellion?

For the former, A History of Violence or some of the Frank Miller stories. For the latter, I have heard good things about Steel Sky but I have no idea what it is about. But there is also Maus which is very differect but very good.


No doubt somebody who knows their stuff will tell me I'm wrong and suggest better things :)

V did kill innocent people

who?

who?
Since he never really cared who he was killing, I suppose he probably got a good many innocents. Unless, of course, you believe that every reporter and cop in the country was evil and deserved to be collateral damage.

I'm not the best person to ask about this since most graphic novels I have got through other people.

The theme of vengeance? or rebellion?

For the former, A History of Violence or some of the Frank Miller stories. For the latter, I have heard good things about Steel Sky but I have no idea what it is about. But there is also Maus which is very differect but very good.


No doubt somebody who knows their stuff will tell me I'm wrong and suggest better things :)
Ill start with those books--thanks M8

Since he never really cared who he was killing, I suppose he probably got a good many innocents. Unless, of course, you believe that every reporter and cop in the country was evil and deserved to be collateral damage.
cops are part of the machinery of repression--hardly innocent

cops are part of the machinery of repression--hardly innocent
Yeah, terrible isn't it? They go around repressing the murderers and rapists who would end your life and make it miserable. Goddamn them and their protecting the weak from the predations of the strong!

Yeah, terrible isn't it? They go around repressing the murderers and rapists who would end your life and make it miserable. Goddamn them and their protecting the weak from the predations of the strong!
That doesn't sound particularly "anarchist" of you ... ;)

Yeah, terrible isn't it? They go around repressing the murderers and rapists who would end your life and make it miserable. Goddamn them and their protecting the weak from the predations of the strong!
the cops are the Ultimate thugs who also repress the weak--especially in a Fascist society

That doesn't sound particularly "anarchist" of you ... ;)
Hey, I've "an"ed more "archs" then you can dream of. I'm just breaking the rules of anarchy, making me a double anarchist.

Hey, I've "an"ed more "archs" then you can dream of. I'm just breaking the rules of anarchy, making me a double anarchist.You sound like an inverted McDonald's slogan.
"Name" by name, not by nature ... ;)

Unless there is the Cross there will be no Resurrection unless there are nails there will be no Glorious wounds unless there is the garment of scorn there will never be the robes blazing like the sun unless there is the crown of thorns there will never be the halo of Light for the law since the beginning of Time and until there is Time no more is that NO ONE shall be crowned UNLESS he has struggled and overcome