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I was just reading a rather long thread consisting of an argument between two Christians, mostly concerning pride. Anyhow, during the humility contest I noticed the way that several of the participants debated (especially one of them, I'll not mention names, read through the thread and see if you can spot him/her). So my question is, is it a sin to be a rude prick?

Jesus smites a baby every time someone says "fuck"

says it in the bible, right?

Jesus smites a baby every time someone says "fuck"

says it in the bible, right?


Then I'm definately doing my bit for population control.









Ya fuckers.

Jesus smites a baby every time someone says "fuck"

says it in the bible, right?

yeah, fuck from the German fick, if theres anything Aramaic speakers hate its German loan curses.

I was just reading a rather long thread consisting of an argument between two Christians, mostly concerning pride. Anyhow, during the humility contest I noticed the way that several of the participants debated (especially one of them, I'll not mention names, read through the thread and see if you can spot him/her). So my question is, is it a sin to be a rude prick?
Oh, it wasn't me, was it? I think I only said two things in that debate though, so I doubt it...

It depends how you define rude. If it's unnecessary and uncalled for then it's not right. If it's simply a case of refusing to dance around the subject in order to spare someone's feelings, then that's not rude. That's honesty.

I was just reading a rather long thread consisting of an argument between two Christians, mostly concerning pride. Anyhow, during the humility contest I noticed the way that several of the participants debated (especially one of them, I'll not mention names, read through the thread and see if you can spot him/her). So my question is, is it a sin to be a rude prick?
According to the Gospels Jesus went to the Temple and got pissed off at all the moneychangers, and flipped the tables on which the moneychangers were doing business. Quite rude indeed!

I was just reading a rather long thread consisting of an argument between two Christians, mostly concerning pride. Anyhow, during the humility contest I noticed the way that several of the participants debated (especially one of them, I'll not mention names, read through the thread and see if you can spot him/her). So my question is, is it a sin to be a rude prick?

Hmmm... if you read the New Testiment, Jesus wa pretty damned rude at times.

Don't take my word for it. Reverend Timothy Browning Safford, of the Christ Church Philadelphia, says:

Jesus is harsh, if not rude, if not derogatory and, to use contemporary terms, racist.

Thius web site lists a number of examples where he is supposed to have been quite rude: http://asteroid.divnull.com/ (scroll down).

According to the Gospels Jesus went to the Temple and got pissed off at all the moneychangers, and flipped the tables on which the moneychangers were doing business. Quite rude indeed!

Yep. That's a darned good example of what I mean.

Thius web site lists a number of examples where he is supposed to have been quite rude: http://asteroid.divnull.com/ (scroll down).
Where? All I see is a bunch of Bible passages' and the respective chapters and verses (not the passages themselves, of course) and a list of interpretations wiping mud all over the face of Christianity.

Hmmm... if you read the New Testiment, Jesus wa pretty damned rude at times.

Don't take my word for it. Reverend Timothy Browning Safford, of the Christ Church Philadelphia, says:



Thius web site lists a number of examples where he is supposed to have been quite rude: http://asteroid.divnull.com/ (scroll down).
The most famous example being the turning over of the money tables and the screaming at the merchants as mentioned by Trilateral Commission.
There are also other parts where the people of the time considered Jesus and later his followers, to be rude.

Yep. That's a darned good example of what I mean.

Hmmmm, I think it can be easily argued that it is not rude to cast out people who have no right to be in your house.

Hmmmm, I think it can be easily argued that it is not rude to cast out people who have no right to be in your house.
Jesus could've just asked nicely, instead of flip their tables like a rude punk!

There are also other parts where the people of the time considered Jesus and later his followers, to be rude.
When didn't the Pharisies think Jesus was rude?!

http://www.kencollins.com/jesus-16.htm

http://mb-soft.com/believe/txc/pharisee.htm

Let's narrow this down:

rude ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rd)
adj. rud·er, rud·est
1)Relatively undeveloped; primitive: a rude and savage land; a rude agricultural implement.

2)Being in a crude, rough, unfinished condition: a rude thatched hut.
3)Exhibiting a marked lack of skill or precision in work: rude crafts.
4)In a natural, raw state: bales of rude cotton.

5)Lacking the graces and refinement of civilized life; uncouth.
6)Lacking education or knowledge; unlearned.
7)Ill-mannered; discourteous: rude behavior.
8)Vigorous, robust, and sturdy.
9)Abruptly and unpleasantly forceful: received a rude shock.

I don't mean rude to be heretical as the Pharisees saw Jesus. I don't mean dramatic in an appropriate situtaion, ie the temple (I don't care to debate the appropriateness). What I mean is I didn't think the religion that said to turn the other cheek condoned you calling the agressor a shithead after he was done slapping you. Am I wrong, does Christianity have nothing to say about acting like a discourteous ass?

I don't mean rude to be heretical as the Pharisees saw Jesus. I don't mean dramatic in an appropriate situtaion, ie the temple (I don't care to debate the appropriateness). What I mean is I didn't think the religion that said to turn the other cheek condoned you calling the agressor a shithead after he was done slapping you. Am I wrong, does Christianity have nothing to say about acting like a discourteous ass?
Ah, now I think I know which bit you're talking about. Would the words "How about [name] turn his little gutterslut ass around and go back to that rock he crawled out from under" have anything to do with this question?

There are verses that I don't feel like posting right now, that talk about how you should present yourself, most of them aren't Jesus' actual words (or in the red type, for some of you that don't believe any of it is Jesus' actual words) but the drift is that you should be compassionate, honest, and think before you speak, none of those are things a rude person would do.

However there is the sermon on the mount (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+5:3-12) that might give us a little clue as to the type of person Jesus really liked....

There are verses that I don't feel like posting right now, that talk about how you should present yourself, most of them aren't Jesus' actual words (or in the red type, for some of you that don't believe any of it is Jesus' actual words) but the drift is that you should be compassionate, honest, and think before you speak, none of those are things a rude person would do.

However there is the sermon on the mount (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+5:3-12) that might give us a little clue as to the type of person Jesus really liked....

Yeah, I'm guessing one can't be a meek peacemaker and also be a prick.

At least the money changers had JOBS! Jesus didn't really do anything...
"Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they are the sons of God", so he's blessing himself then?

TO answer the thread's title question: Jesus was rude on many occastions. So YES Jesus would be rude. According to the Bible hes God and he can do whatever he wants.

But beyond that great technicality the Bible agrees with the thread authors point which is we mere mortals should be courteous . Paul says "You yourselves are to put off all these: anger , wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth." Colossians 3.8

At least the money changers had JOBS! Jesus didn't really do anything...
"Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they are the sons of God", so he's blessing himself then?


Blessed are the cheese makers?

yeah he can. i heard jesus talking on his cell phone during a movie. it pissed me off...

I was just reading a rather long thread consisting of an argument between two Christians, mostly concerning pride. Anyhow, during the humility contest I noticed the way that several of the participants debated (especially one of them, I'll not mention names, read through the thread and see if you can spot him/her). So my question is, is it a sin to be a rude prick?
Yes, pride is a sin and being a rude prick stems from pride. One of the seven deadly sins. (I really don't know if Christians use those or not...Please don't yell at me)
Honeslty, I think pride is a stupid concept. Along with trying to be 'cool'. Both are a monumental waist of time and energy that I can spend on helping people and being happy with my life.

I was just reading a rather long thread consisting of an argument between two Christians, mostly concerning pride. Anyhow, during the humility contest I noticed the way that several of the participants debated (especially one of them, I'll not mention names, read through the thread and see if you can spot him/her). So my question is, is it a sin to be a rude prick?

It's probably me. If I am right, let me know.

Anyway. Yes. The only person who reserves the right to be rude, execute vengeance, and revenge, and swear at people is God.

However, the account of Christ cleasing the Temple (happened twice) and the harshness of his words at times, and the biting words of God throughout the entire Bible- it would seem He's not afraid to , ahem, 'put people in their place'.

But, as far as us mortals go, we should be kind in general to all. There are a few "exceptions" though. I would state them, but it would be wiser not to.

TO answer the thread's title question: Jesus was rude on many occastions. So YES Jesus would be rude. According to the Bible hes God and he can do whatever he wants.

But beyond that great technicality the Bible agrees with the thread authors point which is we mere mortals should be courteous . Paul says "You yourselves are to put off all these: anger , wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth." Colossians 3.8

Except God and Christ reserve that for themselves. "Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord of Hosts".

We're supposed to be nice to each other. Not that we do, but we are supposed to.

TO answer the thread's title question: Jesus was rude on many occastions. So YES Jesus would be rude. According to the Bible hes God and he can do whatever he wants.

But beyond that great technicality the Bible agrees with the thread authors point which is we mere mortals should be courteous . Paul says "You yourselves are to put off all these: anger , wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth." Colossians 3.8
the bit about filthy language was added in there by you cause its not in the real Colossians 3:8
Actual text according the NASB:
Colossians 3:8 (NASB) But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth.

King James:
But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth

Ah! indeed, a Christian after the Lord's pattern, a graduate of the school of Christ and prepared to teach others, is one who not only outwardly, but inwardly also, is clean--separated, washed by the water of Divine instruction, from the meanness, the filthiness of the flesh. He is no longer the slave of sin, controlled by the desires and weaknesses of his fallen flesh and its spirit of the world, bearing fruits unto unrighteousness--anger, malice, hatred, strife, slander, evil-speaking.

1 Peter 2:1
Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,


cussing is only considered filthy communication if it is used to defame someone.

Blessed are the cheese makers?

Not just the cheese makers. It probably goes for any manufacturer of dairy products.

Not just the cheese makers. It probably goes for any manufacturer of dairy products.

I think Revnia would agree with you on that. He probably wants to start his own religion based off of the foods that the prophet Moohamad gave to us - Chrischeeseanity.

However there is the sermon on the mount (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+5:3-12) that might give us a little clue as to the type of person Jesus really liked....
Whoo! Go Smunkeeville! Whoo! *cheers and waves flags*

I think Revnia would agree with you on that. He probably wants to start his own religion based off of the foods that the prophet Moohamad gave to us - Chrischeeseanity.

Well you have to have the Cheeses of Nazareth to go on the Christ Almeaty sandwich.

Jesus would be cool... but he might seem slightly judgmental/sanctimonious to some.

But he's Jesus, so he'd probably find an attractive way to subliminally insert his message into pleasant conversation.

It depends how you define rude. If it's unnecessary and uncalled for then it's not right. If it's simply a case of refusing to dance around the subject in order to spare someone's feelings, then that's not rude. That's honesty.
If I say to some guy "hey, bastard" every day, does that count? Because he got a C in Health, and that's just lower than low.

If I say to some guy "hey, bastard" every day, does that count? Because he got a C in Health, and that's just lower than low.
No, that would be 'unnecessary and uncalled for.'

Jesus came to my house and kicked my dog.

Jesus came to my house and kicked my dog.

What kind of dog? Big or small? Roundhouse kick?

of course he was rude. Look!

http://www.hellboundcomic.com/Comic/Hellcomic.php?date=2005-01-11

What kind of dog? Big or small? Roundhouse kick?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/Goomg/dog/Picture065.jpg

Total round house.

It truly depends on which position you're taking. To the Jews and uprising Christians would argue that he's without sin, and thus not rude. Or vice versa. But the Romans at the time would argue that he was rude for trying to steal their power and make the plebeians rebellious. Seeing as the vast majority of the world is Christian, it's rather biased.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/Goomg/dog/Picture065.jpg

Total round house.

Nice.:p

the bit about filthy language was added in there by you cause its not in the real Colossians 3:8
Actual text according the NASB:
Colossians 3:8 (NASB) But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech from your mouth.

King James:
But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth

Ah! indeed, a Christian after the Lord's pattern, a graduate of the school of Christ and prepared to teach others, is one who not only outwardly, but inwardly also, is clean--separated, washed by the water of Divine instruction, from the meanness, the filthiness of the flesh. He is no longer the slave of sin, controlled by the desires and weaknesses of his fallen flesh and its spirit of the world, bearing fruits unto unrighteousness--anger, malice, hatred, strife, slander, evil-speaking.

1 Peter 2:1
Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,


cussing is only considered filthy communication if it is used to defame someone.
I'm not sure I totally agree with that now. If it is excessive, perhaps.

The first thing Jesus would do upon his return, would be to smite the shit out of his so called followers for all the evil shit they have done in his name.

"Be ye wise as serpents, but gentle as lambs"

Jesus would be cool... but he might seem slightly judgmental/sanctimonious to some.

But he's Jesus, so he'd probably find an attractive way to subliminally insert his message into pleasant conversation.
Yes, a lot of people at the time did think Jesus was being judgmental/sanctimonious. They thought the same of his followers too, when they went out preached. People who speak the truth that God gives them, have, in my personal experience, always been seen by most people as judgemental or sanctimoniously arrogant.
Remember in the days of Jesus, when he said he was the only way, and the Pharisees got upset with him, accusing him of blasphemy for declaring he was God's son and the path to salvation.
Don't forget that a lot of people thought about his apostles the same way when they went around spreading the gospel. It does not matter what age you are, when you stick your neck out for the gospel, to most people, you will come out as proud, arrogant, and sanctimonious. People don't want to be told that their way is wrong. If you tell them is a right path and wrong path, they will get upset and seek to stone you.
I think a lot of people makes the same mistake that the Council of Nicea and later, the churches (both catholic and protestant) in saying that God does not talk to people today. The problem with that is who were the council and the Pope's and bishops and such to make such a claim. Who are we to say that God does not talk to people? God, if he's God, can talk to whoever he wants. And who are we to decide who God can and can't talk to? Isn't that like trying to confine him to our expectation?
There was an incident in the Bible in which God did his message through an ass who passed it on to its owner after all.

The first thing Jesus would do upon his return, would be to smite the shit out of his so called followers for all the evil shit they have done in his name.

"Be ye wise as serpents, but gentle as lambs"
Actually he would seperate the wheat from the chaff. He will seperate the true christians from the fake christians. The true christians will be ressurected to eternal life, the fake ones will die instantly. After a thousand years, with all the other evil people, they will be ressurrected to eternal damnation.

After I pimp-slapped Jesus, he wouldn't be able to be rude.