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I just watched the news, and saw this report about THOUSANDS OF SEALS BEING SLAUGHTERED IN CANADA, i saw the images. . . I was devastated.

The Canadian community must do something about it, how can you allow this to happen? would those. . ."hunters" kill that whore of a mother that brought them to this world?

We must stop this once and for all. . .

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2105170,00.html

http://www.999today.com/environment/news/story/2942.html

Think about the burgers you eat.
Now thing about the cows that the burgers came from.
Then think about the cow slaughter-houses.

Seals and cows are both animals. They both get killed by humans who ensure that they suffer as little as possible. So unless you are trying to stop the killing of cows at the same time, don't tell people who make a living off this to stop.

What about all the deer people kill?!

WHEN WILL SOMEONE SPEAK FOR THE BLOODY DEER!!!!!! DAMN YOU DEER HATERS TO HELL!!!!!

Not only would I alloow it, in true US capitalist fashion, I'd sell tickets.

Look, life sucks, get a helmet. There are folks out there who's fervent desire to exert the dominion promised to humanity by God over the animals far exceeds their ability to conceive of "atrocity" as a word applying to anyone who doesn't look like them. Will I, personally, eat seal or wear seal fur? No. But then again, I don't need to. The natives of the Arctic probably do, either for sustenance or cultural tradition.

Become a vegan if you don't like animal exploitation. Just don't be one of those who demonstrates, they're beyond silly.

Think about the burgers you eat.
Now thing about the cows that the burgers came from.
Then think about the cow slaughter-houses.

Seals and cows are both animals. They both get killed by humans who ensure that they suffer as little as possible. So unless you are trying to stop the killing of cows at the same time, don't tell people who make a living off this to stop.

I agree with you entirely, however, i've seen how cows are killed, and i've seen how these seals are killed, check the links for god's sake! look how they kill these poor animals, i would give everything to line up these bastard's mothers and kill them the same way.

People kill deer to keep the pop down, otherwise they would not have enough food and would die of starvation. One shot, one kill. Quick and easy.

I agree with you entirely, however, i've seen how cows are killed, and i've seen how these seals are killed, check the links for god's sake! look how they kill these poor animals, i would give everything to line up these bastard's mothers and kill them the same way.

Welcome to Earth! In the word's of the Great Denis Leary:

"This is America! I want a bowl of raw red meat, right now! Forget that! Bring me a live cow over to the table! I'll carve off what I want and RIDE THE REST HOME!"

"Not eating meat is a decision. Eating meat is an instinct!"

I agree with you entirely, however, i've seen how cows are killed, and i've seen how these seals are killed, check the links for god's sake! look how they kill these poor animals, i would give everything to line up these bastard's mothers and kill them the same way.
Have you really seen how cows are killed? Have you ever been to a feedlot and seen the cows standing up to their knees in their own shit? Hell, have you ever driven past one and just had to smell it? It'll put you off beef for a month or two, that's for damn sure. Humane treatment is rare in the slaughter of animals.

Welcome to Earth! In the word's of the Great Denis Leary:

"This is America! I want a bowl of raw red meat, right now! Forget that! Bring me a live cow over to the table! I'll carve off what I want and RIDE THE REST HOME!"

"Not eating meat is a decision. Eating meat is an instinct!"
The better Leary quote here might be the one about animals we eat and relative cuteness:

"OKAY, WHAT ARE YOU?

I'm an otter.

WHADDA YOU DO?

I'm cute and furry and do human things with my hands!

OKAY, YOU'RE FREE TO GO, NEXT! WHAT ARE YOU?

I'm a cow--

ALRIGHT, GET IN THE PROCESSOR, COME ON!

But I'm a--

YOU'RE A JACKET, GET MOVING!"

Leary's point being we only seem to really get upset when attractive animals are killed, and he's got a point. It flows from teh animal kingdom through to human society. Think about it.

The better Leary quote here might be the one about animals we eat and relative cuteness:

"OKAY, WHAT ARE YOU?

I'm an otter.

WHADDA YOU DO?

I'm cute and furry and do human things with my hands!

OKAY, YOU'RE FREE TO GO, NEXT! WHAT ARE YOU?

I'm a cow--

ALRIGHT, GET IN THE PROCESSOR, COME ON!

But I'm a--

YOU'RE A JACKET, GET MOVING!"

Leary's point being we only seem to really get upset when attractive animals are killed, and he's got a point. It flows from teh animal kingdom through to human society. Think about it.

I would have used it, only I couldn't find it.

I would have used it, only I couldn't find it.
Yeah, and I've probably butchered it (pun intended).

Some more Denis:

" 'Don't eat the tuna fish!'

'What?'

'Don't eat the tuna fish!'

'Why not?'

'Because dolphins get caught in the tuna nets'

'Well what about the tuna fish?'

'Oh, fuck them. They taste good!' "

:D

Yes. The more cute animals that die, the better.

I agree with you entirely, however, i've seen how cows are killed, and i've seen how these seals are killed, check the links for god's sake! look how they kill these poor animals, i would give everything to line up these bastard's mothers and kill them the same way.
There's a difference between seals and people kiddo.

WHEN WILL SOMEONE SPEAK FOR THE BLOODY DEER!!!!!! DAMN YOU DEER HATERS TO HELL!!!!!
The deer population has exploded in North America ever since the pale folk showed up.
If I hadn't harvest all of the deer I have, they would be sick or starving. Then die.
My rifle is much more humane than nature and I get tasty meat out it.

The deer population has exploded in North America ever since the pale folk showed up.
If I hadn't harvest all of the deer I have, they would be sick or starving. Then die.
My rifle is much more humane than nature and I get tasty meat out it.
And its the same in the case of the seal. 6 million seals aren't exactly on the Endangered Species list you know.

In that case, Why don't people protest against people who kill fire ants? They're 'animals' too. What's the difference? Next time someone trys to poison an Ant Bed I better see PETA standing over it while the ants bite them.

Not only would I alloow it, in true US capitalist fashion, I'd sell tickets.


And in true Israeli consumerist fashion, I'd buy them!

Probably not, but it doesn't concern me very much. Human beings slaughter animals with regularity; there are more important things to worry about.

Are these seals endangered? How cruelly are they killed? Those are the two factors I need.

:upyours: From what I've read, I think there are some psychos out there!!! If any of those people who accepted killing seals thinks it's just fine and dandy, let them burn in hell. :upyours:

:) As for me, (I am not a vegetarian or anything), but I strongly oppose hunting and the like. If it were up to me, I'd ban hunting and slap down severe penalties for those who mistreat ANY animal. Even a beef cow should be treated well. That's just common decency!:)

In my opinion, it's not important if they are endangered or not.

There are so many sadistic bastards out there who think it's fun to torture and kill animals. Those are the people who become serial* killers!!!

*Is that how you spell that?

:upyours: From what I've read, I think there are some psychos out there!!! If any of those people who accepted killing seals thinks it's just fine and dandy, let them burn in hell. :upyours:

:) As for me, (I am not a vegetarian or anything), but I strongly oppose hunting and the like. If it were up to me, I'd ban hunting and slap down severe penalties for those who mistreat ANY animal. Even a beef cow should be treated well. That's just common decency!:)

Oh, I treat beef cows well. I know just how to cook them right....mmmmmm sexy.

In my opinion, it's not important if they are endangered or not.

There are so many sadistic bastards out there who think it's fun to torture and kill animals. Those are the people who become serial* killers!!!

*Is that how you spell that?

Do you have proof for such a comment?

And its the same in the case of the seal. 6 million seals aren't exactly on the Endangered Species list you know.

In that case, Why don't people protest against people who kill fire ants? They're 'animals' too. What's the difference? Next time someone trys to poison an Ant Bed I better see PETA standing over it while the ants bite them.


:( Then where will YOU draw the line? I MYSELF wouldn't kill ants unless it became a very serious issue. Hell, I save spiders from the tub!
Anyways, how do you think animals get endangered? Think: the buffalo of the great plains.

:( Then where will YOU draw the line? I MYSELF wouldn't kill ants unless it became a very serious issue. Hell, I save spiders from the tub!
Anyways, how do you think animals get endangered? Think: the buffalo of the great plains.

You know what? A cow would eat you if it had a chance, so eat it first!

Do you have proof for such a comment?


Not formally, but it's been proven that an overwhelming percentage of convicted serial killers reported torturing and killing animals as children. I'm not just talking about some gang guy shooting someone, I'm talking about those sick MFers who take a lot of pleasure in hurting their victims.:mad:

You know what? A cow would eat you if it had a chance, so eat it first!


Yes, let's go and eat a lion! It makes perfect sense that I should eat everything that wants to eat me!
But you stop commenting. Your obviously not taking the matter seriously. But hey, it's not really my job to tell you what to do, so stay if you want. I don't really care.

Are the seals endangered? Are more of them being killed today than in the past? Are they being killed faster than they are reproducing, which would lead to endangerment? In what manner are they being killed?

If they are endangered, I'm against it. If they're not, but more are being killed than were in the past or they're being killed faster than they're reproducing, I would have the number killed significantly scaled down. I also think that less painful methods should be used in general.

:( Then where will YOU draw the line? I MYSELF wouldn't kill ants unless it became a very serious issue. Hell, I save spiders from the tub!
Anyways, how do you think animals get endangered? Think: the buffalo of the great plains.
most animals become endangered when their habitats are destroyed for human use.

so when you go and by groceries... think about all those animals that were evicted from their lands.

and when you suggle up in your bed, think of all the animals that starved because your home/apartment/school/workplace was deemed more important than growing their food.

Yes, let's go and eat a lion! It makes perfect sense that I should eat everything that wants to eat me!
But you stop commenting. Your obviously not taking the matter seriously. But hey, it's not really my job to tell you what to do, so stay if you want. I don't really care.

You would eat me? DIE!

most animals become endangered when their habitats are destroyed for human use.

so when you go and by groceries... think about all those animals that were evicted from their lands.

and when you suggle up in your bed, think of all the animals that starved because your home/apartment/school/workplace was deemed more important than growing their food.


Be that as it may, humans are coming up with more and more ways to kill animals in their habitats. For example, the wolves in Minnesota and the Dakotas, Wisconsin and surrounding regions.

:upyours: From what I've read, I think there are some psychos out there!!! If any of those people who accepted killing seals thinks it's just fine and dandy, let them burn in hell. :upyours:

:) As for me, (I am not a vegetarian or anything), but I strongly oppose hunting and the like. If it were up to me, I'd ban hunting and slap down severe penalties for those who mistreat ANY animal. Even a beef cow should be treated well. That's just common decency!:)and what of the pain you inflict on plants? pulling them up and starving them as you store them in temperatures far lower then they can survive. then disecting them and cooking them (while most are still alive)

at least when animals are slaughtered, it's done in a way to be as painless and as quick as possible. do you give such consideration to plants?

Be that as it may, humans are coming up with more and more ways to kill animals in their habitats. For example, the wolves in Minnesota and the Dakotas, Wisconsin and surrounding regions.
and animals, if left unchecked become a hazard to not only humans but other species.

by changing the environment, we (Humans) upset the ecosystem. thus animals that once kept other creatures in check now run rampant and cause mass extintions or are obliterated and those that were kept in check run rampant.

I believe the seal population reached the point where it started to endanger the ecosystem, thus the slaughter. when the numbers are reduced far enough, then you'll see the clubbing stopped.

also with the wolves example. many packs are finding the easy source of food. cattle. and with that, they are also loosing their fear of man. sorry, but as much as I love wolves, I would rather see them run from me than look at me as a food source.

and what of the pain you inflict on plants? pulling them up and starving them as you store them in temperatures far lower then they can survive. then disecting them and cooking them (while most are still alive)

at least when animals are slaughtered, it's done in a way to be as painless and as quick as possible. do you give such consideration to plants?


The fact that I DO is a bit creepy, but I can't help but feel bad for plants... I don't even like walking on grass or weeding my garden.
If you think it's bad to process live plants, go to Japan. They cook and serve live fish!:upyours: to them!

and what of the pain you inflict on plants? pulling them up and starving them as you store them in temperatures far lower then they can survive. then disecting them and cooking them (while most are still alive)

at least when animals are slaughtered, it's done in a way to be as painless and as quick as possible. do you give such consideration to plants?

Oh give me a break. Are you seriously comparing animals with plants? :rolleyes:

Plants don't feel pain. Animals do. Its that simple.

Man I better take the carrots out of the pot because they are screaming!

Oh give me a break. Are you seriously comparing animals with plants? :rolleyes:

Plants don't feel pain. Animals do. Its that simple.

Man I better take the carrots out of the pot because they are screaming!
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=plants+feel+pain

and animals, if left unchecked become a hazard to not only humans but other species.

by changing the environment, we (Humans) upset the ecosystem. thus animals that once kept other creatures in check now run rampant and cause mass extintions or are obliterated and those that were kept in check run rampant.

I believe the seal population reached the point where it started to endanger the ecosystem, thus the slaughter. when the numbers are reduced far enough, then you'll see the clubbing stopped.


But we are not Gods, we can't decide which species to kill. Even if we caused these issues, we are not smart enough as humans to try to balance ecosystems. (Despite what arrogant scientists have to say...)

The Earth keeps herself in balance, you know. We'll kill ourselves before we kill our planet.

The Earth keeps herself in balance, you know.No it doesn't.

The fact that I DO is a bit creepy, but I can't help but feel bad for plants... I don't even like walking on grass or weeding my garden.
If you think it's bad to process live plants, go to Japan. They cook and serve live fish!:upyours: to them!
not just japan, lobsters are boiled alive. also most shrimp, and other crustasans.

and no, fish are not cooked alive. flash fried maybe, but most are served raw.

now, why should animals deserve pity and not plants that provide more than just food and clothes... they also provide medicine, oxygen, beauty, they help regulate the tempurature, prevent erosion... more than animals would ever do. yet you would eat only plants (that take longer to grow than animals btw.) and spare the animals?

If the Earth kept 'her'self in balance, humans wouldn't be such a problem.

The hypocrisy of this thread is so incredibly immense, that I can barely breathe.

Oh give me a break. Are you seriously comparing animals with plants? :rolleyes:

Plants don't feel pain. Animals do. Its that simple.

Man I better take the carrots out of the pot because they are screaming!


Oh, and animals ARE so much higher than plants. NO!!! All life is equal, and we should NEVER put one specie above another. We (as humans) are very biased and think that we are the highest beings, animals the next highest and so forth.

not just japan, lobsters are boiled alive. also most shrimp, and other crustasans.

and no, fish are not cooked alive. flash fried maybe, but most are served raw.

now, why should animals deserve pity and not plants that provide more than just food and clothes... they also provide medicine, oxygen, beauty, they help regulate the tempurature, prevent erosion... more than animals would ever do. yet you would eat only plants (that take longer to grow than animals btw.) and spare the animals?


Reread my reply. BTW, I do eat animals.

But we are not Gods, we can't decide which species to kill. Even if we caused these issues, we are not smart enough as humans to try to balance ecosystems. (Despite what arrogant scientists have to say...)

The Earth keeps herself in balance, you know. We'll kill ourselves before we kill our planet.
yes we do have the right. why?

because we are at the top of the food chain.

and yes, I agree, Earth does keep herself in balance... even with us running around. how does it do this? by adapatability. alot of species become extinct without our help. and many more will disappear before being discovered.

Those "Save the ____" people are doing as much damage as those running around mindlessly slaughtering critters.

Reread my reply. BTW, I do eat animals.
oops, sorry, misread your earlier post. Apologies offered.

however, the argument can be towards any vegans who choose to be vegans for reasons other than health related. :p

If the Earth kept 'her'self in balance, humans wouldn't be such a problem.

The hypocrisy of this thread is so incredibly immense, that I can barely breathe.


If what you see is hypocrisy, then you are blind. In proportion to the time the Earth has lived, humans are merely a second in a year! People think we're capable of destroying our planet, but I know otherwise. Time will take care of us, if not a higher power, and the Earth will live on.

If the Earth kept 'her'self in balance, humans wouldn't be such a problem.

The hypocrisy of this thread is so incredibly immense, that I can barely breathe.
George Carlin once stated...

maybe that's why man evolved... because Earth wanted plastic. and now that it has plastic... Man can be slowly phased out... but how to do so...

maybe a virus... they're always changing and adapting.

a virus that attacks the immune system... makes em weak against other illnesses...

and have it spread through sexual contact... make them afraid to reproduce...

:D

If what you see is hypocrisy, then you are blind. In proportion to the time the Earth has lived, humans are merely a second in a year! People think we're capable of destroying our planet, but I know otherwise. Time will take care of us, if not a higher power, and the Earth will live on.
This I agree with you...


"Save the Planet" the planet doesn't need saving... The Earth will continue on... even after a neuclear war, life will remain in one form or another.

Mankind on the other hand, needs all the help they can get!

yes we do have the right. why?

because we are at the top of the food chain.

and yes, I agree, Earth does keep herself in balance... even with us running around. how does it do this? by adapatability. alot of species become extinct without our help. and many more will disappear before being discovered.

Those "Save the ____" people are doing as much damage as those running around mindlessly slaughtering critters.


I meant that we can't decide in terms of killing to "control numbers". We can eat whatever we want, as we are the top of the foodchain. (However, I think we should know better than to abuse the animals we eat... i.e. asshole farmers who mistreat their livestock.)

If what you see is hypocrisy, then you are blind. In proportion to the time the Earth has lived, humans are merely a second in a year! People think we're capable of destroying our planet, but I know otherwise. Time will take care of us, if not a higher power, and the Earth will live on.

No, I'm pretty sure I see hypocrisy.

"No! Don't kill the seals! Kill the cows though. And so long as you kill them humanely then it's perfectly moral! But don't kill humans at all! Naughty! Fur coats are bad! Leather shoes, what's wrong with those? All living creatures are equal, but I'm better than animals!"



Oh, and yes, humans are a problem, by our own definition -- if another species on Earth started breeding and acting the way we do, we'd put them down for 'population control'. China seems to be the only non-hypocritical country in that regard, actually...

And if you think STDs are going to wipe out the human race, you need an imagination.

I meant that we can't decide in terms of killing to "control numbers". We can eat whatever we want, as we are the top of the foodchain. (However, I think we should know better than to abuse the animals we eat... i.e. asshole farmers who mistreat their livestock.)
and large numbers of seals threaten the fishing communities near by. communities that depend on fisheries to survivie...

Large packs of wolves threaten livestock that could be sent to starving people anywhere...

large herds of deer can also treaten produce...

And if you think STDs are going to wipe out the human race, you need an imagination. really? I thought it took imagination to see such a scenario... ;) :D


Btw... George Carlin wasn't just talking about STD's... but AIDS. Read it again... carefully.

No, I'm pretty sure I see hypocrisy.

"No! Don't kill the seals! Kill the cows though. And so long as you kill them humanely then it's perfectly moral! But don't kill humans at all! Naughty! Fur coats are bad! Leather shoes, what's wrong with those? All living creatures are equal, but I'm better than animals!"



Oh, and yes, humans are a problem, by our own definition -- if another species on Earth started breeding and acting the way we do, we'd put them down for 'population control'. China seems to be the only non-hypocritical country in that regard, actually...

And if you think STDs are going to wipe out the human race, you need an imagination.

You clearly don't understand what I'm saying. And don't put words in my mouth. I never gave an opinion on fur clothes or leather shoes, so don't make assumptions.

No, we would not "put down" a specie like us. We would study them! Apes, dolphins... we are fascinated by these intelligent creatures. Why would you even think so pesimistically?

Finally, George Carlin made that comment about STD's, not me, not anyone here. It was a quote. Take him up on that one.

and large numbers of seals threaten the fishing communities near by. communities that depend on fisheries to survivie...

Large packs of wolves threaten livestock that could be sent to starving people anywhere...

large herds of deer can also treaten produce...

True, but I am more of an animal person than a humanitarian, so frankly, I don't care much for those industries. No offense. (:) )

True, but I am more of an animal person than a humanitarian, so frankly, I don't care much for those industries. No offense. (:) )
None taken... but be warned. without those industries and the size they are now, you will be spending alot more for food, or forced to grow your own. and you can't even begin to imagine the size of the garden you'll need for that. ;)

You clearly don't understand what I'm saying. And don't put words in my mouth. I never gave an opinion on fur clothes or leather shoes, so don't make assumptions.

No, we would not "put down" a specie like us. We would study them! Apes, dolphins... we are fascinated by these intelligent creatures. Why would you even think so pesimistically?

Finally, George Carlin made that comment about STD's, not me, not anyone here. It was a quote. Take him up on that one.

I wasn't talking about you (entirely), I was referring to the thread in general, as I have already said. You took it upon yourself to think I was talking to you.

I wasn't talking about you (entirely), I was referring to the thread in general, as I have already said. You took it upon yourself to think I was talking to you.


Seemed like it. I'm going to sleep now, so bye bye!

Think about the burgers you eat.
Now thing about the cows that the burgers came from.
Then think about the cow slaughter-houses.

Seals and cows are both animals. They both get killed by humans who ensure that they suffer as little as possible. So unless you are trying to stop the killing of cows at the same time, don't tell people who make a living off this to stop.Thank you for putting the proper perspective out there right away before this person becomes a PETA clone. Oh too late.. Perhaps if you're a vegetarian who doesn't wear leather or use any animal products whatsoever,'' harder than you think'','you really can't complain too much.I work in the Meat Industry and the reaction i get from people who find blood or a portion of a feather in their meat, only serves to illustrate how far removed most people are from the process of turning Bessie and Babe into burgers and chops.We've always killed animals for food and we always will.GET OVER IT. Besides sealskin is.. really soft.

Looks like our Canadian friend here who happens to like seal meat should take the pain of opening his own seal breeding farm and then go kill them. Wild seals should be left as they are. No Canadian has their right on them, just like birds, these creatures should be freely allowed to move and live where they want. Why dont you go elsewhere and kill some chickens instead thats causing this bird flu?

cant quite remember the comedian who said this but "everyone gets so hung up on animal rights, isn't it about time we remembered animal duty? Animals have a duty to be on my plate and taste good!"

seriously, this stuff is wierd, treating animals like little furry people, how can anyone really manage to empathise with even something so cold and unlovely as a fish to the point where they give the slightest shit if it suffers? its a FISH and i'm hungry so, i'm going to EAT IT!

By far the oddest are the people who happily buy their frozen beefburgers etc, at the store but say things like "oh i could never kill an animal!" Stop eating/wearing them then!
Possibly requiring people to throttle, gut, skin, cook and eat something cute and fluffy once in your life before you are allowed to buy meat from styrofoam trays at the supermarket would be a good idea, a carnivore test like a driving test if you will. At least it would help to dispel the odd urbanite dissasociation between animals in fields and meat on a plate.

Looks like our Canadian friend here who happens to like seal meat should take the pain of opening his own seal breeding farm and then go kill them. Wild seals should be left as they are. No Canadian has their right on them, just like birds, these creatures should be freely allowed to move and live where they want. Why dont you go elsewhere and kill some chickens instead thats causing this bird flu?

so uncounted millennia of human culture are irrelevant and should be discarded? Humans have always hunted wild animals for food, clothing, and even simple pleasure. Why do you feel that this has mystically become morally indefensible in the last couple of centuries?

oh, and by the way, wild ones taste better.

I don't understand why it's somehow unacceptable for humans to hunt animals but it is for animals to hunt other animals. When animals start killing humans, we do something about it. Why does no one protect the animals from their vicious brethren? :rolleyes:

Man I better take the carrots out of the pot because they are screaming!SCREAMING!?!?!? You are doomed! The homicidal screaming carrots (http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Homicidal_screaming_carrots) will get you! DOOMED!1!!

http://www.satanshirts.com/satan/pimages/big263.gif

<----- THis is me NOT caring. Honestly? You know why? Because the people screaming bloody murder here are those stinkin' 'Animal Rights' Activists, PETA, and a bunch of washed up celebrities. Those with expertise in the field, ie: the scientists haven't said anything. Why? Because the seal population isn't exactly endangered at 6+ million... :rolleyes:

Go on! Lampoon me! I'm Canadian and I'm not opposed to this because the scientists haven't said we should stop it.

This is a perfectly legal thing in Canada, right? It also happens to be seal clubbin' season, right?

Well, we have no business telling them how to run their country.

Club away, kanucks! Enjoy. Hit 'em once for me.

This is a perfectly legal thing in Canada, right? It also happens to be seal clubbin' season, right?

Well, we have no business telling them how to run their country.

Club away, kanucks! Enjoy. Hit 'em once for me.Gotta admit... those canuks can sure take clubbing to a whole new level. :D

Normally, I'd go on a long rant about how unacceptable and cruel this is, but as my biology coursewrok involves indiscriminant killing, I feel it would be a tad hypocritical.

(OK, I'm only killing insects, but still)

I just watched the news, and saw this report about THOUSANDS OF SEALS BEING SLAUGHTERED IN CANADA, i saw the images. . . I was devastated.

The Canadian community must do something about it, how can you allow this to happen? would those. . ."hunters" kill that whore of a mother that brought them to this world?

We must stop this once and for all. . .

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2105170,00.html

http://www.999today.com/environment/news/story/2942.html

Where is the Animal Liberation Front when you need them :D

Normally, I'd go on a long rant about how unacceptable and cruel this is, but as my biology coursewrok involves indiscriminant killing, I feel it would be a tad hypocritical.

(OK, I'm only killing insects, but still)
genetic study with fruit flies?

did you do the frog disection yet?

Where is the Animal Liberation Front when you need them :D
they're at KFC! :D

they're at KFC! :D

Damn them for eating those poor helpless chickens. I thought they were supposed to protect them?

So a seal waddles into a bar. Bartender asks him "What will you have?" Seal responds "Anything but a Canadian Club."

So a seal waddles into a bar. Bartender asks him "What will you have?" Seal responds "Anything but a Canadian Club."

Now this is Priceless :D

So a seal waddles into a bar. Bartender asks him "What will you have?" Seal responds "Anything but a Canadian Club."


*laughing ass off*

Anyway, culling does seem biologically speaking necessary.
The method used may not be the prettiest, but if it had been, certain folks would still be screaming their silly mouths off.

Meanwhile, the only good New Ager is a dead New Ager, so it is too frimpin' bad we can't transform PETA into a collective of babyseals.

genetic study with fruit flies?

did you do the frog disection yet?
Nah. I'm testing the effect of Potassium Nitrate on the heart rate of Daphnia.

Not dissected a frog, we just done stuff like sheep heart, eyes and lungs.

I think we did a kidney as well, but I cant remeber...

I love going out clubbing at night.

Hopefully Paul McCartney will get stuck on an ice floe and wind up lost on Baffin island. The seals get hunted because otherwise, they destroy the fish populations, which consequently ruins the lives of thousands and thousands of people who make their livings in the fishing industry. Hippies and PETAs and the like get uppity as soon as the animal in question is discovered to have big, stupid sad eyes and white fur. They should be twice as ashamed as the seal hunters, since the hunters HAVE a good reason, as opposed to the protesters who are trying to dig one up from a pile of misdirected sympathy.

Hopefully Paul McCartney will get stuck on an ice floe and wind up lost on Baffin island. The seals get hunted because otherwise, they destroy the fish populations, which consequently ruins the lives of thousands and thousands of people who make their livings in the fishing industry. Hippies and PETAs and the like get uppity as soon as the animal in question is discovered to have big, stupid sad eyes and white fur. They should be twice as ashamed as the seal hunters, since the hunters HAVE a good reason, as opposed to the protesters who are trying to dig one up from a pile of misdirected sympathy.

And what about all the over fishing that goes on in canada?

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And what about all the over fishing that goes on in canada?

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File that one under Native Revenge or Foreign Intrusion. Most Canadians who fish are respectful of the catch limits, But we're still struggling with native bands who just net up whole rivers and foreign fishing boats who raid our water.

Of course, if everyone who cares about seals so much would be willing to BUY the seals at say, 100$ apiece, we might be able to accomodate the unreasonable wishes of the environ-mentally challenged.

File that one under Native Revenge or Foreign Intrusion. Most Canadians who fish are respectful of the catch limits, But we're still struggling with native bands who just net up whole rivers and foreign fishing boats who raid our water.

Of course, if everyone who cares about seals so much would be willing to BUY the seals at say, 100$ apiece, we might be able to accomodate the unreasonable wishes of the environ-mentally challenged.

If the natives are the one's doing the overfishing (something I'm actually doubting) then why was there a moratorium on fishing back in the 1990s?

Seals are to cute to die. Cows are reared for human consumption, seals are not. When will we create the cornucopic vats?

If the natives are the one's doing the overfishing (something I'm actually doubting) then why was there a moratorium on fishing back in the 1990s?

Because our govenrment is out of touch and afraid of offending certain groups. Also, if they're on a reserve they can get away with a helluvalot. As for doubting the overfishing, well, I've seen it. I didn't see anyone in that river playing volleyball over that net.

If the Earth kept 'her'self in balance, humans wouldn't be such a problem.

The hypocrisy of this thread is so incredibly immense, that I can barely breathe.
Look, Commander Krais, hypocrisy is the birthright of the United States.

aww... seals are so cute when they're dying...

Because our govenrment is out of touch and afraid of offending certain groups. Also, if they're on a reserve they can get away with a helluvalot. As for doubting the overfishing, well, I've seen it. I didn't see anyone in that river playing volleyball over that net.

So explain to me why that Canadians can't fish but the natives can? I know when the fishing moratorium occured, many people lost jobs.

Killing animals isn't wrong. Look on humans as mammols. Survival of the fittest.

So explain to me why that Canadians can't fish but the natives can? I know when the fishing moratorium occured, many people lost jobs.

They weren't supposed to. We let the natives get away with quite a bit because there's always outcries of "don't destroy their heritage!" otherwise, and because reservations are subject to their own leadership. Nowadays a lot of their heritage seems to involve smuggling cigarettes and huffing gas fumes.

Eh. What's a baby seal ever done for me, anyway?

They weren't supposed to. We let the natives get away with quite a bit because there's always outcries of "don't destroy their heritage!" otherwise, and because reservations are subject to their own leadership. Nowadays a lot of their heritage seems to involve smuggling cigarettes and huffing gas fumes.

So in other words, canada forgot about the financial ramificiations of their handy work. Like lost jobs. I wonder how the Liberals stayed in power for as long as they did.

So in other words, canada forgot about the financial ramificiations of their handy work. Like lost jobs. I wonder how the Liberals stayed in power for as long as they did.

Lesser evils, I'd imagine. I'm fairly certain that there was some relief for the fishing communities too, but they needed to let the fish restock themselves too. Also, it's fishing, so it's not like Ontario was affected. Out here in the Maritimes we rely on this sort of thing, and unlike BC we haven't got Vancouver or the Rockies to shore up what can be lost elsewhere.

Also, the liberals gel better out here because of the financially conservative, socially liberal thing, not to mention that we're terrified of an Alberta-based party governing us (or rather, forgettting we exist).

Lesser evils, I'd imagine. I'm fairly certain that there was some relief for the fishing communities too, but they needed to let the fish restock themselves too. Also, it's fishing, so it's not like Ontario was affected. Out here in the Maritimes we rely on this sort of thing, and unlike BC we haven't got Vancouver or the Rockies to shore up what can be lost elsewhere.

Also, the liberals gel better out here because of the financially conservative, socially liberal thing, not to mention that we're terrified of an Alberta-based party governing us (or rather, forgettting we exist).

As opposed to Ontario forgetting that Alberta exists.

As opposed to Ontario forgetting that Alberta exists.

The difference is Alberta doesn't even need help, and they don't seem to eager to take a great deal of the help that gets offered anyway.

The difference is Alberta doesn't even need help, and they don't seem to eager to take a great deal of the help that gets offered anyway.

No there is no difference. The Capitol is in Ottawa. It don't matter if you have a Prime Minister from Western Canada or not. They are just as Canadian as you are. To say anything else speaks of Prejudice.

No there is no difference. The Capitol is in Ottawa. It don't matter if you have a Prime Minister from Western Canada or not. They are just as Canadian as you are. To say anything else speaks of Prejudice.

Well, to be fair, most of the Albertans I know think they're MORE Canadian than we are out east.

I just watched the news, and saw this report about THOUSANDS OF SEALS BEING SLAUGHTERED IN CANADA, i saw the images. . . I was devastated.

The Canadian community must do something about it, how can you allow this to happen? would those. . ."hunters" kill that whore of a mother that brought them to this world?

We must stop this once and for all. . .

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-2105170,00.html

http://www.999today.com/environment/news/story/2942.html

You obviously have no idea on environmental control and ecology, do you? Or conservation. Or population control. Or reasons there of.

First, the seal population is exploding. The population is somewhere in the 4-6 million range in Canada alone, if I remember my numbers correctly. This may not sound like a great deal, but for large mammals that live fairly close together in that relative amount of space, this is huge. The seals must be killed to keep the population down. If this hunting is banned, the population will swarm to uncontrollable sizes, starvation and sickness will set in, and the entire population will be jeopardy. As in, all of them may very well die a horrible painful death, and by that time we will not be able to do anything to stop it.

Some object to the pups dying. Well, as anybody who knows anything about conservation will tell you, killing pups is better for the population than killing adults. Kill the adult, you may very well leave the pups stranded, which will then die. Also, by keeping adults, you maintain a suitable breeding population. Kill the males adults, which there are always fewer of, and not enough genetic material will be passed to ensure the survival of the seals. Kill the adult females, there is nothing for the males to breed with. Killing puSops means that not only do you maintain a decent breeding population, but also you give other pups a better chance by allowing more resources for them.

Lesson: People who protest against these type of things know almost nothing about ecology, and absolutely nothing about conservation.

Yes. The more cute animals that die, the better.
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Mmmmm, seal meat. I say the People for the Eating of Tasty Animals should get involved in this.

So in other words, canada forgot about the financial ramificiations of their handy work. Like lost jobs. I wonder how the Liberals stayed in power for as long as they did.
Thank you. I'm glad a non-Canadian has finally said something reasonable that didn't include, "don't cull them because of _______(insert some animal rights tripe here)_____."

I agree from an economic and ecological standpoint.

Oh and here's some food for thought - why aren't the scientists squawking about this? Why aren't they telling is that this is a bad thing?

however, the argument can be towards any vegans who choose to be vegans for reasons other than health related. :p

My friends are vegans because of the meat industry. I think that both vegans and meat-eaters can agree that bad living conditions and violent slaughtering are unnecessary practices.

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It pisses off the ARA's...I'm for it.

50,000 seals getting killed isn't important. That many people die of hunger every day.

50,000 seals getting killed isn't important. That many people die of hunger every day.

Which is what happens with overpopulation. If you want to see the importance of conservation, just look at humans. Works almost the exact same way. Cram to many animals into a relatively small amount of area, you have disease and starvation.

But meh. I rant.

I'm afraid I don't really regard this as anything more than extermination of vermin. The fact that seals are cute doesn't make this anymore morally wrong than poisoning baby rats.

Though I must say, I wonder what seal tastes like. I've tasted a lot of "exotic" meat - some illegally - and would like to add seal to my growing list, which includes lion, crocodile, ostrich, bear, kangaroo, turtle and zebra.

The Seal Hunt has been blown completely out of proportion because some Protest Groups have sucked in enough drugged out celebrities to speak on their behalf. Funnily enough these are the same drugged out celebrities who can always be called upon to support the aboriginal communities, despite it being the aboriginal communities who actually rely on the seal hunt for revenues. They no longer club baby seals (despite misleading films being shown by activists). They shoot them in the head.

British rock singers like Morrissey (who?) say they will boycott Canada over the seal hunt and compared the seal cull to the Nazi gas chambers in WWII. Personally all I think that he’s doing is trying to grab some headlines.

The Humane Society of the United States (who has very close links to PETA) have gone so far as to manufacture support, by saying that prominent restaurants and chefs have given their support for a ban of Canadian seafood. Investigation of these facts not only proved that most of the restaurants of the bogus list never used Canadian seafood to begin with but that others were put on the list without their knowledge by the Humane Society. After looking into one third of those listed, it was found that 62% were never consulted and were not involved in any protest. David Pasternack, chef at the chic Manhattan restaurant Esca, is personally on the list but stated for the record that he was never even been approached by the Humane Society.

http://www.cbc.ca/nl/story/nf-seafood-boycott-20060327.html

Being cute and furry appears to be the next evolutionary step in the animal kingdom. Having Disney feature you as a character never hurts either (I actually knew a girl who was a Disney Vegetarian and wouldn’t eat any animal that was featured as a Disney character..). I’ve never seen anyone protest outside a sushi bar at the horrible killing of fish and really fish die a really sucky death when they get dragged in on masse in the nets (no quick clubbing for them). Not enough fur and cuteness going for them I suppose.

Personally, I’ve never clubbed or shot a seal. Although I’ve had to move when fishing, because a seal was stalking my line for an easy meal. I don’t really have a problem with seals one way or the other.