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He sure did posess many of the qualities of stereotype gay men. Nothing manly about him, really. Never drunk, never angry...

Thoughts?

he had a beard. thats manly. just look at chuck norris...

You wish.

He sure did posess many of the qualities of stereotype gay men. Nothing manly about him, really. Never drunk, never angry...

Oh, you'd be surprised how manly it is to get your brains fucked out.

He sure did posess many of the qualities of stereotype gay men. Nothing manly about him, really. Never drunk, never angry...

Thoughts?

Funnily enough there is a surprising amount about this on www.oxfordcavaliers.com.

If you think the manly qualities are being drunk and angry, then you are in a bad shape. He was assertive, he was forthright, couragous and virtuous. Sorry these do not measure up to throwing a drunken strop.

so if you aren't an angry drunk then you are a gay man?:confused:

It would certainly clear up the whole dumb "God made Adam and Eve not adam and Steve" arguement that all these patronising christian bastards use.

Maybe somebody religious should ask him directly for a sign.

Actually, he did pull a notorious act of violence when he beat the shit out of the money changers.

He also drank regularly. Remember, water into wine?

so if you aren't an angry drunk then you are a gay man?:confused:

And if you're a gay man, you're not a man. Don't forget that.

possible but not likely

after all, if jesus were gay then christians would consider STRAIGHT sex to be something to be avoided in most circumstances, only done under the force of legal marriage, and only done for procreation.

that would never happen

Sure he was. Didn't you ever read about his gay orgies and how he made wine to give to little boys?

He sure did posess many of the qualities of stereotype gay men. Nothing manly about him, really. Never drunk, never angry...

Thoughts?
He never once went to the bathroom, either.

I wonder what it all means?

so if you aren't an angry drunk then you are a gay man?:confused:
No, you also have to know how to fix at least minor problem with your car, install a lightswitch and like sports. :)


Also, you have to ride a motorcycle.



And you can't drink wine coolers or Zima.


That's it.


Oh, and you have to like horror films and action films.


And have seen Die Hard.


that's it. :D

And if you're a gay man, you're not a man. Don't forget that.
well, that sucks. I mean gay guys like men, so if gay guys aren't men then how do they...............nevermind.

I don't like the "real men" thing that people do, either you are a man or you aren't, it should be that simple. (I suppose in the case of gender misassignment "if you have a penis then you are a man" is not going to work)

possible but not likely

after all, if jesus were gay then christians would consider STRAIGHT sex to be something to be avoided in most circumstances, only done under the force of legal marriage, and only done for procreation.

that would never happen

Well, His (other) teachings have not been consistently adhered to through history...

Sure he was. Didn't you ever read about his gay orgies and how he made wine to give to little boys?


I think you're getting Jesus confused with international popstar and pain in the arse, Michael Jackon. Although if you saw his performance at the 1996 Brit awards, you can be forgiven for this simple mistake, as he appeared to have made it also.

Sure he was. Didn't you ever read about his gay orgies and how he made wine to give to little boys?

Nope. Which bible translation have you got?

well, that sucks. I mean gay guys like men, so if gay guys aren't men then how do they...............nevermind.

As I wrote earlier, you'd be surprised how manly you can be when being fucked. It takes a lot more than a sissy to handle cock.

I don't like the "real men" thing that people do, either you are a man or you aren't, it should be that simple. (I suppose in the case of gender misassignment "if you have a penis then you are a man" is not going to work)

It's insecurity. They need cock. It's that simple.

........ He was assertive, he was forthright, couragous and virtuous.....

All distinctly gayish traits.

As I wrote earlier, you'd be surprised how manly you can be when being fucked. It takes a lot more than a sissy to handle cock.
I bet.



It's insecurity. They need cock. It's that simple.
well, doesn't everyone? :D

If you think the manly qualities are being drunk and angry, then you are in a bad shape. He was assertive, he was forthright, couragous and virtuous.


All distinctly gayish traits.


If these are gay traits then i think there are going to be millions of women signing up to have "the op" very shortly....

I bet.

well, doesn't everyone? :D

Through cock shall come world peace. I've been saying that all along. If everyone just got the cock they so desperatly need, we'd be set.

I think you're getting Jesus confused with international popstar and pain in the arse, Michael Jackon. Although if you saw his performance at the 1996 Brit awards, you can be forgiven for this simple mistake, as he appeared to have made it also.

No, I'm sure. I've seen pictures.

Through cock shall come world peace. I've been saying that all along. If everyone just got the cock they so desperatly need, we'd be set.
I agree, although my husband has been out of town for a few days so I have been going without........and may be delirious due to lack of.....well, penis :D

No, of course he wasn't gay, assuming he existed at all. Given that the Bible pretty clearly forbids such things, it would make no sense for one of its most important characters to violate it. Of course, I'm no theologian, so maybe there are loopholes in Biblical law or something that I'm not aware of.

jesus is not gay.....he never sinned that dosent make him gay...your just a bunch of bastards iwht nothing better to do than acuse people of being gay that have done nothign but good things....get a life my god :upyours:

I agree, although my husband has been out of town for a few days so I have been going without........and may be delirious due to lack of.....well, penis :D

Well, as long as he's getting cock, it balances out.

Through cock shall come world peace. I've been saying that all along. If everyone just got the cock they so desperatly need, we'd be set.
Y'know, I tried to offer that as my excuse to the judge. Regretfully, he didn't think that I should be offering my cock in Central Park, so I accused him of being a war-mongering Republican and now I'm awaiting sentencing.
In conclusion, the testimony gay Swedish medical students isn't all that useful as evidence in a criminal trial.

jesus is not gay.....he never sinned that dosent make him gay...your just a bunch of bastards iwht nothing better to do than acuse people of being gay that have done nothign but good things....get a life my god

Being gay is a good thing. Actually, the best thing. So, chill.

Oh, you'd be surprised how manly it is to get your brains fucked out.
Best post I've seen all day by far. and to answer the question, Jesus was gay and he had sex with all 12 disciples. Why do you think they followed him around all the time? Because he healed people? no, it was because he was great in bed and could suck a basketball through a garden hose.

Just remember. Jesus is coming, and its good to have his salvation on your face. sorry Im done now

jesus is not gay.....he never sinned that dosent make him gay...your just a bunch of bastards iwht nothing better to do than acuse people of being gay that have done nothing but good things....get a life my god :upyours:


Hey, no-one but you has said being gay was sinful...you're the only one making THAT assumption....

Well, as long as he's getting cock, it balances out.
I don't think he is (but then again he is in California right now so who knows)

Y'know, I tried to offer that as my excuse to the judge. Regretfully, he didn't think that I should be offering my cock in Central Park, so I accused him of being a war-mongering Republican and now I'm awaiting sentencing.
In conclusion, the testimony gay Swedish medical students isn't all that useful as evidence in a criminal trial.

That's what you get for living in a sexually repressed, puritanically cockphobic country. Don't blame the cock, blame the cock-deniers.

I don't think he is (but then again he is in California right now so who knows)

Manuél, that's who.

That's what you get for living in a sexually repressed, puritanically cockphobic country. Don't blame the cock, blame the cock-deniers.

Lol - touche!

Manuél, that's who.
you think I should call and see if he will bring him home?

being gay is a sin it says it in the bible so w/e u want to think i dont really care......and i know ull be in hell one day with all u other gay people

being gay is a sin it says it in the bible so w/e u want to think i dont really care......and i know ull be in hell one day with all u other gay people

We'll see ya there, honey. :fluffle:

being gay is a sin it says it in the bible so w/e u want to think i dont really care......and i know ull be in hell one day with all u other gay people
prove it.

being gay is a sin it says it in the bible so w/e u want to think i dont really care......and i know ull be in hell one day with all u other gay people
thank you, go play in the sand box and let the big people talk now

jesus is not gay.....he never sinned that dosent make him gay...your just a bunch of bastards iwht nothing better to do than acuse people of being gay that have done nothign but good things....get a life my god :upyours:
True, his sinning is not mentioned. Which doesn't make him gay but neither did he do any manly stuff, which doesn't make him straight...

Not an accusation you gayhating person. You make it sound as if he was on trial for pedophilia or terrorismus. Not at all.

you think I should call and see if he will bring him home?

Two heads are better than one.

being gay is a sin it says it in the bible so w/e u want to think i dont really care......and i know ull be in hell one day with all u other gay people


Having appalling grammar and the inability to type "you" is also a sin.

In fact the penalty for that is being buggered by seraphim for all eternity.

See you down there!

True, his sinning is not mentioned. Which doesn't make him gay but neither did he do any manly stuff, which doesn't make him straight...

Not an accusation you gayhating person. You make it sound as if he was on trial for pedophilia or terrorismus. Not at all.
Well...technically he did go against the institution at the time, and I am sure the Temple authorities saw him as somewhat of a terrorist.

True, his sinning is not mentioned. Which doesn't make him gay but neither did he do any manly stuff, which doesn't make him straight...

Not an accusation you gayhating person. You make it sound as if he was on trial for pedophilia or terrorismus. Not at all.
How on earth can you call someone 'gayhating' when you're using 'gay stereotypes' to try and prove Jesus was gay?

Seriously, when you posted the thread, who were you trying to wind up more - homosexuals or Christians?

The real Story about Jesus Christ:
http://thetravisty.com/Family_Guy/wmv/Jesus_Christ.htm

Two heads are better than one.
I think you might be onto something......

UR right i ddo hate gay people...i pretty much started hating them when my gay english teacher was hiting on me u god damn assholes......im straight unlike half the people posting here

he never sinned that dosent make him gay

Never sinning doesn't make him gay ... you're right ...

It's the butt sex with Peter that made him gay.

He sure did posess many of the qualities of stereotype gay men. Nothing manly about him, really. Never drunk, never angry...

Thoughts?
I think it's a possibility. Can you imagine how many women must have been wanting to get all over him? And yet we know of no descendants of his. makes you wonder...

UR right i ddo hate gay people...i pretty much started hating them when my gay english teacher was hiting on me u god damn assholes......im straight unlike half the people posting here
it's not Christian-like to hate people. Jesus says to love your neighbor.

UR right i ddo hate gay people...i pretty much started hating them when my gay english teacher was hiting on me u god damn assholes......im straight unlike half the people posting here
Aww you poor little mentally handicapped baby...why don't you check into a mental institution, or somewhere willing to take you in. :rolleyes:

UR right i ddo hate gay people...

How ever shall I as a gay person manage to go on?

i pretty much started hating them when my gay english teacher was hiting on me u god damn assholes.....

Oh, look who's flattering himself. Gay people have better taste than to hit on people like you.

im straight unlike half the people posting here

Sure you are.

UR right i ddo hate gay people...i pretty much started hating them when my gay english teacher was hiting on me u god damn assholes......im straight unlike half the people posting here
You should have complained to the administration, not hating gay people. Unless you're angry because you're English teacher was the only gay hiting on you.

Aww you poor little mentally handicapped baby...why don't you check into a mental institution, or somewhere willing to take you in. :rolleyes:
that's not very nice either......can't we all just get along?!

UR right i ddo hate gay people...i pretty much started hating them when my gay english teacher was hiting on me u god damn assholes......im straight unlike half the people posting here

Just cause you're straight doesn't mean you're going to get laid.

Anyway, gay or not, I'm sure your english teacher would never be able to reconcile himself to starting an affair with a pupil who had all the linguistic skills of a labotomised baboon....

Ok-trudged through three pages of sillyness. Still confused as to what the point of any of this could be.

I'm staying on this side of the cock. thanks

I think you might be onto something......

Well, I haven't mounted the fullness of it yet, but I'm cautiously optimistic.

u think im mental cuz i dont like gay people i nkow i shouldnt hate them because i am a christian but they creep me out...and whoever said the thing about jesus having gay sex....go jack off somewhere else u sick perve

Anyway, gay or not, I'm sure your english teacher would never be able to reconcile himself to starting an affair with a pupil who had all the linguistic skills of a labotomised baboon....


A what? Ooops...

UR right i ddo hate gay people...i pretty much started hating them when my gay english teacher was hiting on me u god damn assholes......im straight unlike half the people posting here

More tales of abortion survival.

Mmmmm .... angry puppet.

and whoever said the thing about jesus having gay sex....go jack off somewhere else u sick perve

More than you'll ever know, sweetums.

A what? Ooops...


Shhhh, he'll never know!!!!

that's not very nice either......can't we all just get along?!
Oh please, so he can then either perform some "miraculous" reversion of his prior attitude having seen the "error of his ways" as a mask for cowardice or so he can go on trolling?

Well, I haven't mounted the fullness of it yet, but I'm cautiously optimistic.
I think I should stop thinking about it, before Kimchi comes to tell me about how as a Christian I can fully embrace group sex.

u think im mental cuz i dont like gay people i nkow i shouldnt hate them because i am a christian but they creep me out...and whoever said the thing about jesus having gay sex....go jack off somewhere else u sick perve
No, we think you're mental because you don't know how to write.

I think I should stop thinking about it, before Kimchi comes to tell me about how as a Christian I can fully embrace group sex.

You buy what Kimchi's selling? That's kind of sad.

u think im mental cuz i dont like gay people i nkow i shouldnt hate them because i am a christian but they creep me out...and whoever said the thing about jesus having gay sex....go jack off somewhere else u sick perve
You also can't type.

u think im mental cuz i dont like gay people i nkow i shouldnt hate them because i am a christian but they creep me out

why do something that you know you shouldn't do?

lots of people creep me out, but I don't hate them, it's a waste of time right??

The fact about him getting angry is not true. If you recall the time in the temple when he found that there was much trading and theiveing going on there he was angry. Also there may be points which the bible does not contain. There were several gospels written but the Church only chose those four to be in the bible. It is possible that there were ones that focused more on Jesus's humanity rather that his Godlyness.

More than you'll ever know, sweetums.

*wants to know more*

I think I should stop thinking about it, before Kimchi comes to tell me about how as a Christian I can fully embrace group sex.

Thinking about group sex,Smunkee? Hmmm....

You buy what Kimchi's selling? That's kind of sad.
no, but he bothers me about it. Apparently I am "too prude" because I don't want an everlasting orgie........

How on earth can you call someone 'gayhating' when you're using 'gay stereotypes' to try and prove Jesus was gay?

Seriously, when you posted the thread, who were you trying to wind up more - homosexuals or Christians?

1.... not trying to prove the gaiety of jc, just a thought crossed my mind

2....stereotyping has nothing to do with hating, even if those often come in pairs..(pardon the pun, it wasn't intentional)


2....windance is not important, of either group

im not gonna fight with u idiots...... heres a fact fer u guys.........fighting on the internet is like running in the special olympics.....even if u win ur still RETARDED

Thinking about group sex,Smunkee? Hmmm....
oh, I think about a lot of things, I wouldn't ever do most of them

The OP makes two gross assumptions: that Jesus didn't regulary binge drink, and that he never got into a bar brawl over who had the best facial hair. I bet he knew how to throw a party.

and whoever said the thing about jesus having gay sex....go jack off somewhere else u sick perve
way ahead of you

im not gonna fight with u idiots...... heres a fact fer u guys.........fighting on the internet is like running in the special olympics.....even if u win ur still RETARDED
Something you should be well acquainted with then. :)

OMG, I saw this post on the main page, and it had 69 replies.

im not gonna fight with u idiots...... heres a fact fer u guys.........fighting on the internet is like running in the special olympics.....even if u win ur still RETARDED
I will keep that in mind.

im not gonna fight with u idiots...... heres a fact fer u guys.........fighting on the internet is like running in the special olympics.....even if u win ur still RETARDED


If you really think so, why are you still Typing?

(Or have I answered the question there?)

So what have we learned boys and girls?

a) We are going to hell

b) We are retarded

Rejoice! Feel the christian love!

Give me oil in my lamp keep me burning!!!!

oh, I think about a lot of things, I wouldn't ever do most of them

thats what they all say :p

im not gonna fight with u idiots...... heres a fact fer u guys.........fighting on the internet is like running in the special olympics.....even if u win ur still RETARDED

If you lose, you're a retarded loser. :D

If you lose, you're a retarded loser. :D
lol nice one:D

no, but he bothers me about it. Apparently I am "too prude" because I don't want an everlasting orgie........

Deep Kimchi is known for being a liar. So, you're not a prude.

u dont have to go to hell {idk about the retarded part but w/e} u just got to accept jesus christ as your savior and u wont go to hell

thats what they all say :p
I bet.

I think the group sex thing has to do with the fact that the other million and a half things I think about I can do with my husband, but that one.......not so much. I am thinking it's an interesting thought, but IRL might actually make me vomit. :p

im not gonna fight with u idiots...... heres a fact fer u guys.........fighting on the internet is like running in the special olympics.....even if u win ur still RETARDED


Oh yes, and just a note that:

c) We are all gay

and Perfect OGs FYI, the PARA-olympics (as everyone over the age of eight calls them) are for physically handicapped people, not those people with learning difficulties....

im not gonna fight with u idiots...... heres a fact fer u guys.........fighting on the internet is like running in the special olympics.....even if u win ur still RETARDED

So we've established you don't like gay people or the mentally handicapped. What are your thoughts on blacks and jews?

Let's open a dialogue because you seem like a fresh and interesting person and many here want to get to know you better. We've never seen your ideas before and they intrigue us.

So when you're done ass reaming your mother, let's hook up.

u dont have to go to hell {idk about the retarded part but w/e} u just got to accept jesus christ as your savior and u wont go to hell
If he was gay, I'm sure I could accomodate.

Deep Kimchi is known for being a liar. So, you're not a prude.

Come on now, Fass-is that the truth, or just an opinion? I'm not aware of him being a liar.

u dont have to go to hell {idk about the retarded part but w/e} u just got to accept jesus christ as your savior and u wont go to hell

So you can accept Jesus and still be a hateful, spiteful asshat who has sex with his mother?

So we've established you don't like gay people or the mentally handicapped. What are your thoughts on blacks and jews?
Another person caught up in self-loathing I guess? :p

u dont have to go to hell {idk about the retarded part but w/e} u just got to accept jesus christ as your savior and u wont go to hell


I'm sorry, I don't truck with fictional characters.

im not gonna fight with u idiots...... heres a fact fer u guys.........fighting on the internet is like running in the special olympics.....even if u win ur still RETARDED

OMG, why oh why did I not make this puppet? Or did I? are u my puppet? orsomeone elses? Where is my hand? Can u feel it?

i dont have a problem wiht handicap people, or jews , and im black incase u wondered

I'm a little surprised at you guys gang-banging the perfect OGs

Is there some prize awaiting the victor I dont know about?

The fact about him getting angry is not true. If you recall the time in the temple when he found that there was much trading and theiveing going on there he was angry. Also there may be points which the bible does not contain. There were several gospels written but the Church only chose those four to be in the bible. It is possible that there were ones that focused more on Jesus's humanity rather that his Godlyness.

He was angry in a gayish way right?

Another person caught up in self-loathing I guess? :p

*tee hee*

Well, he hung out with 12 other men, and one hooker who he never nailed despite her obviously wanting some. What was a carpenter doing with those fishermen anyway?

Peter - I've got a erm, hole that needs filling in. In my... boat.

Jesus - Oh really? I've got just the right tool.

Come on now, Fass-is that the truth, or just an opinion? I'm not aware of him being a liar.

You missed the thread where I caught him blatantly plagiarising a text he claimed was his own and how he then turned around and was indignant for me catching him? And how he keeps changing his story though each incarnation - if it ain't a gay son here, it's a Christian gang bang there - and all the inconsistencies? Please. He's no credibility.

I'm a little surprised at you guys gang-banging the perfect OGs

Is there some prize awaiting the victor I dont know about?
Is having one less person spewing hate messages considered a prize?

So you can accept Jesus and still be a hateful, spiteful asshat who has sex with his mother?

im not hateful {usually} u guys just ticked me off calling jesus gay and where did u get the screwing my mom part....u guys r sick and twisted....i tryed to help u but it seems it wont work

Oh come all ye faithful, and see the original Yule Log.

i dont have a problem wiht handicap people, or jews , and im black incase u wondered

Then you should try harder to educate yourself, stop giving yourself an "original gangstah" online persona because, well, the OG thing died out in 1986 and nobody is scared of thugs anymore.

As a black man, you should be trying to better yourself. It's "you", not "u". It's "I'm", not "Im".

Stop trying to live the White man's stereotype. It belittles us all.

I'm a little surprised at you guys gang-banging the perfect OGs

Is there some prize awaiting the victor I dont know about?
now, I have been quite nice to him. surely, I should get a prize for that?

i dont have a problem wiht handicap people, or jews , and im black incase u wondered

I didn't, I don't care what colour or creed or race you are. That doesn't give you diplomatic immunity against being called a bigotted twat.

WASPs don't have a monopoly on prejudice. Black folks, Jewish folks, hispanics, asians, whatever. Every race/religion has its shitheads.

WASPs don't have a monopoly on prejudice. Black folks, Jewish folks, hispanics, asians, whatever. Every race/religion has it's shitheads.
Words of wisdom.

You missed the thread where I caught him blatantly plagiarising a text he claimed was his own and how he then turned around and was indignant for me catching him? And how he keeps changing his story though each incarnation - if it ain't a gay son here, it's a Christian gang bang there - and all the inconsistencies? Please. He's no credibility.


I did miss that one, but I'll take your word for it. Maybe I'm a little biased because I do like the guy.

I will say there is no shortage of people in here that are totally full of shit and have been caught in it.

Some are about right now.

now, I have been quite nice to him. surely, I should get a prize for that?


Of course, Smunkee-1st place,as a matter of fact !

I declare you guest of honor at my next group sex party.

Deep Kimchi is known for being a liar. So, you're not a prude.
I so want to snip up that post and sig you saying that I am not a prude. I mean that's like the best endorsement right?

The real Story about Jesus Christ:
http://thetravisty.com/Family_Guy/wmv/Jesus_Christ.htm

Why do u guys care so much about my abreviations for words like "u" is supposed to be "you" does it really bother u guys that much? Honestly does it really matter?

Of course, Smunkee-1st place,as a matter of fact !

I declare you guest of honor at my next group sex party.


Will there be gay sex? Is satan coming, or has Jesus not started on him yet? (boom boom!)

Of course, Smunkee-1st place,as a matter of fact !

I declare you guest of honor at my next group sex party.
:D

Why do u guys care so much about my abreviations for words like "u" is supposed to be "you" does it really bother u guys that much? Honestly does it really matter?

I can't speak for anyone else, but personally it's your narrow-mindedness and bigotry that bothers me. You have a problem with gay people? That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. However, you took it a step further when you came on this thread and insulted everyone because they disagreed with your opinion. That's when it became bigotry.

I'm leaving i dont need to hear you guys bad mouth jesus all day.....its wrong and one day maybe you'll understand that your wrong.

Honestly does it really matter?

Yes.

How you type online is how you communicate. How you communicate is a reflection of your education. When you type "u" and whatnot, you are proving that you cannot be taken seriously.

That is unless you don't want to be taken serious, in which case, keep up the good work. However, don't try to spread the Gospel until you are capable of properly communicating in the media you have chosen.

Will there be gay sex? Is satan coming, or has Jesus not started on him yet? (boom boom!)


I dont think there will be gay sex, no. I dont know about Satan, so far, it'll be me and Smunkee.

Why do u guys care so much about my abreviations for words like "u" is supposed to be "you" does it really bother u guys that much? Honestly does it really matter?


The reason for this is, when you come into a room and start hurling dogmatic religious crap at us all, like some mad cleric, resigning us all to our future in hell - We would really expect someone of such "wisdom" would be able to comminicate this news in actual, REAL language, not text speak bollocks.

I thought "Frig, the angel of death is here, and he's 13!"

prove it.

Isn't that why He blew up Sodom?
Doesn't it say that in the bible that if a man lies down with another man they must be stoned to death (albeit you get stoned to death for most anything)?

I'm not a Christian, but I've always wondered how pro-gay Christians reconcile these things.

"Why do u guys care so much about my abreviations for words like "u" is supposed to be "you" does it really bother u guys that much? Honestly does it really matter?"

Yes, it matters. I agree with you, some of the people on this thread are kinda sick, but your juvenile insults aren't really making me like you much, either.

I dont think there will be gay sex, no. I dont know about Satan, so far, it'll be me and Smunkee.
and where is the rest of the group?

I so want to snip up that post and sig you saying that I am not a prude. I mean that's like the best endorsement right?

Or it could just be a sign I've lowered my standards and expect less from people, no? I'm double-edged like that.

I think I should stop thinking about it, before Kimchi comes to tell me about how as a Christian I can fully embrace group sex.

lol

I'm leaving i dont need to hear you guys bad mouth jesus all day.....its wrong and one day maybe you'll understand that your wrong.

http://blogs.hiveworks.com/msa/content/20050302buddychrist.jpg

Isn't that why He blew up Sodom?

Nope. The sin of Sodom is inhospitality.

Doesn't it say that in the bible that if a man lies down with another man they must be stoned to death (albeit you get stoned to death for most anything)?

I'm not a Christian, but I've always wondered how pro-gay Christians reconcile these things.

Denial, like all religious people. Pure self-delusion.

I had no clue there was gonna be a bunch of gay guys on this thread. I've never posted before this and when it said jesus being gay I decided to check it out. I'm sorry if I have made u mad by bad mouthing gay people. I'll try to keep my opion to myslef as much as I can but bad mouthing jesus got me ticked off.

Isn't that why He blew up Sodom?
Doesn't it say that in the bible that if a man lies down with another man they must be stoned to death (albeit you get stoned to death for most anything)?

I'm not a Christian, but I've always wondered how pro-gay Christians reconcile these things.

Well, he blew up Sodom for sodomy, which dictionary.com holds to be

sod·om·y
n.
Any of various forms of sexual intercourse held to be unnatural or abnormal, especially anal intercourse or bestiality.


I'm not sure about the stoning to death, not being familiar with the relavent text.

Isn't that why He blew up Sodom?
Doesn't it say that in the bible that if a man lies down with another man they must be stoned to death (albeit you get stoned to death for most anything)?

I'm not a Christian, but I've always wondered how pro-gay Christians reconcile these things.

It also says you can sell your daughter into slavery, or stone someone for working on the Sabbath. Obviously, it can't be taken literally in this day and age. One has to adapt one's beliefs to changing times. It's the basic principles and morality that are important.

Isn't that why He blew up Sodom?
Doesn't it say that in the bible that if a man lies down with another man they must be stoned to death (albeit you get stoned to death for most anything)?

I'm not a Christian, but I've always wondered how pro-gay Christians reconcile these things.
I'm not pro-gay, or anti-gay for that matter. There were a lot of depraved things going on in Sodom, I would spend more time studying to figure out "the thing" that pissed God off most, but it seems to me that my time would be better spent trying to be a good Christian, and judging others, preaching hellfire, and "hating gays" doesn't figure into that. (but then I might not be a very good Christian)

Isn't that why He blew up Sodom?
Doesn't it say that in the bible that if a man lies down with another man they must be stoned to death?



Let's not forget folks, that the same book that brings you the emphatic pearl of wisdom about men lying down next to each other, also instructs that menstruating women must bring a dove to her priest at the end of her cycle.


As I don't see the streets crowded with women clutching onto pigeons and doves, I'm assuming that we're not taking that bit seriously...so why are we taking notice of the same passage condemning gay people?

And btw, it doesn't say anywhere that women drinking from the furry cup is a sin....

(but then I might not be a very good Christian)

That's ok ... neither am I.

I had no clue there was gonna be a bunch of gay guys on this thread. I've never posted before this and when it said jesus being gay I decided to check it out. I'm sorry if I have made u mad by bad mouthing gay people. I'll try to keep my opion to myslef as much as I can but bad mouthing jesus got me ticked off.

Thing is, not everyone sees it as badmouthing him. To some of the people on this thread, it's just a curious question. While you may view homosexuality as sinful, try to understand that for the people who are talking about Jesus being gay, their intent was not to insult him, just to joke around about it. You reacted to a perceived insult where there was none.

Well, he blew up Sodom for sodomy

Nope. The sin of Sodom is inhospitality.

That's ok ... neither am I.
yeah, I bet I could find a lot of cohorts around here.

btw whatever happened to Rotovia? I miss him. (okay, that was semi-unrelated)

btw whatever happened to Rotovia? I miss him. (okay, that was semi-unrelated)

Ya know ... I have no idea .... hrmmm ....

and where is the rest of the group?

**psst-there really wont be a group**

Does it matter?

When its all over, Smunkee, you'll swear it was a college football team.

:D

The reason for this is, when you come into a room and start hurling dogmatic religious crap at us all, like some mad cleric, resigning us all to our future in hell - We would really expect someone of such "wisdom" would be able to comminicate this news in actual, REAL language, not text speak bollocks.

I thought "Frig, the angel of death is here, and he's 13!"


First of all your being a bigot.

Second of all im aloud to stand up for christ no matter what age i am.So your saying that just because im young means my opinion dosent matter.

**psst-there really wont be a group**

Does it matter?

When its all over, Smunkee, you'll swear it was a college football team.

:D
ROFL

okay......*backs away slowly*

ROFL

okay......*backs away slowly*

*L* You have to know by now I love a chase...


This is a thread jack-off, huh?

*L* You have to know by now I love a chase...


This is a thread jack-off, huh?
if I remember correctly.........wait, I do........nevermind, not repeating it here, you can TG me.

First of all your being a bigot.

Second of all im aloud to stand up for christ no matter what age i am.So your saying that just because im young means my opinion dosent matter.


In what way am I being bigotted?

I haven't made any mass generalisations about young people, sir, I just feel that a mere mortal such as you or I has any place in telling other people they are hell-bound.

The only person to have made sweeping generalisations about groups of people is....er...YOU!

Your age has nothing to do with it, I don't care if you are 6, 16 or 60. You are talking shite.

First of all your being a bigot.

Second of all im aloud to stand up for christ no matter what age i am.So your saying that just because im young means my opinion dosent matter.
shouldn't you stand up for Him in a more loving manner though?

/opinion

*L* You have to know by now I love a chase...


This is a thread jack-off, huh?
depends...are you typing with both hands? Answer Now!

depends...are you typing with both hands? Answer Now!


*L* There is nothing on the internet that stimulating.

*L* There is nothing on the internet that stimulating.

I beg to differ. Exhibit A, a google image search of Salma Hayek.

if I remember correctly.........wait, I do........nevermind, not repeating it here, you can TG me.

It was a play on words. I'm not sure what you're referring to... Either way-I'm not rubbing little Johnny behind the ear right now.

It was a play on words. I'm not sure what you're referring to... Either way-I'm not rubbing little Johnny behind the ear right now.
nothing remotely to do with what you said. sorry. I remember something about you from like 6 months ago, I think, but decided not to bring it up "in public"

I beg to differ. Exhibit A, a google image search of Salma Hayek.


That could very well do it for you, but I need to taste her too

nothing remotely to do with what you said. sorry. I remember something about you from like 6 months ago, I think, but decided not to bring it up "in public"

No problem. remembering something I said from 6 mos ago has to be some sort of a record. Most of what I produce shouldnt be in public.
TG me-Now I'm interested.

No problem. remembering something I said from 6 mos ago has to be some sort of a record. Most of what I produce shouldnt be in public.
TG me-Now I'm interested.
you have a somewhat confusing and rambling TG.

you have a somewhat confusing and rambling TG.

I will check it out

Alright, I'll start by laying down the obvious. Sure, it's pointless to most, but I've found in my short life that people often lose sight of what matters. Here's the big truth about God, creation, and all other theological debates.

We live on Earth. On Earth, there are many different types of people. Some of these people worship some manner of invisible man or another. Some of these people don't. Neither are necessarily wrong or right. There's no sure way to prove it one way or the other.

There it is. The answer to life...an without a television broadcast...drat.

What I'm basically saying, is Jesus may have been gay. He may not have been. He may or may not even have existed, there is no concrete proof one way or the other. I, personally, do not believe in god, creation, or anything else of that nature. However, I acknowledge that I could be wrong, and I'm prepared to pay the consequences for my lack of faith if I'm wrong. I don't go telling religious people they're stupid or wrong. I respect people's right to worship or blaspheme whatever diety they wish.

As for telling people they're going to some manner of hell or another, that's just rediculous. That's the one case concerning religion, where I will call somebody an idiot. If you're running around telling people who aren't religious that they're going to hell...you're an idiot. Point blank. The essence of faith is to be able to hold strong against doubt, adversity, and temptation, is it not? The fact that you succumb to one person who simply does not believe in a higher power and condemn them is just sickening. Whether you have faith in a god or gods or not, have the willpower to stick to your guns and practice what you claim to believe in. This goes for the unfaithful as well. I've seen far too many compassionate Christians condemn somebody, or an atheist pray in adversity than I care to see.

My point in all this, is mainly that people should believe however they wish and actually do what they say they believe. And above all, respect people's right to believe in or doubt the existence of a higher power.

Ok here are some facts in the Bible for all you non-bible readers

Leviticus 18:22 22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin.

1 Corinthians 6:9 9Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,

10Nor cheats (swindlers and thieves), nor greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers and slanderers, nor extortioners and robbers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God.

11And such some of you were [once]. But you were washed clean (purified by a complete atonement for sin and made free from the guilt of sin), and you were consecrated (set apart, hallowed), and you were justified [pronounced righteous, by trusting] in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the [Holy] Spirit of our God.

1 Timothy 1:8-11 8We know these laws are good when they are used as God intended. 9But they were not made for people who do what is right. They are for people who are disobedient and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who murder their father or mother or other people. 10These laws are for people who are sexually immoral, for homosexuals and slave traders, for liars and oath breakers, and for those who do anything else that contradicts the right teaching 11that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God.

The Apostle Paul, writing by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, declares that homosexuality "shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (I Corinthians 6:9; 10). Now Paul does not single out the homosexual as a special offender. He includes fornicators, idolators, adulterers, thieves, covetous persons, drunkards, revilers and extortioners. And then he adds the comment that some of the Christians at Corinth had been delivered from these very practices: "And such were some of you: But ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the spirit of our God" (I Corinthians 6:11). All of the sins mentioned in this passage are condemned by God, but just as there was hope in Christ for the Corinthians, so is there hope for all of us.

Homosexuality is an illicit lust forbidden by God. He said to His people Israel, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13). In these passages homosexuality is condemned as a prime example of sin, a sexual perversion. The Christian can neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it.

In the Bible sodomy is a synonym for homosexuality. God spoke plainly on the matter when He said, "There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel" (Deuteronomy 23:17). The whore and the sodomite are in the same category. A sodomite was not an inhabitant of Sodom nor a descendant of an inhabitant of Sodom, but a man who had given himself to homosexuality, the perverted and unnatural vice for which Sodom was known. Let us look at the passages in question:

But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house around, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? Bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. (Genesis 19:4-8)

The Hebrew word for "know" in verse 5 is ya�da`, a sexual term. It is used frequently to denote sexual intercourse (Genesis 4:1, 17, 25; Matthew 1:24, 25). The message in the context of Genesis 19 is clear. Lot pled with the men to "do not so wickedly." Homosexuality is wickedness and must be recognized as such else there is no hope for the homosexual who is asking for help to be extricated from his perverted way of life.



Romans 1:24-27; I Timothy 1:10 and Jude 7. If one takes these Scriptures seriously, homosexuality will be recognized as an evil. The Romans passage is unmistakably clear. Paul attributes the moral depravity of men and women to their rejection of "the truth of God" (1:25). They refused "to retain God in their knowledge" (1:28), thereby dethroning God and deifying themselves. The Old Testament had clearly condemned homosexuality but in Paul's day there were those persons who rejected its teaching. Because of their rejection of God's commands He punished their sin by delivering them over to it.

The philosophy of substituting God's Word with one's own reasoning commenced with Satan. He introduced it at the outset of the human race by suggesting to Eve that she ignore God's orders, assuring her that in so doing she would become like God with the power to discern good and evil (Genesis 3:1-5). That was Satan's big lie. Paul said that when any person rejects God's truth, his mind becomes "reprobate," meaning perverted, void of sound judgment. The perverted mind, having rejected God's truth, is not capable of discerning good and evil.

In Romans 1:26-31 twenty-three punishable sins are listed with homosexuality leading the list. Paul wrote, "For this cause God gave them up into vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet" (Romans 1:26, 27). These verses are telling us that homosexuals suffer in their body and personality the inevitable consequences of their wrong doing. Notice that the behaviour of the homosexual is described as a "vile affection" (1:26). The Greek word translated "vile" (atimia) means filthy, dirty, evil, dishonourable. The word "affection" in Greek is pathos, used by the Greeks of either a good or bad desire. Here in the context of Romans it is used in a bad sense. The "vile affection" is a degrading passion, a shameful lust. Both the desire (lusting after) and the act of homosexuality are condemned in the Bible as sin.



In Old Testament times in Israel God dealt severely with homosexuals. He warned His people through Moses, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13). Every Jew knew that homosexuality was an abomination, a disgusting practice to be loathed, hated. This was God's attitude toward that evil practice. He hated it to the extent that He considered it worthy of punishment by death. Now God loved His people Israel dearly, and it was from His great heart of love that He chastened them. The Epistle to the Hebrews says, "For whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth" (Hebrews 12:7). When God issued His law forbidding homosexuality, and the punishment for those persons who violated that law, He did so in order to prevent them from sinning. However, when anyone broke the law, the offender paid the penalty due him. God is a holy God who hates and judges sin. Parents who love their children will not refrain from warning them of prevailing evils, nor will they fail to chasten them when they disobey. The church today not only tolerates sin but in some instances condones it. God does neither.

In the New Testament the principle of discipline was applied with apostolic authority. In the church at Corinth the young man who was committing fornication with his step-mother was excommunicated. Paul instructed the church to take that action "in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ . . . and with the power (i.e. the authority) of our Lord Jesus Christ" (I Corinthians 5:1-8). In Romans 1:21-32 where Paul shows the Gentile world in its downward plunge into sin, including the sin of homosexuality, verse 32 concludes with the words, "who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death . . . " Worthy of death, yes. But today we are not under law but under grace. People used to hear and heed the Gospel-truth, the message that God is holy, man is a sinner, and that through faith in the substitutionary death and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ, sinful people can be born again and thereby delivered from the guilt and penalty and practice of their sins.

Ok here are some facts in the Bible for all you non-bible readers

Leviticus 18:22 22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin.

1 Corinthians 6:9 9Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,

10Nor cheats (swindlers and thieves), nor greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers and slanderers, nor extortioners and robbers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God.

11And such some of you were [once]. But you were washed clean (purified by a complete atonement for sin and made free from the guilt of sin), and you were consecrated (set apart, hallowed), and you were justified [pronounced righteous, by trusting] in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the [Holy] Spirit of our God.

1 Timothy 1:8-11 8We know these laws are good when they are used as God intended. 9But they were not made for people who do what is right. They are for people who are disobedient and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who murder their father or mother or other people. 10These laws are for people who are sexually immoral, for homosexuals and slave traders, for liars and oath breakers, and for those who do anything else that contradicts the right teaching 11that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God.

The Apostle Paul, writing by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, declares that homosexuality "shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (I Corinthians 6:9; 10). Now Paul does not single out the homosexual as a special offender. He includes fornicators, idolators, adulterers, thieves, covetous persons, drunkards, revilers and extortioners. And then he adds the comment that some of the Christians at Corinth had been delivered from these very practices: "And such were some of you: But ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the spirit of our God" (I Corinthians 6:11). All of the sins mentioned in this passage are condemned by God, but just as there was hope in Christ for the Corinthians, so is there hope for all of us.

Homosexuality is an illicit lust forbidden by God. He said to His people Israel, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13). In these passages homosexuality is condemned as a prime example of sin, a sexual perversion. The Christian can neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it.

In the Bible sodomy is a synonym for homosexuality. God spoke plainly on the matter when He said, "There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel" (Deuteronomy 23:17). The whore and the sodomite are in the same category. A sodomite was not an inhabitant of Sodom nor a descendant of an inhabitant of Sodom, but a man who had given himself to homosexuality, the perverted and unnatural vice for which Sodom was known. Let us look at the passages in question:

But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house around, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? Bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. (Genesis 19:4-8)

The Hebrew word for "know" in verse 5 is ya�da`, a sexual term. It is used frequently to denote sexual intercourse (Genesis 4:1, 17, 25; Matthew 1:24, 25). The message in the context of Genesis 19 is clear. Lot pled with the men to "do not so wickedly." Homosexuality is wickedness and must be recognized as such else there is no hope for the homosexual who is asking for help to be extricated from his perverted way of life.



Romans 1:24-27; I Timothy 1:10 and Jude 7. If one takes these Scriptures seriously, homosexuality will be recognized as an evil. The Romans passage is unmistakably clear. Paul attributes the moral depravity of men and women to their rejection of "the truth of God" (1:25). They refused "to retain God in their knowledge" (1:28), thereby dethroning God and deifying themselves. The Old Testament had clearly condemned homosexuality but in Paul's day there were those persons who rejected its teaching. Because of their rejection of God's commands He punished their sin by delivering them over to it.

The philosophy of substituting God's Word with one's own reasoning commenced with Satan. He introduced it at the outset of the human race by suggesting to Eve that she ignore God's orders, assuring her that in so doing she would become like God with the power to discern good and evil (Genesis 3:1-5). That was Satan's big lie. Paul said that when any person rejects God's truth, his mind becomes "reprobate," meaning perverted, void of sound judgment. The perverted mind, having rejected God's truth, is not capable of discerning good and evil.

In Romans 1:26-31 twenty-three punishable sins are listed with homosexuality leading the list. Paul wrote, "For this cause God gave them up into vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet" (Romans 1:26, 27). These verses are telling us that homosexuals suffer in their body and personality the inevitable consequences of their wrong doing. Notice that the behaviour of the homosexual is described as a "vile affection" (1:26). The Greek word translated "vile" (atimia) means filthy, dirty, evil, dishonourable. The word "affection" in Greek is pathos, used by the Greeks of either a good or bad desire. Here in the context of Romans it is used in a bad sense. The "vile affection" is a degrading passion, a shameful lust. Both the desire (lusting after) and the act of homosexuality are condemned in the Bible as sin.



In Old Testament times in Israel God dealt severely with homosexuals. He warned His people through Moses, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13). Every Jew knew that homosexuality was an abomination, a disgusting practice to be loathed, hated. This was God's attitude toward that evil practice. He hated it to the extent that He considered it worthy of punishment by death. Now God loved His people Israel dearly, and it was from His great heart of love that He chastened them. The Epistle to the Hebrews says, "For whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth" (Hebrews 12:7). When God issued His law forbidding homosexuality, and the punishment for those persons who violated that law, He did so in order to prevent them from sinning. However, when anyone broke the law, the offender paid the penalty due him. God is a holy God who hates and judges sin. Parents who love their children will not refrain from warning them of prevailing evils, nor will they fail to chasten them when they disobey. The church today not only tolerates sin but in some instances condones it. God does neither.

In the New Testament the principle of discipline was applied with apostolic authority. In the church at Corinth the young man who was committing fornication with his step-mother was excommunicated. Paul instructed the church to take that action "in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ . . . and with the power (i.e. the authority) of our Lord Jesus Christ" (I Corinthians 5:1-8). In Romans 1:21-32 where Paul shows the Gentile world in its downward plunge into sin, including the sin of homosexuality, verse 32 concludes with the words, "who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death . . . " Worthy of death, yes. But today we are not under law but under grace. People used to hear and heed the Gospel-truth, the message that God is holy, man is a sinner, and that through faith in the substitutionary death and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ, sinful people can be born again and thereby delivered from the guilt and penalty and practice of their sins.

just wondering where you copy+pasted this from, and what translation of the Bible they use, since my Bible doesn't have the word "homosexuality" in it at all, and uses the word imorality which is by far a more general term.

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^ Flame. Why? Atheists are afraid of beleiving in something that may or may not be true. Lucky for us, we don't have that problem.

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^RETARD.

Forgive me if I'm pointing to the wrong post. I'm a Christian, so figure it out yourself.

^ Flame. Why? Atheists are afraid of beleiving in something that may or may not be true. Lucky for us, we don't have that problem.

^
^ RETARD.
who are you talking to/about?:confused:

Messed up. He posted before me. SORRY.

Also, Smunkeeville, I agree. My translation (King James), it uses immoratlity.

just wondering where you copy+pasted this from, and what translation of the Bible they use, since my Bible doesn't have the word "homosexuality" in it at all, and uses the word imorality which is by far a more general term.

A very good way to find out where people copy and paste things from is to take a little excerpt and put it into google. He got it from here:

http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=1302

Messed up. He posted before me. SORRY.

Also, Smunkeeville, I agree. My translation (King James), it uses immoratlity.
it's not nice to call people names anyway.

A very good way to find out where people copy and paste things from is to take a little excerpt and put it into google. He got it from here:

http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=1302
oh, that site. I am familiar with their "work" thanks.

Hayord was talking to me, I think. But hey, doesn't really matter to me. I already stated my thoughts on people without respect of others' religious freedoms.

And now to clear something up. Atheists aren't really afraid to believe one way or the other. Atheists believe they are right in thier lack of faith, and can often be just as over-zealous as the religious sort.

I'm more closely aligned with the agnostics. They believe, in general, that there's no way to prove it for either side of the theological debate.

Ok here are some facts in the Bible for all you non-bible readers

Leviticus 18:22 22 "Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin.

1 Corinthians 6:9 9Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,

10Nor cheats (swindlers and thieves), nor greedy graspers, nor drunkards, nor foulmouthed revilers and slanderers, nor extortioners and robbers will inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God.

11And such some of you were [once]. But you were washed clean (purified by a complete atonement for sin and made free from the guilt of sin), and you were consecrated (set apart, hallowed), and you were justified [pronounced righteous, by trusting] in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the [Holy] Spirit of our God.

1 Timothy 1:8-11 8We know these laws are good when they are used as God intended. 9But they were not made for people who do what is right. They are for people who are disobedient and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who murder their father or mother or other people. 10These laws are for people who are sexually immoral, for homosexuals and slave traders, for liars and oath breakers, and for those who do anything else that contradicts the right teaching 11that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God.

The Apostle Paul, writing by inspiration of the Holy Spirit, declares that homosexuality "shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (I Corinthians 6:9; 10). Now Paul does not single out the homosexual as a special offender. He includes fornicators, idolators, adulterers, thieves, covetous persons, drunkards, revilers and extortioners. And then he adds the comment that some of the Christians at Corinth had been delivered from these very practices: "And such were some of you: But ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the spirit of our God" (I Corinthians 6:11). All of the sins mentioned in this passage are condemned by God, but just as there was hope in Christ for the Corinthians, so is there hope for all of us.

Homosexuality is an illicit lust forbidden by God. He said to His people Israel, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination" (Leviticus 18:22). "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13). In these passages homosexuality is condemned as a prime example of sin, a sexual perversion. The Christian can neither alter God's viewpoint nor depart from it.

In the Bible sodomy is a synonym for homosexuality. God spoke plainly on the matter when He said, "There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel" (Deuteronomy 23:17). The whore and the sodomite are in the same category. A sodomite was not an inhabitant of Sodom nor a descendant of an inhabitant of Sodom, but a man who had given himself to homosexuality, the perverted and unnatural vice for which Sodom was known. Let us look at the passages in question:

But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house around, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? Bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. (Genesis 19:4-8)

The Hebrew word for "know" in verse 5 is ya�da`, a sexual term. It is used frequently to denote sexual intercourse (Genesis 4:1, 17, 25; Matthew 1:24, 25). The message in the context of Genesis 19 is clear. Lot pled with the men to "do not so wickedly." Homosexuality is wickedness and must be recognized as such else there is no hope for the homosexual who is asking for help to be extricated from his perverted way of life.



Romans 1:24-27; I Timothy 1:10 and Jude 7. If one takes these Scriptures seriously, homosexuality will be recognized as an evil. The Romans passage is unmistakably clear. Paul attributes the moral depravity of men and women to their rejection of "the truth of God" (1:25). They refused "to retain God in their knowledge" (1:28), thereby dethroning God and deifying themselves. The Old Testament had clearly condemned homosexuality but in Paul's day there were those persons who rejected its teaching. Because of their rejection of God's commands He punished their sin by delivering them over to it.

The philosophy of substituting God's Word with one's own reasoning commenced with Satan. He introduced it at the outset of the human race by suggesting to Eve that she ignore God's orders, assuring her that in so doing she would become like God with the power to discern good and evil (Genesis 3:1-5). That was Satan's big lie. Paul said that when any person rejects God's truth, his mind becomes "reprobate," meaning perverted, void of sound judgment. The perverted mind, having rejected God's truth, is not capable of discerning good and evil.

In Romans 1:26-31 twenty-three punishable sins are listed with homosexuality leading the list. Paul wrote, "For this cause God gave them up into vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet" (Romans 1:26, 27). These verses are telling us that homosexuals suffer in their body and personality the inevitable consequences of their wrong doing. Notice that the behaviour of the homosexual is described as a "vile affection" (1:26). The Greek word translated "vile" (atimia) means filthy, dirty, evil, dishonourable. The word "affection" in Greek is pathos, used by the Greeks of either a good or bad desire. Here in the context of Romans it is used in a bad sense. The "vile affection" is a degrading passion, a shameful lust. Both the desire (lusting after) and the act of homosexuality are condemned in the Bible as sin.



In Old Testament times in Israel God dealt severely with homosexuals. He warned His people through Moses, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" (Leviticus 20:13). Every Jew knew that homosexuality was an abomination, a disgusting practice to be loathed, hated. This was God's attitude toward that evil practice. He hated it to the extent that He considered it worthy of punishment by death. Now God loved His people Israel dearly, and it was from His great heart of love that He chastened them. The Epistle to the Hebrews says, "For whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth" (Hebrews 12:7). When God issued His law forbidding homosexuality, and the punishment for those persons who violated that law, He did so in order to prevent them from sinning. However, when anyone broke the law, the offender paid the penalty due him. God is a holy God who hates and judges sin. Parents who love their children will not refrain from warning them of prevailing evils, nor will they fail to chasten them when they disobey. The church today not only tolerates sin but in some instances condones it. God does neither.

In the New Testament the principle of discipline was applied with apostolic authority. In the church at Corinth the young man who was committing fornication with his step-mother was excommunicated. Paul instructed the church to take that action "in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ . . . and with the power (i.e. the authority) of our Lord Jesus Christ" (I Corinthians 5:1-8). In Romans 1:21-32 where Paul shows the Gentile world in its downward plunge into sin, including the sin of homosexuality, verse 32 concludes with the words, "who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death . . . " Worthy of death, yes. But today we are not under law but under grace. People used to hear and heed the Gospel-truth, the message that God is holy, man is a sinner, and that through faith in the substitutionary death and bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ, sinful people can be born again and thereby delivered from the guilt and penalty and practice of their sins.

Hmmm. Are you saying you think jc was crucified because he was gay? That's original. I never thought of it that way.

Hayord was talking to me, I think. But hey, doesn't really matter to me. I already stated my thoughts on people without respect of others' religious freedoms.
I think it was an intelligent statement, kinda a "live and let live" vibe to it, I can deal with that.

I also don't like my evangelical brothers who go around saying "oh, you are going to hell sinner!" it's not a very loving attitude, nor is it a good way to try to get someone interested in Christianity (seriously, who wants to be so hateful?)

Don't get me wrong, I personally think that other people are wrong. I'm human, and I'm prone to think I'm the one who's right. It's in our nature. However, I just keep in mind that I could be wrong. And really, it's not my right to tell people which invisible man to worship or which not to.

Don't get me wrong, I personally think that other people are wrong. I'm human, and I'm prone to think I'm the one who's right. It's in our nature. However, I just keep in mind that I could be wrong. And really, it's not my right to tell people which invisible man to worship or which not to.
sure. I think I am right, but I don't see how my trying to force someone to believe what I do (through fear, insults, ect.) gels with God's freewill concept, or Jesus' "love your neighbor", it's much better to respect them, and in turn they will respect you.

Bingo. That's what it means to have a brain...one that functions well.

It's a beautiful thing.

Jesus wasn't gay (probably). But I believe there is a sect of islam that believes that not only did he survive the crusifiction, but was in fact mortal, married, had kids, and died in present day Kashmire. You can visit his tomb, I think.

Of course, I probably read it wrong. But you could look it up at wiki. Its somewhere in the Kashmir page.

There's all sorts of theories about Christ and his possible relatives. Just take the DaVinci Code for a well-known example. Even movies as comical as Dogma state theories like that.

It's not theologically impossible for evangelicals to believe that Jesus was gay. Of course, he couldn't have acted on his impulses or allowed them to consume him. In reality, it would have much mattered theologically if he was gay or not, since he never married.

Some passages seem to suggest that Paul was gay. I consider it unlikely, but you never know.

It's not theologically impossible for evangelicals to believe that Jesus was gay. Of course, he couldn't have acted on his impulses or allowed them to consume him. In reality, it would have much mattered theologically if he was gay or not, since he never married.

Some passages seem to suggest that Paul was gay. I consider it unlikely, but you never know.
He could have just been asexual...the son of a deity and all.

Paul, who knows. I don't think much of him.

Ok here are some facts in the Bible.

There are no "facts" in the Bible with the possible exception of historically proven lineage such as King David having a son named Solomon (Schlomo) who then became king.

Leviticus 18:22 is not a fact by any stretch of the imagination.

There are no "facts" in the Bible with the possible exception of historically proven lineage such as King David having a son named Solomon (Schlomo) who then became king.

Leviticus 18:22 is not a fact by any stretch of the imagination.
Oh, I don't doubt that Leviticus existed, I just seem to think that once you understand why it was made, it very clearly came from no god, but was rather an invention of man.

Why do you think the jews don't eat pork. God had a bad allergic reaction or something?

Oh, I don't doubt that Leviticus existed

Ok ok ok ... Yes, Leviticus the book obviously exists. What it contains, however, cannot be fact. No rational thinking person with a reasonable education would accept a single source on anything.


Why do you think the jews don't eat pork.

Because pigs are super-heroes to us.

u think im mental cuz i dont like gay people i nkow i shouldnt hate them because i am a christian but they creep me out...and whoever said the thing about jesus having gay sex....go jack off somewhere else u sick perve



I think they he infered that you are mental because you have the linguistic skills of a Republican and the brain development of a stunted fetus.

Just a guess. ;)

He would have had to been gay; the bible proves it!

He was borne by a "virgin birth"; therefore, he had an entirely female set of chromosomes; thus, the cock cravings. Even if he were a lesbian, he would have been gay. :)

He would have had to been gay; the bible proves it!

He was borne by a "virgin birth"; therefore, he had an entirely female set of chromosomes; thus, the cock cravings. Even if he were a lesbian, he would have been gay. :)

That's true. With only one set of DNA to work with, he would have basically been Mary with a penis. :)

And if you're a gay man, you're not a man. Don't forget that.

If you're a gay man you have a different Sexual preference than other men. Gay men are just as "manly" as regular straight men. They may act more feminine, but as long they have a XY chromosone set they are a man. Masculinity and feminininity are just restaints that society places on people, if you're not intelligent enough to see that you're an idiot. I've met gay men manlier than "real" men because they arn't afraid to stand up to resistance and criticism.

United Sandwiches, I think you missed the sarcasm in Fass's post...

United Sandwiches, I think you missed the sarcasm in Fass's post...
and also that Fass is a very manly gay man..........

Ok ok ok ... Yes, Leviticus the book obviously exists. What it contains, however, cannot be fact. No rational thinking person with a reasonable education would accept a single source on anything.

Leviticus says some pretty damn crazy things, btw why do christians not like Gays? Leviticus Chapter 19 says to the Hasidic Jews "Man shall not lie with man as man lies with women" Who's the pervert who incorporated sex? and if Christians can select the rules they want to follow whats the basis for religion? Where's the strict rules? I mean hypothetically i could become a Christian and say "Well i don't have to follow that rule." Besides isn't Religion a man made idea therefore open to bias and control?

Besides isn't Religion a man made idea therefore open to bias and control?

That idea is too Jewish. It would never fly with Christians.

United Sandwiches, I think you missed the sarcasm in Fass's post...


Ohh, oops.

That idea is too Jewish. It would never fly with Christians.

*gasp* no pollitical corectness from the christians?? *gasp*

Ohh, oops.

Fass is like a gay swedish Chuck Norris. :)

Fass is like a gay swedish Chuck Norris. :)

0-o

I wonder what would happen if anyone ever found proof that Jesus was gay...

I wonder what would happen if anyone ever found proof that Jesus was gay...

He'd be killed by Vatican assassins. *nod*

I wonder what would happen if anyone ever found proof that Jesus was gay...

I think it'd be great if someone found out Bush was gay. I wonder, if he was outed, if he would suddenly reverse positions on gay marriage? :eek:

teeheehee reverse positions... sorry... :p

I think it'd be great if someone found out Bush was gay. I wonder, if he was outed, if he would suddenly reverse positions on gay marriage? :eek:

teeheehee reverse positions... sorry... :p



xD

I thought he fucked Mary Magdelene. Or was that just his cover story?

I think it'd be great if someone found out Bush was gay. I wonder, if he was outed, if he would suddenly reverse positions on gay marriage? :eek:

teeheehee reverse positions... sorry... :p

I still wouldn't fuck him. :p

maybe hes just bi

I thought he fucked Mary Magdelene. Or was that just his cover story?

Yeah, probably. I have at least one gay friend who had several girlfriends before coming out because he didn't want anyone to know he was gay. Jesus was just afraid to tell his dear mum. :p

I still wouldn't fuck him. :p

me neither!

Yeah, probably. I have at least one gay friend who had several girlfriends before coming out because he didn't want anyone to know he was gay. Jesus was just afraid to tell his dear mum. :p
why would he be afraid to tell her cause shes a virgin?

why would he be afraid to tell her cause shes a virgin?

Yeah, that might make it a little more difficult to come out to your mom. It's difficult to come out anyway. Having a virgin mom just really doesn't help. :p

Ok ok ok ... Yes, Leviticus the book obviously exists. What it contains, however, cannot be fact. No rational thinking person with a reasonable education would accept a single source on anything.

As a historical record of the laws of the jewish people, I think it's relatively accurate.

It is just that though, a record. Anyone attempting to apply the laws to modern times is completely missing the point as to why the laws were put in place in the first place.

Yeah, that might make it a little more difficult to come out to your mom. It's difficult to come out anyway. Having a virgin mom just really doesn't help. :p
well at least she wont have to be scared of him coming on to her

As a historical record of the laws of the jewish people, I think it's relatively accurate.

It is just that though, a record. Anyone attempting to apply the laws to modern times is completely missing the point as to why the laws were put in place in the first place.

I agree.

It also seems pretty stupid to me to pick and choose which rules of the bible you're going to follow and which you're not. You know, those damn gays (we'll just ignore that little saying about giving back to the poor; we all know they're just lazy bums anyway. Jesus didn't really want us to help them. And, you know, that part in the bible where it says you should stone your kid to death if he curses at you? That's so old-fashioned. And that whole thing about not judging people, Jesus must have just been joking about that too. Jesus sure is a funny man!)... As long as the gays are going to hell, nothing else matters, right?

He sure did posess many of the qualities of stereotype gay men. Nothing manly about him, really. Never drunk, never angry...

Thoughts?

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(okay, I'm sorry, I just had this lying around and appreciated the irony.)

I wonder what would happen if anyone ever found proof that Jesus was gay...

No matter how conclusive that proof was, it would be deemed blasphemously treasonously terrorously treasonously falsified

He sure did posess many of the qualities of stereotype gay men. Nothing manly about him, really. Never drunk, never angry...

Thoughts?You've just answered your own question!
Never believe in stereotypes. Most Gay men are first and foremost....MEN!.....(as in emotionaly, physically, mentally...you get the idea?)

you people are sick...dont you have anything better to discuss...i happen to be a christian who doesnt try and force my beliefs on anyone else, my best friend is agnostic...it makes me so mad when people who dont believe in God go on about how christians try and force their religion on them and get mad when we talk about it, but you see nothing wrong with slaming my beliefs publically...tyr being a little bit less of a hypocrite

you people are sick...dont you have anything better to discuss...i happen to be a christian who doesnt try and force my beliefs on anyone else, my best friend is agnostic...it makes me so mad when people who dont believe in God go on about how christians try and force their religion on them and get mad when we talk about it, but you see nothing wrong with slaming my beliefs publically...tyr being a little bit less of a hypocriteGet off your high horse. it's a discussion, if you don't like it then don't join in. Too many Christians do what you say they don't, which is forece their superstiscious views on others and insist their morals be upheld.

Christianity is a religion that is hompophobic. I call that forcing your beliefs upon others. Here in the UK the Church of England voted to support Clause 28 (anti gay bill), in the 80's. A few years ago, the church of scotland fought to keep the law when the scottish parliament voted to repeal it.

No matter how conclusive that proof was, it would be deemed blasphemously treasonously terrorously treasonously falsified

Wow, thats three entirely new words in one sentence :D

You've just answered your own question!
Never believe in stereotypes. Most Gay men are first and foremost....MEN!.....(as in emotionaly, physically, mentally...you get the idea?)

One sorry excuse for an answer then. The truthfulnes of a stereotype depends on the holder. My stereotypes are very true.

Jesus was a bottom.

One sorry excuse for an answer then. The truthfulnes of a stereotype depends on the holder. My stereotypes are very true.I think you mistake truth for subjectivity. Personal opinions are not to be seen as statements of objectivity.

I think you mistake truth for subjectivity. Personal opinions are not to be seen as statements of objectivity.

Your opinion is subjective. So is truth. Be careful not to be prejudiced against personal opinions. They come in all shapes and sizes and everybody has got one.

Your opinion is subjective. So is truth. Be careful not to be prejudiced against personal opinions. They come in all shapes and sizes and everybody has got one.the ones I'm prejudiced against are the ones that promote ignorance.

the ones I'm prejudiced against are the ones that promote ignorance.
How do you categorize them?

How do you categorize them?The opinions that never question themselves but are seen as self evident, are the ones I consider to be ignorant.

The opinions that never question themselves but are seen as self evident, are the ones I consider to be ignorant.
Do you deny the possible existance of a self-evident opinion?

Do you deny the possible existance of a self-evident opinion?To answer that, I'll quote you: "Your opinion is subjective. So is truth. Be careful not to be prejudiced against personal opinions. They come in all shapes and sizes and everybody has got one."

To answer that, I'll quote you: "Your opinion is subjective. So is truth. Be careful not to be prejudiced against personal opinions. They come in all shapes and sizes and everybody has got one."
An excellent answer, in my subjective opinion. I shiver before such masterful display of wordly skill.

Now the subjectivity of opinion, and hence belief, prejudice, stereotypes, and even fact, is established (as if it wasn't before).

Let it be known henceforth, that subjectivity is a constant. The extent thereof, in my opinion, is not.

Shall we move to the evaluation of reasonable doubt?

Come on, now. He wandered around for a few years with twelve men and a prostitute. Now as much as I'm sure Jesus loved a good gang bang, that's just not enough woman to go around. Especially if she was, as in my theory, the thirteenth apostle.

Come on, now. He wandered around for a few years with twelve men and a prostitute. Now as much as I'm sure Jesus loved a good gang bang, that's just not enough woman to go around. Especially if she was, as in my theory, the thirteenth apostle.
swung both ways, what you are saying is?

An excellent answer, in my subjective opinion. I shiver before such masterful display of wordly skill.

Now the subjectivity of opinion, and hence belief, prejudice, stereotypes, and even fact, is established (as if it wasn't before).

Let it be known henceforth, that subjectivity is a constant. The extent thereof, in my opinion, is not.

Shall we move to the evaluation of reasonable doubt?

Subjectivity being a constant is a contradiction in terms: if it's always necessarily true that reality is subjective, and subjectivity is defined by the lack of necessary truth, then you've just created yourself one fine paradox.

I would add that you've also created a dandy non sequitur, because any empirical data you gather and any thought experiments you perform will only lead to skeptical conclusions about the nature of reality; in other words, we don't know for sure that the world is the way we think it is. That's a long, long way from saying what you are saying, which is that we know that we can't know anything about the world. The same evidence that you're using to argue against object realism is also going to beat the snot out of your claims to perspectival knowledge of subjectivity.

He sure did posess many of the qualities of stereotype gay men. Nothing manly about him, really. Never drunk, never angry...

Thoughts?
I don't drink, nor do drugs.
I don't get into fights, I rarely get angry.
I tend to be more in touch with my feelings.
I tend to find myself emmulating girlish behavior.


but I am not Gay.

Subjectivity being a constant is a contradiction in terms: if it's always necessarily true that reality is subjective, and subjectivity is defined by the lack of necessary truth, then you've just created yourself one fine paradox.

I would add that you've also created a dandy non sequitur, because any empirical data you gather and any thought experiments you perform will only lead to skeptical conclusions about the nature of reality; in other words, we don't know for sure that the world is the way we think it is. That's a long, long way from saying what you are saying, which is that we know that we can't know anything about the world. The same evidence that you're using to argue against object realism is also going to beat the snot out of your claims to perspectival knowledge of subjectivity.

A contradiction in terms but not in subjective reality. As for your disagreeing on whether or not we know that we can't know...would it be any different if we didn't know that we knew anything? Not really. What I am saying is what I am saying. What you read, or thought you read may well be something else.

I don't drink, nor do drugs.
I don't get into fights, I rarely get angry.
I tend to be more in touch with my feelings.
I tend to find myself emmulating girlish behavior.


but I am not Gay.
Really? Maybe if you tried, you'd be pleasantly surprised. Unless you're Jesus.

Really? Maybe if you tried, you'd be pleasantly surprised. Unless you're Jesus.
nah, my leanings are definately Hetero.

and no, I make no claims to being the Son of God.

nah, my leanings are definately Hetero.

and no, I make no claims to being the Son of God.
Well, He would be modest....

Well, He would be modest....
please... the word would be Humble.

please... the word would be Humble.
There... gotcha!

There... gotcha!
got me what?

First thoughts.
Gay.

got me what?
Jesusification, of course.

If he did exists (which i doubt) of course he was,,, he always said love thy neighbour, or something gay like that, what happens if your neighbour is a gay. Then shurely he would have had to,,, well you know.

A contradiction in terms but not in subjective reality. As for your disagreeing on whether or not we know that we can't know...would it be any different if we didn't know that we knew anything? Not really. What I am saying is what I am saying. What you read, or thought you read may well be something else.

That is one of the silliest things I've ever heard. If you're willing to accept contradictions in terms into your subjective experience as being true, then you are simply irrational.

Moreover, yes it would be different. In the one case, we don't know if there is an objective reality or what it's like provided it exists. In the other, we can be certain that objective reality does not exist, and my entire thought process is a simple matter of spinning in the void.

That is one of the silliest things I've ever heard. If you're willing to accept contradictions in terms into your subjective experience as being true, then you are simply irrational.

Moreover, yes it would be different. In the one case, we don't know if there is an objective reality or what it's like provided it exists. In the other, we can be certain that objective reality does not exist, and my entire thought process is a simple matter of spinning in the void.

Remember that subjectivity is itself subjective to many things, such as the existance of objective reality, whether or not said reality is rational or not.

Do you still think there is a spoon?

Do you still think there is a spoon?

If you took the red pill and the blue pill at the same time, would you get the purple pill? Or would you just explode?

If you took the red pill and the blue pill at the same time, would you get the purple pill? Or would you just explode?
Depends on what is in the pills and how it mixes. I am not a doctor. Ask Fass.

Jesus was not a gay man he was god thus he had no need of human pleasers he was sinless he died at the cross forgiving the ones who did it to him he was not gay he was god but more then that he is my savior.

Jesus was not a gay man he was god thus he had no need of human pleasers he was sinless he died at the cross forgiving the ones who did it to him he was not gay he was god but more then that he is my savior.
Are you my puppet or someone elses'?