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Two teens face child pornography charges
March 29, 2006

PROVIDENCE, R.I. --Two teenage girls face child pornography charges after posting sexually explicit photographs of themselves on the Internet.

The pornographic pictures of Elizabeth Muller, 19, of North Smithfield, and an unidentified 16-year-old Lincoln girl were discovered on MySpace.com, a social networking Web site, said a spokesman for the attorney general's office.

The photos of the two teenagers together were posted on each of their respective Web site accounts, spokesman Michael Healey said.

The 16-year-old was arraigned before a Family Court judge Monday on a charge of child pornography and violating a court-ordered curfew, Healey said. The girl is being held at the Rhode Island Training School pending a probable cause hearing Friday, he said.

Muller was also charged with child pornography and was arraigned in District Court in Providence.

A police officer assigned to Lincoln High School, where the girl was a student, discovered the photographs while monitoring the Web site.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/rhode_island/articles/2006/03/29/two_teens_face_child_pornography_charges/

:rolleyes:

Am I the only one who thinks this is BS? I mean.. come on..

:rolleyes:

Am I the only one who thinks this is BS? I mean.. come on..

Yeah, that's pretty weak.

Yes. You are.

Yes, it's BS.

It may be technically child pornography (in the case of the 16 year old), but there are so many cases of serious abuse, that targeting these girls seems pointless.

Am I the only one thinking I would like to see the pictures?

I have a question (not about BS this time!) how old do you need to be in the U.S to be an Adult?

Same... but we can't legally!? Where's the proof? >.>

Nudists (with children in the photos) get away with it on their sites...why go to such EXTREME lengths to punish two girls? They did something wrong, the pictures should be taken down and maybe a watch on their pages.

Can you say "scapegoat"?

I have a question (not about BS this time!) how old do you need to be in the U.S to be an Adult?

18. Though sex by age 16 is acceptable.

Am I the only one thinking I would like to see the pictures?
nope :)

I have a question (not about BS this time!) how old do you need to be in the U.S to be an Adult?

Depends.

For instance, in Connecticut, you are old enough to be certified to drive an automobile(a multi-ton conglomeration of steel and glass) around other vehicles and pedestrians at any time, day or night and in any weather at age sixteen.

But you need to be eighteen to operate a deli slicer. Afterall, you might cut off your thumb. :p

The girl did violate a curfew, though.

If you're a big enough dumbass to put nude pictures of yourself on a pretty much publically accessible website even though you are in violation of a court ordered curfew, you deserve to be pwned by the law.

18. Though sex by age 16 is acceptable.

Thats whats bad about the Law:
you can Smoke at 16 but got to be 18 to drink, You got to be 17 to drive but 18 to pay car insurance. See what I mean about Bad Laws.

Depends.

For instance, in Connecticut, you are old enough to be certified to drive an automobile(a multi-ton conglomeration of steel and glass) around other vehicles and pedestrians at any time, day or night and in any weather at age sixteen.

But you need to be eighteen to operate a deli slicer. Afterall, you might cut off your thumb. :p


I live here in CT. >.> How'd you know.

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So what she broke a curfew...seperate crime, not this one.

Nudists (with children in the photos) get away with it on their sites...
Maybe because "nude" and "sexually explicit" are two different things?

Depends.

For instance, in Connecticut, you are old enough to be certified to drive an automobile(a multi-ton conglomeration of steel and glass) around other vehicles and pedestrians at any time, day or night and in any weather at age sixteen.

But you need to be eighteen to operate a deli slicer. Afterall, you might cut off your thumb. :p
And 21 to drink.

19 and 16 and they're up on child porn charges for photos of themselves?

Thats whats bad about the Law:
you can Smoke at 16 but got to be 18 to drink, You got to be 17 to drive but 18 to pay car insurance. See what I mean about Bad Laws.

Wrong. Smoke 18, Drinking 21. 18 to drive (permit possible at 16), Gambling 21.

Until you are an adult you are driving under your parents insurance. At 18 you can get your own, cause your an adult.

Drinking and Gambling is 21 for maturity that you are SUPPOSED to get after 3 years of being adult.

I live here in CT. >.> How'd you know.

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So what she broke a curfew...seperate crime, not this one.

I make it my business to know such things. :)

WTF? One girl was 19! There's literally THOUSANDS of 18- and 19-year olds doing porn on the internet! And you only have to be 18!

Wrong. Smoke 18, Drinking 21. 18 to drive (permit possible at 16), Gambling 21.

Until you are an adult you are driving under your parents insurance. At 18 you can get your own, cause your an adult.

Drinking and Gambling is 21 for maturity that you are SUPPOSED to get after 3 years of being adult.

Ouch, Not here in the UK you can also play the national lottery at age 16.

Am I the only one thinking I would like to see the pictures?
:rolleyes: pedafile

19 and 16 and they're up on child porn charges for photos of themselves?

Thats right!

Could they get in trouble with statutary laws, with the one being sixteen and the other nineteen.

:rolleyes: pedafile
*Paedophile

And how is it paedophilic, especially with the 19 year old?

"A police officer assigned to Lincoln High School, where the girl was a student, discovered the photographs while monitoring the Web site."

providence pd, myspace division?

providence pd, myspace division?

Law and Order: Special Myspace Unit

Thats right!
Betting they wished they had done it anywhere in North America or Europe other than the US then.

Law and Order: Special Myspace Unit

in the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the police who hang out on myspace, and the district attorneys who prosecute the self-cammers. these are their stories.

"A police officer assigned to Lincoln High School, where the girl was a student, discovered the photographs while monitoring the Web site."

providence pd, myspace division?

That School must have bigger problems than porn if they have to Assign a police officer!

That School must have bigger problems than porn if they have to Assign a police officer!
Not really. All the public schools have police officers, even though they almost never do anything.

That School must have bigger problems than porn if they have to Assign a police officer!

they do. irrational parents who demand 'safety measures' to deal with non-existent 'problems' - especially 'safety measures' that would be unable to deal such problems if they really did exist.

Not really. All the public schools have police officers, even though they almost never do anything.

What a waste of public funds?

Including the 19 yo... Which is just wrong.

Again to the nudist thing (maybe some interest this time). What were they doing in the photos? Was it sexually explicit or not? Nudists get away with far too much if its not that.

What a waste of public funds?

Hardly...they stop alot of fights and help keep things under control. Good presence.

Including the 19 yo... Which is just wrong.

Again to the nudist thing (maybe some interest this time). What were they doing in the photos? Was it sexually explicit or not? Nudists get away with far too much if its not that.

I hate to say this but 'Nudism' is a freedom of expression that has gone a bit to far!

:rolleyes:

Am I the only one who thinks this is BS? I mean.. come on..

Yea this is complete bs.

If they were to charge anyone, I'd say go for the parents for not watching their 16 year old Daughter's Internet activities.

As for the 19 year old, charge her a small fine for posession and intent to distribute but not anything too serious.

And for the last fucking time...

Would Lawyers go after real fucking problems instead of fucking Video Games?

Anyways, I'm somewhat mute on this being a 16 Year old male and now regretting never finding this pictures. But the Law inside of me says to charge them anyways, but my biggest view on this is just...Sue Tom w/e his last name is if they REALLY want to end all this stuff that they constantly attack day after day.

Then again, in a sad malicious way, the Police around the USA and possibly in some other nations need this site up so they can atleast get some cases under their belts.

( Yea I know, poorly worded. I hope you get my point.

And yes, bring on the Criticism... )

That the 19-year-old gets prosecuted for child pornography is understandable. But the 16 year old? Please!

You know this could be a good political Issue for the Game its self.

That School must have bigger problems than porn if they have to Assign a police officer!many US schools have close Police presence..

do the authaurities have absolutely nothing better to spend public money on?

Not really. All the public schools have police officers, even though they almost never do anything.

Yea you are right.

Every Middle School and Highschool have a Police Officer assigned to it.

Sometimes referred to as a Resource Officer.

Not many Elementary schools do, however I wish they would assign some to each one across the nation in bigger communities to help stop the ever so often upwards curve of Molestation around such schools.

( Just towards the end of last year, we had a molestation in an Elementary school here in Lincoln, NEBRASKA, in which 3/4 of the School Faculty were gone for a Funeral, thus were all replaced by mostly inexperienced staff members.

The molestor walked in casualty, and it has been decided that he walked into the bathroom near the Preschool/Kindergarten area and staked it out until a little boy entered.

Pretty sick people. )

:rolleyes:

Am I the only one who thinks this is BS? I mean.. come on..

That's crazy...but hey! my aunt works at Lincoln high School!!! Though she works with kids that have "special needs." Next time I see her, I'll ask if she knew these porn stars...lol I live in Cumberland, which is right next door to lincoln....Luckily the Blackstone river seperates the towns so all those porn stars can't come crawling here......lol

And for the last fucking time...

Would Lawyers go after real fucking problems instead of fucking Video Games?


Totally Agree! :D

That the 19-year-old gets prosecuted for child pornography is understandable. But the 16 year old? Please!
If the 16 year old is of the age of consent (which she is, as the age of consent in Rhode Island is 16), how is it child pornography?

That the 19-year-old gets prosecuted for child pornography is understandable. But the 16 year old? Please!Wait a minute... why should the 19-year-old be prosecuted?

US sex laws are BullShit

The 19 yo was charged with it to. They knowingly did this. >.> Though it is way extreme.

The 19 yo was charged with it to. They knowingly did this. >.> Though it is way extreme.
Did what? Posted pornographic images of competent humans above the age of consent?

Depends.

For instance, in Connecticut, you are old enough to be certified to drive an automobile(a multi-ton conglomeration of steel and glass) around other vehicles and pedestrians at any time, day or night and in any weather at age sixteen.

But you need to be eighteen to operate a deli slicer. Afterall, you might cut off your thumb. :p

You had better watch out for me. I'm sixteen, recently just got my license, and living in Connecticut.

If the 16 year old is of the age of consent (which she is, as the age of consent in Rhode Island is 16), how is it child pornography?
Wasn't this in Connecticut though?

question: can 14 year olds that get caught masturbating be charged with child molestation?

question: can 14 year olds that get caught masturbating be charged with child molestation?

Not that I know of!

Wow. While I think the 16 year old should get in trouble, and perhaps even her parents, I don't think child pornography charges are the right charges...

While I think the 16 year old should get in trouble, and perhaps even her parents

for what?

But you need to be eighteen to operate a deli slicer. Afterall, you might cut off your thumb. :p

Guh? That's news to me.. I violated that one for about 8 years, at least. :p

for what?
Posting illegal content on the internet.

Posting illegal content on the internet.

so? the law is stupid.

Wait if it's their own pictures, how is it... Wait I thought people were convicted of child porn because it violated the child. If the child is showing it themselves then how is it... I'm confused...

so? the law is stupid.
It is still a law, plus it violates MySpace terms of agreement.

Wait if it's their own pictures, how is it... Wait I thought people were convicted of child porn because it violated the child. If the child is showing it themselves then how is it... I'm confused...

hence my question, can 14 year olds that get caught masturbating be charged with child molestation?

They can't.

If the 16 year old is of the age of consent (which she is, as the age of consent in Rhode Island is 16), how is it child pornography?

I believe that you have to be 18 to pose sexually explicit pictures however; which is really a seperate issue to the age of consent.

19 and 16 and they're up on child porn charges for photos of themselves?
Oh man, I would love to be the judge in this case. At the start of the proceedings I would go 'So let me get this straight, you are basically charging them for exploiting themselves? What the fuck is up with that? I mean what? Do you want me to put them in jail for 10 years?( http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/Statutes/TITLE11/11-9/11-9-1.1.HTM ) Seriously, at this point it would be better just to ensure they're taken down and give them an admonishment instead of completely ruining their lives over something relatively harmless, when all's said and done.'

God, americans are such fucking prudes. I hate them. :gundge:
:p I read that as 'prunes'.

One girl was charged with the same. She was 15, uploaded pics of herself onto the net, and the site was taken down. Oy.

It is still a law

that by itself has never been a justification for anything

plus it violates MySpace terms of agreement.

which are rather stupid too, but at least don't have jail time associated with them.

I believe that you have to be 18 to pose sexually explicit pictures however; which is really a seperate issue to the age of consent.

though if ever there was a clear, obvious, and trivially necessary exemption it would have to be on photos of yourself and your significant other.

:p I read that as 'prunes'.
LOL!

Oh man, I would love to be the judge in this case. At the start of the proceedings I would go 'So let me get this straight, you are basically charging them for exploiting themselves? What the fuck is up with that? I mean what? Do you want me to put them in jail for 10 years?( http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/Statutes/TITLE11/11-9/11-9-1.1.HTM ) Seriously, at this point it would be better just to ensure they're taken down and give them an admonishment instead of completely ruining their lives over something relatively harmless, when all's said and done.'


So true. Though I doubt they will face severe punishment.

So true. Though I doubt they will face severe punishment.
Yeah, it's a good thing RI doesn't have minimum sentencing laws.

So true. Though I doubt they will face severe punishment.
But now they'll have a criminal Record and be on the Sex offenders list. Their future is screwed.

----
Employer: You're convicted of child porn?
Girl: Well it was just a picture of mys.
Employer: Sorry you're not what we're looking for. Pervert.
=Repeat Endlessly

which are rather stupid too, but at least don't have jail time associated with them.
It's the sites rules, so they get to say what stays and what goes. It is as simple as that.

It's the sites rules, so they get to say what stays and what goes. It is as simple as that.

is/ought

though if ever there was a clear, obvious, and trivially necessary exemption it would have to be on photos of yourself and your significant other.

It's all strict liability though.

Anyway, I imagine it is not so much the possesion of the photos, but rather the fact that they were posted on the internet which led to all this fuss.

Still, it's probably a good case for the exercise of prosecutorial discretion.

I hate to say this but 'Nudism' is a freedom of expression that has gone a bit to far!

Depends on where you are.

:p I read that as 'prunes'.


Hehehe I do agree with TPE, prudes do suck.

Depends on where you are.

Yes....Europe its easier then America for one. Uncommon still. >.>

Anyway, I imagine it is not so much the possesion of the photos, but rather the fact that they were posted on the internet which led to all this fuss.

and not so much the mere fact that they were on the internet, but that apparently the cops are now actively patrolling myspace without having any particular reason to do so.

:rolleyes:

Am I the only one who thinks this is BS? I mean.. come on..
You know what I think? I think that's... (http://exomnium.googlepages.com/FrenchforS.wav)

:rolleyes: pedafile

Wanting to nail 16 year olds never makes you a paedophile, wanker.

Even if you're 98 years old.

One girl was charged with the same. She was 15, uploaded pics of herself onto the net, and the site was taken down. Oy.

A 13 year old girl got charged after she sent naked pics of herself to a webpig pretending to be her age...

I think alot of the cops involved with cases like these are probably crypto-paedophiles.

hence my question, can 14 year olds that get caught masturbating be charged with child molestation?

I have to admit this, I once molested a 12 year old boy 1460 times in a year.

And then I turned 13. ^.^

Wasn't this in Connecticut though?
Rhode Island.

in the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the police who hang out on myspace, and the district attorneys who prosecute the self-cammers. these are their stories.

Goddamn it. If someone would tell me how to add a quote to my sig, that is going straight under my nation name.

Am I the only one who thinks this is BS? I mean.. come on..
Probably not, but care to explain why you say that? Hmm? :)

Wanting to nail 16 year olds never makes you a paedophile, wanker.

Even if you're 98 years old.
Hmm. Well, I'm "only" 62, and since I was 18, I have never had any desire to "nail 16 year olds."

I think alot of the cops involved with cases like these are probably crypto-paedophiles.

i wonder if the cops ask for volunteers on the force to cover the myspace and aol operations?

i wonder if the cops ask for volunteers on the force to cover the myspace and aol operations?

Naw... those who DONT want this assignment of watching for nekid teenage birdies PLEASE raise their hands...

Seems to me that some 16 year old being stopped from posing as she pleases in presumably the privacy of her own home is just another spurious assault on her human and civil rights...

i wonder if the cops ask for volunteers on the force to cover the myspace and aol operations?
Maybe they take out ads in the local paper for amateur VICE workers to do this for them.

Hmm. Well, I'm "only" 62, and since I was 18, I have never had any desire to "nail 16 year olds."

Well, that doesn't make it unusual for some biological adults to be sexually attracted to other biological adults, perhaps your tastes are different.

Well, that doesn't make it unusual for some biological adults to be sexually attracted to other biological adults, perhaps your tastes are different.


... define biological adult.

Then compare it to the somewhat outlandish notions of what sexual maturity is in some parts of the world. And I don't mean the Middle East either, some other 'Middle'...

...Then compare it to the somewhat outlandish notions of what sexual maturity is in some parts of the world. And I don't mean the Middle East either, some other 'Middle'...sexual maturity in the middle east? I dont know.. 24?

sexual maturity in the middle east? I dont know.. 24?

Try Middle America... from a global perspective, that's the grand coalition of sexual pervs.

Quiet you heathens, the sexual maturity level of all people is 18, because that is the legal age of consent in the US and the US knows all about science and what is best for you.

Try Middle America... from a global perspective, that's the grand coalition of sexual pervs.If "sexual maturity" is the age they start "doing it" I would guess that in New York High schools its around 14.

why do you ask?

Quiet you heathens, the sexual maturity level of all people is 18, because that is the legal age of consent in the US and the US knows all about science and what is best for you.


A question for all believers in Intelligent Design out there.

So, supposing there is such a thing as Intelligent Design, how come there is a gap of some 5 years between Sexual Maturity By Nature and Sexual Maturity By Law?

Goddamn it. If someone would tell me how to add a quote to my sig, that is going straight under my nation name.

i think you can just copy 'n paste it in (with or without the quote tags) from your user control panel page

If "sexual maturity" is the age they start "doing it" I would guess that in New York High schools its around 14.

why do you ask?


Not when they start, but when then CAN reproduce.

If you support a Law that makes a difference between the biological ability to reproduce and the legal right to use your ability, then I put it to you that you are the kind of sick, perverted mind that belongs in a mental asylum. Not to mention being an incurable busybody. And probably a logic-chopper as well.

I have to admit this, I once molested a 12 year old boy 1460 times in a year.

And then I turned 13. ^.^

uh oh. if that was within the statute of limitations, then you're going to jail you horrible self-abuser.

Try Middle America... from a global perspective, that's the grand coalition of sexual pervs.

I am guessing you have never watched Hentai? :eek:

... define biological adult.

Then compare it to the somewhat outlandish notions of what sexual maturity is in some parts of the world. And I don't mean the Middle East either, some other 'Middle'...

Biological adult is anyone who is mostly done puberty, fully capable of reproducing.

Not all biological adults have the maturity to make wise decisions regarding sex, some never fully attain it. That doesn't mean you're dirty for wanting them. Acting on those desires may be different.

If the 16 year old is of the age of consent (which she is, as the age of consent in Rhode Island is 16), how is it child pornography?
Because RI's age of consent means jack shit in this case? Since the photographs would be viewable throughout the country, the federal age of consent would be used.

Because RI's age of consent means jack shit in this case? Since the photographs would be viewable throughout the country, the federal age of consent would be used.

and this would make what she did to herself wrong how exactly? there might be a case for saying that it's wrong for other people to have the pictures, but it isn't other people who are facing punishment by the state.

is there even a federal age of consent?

and this would make what she did to herself wrong how exactly? there might be a case for saying that it's wrong for other people to have the pictures, but it isn't other people who are facing punishment by the state.
Beats me. I don't care about this at all. I'm just arguing because I can.

is there even a federal age of consent?
Yes. 18.

i think you can just copy 'n paste it in (with or without the quote tags) from your user control panel page

You are hereby officially sigged.

Because RI's age of consent means jack shit in this case? Since the photographs would be viewable throughout the country, the federal age of consent would be used.
Would that not make it illegal for other people to view them, not for them to post them?

..you are the kind of sick, perverted mind that belongs in a mental asylum. Not to mention being an incurable busybody. And probably a logic-chopper as well.you must think I am Scotish :D :D :p :D

Would that not make it illegal for other people to view them, not for them to post them?

and, in fact, the only person we know for sure who saw something he wasn't allowed to was that cop they had on myspace duty. string him up, i say.

:rolleyes:

Am I the only one who thinks this is BS? I mean.. come on..

I don't think it's BS.

Child porn is vile, no matter who or where it comes from.

It's very justifiable.

>> A police officer assigned to Lincoln High School, where the girl was a student, discovered the photographs while monitoring the Web site.

The police officer, what's he doing looking at web sites ... doesn't he have work?

actually, MySpace already has a policy against posting of porn of any kind on its site. That means absolutely no nudity allowed whatever.

Yes, it's BS.

It may be technically child pornography (in the case of the 16 year old), but there are so many cases of serious abuse, that targeting these girls seems pointless.


Totally agree.

(Cough) Anyone have the link to these websites?:rolleyes:

actually, MySpace already has a policy against posting of porn of any kind on its site. That means absolutely no nudity allowed whatever.

that's nice. what does that have to do with anything?

Same... but we can't legally!? Where's the proof? >.>

Nudists (with children in the photos) get away with it on their sites...why go to such EXTREME lengths to punish two girls? They did something wrong, the pictures should be taken down and maybe a watch on their pages.
I don't know. If they notified MySpace, MySpace might have deleted their pages for this.

wait wait wait... am I right in thinking that two kids have been arrested under a law that is supposed to protect them by arresting adults?!?! how can you arrest a kid for committing child porn offences on THEIRSELF?!?!

wtf?!?!?!

I have a question (not about BS this time!) how old do you need to be in the U.S to be an Adult?

most accepted ages are 18. 18 to vote, 18 to drink, 18 to have sex. There are loopholes though. In wisconsin (my state) you can drink with your parents at ANY age. Age of consent varies from 16-18. etc etc

What I find most convient is this: If a child commits a murder, they can be triec in adult court (kid in Florida who powerbombed another kid and killed him(I don't have a link, sorry)) However in anything else than homocide, its 18 for adult and nothing else.

What's with bringing back a thread from March? Weird.

:rolleyes:

Am I the only one who thinks this is BS? I mean.. come on..

WoW. If you are 19, you may not dispose of your body - except by assigning it to the Armed Forces.
This is quite absurd.

I'm reminded of the tale about some teenagers who served in the Homeland Air Defense in during the Hitler Era who were asked to leave during a risquee movie.
'So we are allowed to die, but not to watch a movie.'

WoW. If you are 19, you may not dispose of your body - except by assigning it to the Armed Forces.
This is quite absurd.

I'm reminded of the tale about some teenagers who served in the Homeland Air Defense in during the Hitler Era who were asked to leave during a risquee movie.
'So we are allowed to die, but not to watch a movie.'

i dunno what your talking about but 18 is the age to view risque movies and dispose of your body as you see fit

i dunno what your talking about but 18 is the age to view risque movies and dispose of your body as you see fit


You did read the opening post? She was 19. And got slammed.

If you're a big enough dumbass to put nude pictures of yourself on a pretty much publically accessible website even though you are in violation of a court ordered curfew, you deserve to be pwned by the law.
and
While I think the 16 year old should get in trouble
No you don't(to the first). If she wants to do that then that is her problem... and maybe her parents problem to.

A police officer assigned to Lincoln High School, where the girl was a student, discovered the photographs while monitoring the Web site.
Wait, how does this work do they see what websites the students have been on at school and e-stalk them or do a search for certain people or what?

What's with bringing back a thread from March? Weird. Really? Anyone know what happened?

Yes, it's BS.

It may be technically child pornography (in the case of the 16 year old), but there are so many cases of serious abuse, that targeting these girls seems pointless.

So because there are murders we should ignore criminal damage. Thats essentially your argument. Because murders are more serious after all.

Thats not how the Justice system works. If someone speeds by 5mph and someone speeds by 50mph they are both arrested. The latter may be charged with a more serious punishment than the former but they are both charged.

So because there are murders we should ignore criminal damage. Thats essentially your argument. Because murders are more serious after all.

Thats not how the Justice system works. If someone speeds by 5mph and someone speeds by 50mph they are both arrested. The latter may be charged with a more serious punishment than the former but they are both charged.

Actually, in real life the first example would likely get off with a warning, or, if they go to court over it, it's likely to be thrown out. But you know, reality doesn't matter when it disagrees with rhetoric.

Oh my God, if I lived in the US I could have my girlfriend arrested!

So because there are murders we should ignore criminal damage. Thats essentially your argument. Because murders are more serious after all.

Thats not how the Justice system works. If someone speeds by 5mph and someone speeds by 50mph they are both arrested. The latter may be charged with a more serious punishment than the former but they are both charged.

That's not my argument at all.

Child pornography is a serious problem in NA, and there are limited resources to tackle it. Using those resources to charge a 16 year old girl who voluntarily posted pics of herself seems like a waste of resources when there are numerous serious offenders out there. (Particularly, when 16 is age of consent in many areas.)

The law isn't as cookie-cutter as you make it out to be. Everything from sentencing to whether or not an officer files charges in the first place is up to the discretion of law enforcement and the justice system. This could have been dealt with something as simple as 'you are ordered to remove these posts from your website' followed by a visit from the police explaining why posting pics of yourself underage is wrong. A warning never hurts.

Your traffic analogy may hold water in the US, but it doesn't up here. No one pulls you over for doing 5 over the limit. The rule of thumb is that most people are doing 10 over the limit, and the police generally keep an eye out for worse transgressors.

The murder analogy is silly. There's no case where I would hold up not arresting someone for murder, because it was voluntary or something. I'm saying that for the crime that these girls (or one girl?) are being charged with, is a heavy-handed and rediculous use of a law meant to catch serious child pornographers.

18 to drive (permit possible at 16)

Not always. That varys considerably from place to place. Where I live, for example, it's 15 for a permit and 16 for a license.

Not always. That varys considerably from place to place. Where I live, for example, it's 15 for a permit and 16 for a license.

OK.
No nation that distinguishes like that between 'permit' and 'license' can be impugned of sanity.

:p

:rolleyes:
Am I the only one who thinks this is BS? I mean.. come on..
actually, only ONE of them is being charged with Child Porn. the 19 yr old is legally an adult.. posting pictures of a minor (the 16 yr old) does fall into the definition of Child Porn.

that's how the law works. you walk into a bank, show your gun in your belt (but never draw it) and you will still be charged with ARMED robbery... even if the gun in your belt is a toy.

That 16 year old is old enough to be married, according to the laws in Rhode Island. So she's old enough to enter a legally-binding contract that (at least in theory) will endure for the remainder of her natural life, but she's not old enough to put up pictures of her own nude body on the internet?

Ooookay.

actually, only ONE of them is being charged with Child Porn. the 19 yr old is legally an adult.. posting pictures of a minor (the 16 yr old) does fall into the definition of Child Porn.

that's how the law works. you walk into a bank, show your gun in your belt (but never draw it) and you will still be charged with ARMED robbery... even if the gun in your belt is a toy.

This law is suppposed to be there to protect the 16 year-old, not punish them. Therefore, it is BS. An officer's discretion is always warranted.

This law is suppposed to be there to protect the 16 year-old, not punish them. Therefore, it is BS. An officer's discretion is always warranted.
my mistake, both are being charged with Child Pornography for she posted a pic of a naked minor, her pic, but still a naked pic of a minor.

The 16-year-old was arraigned before a Family Court judge Monday on a charge of child pornography and violating a court-ordered curfew, Healey said. The girl is being held at the Rhode Island Training School pending a probable cause hearing Friday, he said.

note, the 16 year old was already under a COURT-ORDERED CURFEW.... so did she get in trouble with the law before? we can only speculate, but it does seem likely.

and sometimes, one has to protect the minor from his/herself. She broke the law, so she needs to be punnished. The fact that her pics were also posted on her site means she was not a victim but a willing accomplice.

18. Though sex by age 16 is acceptable.
So sixteen is the legal age? Cause a friend of mine is 21 and his girlfriend is 15, they don't have sex, but they'd like to know the legal age "just incase".

So sixteen is the legal age? Cause a friend of mine is 21 and his girlfriend is 15, they don't have sex, but they'd like to know the legal age "just incase".
Depending on the state they live in, he could be in a world of trouble.

See, there's these funny things called "Romeo and Juliet laws." The way it works is that it's okay to have sex with a minor as long as you are within a certain number of years in age. For instance, where I lived it was legal for a 15 year old to have sex with an 18 year old, even though the 18 year old was an adult having sex with a minor. However, the limit was 3 years in age difference; if a 19 year old had sex with a 15 year old, that was stat rape.

It is probably best for all concerned if your friend finds a playmate closer to his own age. At least until his current ladyfriend is old enough to drive.

She broke the law, so she needs to be punnished.

the second does not at all follow from the first

That 16 year old is old enough to be married, according to the laws in Rhode Island. So she's old enough to enter a legally-binding contract that (at least in theory) will endure for the remainder of her natural life, but she's not old enough to put up pictures of her own nude body on the internet?

Ooookay.Ah, but you see she isn't allowed to smoke cigarettes or drink alcohol... ;)

I need to see these pictures of the 19 and 16 year old together to see what they mean by 'sexually explicit'

Aw come on...if two girls want to post themselves naked, who really cares. The dods of someone fidning that are low...well until someone reposts it elsewhere. But still.

the second does not all all follow from the first
Did the 16 year old break the law?
Did the 16 year old violate the Court-ordered Curfew?

should the 16 year old be punnished?

Did the 16 year old break the law?

should the 16 year old be punnished?

apparently

no, obviously not

Oh man, I would love to be the judge in this case. At the start of the proceedings I would go 'So let me get this straight, you are basically charging them for exploiting themselves? What the fuck is up with that? I mean what? Do you want me to put them in jail for 10 years?( http://www.rilin.state.ri.us/Statutes/TITLE11/11-9/11-9-1.1.HTM ) Seriously, at this point it would be better just to ensure they're taken down and give them an admonishment instead of completely ruining their lives over something relatively harmless, when all's said and done.'

I love to be the DA - I'd plead the Chewbacca defence!! :D

This case does not make sense! :confused:

Quiet you heathens, the sexual maturity level of all people is 18, because that is the legal age of consent in the US and the US knows all about science and what is best for you.

Incorrect. Legal age of consent varries from state to state, in Michigan it is 16, in Colorado (and I know this only because I was working in the school system and it was meantioned in the students sex ed class) the age of consent is 15.

Incorrect. Legal age of consent varries from state to state, in Michigan it is 16, in Colorado (and I know this only because I was working in the school system and it was meantioned in the students sex ed class) the age of consent is 15.
Not only are we gravedigging, but we are calling me out on something I said that I don't remember but is quite obviously sarcasm and correcting me.

Not only are we gravedigging, but we are calling me out on something I said that I don't remember but is quite obviously sarcasm and correcting me.

Grave digging? I just found this thread today, the thread had been replyed to today by others. Am I honestly expected to examine each individual post for date when replying? As for the sarcasim being obvious, if that were the case I wouldn't have replyed at all.

Not only are we gravedigging, but we are calling me out on something I said that I don't remember but is quite obviously sarcasm and correcting me.
Didn't realize the dates, but still, Gravedigging has happend and was allowed if the Grave diggers and subsequent posts manage to keep the topic viable with honest attempts at serious debate/discussion.

apparently

no, obviously not
so you believe that all minors should be allowed to break the laws and not get punnished for it?

so minors who deal with drugs, perform armed robbery, assualt and even murder should not even get a slap on the wrist?

glad you're not running our legal system here.

wait wait wait... am I right in thinking that two kids have been arrested under a law that is supposed to protect them by arresting adults?!?! how can you arrest a kid for committing child porn offences on THEIRSELF?!?!

wtf?!?!?!
You're having fun among the dead threads, aren't you? ;)

so you believe that all minors should be allowed to break the laws and not get punnished for it?

depends on the law in question. laws that are unjust or in direct contradiction with other laws or merely obviously retarded get automatically thrown out in my book. the one in question here is both retarded and contradictory.

i'd estimate that at least 65% of the laws on the books are stupid, directly contradictory to other laws, or otherwise unjust. breaking them is either neutral or a positive good in the world.

You're having fun among the dead threads, aren't you? ;)
[phoney British Accent] nah, it's not dead, merely resting.

depends on the law in question. laws that are unjust or in direct contradiction with other laws or merely obviously retarded get automatically thrown out in my book. the one in question here is both retarded and contradictory.

i'd estimate that at least 65% of the laws on the books are stupid, directly contradictory to other laws, or otherwise unjust. breaking them is either neutral or a positive good in the world.
and which law is that. the one about it being illegal to post naked pictures of minors?

and which law is that. the one about it being illegal to post naked pictures of minors?

the other one, the one that says that in sexual matters she ain't a minor at all

the other one, the one that says that in sexual matters she ain't a minor at all
which law is that?

the 19 year old is being tried as an adult from what I gather,
the 16 yr old is being sent to Juvie court.

Am I the only one thinking I would like to see the pictures?
Umm... yeah, definitely. I have no desire to see a 16 year old and a 19 year old going at it. None at all.:rolleyes: :cool: ;)

And don't call me a pedophile, because I'm a minor too, so I have a right to look at such things-- nay, a civic duty!

.Your traffic analogy may hold water in the US, but it doesn't up here. No one pulls you over for doing 5 over the limit. The rule of thumb is that most people are doing 10 over the limit, and the police generally keep an eye out for worse transgressors

At 35MPH you are twice as likly to kill someone than when you are traveling at 30MPH (in a car before someone decides to get silly)

This is why we have speed cameras. The police cant be everywhere, so they use automated devices do the work for them

The point of the matter is any crime, if discovered by the police, should be charged

At 35MPH you are twice as likly to kill someone than when you are traveling at 30MPH (in a car before someone decides to get silly)

This is why we have speed cameras. The police cant be everywhere, so they use automated devices do the work for them

The point of the matter is any crime, if discovered by the police, should be charged

Speed cameras don't exist in Ontario. They tried it in Ontario, and it ended up in the NDP being booted out of provincial politics, possibly indefinitely.

The point of the matter, is that every crime should have a judge with a brain judging th matter. Laws are not mathematical equations to put every single case against for comparison. Someone with a sense of what is right should look at a situation and say, 'Hey, the law that is meant to protect children from sexual exploitation should not be used to punish the children it has been created to protect'.

Really, it's not rocket science.

And with that 1000th response, I am now officially a 'pimp'.

I wouldn't normally care, but now I feel like I should be getting a techincolour dreamcoat in the mail from the people at NS.

This is clearly a case of Selective Prosecution! Appeal! Appeal! Appeal!

so you believe that all minors should be allowed to break the laws and not get punnished for it?

so minors who deal with drugs, perform armed robbery, assualt and even murder should not even get a slap on the wrist?

glad you're not running our legal system here.

wtf are you taking? anti-hippy pills (like hippy pills, but instead of to the relaxed extreme, they're to the stupidly-strict extreme)???

the law is designed to protect CHILDREN - how can anyone with an ounce of sense prosecute a CHILD for exploiting theirself? That's like locking up every child who has had underage sex with an adult instead of just locking up the adult! So am I to assume, based on your ridiculous post, that if you were a judge and faced with a case of a 60-year-old man coercing a 10-year-old into sex, you would lock up the ten year old for "exploiting theirself"??? Get a brain transplant, PLEASE.

I have a question (not about BS this time!) how old do you need to be in the U.S to be an Adult?
For photos of an erotic nature, 18.

:rolleyes:

Am I the only one who thinks this is BS? I mean.. come on..

What's even dumber is if convicted, they'll have to register as sex offenders. This is really messed up. So messed up, I almost wrote fucked up instead, but changed my mind.