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http://www.thestar.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=128&fArticleId=3171828

I find it fascinating that a lesbian could get so worked up about not being called "daddy" that she could kill a 4-year old child.

I guess no one told a four-year old that despite their instincts that tell them that a woman isn't Daddy, it's stupidly fatal to insist on that in the presence of a militant lesbian.

That's crazy. A woman cannot be "daddy", no matter how much she wants that title.

I feel like posting something, but get the feeling it would turn this topic into a "Let's hate K-P" party.

Why did she insist on being called "daddy" in the first place?

Oh, go ahead. I'm not in an argumentative mood right now.

1. Your link does not work.

2. I'm sorry about the kid. However, I fail to see a point to this thread except for innuendo about a cause I do identify with, but respect more than the alternative.

Yes, for those who thought it might be a simple case of child battering for the usual banal reasons, this one is strictly for political correctness.

Four-year-old Jandre Botha disobeyed an order to call his mother's lesbian lover "Daddy''.

So the lover, Engeline de Nysschen (33), viciously assaulted Jandre while demanding that he must call her "Daddy".

Jandre died from his injuries, which trauma expert Professor Mohammed Dada said were similar to those of a person who had fallen from a double-storey building.

1. Your link does not work.

2. I'm sorry about the kid. However, I fail to see a point to this thread except for innuendo about a cause I do identify with, but respect more than the alternative.

Just tested the link again. It works.

I guess no one told a four-year old that despite their instincts that tell them that a woman isn't Daddy, it's stupidly fatal to insist on that in the presence of a militant lesbian.

people have an instinct to not refer to women by the sound 'daddy'?

That was probably the closest in my life I've ever come to the thought of "Thank God that's not me" in reference to a lesbian situation....

Seriously though, to kill a defenseless four year old because he won't play to your vanity? Some people are absolute monsters.

Yes. Society is that screwed.

Yes, for those who thought it might be a simple case of child battering for the usual banal reasons, this one is strictly for political correctness.Oh come on. Making sure that one of the two people at home is called daddy has little to nothing to do with politcal correctness.

Oh come on. Making sure that one of the two people at home is called daddy has little to nothing to do with politcal correctness.
How come your quotes, and ONLY your quotes, are coming up partially in German to me tonight? Any explaination? It's pushing my head dangerously close to explosion.

people have an instinct to not refer to women by the sound 'daddy'?
If you've spent the prior years calling a man, "daddy", yes.

Yes, for those who thought it might be a simple case of child battering for the usual banal reasons, this one is strictly for political correctness.

actually, it sounds to me to be utterly in line with the usual stupid reasons adults hit children - not calling daddy by the term daddy prefers has probably resulted in more than one such incident over the course of human history.

If you've spent the prior years calling a man, "daddy", yes.

that's not an instinct

Simonist']How come your quotes, and ONLY your quotes, are coming up partially in German to me tonight? Any explaination? It's pushing my head dangerously close to explosion.I switched my forum onto German :D
It's an option in your profile you have. I think Heavenly Sex was the first person I noticed that had it and he passed on the wisdom of how to achieve it :)

Oh come on. Making sure that one of the two people at home is called daddy has little to nothing to do with politcal correctness.
Sure it does.

I can also point to the numerous times I've been told (since I have children and have been married more than once), that it is extremely damaging to a young child to force them to call any new parent "mom" or "dad" when the child already knows another person by that identifier.

It's deeply scarring to force them to accept someone new as "mom" or "dad", and in some cases, it can be considered emotional abuse to do so.

But, we know that a militant lesbian must have her way...

I cannot believe you. This is a tragic situation and you're trying to score a point in some goddamn culture war that has nothing what-so-ever to do with what you stated. There's no PC here, he wasn't killed because he wouldn't BE PC, nor can you reasonably state that even a child knows not to call a woman daddy.

Damn you sir, this is far beyond the pail.

that's not an instinct
It's deeply learned behavior at that age. The child already had a 'daddy'. It's considered emotional abuse to insist that another person be called 'daddy'.

Sure it does.

I can also point to the numerous times I've been told (since I have children and have been married more than once), that it is extremely damaging to a young child to force them to call any new parent "mom" or "dad" when the child already knows another person by that identifier.

It's deeply scarring to force them to accept someone new as "mom" or "dad", and in some cases, it can be considered emotional abuse to do so.

But, we know that a militant lesbian must have her way...That still isn't political correctness though.

That still isn't political correctness though.
Sure it is.

A militant lesbian insists on being called "daddy".

If you can't see that as political correctness, you're blind.

It's deeply learned behavior at that age. The child already had a 'daddy'. It's considered emotional abuse to insist that another person be called 'daddy'.
1.This woman did not kill the child because he wouldn't call a woman daddy, but because he wouldn't call her daddy.
2.Do you assume that all people who believe in political correctness or even all lesbians would beat the child to death? No? Then what the hell is the point of this thread?

Sure it is.

A militant lesbian insists on being called "daddy".

If you can't see that as political correctness, you're blind.
Right, so if an abuse man did the same and killed his step-son, or, hell, we'll just make him a boy friend, but he did the same, would you be posting this article and decrying PC? Bull shit. This ain't PC.

Right, so if an abuse man did the same and killed his step-son, or, hell, we'll just make him a boy friend, but he did the same, would you be posting this article and decrying PC? Bull shit. This ain't PC.

Wouldn't be a matter of PC, because political correctness today doesn't espouse any rights for men (they are assumed to be the ones with all the rights already).

It sure is PC. That's why you're so upset.

Wouldn't be a matter of PC, because political correctness today doesn't espouse any rights for men (they are assumed to be the ones with all the rights already).

It sure is PC. That's why you're so upset.
No, I'm upset that a child is dead and you're trying to score fucking political points for something not even related.

Wouldn't be a matter of PC, because political correctness today doesn't espouse any rights for men (they are assumed to be the ones with all the rights already).

It sure is PC. That's why you're so upset.Political correctness is about being polite by avoiding offensive terms. This has nothing to do with that and now amount of arguing the contrary will change that.
In fact, calling the woman "daddy" is counter-PC: The PC thing to do would be to call her "mommy".

Sure it is.

A militant lesbian insists on being called "daddy".

If you can't see that as political correctness, you're blind.

It's a case of a deeply disturbed woman with issues, and you're turning this into "Please God don't let the fags adopt kids or THIS will happen to them." Political Correctness my ass.

Killing a 4-year-old child just because he wouldn't call you 'Daddy'. Being 33 you would have thought that the crazy lesbian would get over such things!
She's ever an Alcoholic, Drug-addict or a Very Sick Mental Patient.

She is just an evil bitch. And the mother is worse, it was her baby...how could she stand by and allow it to be abused and do nothing? In my eyes she is even worse.

That poor poor little boy, the world is an evil terrible place for many innocent little people.

Yes, for those who thought it might be a simple case of child battering for the usual banal reasons, this one is strictly for political correctness.
What a load of crap. A person beat a child to death because the child would not obey them in regards to what they expected the child to call them. That is an utterly banal reason for child abuse, not at all a-typical and has nothing to do with political correctness. Child abuse occured before political correctness came along and if political correctness disappeared tomorrow child abuse wouldnt go away with it. The fact that the perpetrator is a lesbian, and/or that the title they wanted the child to call them by was 'Daddy' is not materially relevent. They could have been a 90 year old blind man who wanted to be called King-Kong and the outcome would have been no less tragic, nor the cause any more or less 'political correctness'....

People of all kinds have abused children throughout human history. If you actually believe for a single moment that had the 4 year old called this perpetrator daddy, that the child would then have been safe from abuse, you are naive and quite frankly deluded with regards to the issue of child-abuse.

Simonist']That was probably the closest in my life I've ever come to the thought of "Thank God that's not me" in reference to a lesbian situation....

Seriously though, to kill a defenseless four year old because he won't play to your vanity? Some people are absolute monsters.


I think it has nothing to do within the sexual orientation of the killer, she is crazy and that's all, it could have been tha father for a equally stupid "reason" and we would be talking about familiar violence, but as she is lesbian, it's another kind of problem. I dont' think so.

After reading the story, I am rather unsurprised by the misleading nature of it, especially considering the source(The Star, which to me is hardly above a tabloid).

First, let's look at this crucial line:

"in her judgment, accepted evidence that among the reasons that led to Jandre's brutal ordeal was his refusal to call De Nysschen "Daddy"."

Key words here: Among other reasons. What other reasons? Obviously there were other reasons why she beat the child, but apparently the only one that matters is his refusal to call her "Daddy". Obviously, there were other motives. I highly doubt that this was the key factor. However, it makes for a far more sensational story than other reasons.

Second, from the story it is unclear whether or not the child was killed while refusing to call her "daddy", due to witness testimony. It is clear that at least one occurance of abuse had happened as such, however it does not paint a picture as to what happened when the child was killed. This follows an extremely flawed logic of drawing conclusions.

Third, she was probably emotionally unstable to begin with, and quite literally anything would have set her off, and likely not being called "daddy" was only a single "reason" as to the abuse. I would not doubt in the least that she probably beat this child with absolutely no provocation at all.

That being said, this is extremely tragic. However, I am shocked and dismayed at the portrayal that this article paints. Obviously, they were trying to "buff up" the story to make it more sensational, and sell more papers.

Dies Because He Refused To Be Politically Correct
Since when has political correctness entailed calling a lesbian parent 'daddy'? I find it sickening that you could twist this tragic story to promote your own political views.

Sure it is.

A militant lesbian insists on being called "daddy".

If you can't see that as political correctness, you're blind.

Then I'm blind. I just see a disturbed woman insisting on being called something she is not.

However, to play along: the lesbian partner could have asked to be called "mother". That is not unnatural; a kid afterall has two "grannies" too.

This has nothing to do with Political Correctness.

As a matter of fact, I'd dearly love to see where the statutes of Political Correctness are written down and which Congress passed the act.

This has to do with someone who probably would have killed her child anyway. Remember kids: Andrea Yates was "mommy".

I'm reasonably sure the OP, Kimchi, is not suggesting that because of a single isolated incident that we ban lesbians from being parents; so, honestly, I'm missing the point of the thread.

Remember kids: Andrea Yates was "mommy".

So was Susan Smith.

This story, while tragic, stinks of spin. *nod*

http://www.thestar.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=128&fArticleId=3171828

I find it fascinating that a lesbian could get so worked up about not being called "daddy" that she could kill a 4-year old child.

I guess no one told a four-year old that despite their instincts that tell them that a woman isn't Daddy, it's stupidly fatal to insist on that in the presence of a militant lesbian.No, the kid died because the step-parent was an abusive SOB and the biological parent either couldn't or wouldn't step in and do someting. But way to link this to politicial correctness when there's no link--you keep managing to lower my opinion of you, and that's pretty difficult.

I'm sorry, but for some sick, perverted reason, the image of this woman beating someone while shouting "Who's your Daddy!" popped into my head...



I really need to get some sleep... 3 more hours then I can go home...

Yes, for those who thought it might be a simple case of child battering for the usual banal reasons, this one is strictly for political correctness.
This has nothing to do with political correctness. This has to do with women who were obviously unfit to have a young child in their care.

In this case, the custody should have been awarded to the father. Stupid legal system that nearly always give the custody to the mother, no matter how deranged and dangerous to her child she is.

The mother also might want to seriously re-think what kind of a partner she wants in life.

I don't care to argue over how Politically Correct this is, however, I will say that the woman who attacked the young boy for refusing to call her "daddy" is seriously messed up in the head.

Yes, for those who thought it might be a simple case of child battering for the usual banal reasons, this one is strictly for political correctness.
How is this "PC"?

I don't care to argue over how Politically Correct this is, however, I will say that the woman who attacked the young boy for refusing to call her "daddy" is seriously messed up in the head.
Anyone who physically abuses a 4 year old, for whatever reason, is messed up in the head. What pisses me off about this type of thread is that the OP seems to be hinting that because of PC (which in this case is linked to her sexual orientation), this case is more egregious than most.

How is this "PC"?It could be that every family has to have a "Mother" and a "Father" so by having the child call De Nysschen "Father" or "Daddy" could be a sign that the Child accepted De Nysschen as a member of the family. and by refusing to call De Nysschen "Daddy" was thus Rejection... or thus could be the reasoning in De Nysschen's mind...


A stretch I grant.

http://www.thestar.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=128&fArticleId=3171828

I find it fascinating that a lesbian could get so worked up about not being called "daddy" that she could kill a 4-year old child.

I guess no one told a four-year old that despite their instincts that tell them that a woman isn't Daddy, it's stupidly fatal to insist on that in the presence of a militant lesbian.
Poor lil guy. In this case it just happens to be a lesbian lover. In most cases it's some asshole of a boyfriend, or even the parents themselves. I pray most fervently that I never come face to face with anyone who is harming a child. It most definitely will not be pretty. This is one of the very few things which send me into a towering, berserker rage. I don't feel pain, I don't think, I just shift into "killer" mode and go totally falshback on their ass. :mad:

Wouldn't be a matter of PC, because political correctness today doesn't espouse any rights for men (they are assumed to be the ones with all the rights already).

It sure is PC. That's why you're so upset.

As a life long "leftist" I can tell you that it has never been "PC" in our circles to call a lesbian care giver daddy. Remember, PC was all about "Heather has Two Mommies," not "Heather has One Mommy and One Female Daddy." Get over yourself. This is just the case of an unhinged woman wo killed a kid and is now making stupid excuses. Nothing more. It is no different than a care giver killing a baby for crying too much.

Anyway, the last time I checked, the conservatives were in power. They have the White House, Congress, and the Supreme Court. As such, PC now refers to the conservative agenda not the liberal one. To be liberal is now very "un" PC.

Yes, for those who thought it might be a simple case of child battering for the usual banal reasons, this one is strictly for political correctness.
I wouldn't say the kid died due to political correctness, more like one woman's insanity.

Anyway, the last time I checked, the conservatives were in power. They have the White House, Congress, and the Supreme Court. As such, PC now refers to the conservative agenda not the liberal one. To be liberal is now very "un" PC.Doesn't the case take place in South Africa?

Doesn't the case take place in South Africa?


Good point. I'm not sure of the current political situation in SA. It was just a reflex I have when conservatives scream PC and/or opression. :)

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Poor lil guy. In this case it just happens to be a lesbian lover. In most cases it's some asshole of a boyfriend, or even the parents themselves. I pray most fervently that I never come face to face with anyone who is harming a child. It most definitely will not be pretty. This is one of the very few things which send me into a towering, berserker rage. I don't feel pain, I don't think, I just shift into "killer" mode and go totally falshback on their ass. :mad:

As long as you just beat them until you think they're dead, I'll be perfectly okay with that.

That way they get to wake up all beaten and bruised in prison afterwards *nods*

As long as you just beat them until you think they're dead, I'll be perfectly okay with that.

That way they get to wake up all beaten and bruised in prison afterwards *nods*
Preferre, "Beat them till they wish they were dead."

but don't kill them. if you kill them, then they don't learn nuthin.

Well this goes to show what will happen if militant leftist lesbians with psychological disorders are allowed to adopt kids, eh?

Since we're going about the topic of PC, I'm surprised no-one has yet noticed this little bit in said article:
Willemse criticised Botha's fitness to be a mother, saying her parents later approached her ex-husband and gave him financial help to fight for the custody of his child.
That's just appalling - even her parents agreed she wasn't a fit mother, to the extent of helping her ex-husband try to get custody. Once again, men's rights to their children are totally ignored by the courts.

http://www.thestar.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=128&fArticleId=3171828

I find it fascinating that a lesbian could get so worked up about not being called "daddy" that she could kill a 4-year old child.

I guess no one told a four-year old that despite their instincts that tell them that a woman isn't Daddy, it's stupidly fatal to insist on that in the presence of a militant lesbian.
Yeah, and all the other parents who kill their kids for stupid reasons are probably just trying to make the world a more PC place as well.

Parents of all sexual oriantations have and likely will continue to kill thier children for all sorts of stupid reasons.

As long as you just beat them until you think they're dead, I'll be perfectly okay with that.

That way they get to wake up all beaten and bruised in prison afterwards *nods*
Heh! When I get that enraged, all the bets are off, my friend. The reptilian midbrain takes over and higher functions go on holiday.

Heh! When I get that enraged, all the bets are off, my friend. The reptilian midbrain takes over and higher functions go on holiday.
*Imagines Eutrusca's higher functions sunbathing on a nice tropical beach*

Preferre, "Beat them till they wish they were dead."

but don't kill them. if you kill them, then they don't learn nuthin.
Personally? I couldn't give a shit less whether they "learn" anything or not. They abuse a child in my presence, they're dead, D...E...A...D.

And, yes, I'm quite prepared to face the consequences.

*Imagines Eutrusca's higher functions sunbathing on a nice tropical beach*
Damn! I hate when they do that! It's lots more fun if all of us go together!

Voice: It is not! You always want to get drunk and chase wimmin!

Me: Liar! I just like beer and wimmen, that's all!

:D

there is nothing PC about insisting that a kid call someone who isnt his father daddy. this kid had a daddy.

if the child didnt have a father, it would be OK for his mother's life partner to adopt him (or do as good as in places where that isnt allowed) and request to be called MOMMY. daddy is never PC when referring to a woman.

this poor kid was the victim of a negligent mother and her abusive girlfriend. the doctors found that he was abused badly over time not just that day. the court ruled that his mother was as guilty as her girlfriend because she did nothing to save her child.

its an all too common story with the psycho lesbian twist thrown in for interest.

there is nothing PC about insisting that a kid call someone who isnt his father daddy. this kid had a daddy.

if the child didnt have a father, it would be OK for his mother's life partner to adopt him (or do as good as in places where that isnt allowed) and request to be called MOMMY. daddy is never PC when referring to a woman.

this poor kid was the victim of a negligent mother and her abusive girlfriend. the doctors found that he was abused badly over time not just that day. the court ruled that his mother was as guilty as her girlfriend because she did nothing to save her child.

its an all too common story with the psycho lesbian twist thrown in for interest.
Amen. I obviously have no proof for this, but I suspect that those who abuse children hate their own future, since children are our future.

1.This woman did not kill the child because he wouldn't call a woman daddy, but because he wouldn't call her daddy.
2.Do you assume that all people who believe in political correctness or even all lesbians would beat the child to death? No? Then what the hell is the point of this thread?
There is no relevant point...
But then again, there is no spoon either... :cool:

Amen. I obviously have no proof for this, but I suspect that those who abuse children hate their own future, since children are our future.Personally? I couldn't give a shit less whether they "learn" anything or not. They abuse a child in my presence....Eut and all the other talking about Child abuse..

This is not a case of Child abuse.

Eut and all the other talking about Child abuse..

This is not a case of Child abuse.come-on people.... someone talk to me.
I gotta leave soon. and I don't wanna leave it like this

come-on people.... someone talk to me.
I gotta leave soon. and I don't wanna leave it like this
then what is it.

other than a child dying due to abuse?

Eut and all the other talking about Child abuse..

This is not a case of Child abuse.
Uh ... then WTF IS it???

(Thank you)
then what is it.Its Bloody Murder... an innocent 4 years old has been murdered...

I think its important use the proper words.. Because this is an international Forum.. and (legal and geographical) definitions of "Child Abuse" are not always the same..

For instance in some countries its Illegal to spank your kids... leave it for another thread.. just try to use the best possible term.

Uh ... then WTF IS it???thanks .. I was about to reply to myself. :D

(Thank you)
Its Bloody Murder... an innocent 4 years old has been murdered...

I think its important use the proper words.. Because this is an international Forum.. and (legal and geographical) definitions of "Child Abuse" are not always the same..

For instance in some countries its Illegal to spank your kids... leave it for another thread.. just try to use the best possible term.
actually, only if they can prove that they willingly caused the child's death. otherwise, it's manslaughter at best.

but considering the situation. (adult vs child) Death resultant by abuse (especially when the trauma is similar to falling off of a multi story building.) makes life much harder in the pen for the perp.

(Thank you)
Its Bloody Murder... an innocent 4 years old has been murdered...

I think its important use the proper words.. Because this is an international Forum.. and (legal and geographical) definitions of "Child Abuse" are not always the same..

For instance in some countries its Illegal to spank your kids... leave it for another thread.. just try to use the best possible term.
You could say it is a murder resulting from child abuse
It really is both

Edit: Though it could be manslaughter

You could say it is a murder resulting from child abuse
It really is both
I could.. but I wont use the term "child abuse" (cos this term is so over-used/miss-used)

I will just call it "bloody Murder." or "manslaugther-of-a-4-years-old"..

I could.. but I wont use the term "child abuse" (cos this term is so over used/miss-used)

but I will just call it "bloody Murder." or "manslaugther-of-a-4-years-old"..
Go for it ... Ill call it both. As both are techicaly right whats the arguement with everyone using it?

I mean we are all outraged as well, why the big fuss?

we are all outraged as well, why the big fuss?(this page?) It was my personal rant about the miss-use of a term (I said what I had to say..now I am over it;) )

but if you want to know what is the thread "big-Fuss".. I guess its more about how PC is related (or not) to this bloody murder.

Then I'm blind. I just see a disturbed woman insisting on being called something she is not.

However, to play along: the lesbian partner could have asked to be called "mother". That is not unnatural; a kid afterall has two "grannies" too.

I think I see where DK is coming from with the "politlcal correctness" slant:

PC would say it's okay for a woman to be called "Daddy" -- it goes against traditional naming of parents, but that's perfectly fine in the PC lexicon.

Whether or not this bitch had that agenda -- "I don't care if I AM a WOMAN, CALL ME DADDY, don't be a narrow-minded twerp, I AM YOUR DADDY!" -- one thing is clear:

She's F'd up in a major way -- probably has little confidence in herself if she's so adamant about her titles, and worse, will act negatively on impulse --and should be severely punished, maybe forced to wear a shirt for the rest of her life that says, "I love white, Christian men", while she rots in prison.

It'll be interesting to see how the PCists handle the side aspect of this, which calls into question the validity of a woman being called "Daddy". Should a woman have the right to demand that her "child" call her "Daddy"? Should a man, conversely, have a right to demand that his child call him "Mommy"?

When I think you can't stoop lower, Deep Kimchi... *sigh*

(this page?) It was my personal rant about the miss-use of a term (I said what I had to say..now I am over it;) )

but if you want to know what is the thread "big-Fuss".. I guess its more about how PC is related (or not) to this bloody murder.
I agree with the last part :) The first part the mis-use was more on the other times it was used in too broad a sense rather then this time But yeah

2) Let's see how the PCists handle the side aspect of this, which calls into question the validity of a woman being called "Daddy".

The PC thing is to call her mommy. It's not PC to force a heterosexual mould onto gay couples. PC is letting gay couples have a gay mould, and in this case it is "two mommies" not "a mommy and a daddy."

If you're going to scream PC, at least know what it is. Heteronormativity isn't.

When I think you can't stoop lower, Deep Kimchi... *sigh*hi.. Fass how are you doing?

The PC thing is to call her mommy. It's not PC to force a heterosexual mould onto gay couples. PC is letting gay couples have a gay mould, and in this case it is "two mommies" not "a mommy and a daddy."

If you're going to scream PC, at least know what it is. Heteronormativity isn't.

okay, cool

so the PC things would be to call both lesbian parents "Mommy"

or, in the case of a homosexual male couple, to refer to them both as "Daddy"?

http://www.thestar.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=128&fArticleId=3171828

I find it fascinating that a lesbian could get so worked up about not being called "daddy" that she could kill a 4-year old child.

I guess no one told a four-year old that despite their instincts that tell them that a woman isn't Daddy, it's stupidly fatal to insist on that in the presence of a militant lesbian.
Child murderers should go to jail for life or be executed. I don't see what political correctness has to do with raving psychos though.

okay, cool

so the PC things would be to call both lesbian parents "Mommy"

or, in the case of a homosexual male couple, to refer to them both as "Daddy"?
How does anyone even know what political correctness is? It seems that most people just call things that they don't like "politically correct".

okay, cool

so the PC things would be to call both lesbian parents "Mommy"

or, in the case of a homosexual male couple, to refer to them both as "Daddy"?
It is, really. By calling the one parent "mommy" and the other "daddy" you are conforming to a heterosexual form of family. So it is essentially not PC.

okay, cool

so the PC things would be to call both lesbian parents "Mommy"

or, in the case of a homosexual male couple, to refer to them both as "Daddy"?

Yup. Calling one "mommy" and the other "daddy" implies one is the woman and the other the man, and that is just plain old silly heterosexism. In lesbian relationships they're both women, and in male gay relationships they're both men, thus two daddies and two mommies.

No, what we have here is a nutjob. And Deep Kimchi trying to profit off of the death of this kid in trying to make some irrelevant sort of straw man attack on what PC is.

How does anyone even know what political correctness is? .Key question you ask.
*going AFK*

But, we know that a militant lesbian must have her way...
Do you expect someone to say that this murder was acceptable?

okay, cool

so the PC things would be to call both lesbian parents "Mommy"

or, in the case of a homosexual male couple, to refer to them both as "Daddy"?

Or define new words for them. Many countries have different names for the maternal and the paternal grandmother for instance; so there is precedent.
People who dislike the idea of a couple being seperated in "bio-mommy" and "other-mommy" can choose not to - or teach the kid to call them by their first names.

politically correct (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/politically%20correct)

ADJECTIVE:
Abbr. PC

1. Of, relating to, or supporting broad social, political, and educational change, especially to redress historical injustices in matters such as race, class, gender, and sexual orientation.

2. Being or perceived as being overconcerned with such change, often to the exclusion of other matters.

Poor lil guy. In this case it just happens to be a lesbian lover. In most cases it's some asshole of a boyfriend, or even the parents themselves. I pray most fervently that I never come face to face with anyone who is harming a child. It most definitely will not be pretty. This is one of the very few things which send me into a towering, berserker rage. I don't feel pain, I don't think, I just shift into "killer" mode and go totally falshback on their ass. :mad:


I wish I'd known you when I was growing up.

Poor lil guy. In this case it just happens to be a lesbian lover. In most cases it's some asshole of a boyfriend, or even the parents themselves. I pray most fervently that I never come face to face with anyone who is harming a child. It most definitely will not be pretty. This is one of the very few things which send me into a towering, berserker rage. I don't feel pain, I don't think, I just shift into "killer" mode and go totally falshback on their ass. :mad:
Sort of like a rabid wolverine...and then you discorporate, into tiny little pieces, and they have to take you back to the lab, in a jar, to bring you back into being.

it could be that the girlfriend wasnt a lesbian but a transsexual who was living as a man. the newspaper might just not be up on that kind of thing.

then it would make better sense for a woman to insist on being called daddy. that just makes her a psycho transsexual who beat a kid to death for insisting that only his father is daddy. i think there must be a few men who have beaten a child for the same offense.

Oh, Lord save us from those evil lesbians and their plot to kill our children for not calling them "daddy".

Yup. Calling one "mommy" and the other "daddy" implies one is the woman and the other the man, and that is just plain old silly heterosexism. In lesbian relationships they're both women, and in male gay relationships they're both men, thus two daddies and two mommies.

No, what we have here is a nutjob. And Deep Kimchi trying to profit off of the death of this kid in trying to make some irrelevant sort of straw man attack on what PC is.

Quite so. Shame on you, DK, for trying to use the death of a child to push homophobia.

Child murderers should go to jail for life or be executed. I don't see what political correctness has to do with raving psychos though.

Deep Kimchi's implying that allowing homosexual couples to adopt children is political correctness which leads to further abuse and murder of kids.

Do you expect someone to say that this murder was acceptable?

He's hoping someone actually will, just to make his wet dream of "proving" the Left to be insane and inhuman come true.

Anybody that is this unstable does not need to be near people, much less kids.

Oh, Lord save us from those evil lesbians and their plot to kill our children for not calling them "daddy".



Quite so. Shame on you, DK, for trying to use the death of a child to push homophobia.
really? I didn't get that message...

I thought DK was just showing how retarted the exscuses are for hitting a child.

I don't think it has anything to do with whether or not the child would call her "daddy." Sounds like she was capable of killing a child at some point no matter what. I always say, most people don't kill for the reasons they say they did...chances are if you killed somebody, you were bound to kill somebody sometime. Everything else is just rationalizations.

Deep Kimchi's implying that allowing homosexual couples to adopt children is political correctness which leads to further abuse and murder of kids.

Actually it is was the demanding that the child should refer to one of the partents "in a politically correct way" - but that PC part has already been shown to be nonsense.

However, there is *some* validity to your claim. Research shows that non-biological parents on average tend to provide their children with less "love" (when expressed in amounts of money and time spent on/with them) than biological parents, and that a higher percentage is abusive. This holds for heterosexual stephparents and adoptive parents - so possibly also for gay adoptive couples. However, the "gayness" is not the determining factor here.

So, let's see what happened here:

1- Crazy person that happened to be a lesbian murdered a 4-year old.

2- Tabloid makes a point of focusing on her sexual option as opposed to the fact that she's, uhhh, CRAZY.

3- DK looks at the news and decides it's a nice way to push his homophobic agenda.

4- DK, still salivating from seeing such a juicy piece of news, puts it here, using the dead boy to push an agenda the dead boy did not espouse, thereby violating his memory for political gain in a way that's reminiscent of cannibalism.

So, in summary, the crazy lady killed the boy and DK ate his corpse.

Deep Kimchi's implying that allowing homosexual couples to adopt children is political correctness which leads to further abuse and murder of kids.
No he has a gay son and he is a self-proclaimed civil libertarian. Hardly enemy #1 of the gay rights movement.

No he has a gay son and he is a self-proclaimed civil libertarian. Hardly enemy #1 of the gay rights movement.

In that case, why does he make a point of claiming the kid died for "refusing to be PC" as opposed to "refusing to call a woman daddy"?

In that case, why does he make a point of claiming the kid died for "refusing to be PC" as opposed to "refusing to call a woman daddy"?

One can oppose PC without opposing gay rights. But I admit being shocked by how easily I lumped them together in my mind :s

Apologies - even though I still disagree with the point made.

You all have it wrong... DK is trying to show that killing is natural to human beings and should therefor be legal. I think DK is actually envious that this lady got to kill a child, but is angry that she is getting busted for it.

That's crazy. That's... that's just crazy.

I have to ask, though, did you find this article by Googling "Lesbians + 4 year olds", perhaps?

Actually it is was the demanding that the child should refer to one of the partents "in a politically correct way" - but that PC part has already been shown to be nonsense.

However, there is *some* validity to your claim. Research shows that non-biological parents on average tend to provide their children with less "love" (when expressed in amounts of money and time spent on/with them) than biological parents, and that a higher percentage is abusive. This holds for heterosexual stephparents and adoptive parents - so possibly also for gay adoptive couples. However, the "gayness" is not the determining factor here.
Yeah it would be the "adopted" part that would be the significant determinant of the trend rather then the Sexual prefferance

If we were representing it as a Line it would be

Projected Y = B + B2*D1 + B3*D2 + B4 (D1*D2) + Error

Where

D2 = 1 If was adopted, 0 if not
D3 = 1 If parent was gay. 0 if not

(Using a dummy variable setup)

I am betting Beta 3 and 4 are not significant

okay, cool

so the PC things would be to call both lesbian parents "Mommy"

or, in the case of a homosexual male couple, to refer to them both as "Daddy"?

I don't know that you'd call it PC or not, but that's generally what is done. Either that or have the kid call you by your first names.

When my ex and I were talking about becoming parents (we eventually decided against it), we decided one would be daddy and the other would be pappa. That way if the child called out for a parent, we would know which parent was wanted. Quite a few gay parents do that. But to call one daddy and one mommy in a same sex couple just isn't done. It's ... well ... creepy for lack of a better word.

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In that case, why does he make a point of claiming the kid died for "refusing to be PC" as opposed to "refusing to call a woman daddy"?
I have no idea.

Maybe the murderer was completely OD'ing on her testosterone pills, e.g. wanting to be called daddy, resorting to extreme violence.

I think I see the PC in this. The killer didn't want to be called the term that society placed on her because of her gender. Since she was technicly a parent and was female, she is automatically called a mother. She didn't like that. She wanted to be called daddy. Thios isn't about hetrosexuality or homophobia. This is about a woman who wanted to be called something other than the title society gave her. She didn't need that. She needed pills to help repair her brain.

You all have it wrong... DK is trying to show that killing is natural to human beings and should therefor be legal. I think DK is actually envious that this lady got to kill a child, but is angry that she is getting busted for it.hmm..

Bible of the sacred Land-of-the-Free (Internet).
Page #8 verse 56

..thy should not let "the hate" guide your hand (write your posts)

It'll be interesting to see how the PCists handle the side aspect of this, which calls into question the validity of a woman being called "Daddy". Should a woman have the right to demand that her "child" call her "Daddy"? Should a man, conversely, have a right to demand that his child call him "Mommy"?
Provided they dont impinge on the welfare of the child concerned, parents pretty much have the right to demand whatever they please.

It's up to individual parents how they raise their children provided how they do so does not unreasonably risk or impinge on the child's welfare.

...beat a kid to death for insisting that only his father is daddy. i think there must be a few men who have beaten a child for the same offense.
You think right. I can recall such a case happening a couple of years ago. Ironically prior to the 'PC revolution' it would have been considered entirely reasonable to insist a child call their step parent 'mum' or 'dad' regardless how the child felt about it.

The fact is it is largely because of 'PC' thinking that children are seen as something other than vassels, that we actually now talk about sexual abuse (although still do far to little to prevent it and heal our injured), and that we consider what once was 'normal discipline' and 'a private matter' to be child-abuse. As for emotional abuse, such a notion didnt really exist (especially so far as children were concerned) prior to efforts characterised as 'PC'. If a child is being abused - that's not PC...