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"Al-Qaida conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui testified Monday that he and would-be shoe bomber Richard Reid were supposed to hijack a fifth airplane on Sept. 11, 2001, and fly it into the White House. "

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/27/D8GK32V80.html

So we still wonder where Flight 93 was headed. The Capital building?

Moussaoui Says He Was to Hijack 5th Plane

Oh yah? What happened to the other 4?

Oh yah? What happened to the other 4?
Two crashed in NYC, one hit the Pentagon, and the fourth crashed into the ground in the field. Either someone really hates dirt or it was crashed after the hijacking went horribly wrong.

Two crashed in NYC, one hit the Pentagon, and the fourth crashed into the ground in the field. Either someone really hates dirt or it was crashed after the hijacking went horribly wrong.
Well, theres still the option of the US airforce shooting it down, then again, dirt sucks.

shouldnt richard reid have been in the country if he was going to hijack an airplane?

shouldnt richard reid have been in the country if he was going to hijack an airplane?
No because then he couldn't have lit his shoes on fire, thus earning him the honour that comes with a Darwin Award.

They should shoot that guy now and get it over with.

They should shoot that guy now and get it over with.
Where is the guy now?

They should shoot that guy now and get it over with.

Mindless comment duly noted and ignored, troll-puppet.

"Al-Qaida conspirator Zacarias Moussaoui testified Monday that he and would-be shoe bomber Richard Reid were supposed to hijack a fifth airplane on Sept. 11, 2001, and fly it into the White House. "

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/27/D8GK32V80.html

So we still wonder where Flight 93 was headed. The Capital building?

Not to mention, he was supposed to high jack it with one Richard Reid who is also in custody.

Mindless comment duly noted and ignored, troll-puppet.
thanks for the flame, again. Seriously this guy worthless and would kill anyone on here given the chance. They should make him dig his grave out back and shoot him into it IMO.

thanks for the flame, again. Seriously this guy worthless and would kill anyone on here given the chance. They make him dig his grave out back and shoot him into it IMO.

Luckily we believe in due process in this country.

Luckily we believe in due process in this country.
In these cases "due process" gets in the way of takin care things

In these cases "due process" gets in the way of takin care things

Funny how having a judiciary works isn't it? Luckily, I believe in the judicial process. Unlike you it seems.

In these cases "due process" gets in the way of takin care things
So, if you get arrested, it means that the court can skip over 'due process' and get down to business, thusly shoving you into a jail cell to rot until a disgruntled guard is transferred to the prison and decides to you use as 'target practice'. Now, that'll help to 'take care of things', won't it? :p

Funny how having a judiciary works isn't it? Luckily, I believe in the judicial process. Unlike you it seems.
If you give me 10min in a room with that guy and I'll take care of what would take the "judicial process" years.

If you give me 10min in a room with that guy and I'll take care of what would the "judicial process" years.

The Moussaoui trial is in the sentencing phase.

If you give me 10min in a room with that guy and I'll take care of what would the "judicial process" years.
thank you troll-puppet

If you give me 10min in a room with that guy and I'll take care of what would the "judicial process" years.
I guess that when you're trial comes, we'll find a nice little red neck like you to 'take care' of the judicial process so your beliefs are keenly adhered to while you get the snot kicked out of you. After all, it'll prevent that pesky judiciary from interfering with their 'due process'.

Two crashed in NYC, one hit the Pentagon, and the fourth crashed into the ground in the field. Either someone really hates dirt or it was crashed after the hijacking went horribly wrong.

"horribly wrong" for the hijackers and the passengers, but how many were saved as a result of what happened on that flight?

That phrase just seems horribly wrong.

"horribly wrong" for the hijackers and the passengers, but how many were saved as a result of what happened on that flight?

That phrase just seems horribly wrong.
Not so much wrong, as ironic...

The Moussaoui trial is in the sentencing phase.
yeah, and even if he gets death, it will still take years before they kill the sob

yeah, and even if he gets death, it will still take years before they kill the sob

Welcome to Article 3 of the US Costitution as well as the 5th and 6th Amendments.

"horribly wrong" for the hijackers and the passengers, but how many were saved as a result of what happened on that flight?

That phrase just seems horribly wrong.

Obviously still not enough time has passed to make jokes about it then....

I guess that when you're trial comes, we'll find a nice little red neck like you to 'take care' of the judicial process so your beliefs are keenly adhered to while you get the snot kicked out of you. After all, it'll prevent that pesky judiciary from interfering with their 'due process'.
1st, I aint a redneck. 2nd, I aint a terrorist

If you give me 10min in a room with that guy and I'll take care of what would take the "judicial process" years.
Have you seen pictures of the guy? And wasn't he trained in an AQ camp in Afghanistan?

He'd beat your ass.

Welcome to Article 3 of the US Costitution as well as the 5th and 6th Amendments.
What you talking about? Are you talking about all those BS loopholes that lets a person sit on death row for 20yrs?

What you talking about? Are you talking about all those BS loopholes that lets a person sit on death row for 20yrs?

Actually yes I am. If ya don't like it, then petition the Congress to close them.

1st, I aint a redneck. 2nd, I aint a terrorist
Well, judging by the way you write your posts, one would be inclined to think otherwise.

Have you seen pictures of the guy? And wasn't he trained in an AQ camp in Afghanistan?

He'd beat your ass.
That guys like 5'6 and ohh wow Al-Qeada. I really afraid of a guy that got poor training in a mountain somewhere. :rolleyes:

That guys like 5'6 and ohh wow Al-Qeada. I really afraid of a guy that got poor training in a mountain somewhere. :rolleyes:

Question, what makes you think he had dirt poor training? How long has he been a member of AQ? Maybe he had other training prior to being a member of Al Qaeda.

Actually yes I am. If ya don't like it, then petition the Congress to close them.
The fact that havent is deeply troubling. Why the hell do we have the death penalty, if we aint gonna use it, especially in these cases.

That guys like 5'6 and ohh wow Al-Qeada. I really afraid of a guy that got poor training in a mountain somewhere. :rolleyes:
Compared to what? Your zero years of training? :p

Question, what makes you think he had dirt poor training? How long has he been a member of AQ? Maybe he had other training prior to being a member of Al Qaeda.
I dont care what training he had, Id still kill him

That guys like 5'6 and ohh wow Al-Qeada. I really afraid of a guy that got poor training in a mountain somewhere. :rolleyes:
His height is of what concern?

I dont care what training he had, Id still kill him
How can you have missed the various tapes, documentaries and other snippets for four and a half years now?

They don't get poor training in those camps. US Soldiers fighting in the invasion of Afghanistan have time and time again said how tough the AQ people were. They aimed well, they had good morale and they knew their tactics.
Add to that the footage of people leaping through hoops, climbing up all sorts of obstacles and so on, and you can assume that he's physically fit.

Hell, if someone looks like this (http://www.terrorismcentral.com/Library/Biographies/Bios/Moussaoui/Moussaoui.jpg), I'd still put my money on him even if he hadn't had any training at all.

Hell, if someone looks like this (http://www.terrorismcentral.com/Library/Biographies/Bios/Moussaoui/Moussaoui.jpg), I'd still put my money on him even if he hadn't had any training at all.
Looks can be tremendously deceptive. Although given that UN Abassodorship has no training either, you're correct. Either way, agreed on the fact that he is well trained.

They should shoot that guy now and get it over with.

Now, everyone, get it straight that I do NOT agree with this guy on 99% of what he says. Got that?

But I must agree with this.

The fact that havent is deeply troubling. Why the hell do we have the death penalty, if we aint gonna use it, especially in these cases.

Your guess is as good as mine. Could it be perhaps that we want to make sure that they really did do the crime?

Now, everyone, get it straight that I do NOT agree with this guy on 99% of what he says. Got that?

But I must agree with this.
And make him pay for the bullet! :eek:

Now, everyone, get it straight that I do NOT agree with this guy on 99% of what he says. Got that?

But I must agree with this.
Mhm, the trial is still underway, i would've not expected such rash actions from you

Mhm, the trial is still underway, i would've not expected such rash actions from you
No it isnt. He's admitted to it, he's proud of it, Doesnt feel sorry for anything he's done. He's basicly asking that we kill him, I say we help him.

No it isnt. He's admitted to it, he's proud of it, Doesnt feel sorry for anything he's done. He's basicly asking that we kill him, I say we help him.

Actually, I'll settle for life imprisonment and I'll let you think about why I say that.

Your guess is as good as mine. Could it be perhaps that we want to make sure that they really did do the crime?
he's admitted to it, over and over even when the judge wouldnt except his guilty plea, he insisted on pleading guilty. On top of that not a day goes by in that trail where he doesnt pledge alliance to al-Qeada, I say he did it.

How can you have missed the various tapes, documentaries and other snippets for four and a half years now?

They don't get poor training in those camps. US Soldiers fighting in the invasion of Afghanistan have time and time again said how tough the AQ people were. They aimed well, they had good morale and they knew their tactics.
Add to that the footage of people leaping through hoops, climbing up all sorts of obstacles and so on, and you can assume that he's physically fit.

Hell, if someone looks like this (http://www.terrorismcentral.com/Library/Biographies/Bios/Moussaoui/Moussaoui.jpg), I'd still put my money on him even if he hadn't had any training at all.
oh wow, he can jump through a hoop, Im impressed now:rolleyes: They arent good shots, they shoot like shit and Im not afraid of his mugshot.

Actually, I'll settle for life imprisonment and I'll let you think about why I say that.
I think you are asking too much of him. :p

Either someone really hates dirt or it was crashed after the hijacking went horribly wrong.
The plane crashed because the passengers on the plane got up from their seats and tried to fight the hijackers. Or that is what the American government tells us. Some eye-witnesses say that they saw debris falling from the plane before the actual aircraft crashed, meaning that the plane might have been shot down. You can read some conspiracy theories about it here: http://www.flight93crash.com/

Mhm, the trial is still underway, i would've not expected such rash actions from you

In my opinion, some crimes need no trials. Really, this guy was going to fly a plane into a building. We KNOW that. He has nothing else to contribute.

In my opinion, some crimes need no trials. Really, this guy was going to fly a plane into a building. We KNOW that. He has nothing else to contribute.
Still, you have to investigate everything

Still, you have to investigate everything

That I agree with. But the US already did that.

Two crashed in NYC, one hit the Pentagon, and the fourth crashed into the ground in the field. Either someone really hates dirt or it was crashed after the hijacking went horribly wrong.

Oh ... forgot about that.

*shrug*

Oh yah? What happened to the other 4?
They reached their destination.

The guy wants to be a martyr. Therefore he wants people like this to get their way
Quote:
Originally Posted by The UN abassadorship
No it isnt. He's admitted to it, he's proud of it, Doesnt feel sorry for anything he's done. He's basicly asking that we kill him, I say we help him.

What we should do is make him rot in solitary (don't let him have contact with the other prisoners for his own protection) for years upon years, knowing there is no end in sight.

They reached their destination.

3 did and 1 didn't :rolleyes:

Oh ... forgot about that.

*shrug*

At least I got it. :D

At least I got it. :D

*whew*

Glad someone did. I was afraid I was being too subtle.

Although this:

They reached their destination.

Comedy gold. :D

Oh yah? What happened to the other 4?Two crashed in NYC, one hit the Pentagon, and the fourth crashed into the ground in the field. Either someone really hates dirt or it was crashed after the hijacking went horribly wrong.I think the question (which hasn't been answered yet) was "What happened to the other four hijackers [in his 'team']?"

Actually, that's partially answered by his assertion that the 'Shoe Bomber' guy was supposed to be one of them, isn't it?

I personally always assumed that he was the 'missing' hijacker for the Pennsylvania crash, though, which might mean that there's another missing one.

Total speculation, of course, and utterly marred as authoritative opinion by the simple fact that I've not really been paying attention to the whole business, merely making snap assumptions to the odd bit of information I've half-absorbed from the TV.

Oh, and the fact that either himself (wishing to muddy the waters, having already been ready and willing to die for his cause and having nothing to lose) or the authorities (consciously or unconsciously pressuring him to givem them some more statements to hint at "clear and present danger") might have prompted him to come up with the recent statements. Maybe he was just "plane #4, hijacker #5"...

Then explain to me why he stated that he lied so that the terrorist attacks could go on?

Then explain to me why he stated that he lied so that the terrorist attacks could go on?

Because he wants to create as much outrage as possible so they only thing the court can do is use the death penalty.... thus turning him into a martyr. Exactly what he wants.

Thats it guys, give him what he wants beyond all other things on this planet- turn him into a martyr for the cause.

Because he wants to create as much outrage as possible so they only thing the court can do is use the death penalty.... thus turning him into a martyr. Exactly what he wants.

Thats it guys, give him what he wants beyond all other things on this planet- turn him into a martyr for the cause.

That is precisely what he wants.

That is precisely what he wants.

....and you're (pl) going to give it to him.....

....and you're (pl) going to give it to him.....

I hope we don't. I'd feel better if he was locked up for the rest of his life without parole.

I hope we don't. I'd feel better if he was locked up for the rest of his life without parole.

Wow...
I can't believe it.

I'm in complete agreement with you.

:eek:

I feel.... odd. :D

Wow...
I can't believe it.

I'm in complete agreement with you.

:eek:

I feel.... odd. :D

I do not like martyrs of his ilk.

I don't think anyone here can confuse me for an anti-death penalty advocate, but this guy might be better kept alive for a while. I do thiink this guy has earned a different status than an ordinary criminal. This guy is a prisoner of war and should be treated as such.

Has anyone else considered that he's lying?

I know that he's verified as part of Al Qaeda, I don't question that.

I know that he wanted to kill Americans. I don't question that, either.

I think he's pulling the connection to Richard Reed out of his Islamic hindquarters. What does he gain by making a confession now?

He draws attention toward himself.
He starts people looking for immigrants that went through pilot training.
He just about ensures his execution, or at the very least his incarceration until they think they have every scrap of knowledge he holds.
He gives the appearance of selling out Al Qaeda, if not actually doing it.


On the surface, it just doesn't make any sense for him to sing this tune. Of course, I could be discounting the effects of radical Islam. Do you still get to be called a martyr if your are arrested, tried, convicted, and executed by lethal injection? And if someone were to put some bacon grease on the needle prior to the execution, would he still go to Paradise?

Well, Reed isn't dead yet, so there's a simple enough way to verify the story. Whether he is telling the truth or lying, I think there is a reason other than confession being good for the soul, and we need to find out what is motivating him.

Do you still get to be called a martyr if your are arrested, tried, convicted, and executed by lethal injection?
Yes


Well, Reed isn't dead yet, so there's a simple enough way to verify the story. Whether he is telling the truth or lying, I think there is a reason other than confession being good for the soul, and we need to find out what is motivating him.

How pray tell?

I don't think anyone here can confuse me for an anti-death penalty advocate, but this guy might be better kept alive for a while. I do thiink this guy has earned a different status than an ordinary criminal. This guy is a prisoner of war and should be treated as such.
He's not a prisoner of war, he's an enemy combatant. Was he caught on the battlefield fighting America and her allies? No, there for no protection for the prick.

He's not a prisoner of war, he's an enemy combatant. Was he caught on the battlefield fighting America and her allies? No, there for no protection for the prick.

And in reality, we can't treat him as an illegal combatant either.

In my opinion, some crimes need no trials. Really, this guy was going to fly a plane into a building. We KNOW that. He has nothing else to contribute.
You do realize that confession often mean shit, don't you? Anyone can make anyone confess to anything, if they so choose.