NationStates Jolt Archive

:) Not only did we roundly vote against Bush in both of the last elections, but we're now the model for North American energy efficiency.

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With all these incentives and restrictions, California:

Requires its power companies to look at conservation and efficiency measures before anything else when they seek to balance electricity demand and supply. When they must generate more, their top choices have to be solar, wind, hydro or other renewable resources, and they must favour small-scale generation, close to consumers, ahead of major power plants.

Turns on its head the traditional idea that power company profits increase as sales and revenues rise. Now, the companies can raise their rates if their sales drop. That's good for shareholders. Consumers benefit, too: Since they buy less power, their total bill goes down.

Adds a "public goods charge" of about 3 per cent to electricity rates to help the power companies pay for conservation, efficiency, renewable sources and other programs. That includes a wide array of incentives for homeowners and businesses. Spending from that fund totals $2 billion (U.S.). Savings to consumers are estimated at $3 billion. These programs have achieved about half the total reduction in energy demand. The rest is split equally between state-imposed efficiency standards for appliances and equipment — which generally lead the rest of North America — and tough building codes.

The companies are doing even more than the surcharge allows because they see efficiency as a supply alternative, not just an obligation, White says.

Measures the impact of every program. Regulators reward how much energy is saved, not how much money has been spent. "There are no reports in Ontario about what's being saved," says Mike Messenger, a project manager with the energy commission. "We offered to help them with some of the systems we've set up."

Appliance standards are increasingly strict. Refrigerators now use one-quarter as much electricity as those built 30 years ago. Energy-saving compact fluorescent light bulbs will supplant century-old incandescent technology.

Nothing is beyond notice: Standby power on computers, TVs, garage-door openers and other "instant-on" devices each require three to five watts of power. Individually, that's small, but, increasingly, all those small loads add up to a lot. So, starting this year, at a cost of no more than 30 cents each, new models will be limited to no more than half a watt.

High-efficiency traffic lights are being installed everywhere, and street lamps are being redesigned to ensure light isn't wasted shining upward.

Solar water heating, and geothermal units — which carry heat to and from underground pipes — are being installed in many new homes.

Building owners with flat roofs are encouraged to paint them white, to reflect heat.

On top of that, California aims to get one-third of its electricity supply from renewable sources by 2020. It's now at about 12 per cent.

It will also replace one major wind farm and build two others.

By law, 3,000 megawatts of solar panels are to be installed on residential and commercial roofs by 2014. (Canada's total solar production now is one megawatt.) Last year, the first of the program, one-third of the cost was subsidized. The support is to drop a little each year, as the equipment is expected to get cheaper.

Work is underway on "big solar" — giant networks of pipes filled with a liquid that's heated by the sun, then creates steam to run generators.

All this, White says, is a product of necessity and common sense. But California's culture also plays a part. "We're proud of what we are, that we're different. We don't want to wait for Washington to act. The voters expect us to lead in this area, so we're trying."

Cansfield wants Ontario to adopt that kind of attitude, along with some of California's programs. The aim, she says, is for people to realize that it's not just "a nice thing to do. It's something we must do."
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Probably one of the extremely rare "good things" to come out of "the Land of Fruits and Nuts!" :D

Probably one of the extremely rare "good things" to come out of "the Land of Fruits and Nuts!" :D
We also have really ot chicks that wear little bikinis all summer. :D

Sometimes I really miss California.

Very cool. It's great to see that the west coast is again leading the way.

We also have really ot chicks that wear little bikinis all summer. :D
DEFINITELY one of the extremely "good things" to come from "the Land of Fruits and Nuts!" :D

Sometimes I really miss California.
I seriously doubt they miss you though. :D

Very cool. It's great to see that the west coast is again leading the way.
First time for everything, I suppose. :D

Michigan Pride, dogg. *displays gangsta West Michigan sign*

Probably one of the extremely rare "good things" to come out of "the Land of Fruits and Nuts!" :D
Hate to tell you this, since it may burst your bubble about Cali, but practically every pro-environmental measure for the last forty years has originated in California. They've been trend-setters for a long time, and the country is better off for it.

Yay for my home state and all it's delicious fruits and nuts. Tasty and nutritious. :D

Michigan Pride, dogg. *displays gangsta West Michigan sign*

Fo' straight, yo.

Hate to tell you this, since it may burst your bubble about Cali, but practically every pro-environmental measure for the last forty years has originated in California. They've been trend-setters for a long time, and the country is better off for it.
I most heartily applaud California's efforts in environmental repair and preservation. This, however, does not overcome their many weirdnessess, nor the fact that Hollyweird is there as well. :p

Michigan Pride, dogg. *displays gangsta West Michigan sign*
Sheet, nigga take dat wack sheet and jack it up yo ass, bitch. Needs to git some so cal hos up in yo mug, yo. Cause up in here, it's laid out like dat, dogg, Jus' kickin it in ma crib wit ma bitches and a fat spliff jus chillin, yo. :)

Yay for my home state and all it's delicious fruits and nuts. Tasty and nutritious. :D
LOL! When in doubt, fill the role of "straightman," yes? :)

First time for everything, I suppose. :D

Leave it to Eut to drop in and act all petulent :D

Hate to tell you this, since it may burst your bubble about Cali, but practically every pro-environmental measure for the last forty years has originated in California. They've been trend-setters for a long time, and the country is better off for it.


Meh, just like Eut couldnt see why anyone would critisize the US except out of jealousy... I'm sure jealousy is the only possible reason for Euts words as well.

LOL! When in doubt, fill the role of "straightman," yes? :)


"straightman"? Who are you quoting and what does that mean anyway?

Fo' straight, yo.
Word. *does gangsta brotherhood handslap*
Sheet, nigga take dat wack sheet and jack it up yo ass, bitch. Needs to git some so cal hos up in yo mug, yo. Cause up in here, it's laid out like dat, dogg, Jus' kickin it in ma crib wit ma bitches and a fat spliff jus chillin, yo.
Yo, foo', whas dat cho' drivin'? Whas dis "economical" sheet alls abouts, yo?! Where's cho' nineteen seventee-nine Ford pickup, foo'? Yo, wez abouts to wack cho' snowflake *** my nizzle! :D

Leave it to Eut to drop in and act all petulent :D
Yes, I've even considered starting my own store: "We Be Petulance.com!" :D

"straightman"? Who are you quoting and what does that mean anyway?
straight' man"

an entertainer who plays the part of a foil for a comic partner.

I most heartily applaud California's efforts in environmental repair and preservation. This, however, does not overcome their many weirdnessess, nor the fact that Hollyweird is there as well. :p
Well, it does also lead the world of movies!

Meh, just like Eut couldnt see why anyone would critisize the US except out of jealousy... I'm sure jealousy is the only possible reason for Euts words as well.
LOL! Yup! Ah bees jealous o' all dem fruits 'n nuts fo sho, Massa! :p

Well, it does also lead the world of movies!
99 & 44/100 percent of which are sheer dreck. :p

LOL! Yup! Ah bees jealous o' all dem fruits 'n nuts fo sho, Massa! :p

More petulance! We need more! We feed on your petulance, and then make a dessert out of the sweet milk of your tears! Give us our petulance entree!!!!

straight' man"

an entertainer who plays the part of a foil for a comic partner.

never heard of it.

does this entertainer acting like foil, get shaped into a hat as the comic partner makes jokes about conspiracies? :confused:

More petulance! We need more! We feed on your petulance, and then make a dessert out of the sweet milk of your tears! Give us our petulance entree!!!!
ROFLMAO!

The only GOOD thing about California is that it's over 2,000 miles from HERE! :p

( how's that? ) :D

never heard of it.

does this entertainer acting like foil, get shaped into a hat as the comic partner makes jokes about conspiracies? :confused:
Only if the comic partner gets really, really pissed off! :D

99 & 44/100 percent of which are sheer dreck. :p
I didn't say the world of good movies! That would be France. :D

LOL! Yup! Ah bees jealous o' all dem fruits 'n nuts fo sho, Massa! :p


Are you saying that I owned you like a slave?


that's quite an admission but seems a bit racist somehow.

ROFLMAO!

The only GOOD thing about California is that it's over 2,000 miles from HERE! :p

( how's that? ) :D

"And the only shame of it is that we're still in the same country!" You forgot that part. To bad the taxes from Cali, and other more populated states are the only thing keeping NC from dropping into the muck.

I didn't say the world of good movies! That would be France. :D
We've got great movies, too. They just don't get advertised or distributed as much. ;)

Only if the comic partner gets really, really pissed off! :D


ok, then I'm an only child and that mans father is my fathers son. who is that man?

I didn't say the world of good movies! That would be France. :D
Eeep! [ has heart failure ]

Silly French persons. Tsk! :D

"And the only shame of it is that we're still in the same country!" You forgot that part. To bad the taxes from Cali, and other more populated states are the only thing keeping NC from dropping into the muck.
Preach it, brother. CA is the biggest doner state in the country aside from NY, the other great state in the nation. Hell, if it weren't for the two of us the US would be third world. :D

Well, maybe not third world but you get my point.

To bad the taxes from Cali, and other more populated states are the only thing keeping NC from dropping into the muck.
You WISH! :p

We've got great movies, too. They just don't get advertised or distributed as much. ;)


But easy to find at the independent theaters, thank Allah

Preach it, brother. CA is the biggest doner state in the country aside from NY, the other great state in the nation. Hell, if it weren't for the two of us the US would be third world.
Which is why Michigan is so much better, our lack of ego.

ok, then I'm an only child and that mans father is my fathers son. who is that man?
Uh ... your son perchance? :p

Which is why Michigan is so much better, our lack of ego.


OH I thought it was because you were close to Canada

Plus the most beautiful woman I have ever met online lives there.

Which is why Michigan is so much better, our lack of ego.
I like Michigan. I just have a problem with all the donor states that live off the tax dollars of real revenue generating states and then call us names and say they hate us.

Uh ... your son perchance? :p

the world may never know

yes, correct :p

You WISH! :p

Is that all you got?? C'mon old man, you can do better than that. Get your head in the game, you know it's true. Just try and live without that funding, and you'll see.

OH I thought it was because you were close to Canada
So is Alaska, Washington, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine.
Why are they not sweet?
Plus the most beautiful woman I have ever met online lives there.
Thanks to fine Michiganian breeding, you have that.

the world may never know

yes, correct :p
LOL! NOW what have you been up to??? Tsk! Bad, bad boy! :D

Is that all you got?? C'mon old man, you can do better than that. Get your head in the game, you know it's true. Just try and live without that funding, and you'll see.
[ Convinces North Carolina to invade California ... just on general principles! ] Mwahahahaha! :D

So is Alaska, Washington, Idaho, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, New York, Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine.
Why are they not sweet?

Thanks to fine Michiganian breeding, you have that.


They are also sweet.


mmmm I'd like to try out some of that fine Michigan breeding!

I like Michigan. I just have a problem with all the donor states that live off the tax dollars of real revenue generating states and then call us names and say they hate us.
Farm subsidies? Not Michigan. Its the the red states doing that kind of hating man. Education? Michigan is in the top three of the US for education requirements (with CA and NY), but our schools suck. We have Detroit and Hell. Detriot is the Arab capital of the world, outside of the Middle East, and it is also the murder capital. We have the Michigan milita. The most registered sail boats per capita (I think). Not to mention thick forests and hoards of deer foaming at the mouth. Life is great on the sandy beaches of Michigan....

[ Convinces North Carolina to invade California ... just on general principles! ] Mwahahahaha! :D
You'd get your asses kicked.

They are also sweet.
Here I was thinking we were special or something.
mmmm I'd like to try out some of that fine Michigan breeding!
Dripping in Mackinac fudge... (http://secure.networkingdesign.com/mf/skin1/images/poor200.jpg)

LOL! NOW what have you been up to??? Tsk! Bad, bad boy! :D

I blame the testosterone

Here I was thinking we were special or something.

Dripping in Mackinac fudge... (http://secure.networkingdesign.com/mf/skin1/images/poor200.jpg)

Ooooh Mackinac fudge..... Damn, when do those ferries start running?

Dipped in Mackinac fudge and topped with some Traverse City cherries.

Here I was thinking we were special or something.

Dripping in Mackinac fudge... (http://secure.networkingdesign.com/mf/skin1/images/poor200.jpg)

oh you are special, and I don't mean you ride the short bus.

my friend in Michigan dripping in fudge?

http://img166.echo.cx/img166/1986/22xy.jpg

I'll take it!

Dipped in Mackinac fudge and topped with some Traverse City cherries.
First the mental image of bare lady dripping in fudge and then sprinkled in cherries, but wait, it gets better:
The Fudge Dipped Cherry Queen (http://img166.echo.cx/img166/1986/22xy.jpg)
Do you mind sharing? :p

First the mental image of bare lady dripping in fudge and then sprinkled in cherries, but wait, it gets better:

Do you mind sharing? :p


That's asking a lot but seeing as how she is married and I am getting married I don't see why not. I know my woman would be happy to participate :D

I'm sorry, but both Cali and Michigan suck compared to the South. I mean, where else can you go and get good soul food while still having loads of great vacation spots?
And France tops all three.

I'm sorry, but both Cali and Michigan suck compared to the South. I mean, where else can you go and get good soul food while still having loads of great vacation spots?
Ignorant Francophile, Michigan once belonged to France, much unlike the South.
Also:
You've never noticed the huge amount of African-American Baptist soul food cookouts in Michigan, have you? Nor the sandy beaches? Or the lakes? The nature?

I'm sorry, but both Cali and Michigan suck compared to the South. I mean, where else can you go and get good soul food while still having loads of great vacation spots?
And France tops all three.
Souther recipes are geat. The actual food sucks ass. Bring the recipes to the coats where we actually have good ingredients. :) Never eaten Michigan food so I can't comment.

Ignorant Francophile, Michigan once belonged to France, much unlike the South.
Also:
You've never noticed the huge amount of African-American Baptist soul food cookouts in Michigan, have you? Nor the sandy beaches? Or the lakes? The nature?


Not to mention that there is way better food than soul food (japanese, italian, indian, mexican, thai) all of which you can easily find in California - plus California is like a top vacation spot for people all around the world.

Camping? Try the Redwoods or the many beaches and mountains

Lousiana was also owned by the French. If you want French go to Quebec.
Beaches are better than lakesides because you can surf. They also provide for great aquariums. Marshes are also better. You can admire the detritus (very fertile soil) and study the stupidity of people. And we have loads of museums just in Virginia. Seriously, I haven't been to but a third of them.

I'm sorry, but both Cali and Michigan suck compared to the South. I mean, where else can you go and get good soul food while still having loads of great vacation spots?
And France tops all three.
I figure someone else here will correct the above-posted howling error while I go on about my home state.

Washington, my home. Pacific Salmon (not that Atlantic crap), bing and rainier cherries, smaller (tastier) strawberries that are red in the middle, more and better potatoes than Idaho, some of the world's finest wines and microbrews, the incomparable Walla Walla sweet onion, apples of all kinds, nectarines and apricots, plums, asparagus, grapes, raspberries and blackberries, MAN I AM HUNGRY FOR HOME! From Seattle, in two to three hours you can be: skiing in alpine ranges or cross country; riding the nation's largest ferry system to Victoria, BC; the San Juan Islands and other points west and peaceful; in a lush, temperate rainforest (Hoh Rainforest, Olympic National Park); on the ocean on the nation's longest stretch of drivable beach (Long Beach, WA @ 12 miles); in an actual desert; at the world's largest gravity dam, and largest dam by volume (Grand Coulee); on the splendid lake behind it (Lake Roosevelt); in apple orchards or vineyards; endless acres of wheatfields; pastureland and dairy havens....

...all this and I don't really care for coffee or Nirvana.

Awright, now I'm REALLY homesick.

All I can say is each to his own. And me to my sweetened tea and pecan pies.

Lousiana was also owned by the French. If you want French go to Quebec.
Or France...
Beaches are better than lakesides because you can surf.
Meh, I don't surf. People do it anyhow, though. Oh, and they're fresh water.
They also provide for great aquariums.
Like lakes somehow don't? :confused:
Marshes are also better.
Oh, we got those. My hometown is an Indian word for marsh. Also, the mosquitos really show up, thanks to the marshes.
You can admire the detritus (very fertile soil) and study the stupidity of people.
Michigan is mainly blow sand. Thank you, we are not stupid people in Michigan. :)
And we have loads of museums just in Virginia. Seriously, I haven't been to but a third of them.
We have museums, but nobody cares. On top of that, we have snow. Also, some pretty decent sports teams.
Not to mention that there is way better food than soul food (japanese, italian, indian, mexican, thai) all of which you can easily find in California - plus California is like a top vacation spot for people all around the world.
Foreign food? Have you been to Finland? They have that all of that. Way up there in the North. Foreign food does not make a place better. Its the local dishes.
Go to Michigan: avoid tourists. Also, avoid stepping into a pile of Big Foot doodie.
All I can say is each to his own. And me to my sweetened tea and pecan pies.
All I can say is, Michigan owns. :p

You'd get your asses kicked.
Fort Bragg is here, dude. Somehow I don't THINK so! :D

Not to mention Camp Lejune AND Cherry Point! :D

I blame the testosterone
LOL! Typical Californian ... blame everything except one's self! Tsk! :D

All I can say is each to his own. And me to my sweetened tea and pecan pies.
Well then SAY "to each their own" instead of "Cali and Mich suck." If you wonder why Southerners tend to get a bad rap, that kind of generalization is part of it. I would never say "the South sucks." Partly because I hate to generalize, but mostly because I've only ever been to Dallas, Austin, Houston, Galveston, TX; Lafayette and New Iberia, LA; and Nashville, TN. I can't rag on a place I haven't visited. And I LOVE Cajun food. Soul food isn't as high on my list, but you give me a good etoufee, gumbo or jambalaya, and I'll do anything you want.

I'm sorry, but both Cali and Michigan suck compared to the South. I mean, where else can you go and get good soul food while still having loads of great vacation spots?
And great sports teams, and great mountains, and great beaches, and great wimmin, and ... and ... and!

That *other place* you mentioned was deleted because you can't say South and that *other place* in the same post! It's a rule here. :D

Hate to tell you this, since it may burst your bubble about Cali, but practically every pro-environmental measure for the last forty years has originated in California. They've been trend-setters for a long time, and the country is better off for it.
Which, of course, is why they have some of the highest land prices around and worst taxes. Although they do have to be commended, as go-karts were invented there.

Well then SAY "to each their own" instead of "Cali and Mich suck."
Which is why I say, "Michigan owns," because I know it best. I also thinks its important to love and appreciate what you have.

Which is why I say, "Michigan owns," because I know it best. I also thinks its important to love and appreciate what you have.
40,000 square miles of snow and a frakking MOOSE??? Riiiight! ;)

40,000 square miles of snow and a frakking MOOSE??? Riiiight! ;)
Moose? I've never heard of a fakkin' moose in Michigan. Those are mainly in Canada and to the North East of us. We do have white tailed deer and wolves though, the latter which we reintroduced. Yay!

Moose? I've never heard of a fakkin' moose in Michigan. Those are mainly in Canada and to the North East of us. We do have white tailed deer and wolves though, the latter which we reintroduced. Yay!

Nah, he's thinking of Minnesota.

LOL! Typical Californian ... blame everything except one's self! Tsk! :D


Don't you mean typical American? Oh and *pssst* your zipper is down and your red state is hanging out for all to see

Fort Bragg is here, dude. Somehow I don't THINK so! :D

Not to mention Camp Lejune AND Cherry Point! :D
We just have these:

Army

Fort Irwin
Presidio
Fort Hunter Liggett

Navy & Marine Corps

Camp Pendleton
MC Recruit Depot, San Diego
China Lake Naval Weapons Center
Lemoore Naval Air Station
Twentynine Palms
North Island NAS
Naval Post Graduate School
Miramar
Port Hueneme
Naval Base Ventura County (NBVC)
Port Mugu Pacific Missile Test Center
MC Logistics Base, Barstow
MC Quantico

Air Force

Beale AFB
Edwards AFB
Travis AFB
Vandenburg AFB
Los Angeles AFB


Also, we have 35,893,799 people to your 4,198,068 and we are the third largest economy in the world. :D

Also, we have 35,893,799 people to your 4,198,068 and we are the third largest economy in the world.
This, is just lies, Californiacation propganda pushed by groups such as the Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Beach Boys, and Rob Zombie. Just more reasons why California should fall into the Pacific!
*ahem*
Truth. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California)
As of 2005, California has an estimated population of 36,132,147...
As of 2005, California has the sixth largest economy in the world.
Has California had a war with Ohio? Didn't think so.
Why is Michigan sometimes called "The Wolverine State?"
Michigan has long had an unofficial nickname: "The Wolverine State."
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Some people believe that Ohioans gave Michigan the nickname around 1835 during a dispute over the Toledo strip, a piece of land along the border between Ohio and Michigan. Rumors in Ohio at the time described Michiganians as being as vicious and bloodthirsty as wolverines. This dispute became known as the Toldeo War (http://www.sos.state.mi.us/history/museum/explore/museums/hismus/prehist/settling/toledo.html).

:) Not only did we roundly vote against Bush in both of the last elections, but we're now the model for North American energy efficiency.


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Congrats! Glad you are proud of your state and that your REPUBLICAN GOVENOR is fixing up the energy mess. :D

Man, I remember all those news about rolling blackouts during the summer...

Fort Bragg is here, dude. Somehow I don't THINK so! :D

Not to mention Camp Lejune AND Cherry Point! :D

There are nukes here. A large mountain range on our border, and before that a desert. A bajillion Mexicans who want to be Californians. We have a bunch of gangstas just itching for conflict. 5th largest economy in the world. I believe the largest food supply. We also have bears. Bring it on.

California rules.

Probably one of the extremely rare "good things" to come out of "the Land of Fruits and Nuts!" :D
Only took one post. Not suprising.

Yeah, we let our homosexuals roam free and unfettered as they are human beings and citizens like the rest of us. So fruity of us.

We let people be themselves without jaming sticks up thier asses (unless that's there thing), we're so nutty we drove the industry that allows you to spout your Caliphobia to the world, and become the shoulders on which the American economy stands on.

If the people in North Carolina are capable of making a decent movie they better get on it, until then the movies made here will continue to generate over $10 billion a year, along side the video game industries, computer industries...pretty much anything we set our minds to. Maybe because we're not running around calling people 'nuts' or calling our homosexual population 'fruits.'

I can understand, with us leading the way all the time you can get tired of looking at our ass. If you'd just pick up the pace we wouldn't have to listen to you bitch about the smell...

California rules.
It totally does.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/images/california_flag.gif

Congrats! Glad you are proud of your state and that your REPUBLICAN GOVENOR is fixing up the energy mess. :D You mean the energy mess that was completely and totally manufactured by Enron? In anycase, I happen to like Arnold. I'm not against Republicans and neither are Californians. What we're against is the religious right Republicans who wrap themselves in the fiscal responsibility and small government themes and then do exactly the opposite when they get into office. Arnold:

1. Successfully courted japanese companies to build hybrid technology in CA.
2. Signed a bill giving hybrids the right to drive in carpool lanes.
3. Signed legislation called the "Million Solar Roofs" bill that encourages builders to build new homes with solar panels and gives tax breaks to people who put them on their homes and allows you electricity meter to run backwards when you're feeding energy back to the grid from your roof.
4. Signed legislation giving biofuel producers and researchers tax breaks ao they would do buriness from CA. That's why the only pure play ethenol company is actually in CA.
5. I could go on but I'm tired of typing.

Suffice it to say that Republicans in CA are very different than they are from TX. Arnold is pro-choice as are most Republicans in CA, he says that gay marriage is up to the CA courts and opposes legislation banning it as do most Republicans from this state. We've got a few Bush type Republicans from the middle of CA but for the most part they leave your bedroom and your schools and churches to you.

Man, I remember all those news about rolling blackouts during the summer...
Enron. It wasn't systemic, it was Bush's fault and I actually mean it really was his fault.

There are nukes here. A large mountain range on our border, and before that a desert. A bajillion Mexicans who want to be Californians. We have a bunch of gangstas just itching for conflict. 5th largest economy in the world. I believe the largest food supply. We also have bears. Bring it on.

California rules.
Heh! Seems you misunderestimate rednecks! :D

Only took one post.

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Dude. You need to relax. Take a walk, smoke some of whatever you smoke, take a chill pill, or whatever. Get outside and blow the stink off or something. It's all in good fun. I would defend California almost as fiercely as I would NC. :D

It's all righteous, dude. :D

Dude. You need to relax. Take a walk, smoke some of whatever you smoke, take a chill pill, or whatever. Get outside and blow the stink off or something. It's all in good fun. I would defend California almost as fiercely as I would NC. :D

It's all righteous, dude. :D
This reminds me of a funny story. Back when Juliani was still mayor of NY and Riordan was mayor of LA and 9/11 hadn't happened yet and Clinton was still president and all was right with our economy...

I digress. Anyway, back then Juli went on Dave and said to Riordan, "Our city will kick your city's ass." Dick went on Jay and responded, "Rudy needs to mellow out." That just totally defines the difference between our cities. :)

Has California had a war with Ohio? Didn't think so.
Didn't you mean to ask, "Has California lost a war with Ohio?"

:P

Seriously, California's a mixed bag. Sure, you get the nation's most progressive environmental laws and an insane economy; you're also saddled with dreck like three-strikes laws, strict anti-gun legislation, and the death penalty (one area where MI outshines OH).

Didn't you mean to ask, "Has California lost a war with Ohio?"

Did we really lose, though? We got the UP and you got Toledo. I know which one I'd rather want. :p

And if Uncle Sam hadn't stepped in we'd really have given you what for *shakes fist menacingly*

Let's have another war, loser gets Detroit! :D

California was home to Proposition 13 & Ronald Reagan. How different the state is now than it was in the 70s and 80s!


On a side note: Yahoo! I've hit 100 posts!

Didn't you mean to ask, "Has California lost a war with Ohio?"

:P

Seriously, California's a mixed bag. Sure, you get the nation's most progressive environmental laws and an insane economy; you're also saddled with dreck like three-strikes laws, strict anti-gun legislation, and the death penalty (one area where MI outshines OH).
I love three strikes! :D I also have no problem with the death penalty and strict gun laws. Especially three strikes, though! Three strikes rules! :D