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I know this isn't indictative of the whole of American youth but... you just can't help but laugh at that line:

Wie Golfs With Role Model Condoleezza Rice
NEW YORK — Teenage golfer Michelle Wie couldn't believe she played golf with one of her role models, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

"I was like, 'Oh my God, it's the secretary of state. They put me in charge of driving her around" in a golf cart, Wie told Time magazine for its issue on newsstands Monday.

"I was like, if I crash, the secretary of state goes down with me," the 16-year-old Hawaiian high school junior said.

When asked what she thought of radio host Rush Limbaugh calling her a "triumph of marketing," Wie, the No. 2 ranked woman golfer, said, "Huh? Who's that?"

When told he hosts a radio talk show, she said, "I don't listen to the radio much."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060326/ap_en_ot/people_wie;_ylt=AtiVVphaEBEzYFmBh_CakU3K.nQA;_ylu=X3oDMTA3YXYwNDRrBHNlYwM3NjI-

Maybe there's hope for America's youth after all? ;)

Well, I'd say she is probably just one more youth who isn't exactly politically knowledgeable.

I know this isn't indictative of the whole of American youth but... you just can't help but laugh at that line:
You mean every single creature in the Universe doesn't listen to Rush Limbaugh? ZOMGWTF!!! It can't be true!

Well, I'd say she is probably just one more youth who isn't exactly politically knowledgeable.
But can you really say that knowledge of the exsistance of Rush Limbaugh is required to be poltically knowledgeable? I mean, at least she knew who Sec of State Rice was and what job she holds.

...He's not dead yet?

You mean every single creature in the Universe doesn't listen to Rush Limbaugh? ZOMGWTF!!! It can't be true!
*LOL* Don't tell HIM that. ;)

Well, I'd say she is probably just one more youth who isn't exactly politically knowledgeable.
You know what'd be great, though? If not knowing who Rush Limbaugh was had no bearing on a person's awareness of politics...

You know what'd be great, though? If not knowing who Rush Limbaugh was had no bearing on a person's awareness of politics...
Yeah, it'd be great if you could learn about a field without ever having to so much notice the existence of a fairly major player in it. Regretfully, this is not so, and no matter what your political persuasion, if you are trying to learn about American politics you have to at least know that Rush exists.

You know what'd be great, though? If not knowing who Rush Limbaugh was had no bearing on a person's awareness of politics...

Oh come on, if you know a little of politics then you must have heard of Rush and his craziness. It's like saying you don't know who Michael Moore is.

When asked what she thought of radio host Rush Limbaugh calling her a "triumph of marketing,"
Oh, the irony, the sweet, sweet irony.

Don't any of you know what "what'd (what would" and "If" do to a sentence?

What would you say if I told you I was Rush Limbaugh?

(Well, besides "You're drunk and stupid", which is true, but anything else can go)

Well, I'd say she is probably just one more youth who isn't exactly politically knowledgeable.

Not listening to Rush Limbaugh is a very politically knowledgeable thing to do.

Yeah, it'd be great if you could learn about a field without ever having to so much notice the existence of a fairly major player in it. Regretfully, this is not so, and no matter what your political persuasion, if you are trying to learn about American politics you have to at least know that Rush exists.
Is he really a fairly major player in politics thought? In the world of talking heads, yeah, but actual politics?

What would you say if I told you I was Rush Limbaugh?

(Well, besides "You're drunk and stupid", which is true, but anything else can go)

Go smoke another bowl bro.

Oh come on, if you know a little of politics then you must have heard of Rush and his craziness. It's like saying you don't know who Michael Moore is.
My post exactly. In my experience, one's likelihood to know about Rush increases inversely to their political distance from him.

Is he really a fairly major player in politics thought? In the world of talking heads, yeah, but actual politics?

He's not even a talking head, really. He's a political flamer, it's not even intelligent conservative commentary (yes, there is such a thing) just conservative flaming. He's like Pat Robertson, if he ever did make an intelligent comment, no one would believe it.

Not listening to Rush Limbaugh is a very politically knowledgeable thing to do.

I can certainly agree with that but you should know who he is.

Don't any of you know what "what'd (what would" and "If" do to a sentence?
Generally, when combined with "great" it turns that sentence into a sarcastic statement.
"Know what'd be great? If you started being a bit more cryptic in your phrasology. I mean, conversations are just soo boring when you can guess at what the fuck the other guy is trying to say."

I can certainly agree with that but you should know who he is.

Why? Is he important to the process? Or is he just a loud, ill-informed voice?

You mean every single creature in the Universe doesn't listen to Rush Limbaugh? ZOMGWTF!!! It can't be true!
I don't listen to Rush. I find him pedantic and overbearing and egoistic. :p

Go smoke another bowl bro.
I think I'll stick with Tequila, thank you very mucherrooooo!

Why? Is he important to the process? Or is he just a loud, ill-informed voice?

He does have a large conservative audience who listens to what he has to say and like any other person with a talk show he does affect the process as people who can't think for themselves need people like him to tell them what to think.

He does have a large conservative audience who listens to what he has to say and like any other person with a talk show he does affect the process as people who can't think for themselves need people like him to tell them what to think.

Big loud annoying guys tend to gain followers. It's like zombies eating brains. It happens. As long as every person doesn't mindly follow what he says, he can have his free speach.

Generally, when combined with "great" it turns that sentence into a sarcastic statement.
"Know what'd be great? If you started being a bit more cryptic in your phrasology. I mean, conversations are just soo boring when you can guess at what the fuck the other guy is trying to say."
Or, you know, indicates a preference for the proposed scenario. Like, "You know what'd be great? If you wouldn't kill us." You see, it is sarcastic, but not in the it means you are not actually trying to kill us but that you are and I am understating my desire for you not to kill us. That's how it's used in sarcasm.

Is he really a fairly major player in politics thought? In the world of talking heads, yeah, but actual politics?
Everyone in American politics knows about Rush. If you aren't a Rush fan, then any true Al Franken or Michael Moore fan will know, and loathe, the big mean Republican of legend; if you watch any American 24-hr news outlet or C-SPAN on a regular basis, you'll here a reference to him; if you post on political discussion boards, Rush will be a topic of conversation at least once a month; or if you start doing even minor research into Modern Republicanism the man's face will appear, pudgy and leering as always.

He does have a large conservative audience who listens to what he has to say and like any other person with a talk show he does affect the process as people who can't think for themselves need people like him to tell them what to think.
Hmm, but since most of his listeners are conservative to begin with, I would think that they would normally vote conservative no matter what Rush told them.

Or, you know, indicates a preference for the proposed scenario. Like, "You know what'd be great? If you wouldn't kill us." You see, it is sarcastic, but not in the it means you are not actually trying to kill us but that you are and I am understating my desire for you not to kill us. That's how it's used in sarcasm.
You mean like in, "You know what'd be great? If you just admitted I was right and shut the fuck up?"
I prefer my way, as it combines sarcasm with irony.

He does have a large conservative audience who listens to what he has to say and like any other person with a talk show he does affect the process as people who can't think for themselves need people like him to tell them what to think.
Actually, I believe everyone should know what the opposition is thinking. And, they do get the Rep talking points each morning. But I seldom listen to Rush, Sean Henady is about as weird as I can handle.

Everyone in American politics knows about Rush. If you aren't a Rush fan, then any true Al Franken or Michael Moore fan will know, and loathe, the big mean Republican of legend; if you watch any American 24-hr news outlet or C-SPAN on a regular basis, you'll here a reference to him; if you post on political discussion boards, Rush will be a topic of conversation at least once a month; or if you start doing even minor research into Modern Republicanism the man's face will appear, pudgy and leering as always.
Uh... Fiddlebottoms... you just named a number of other talking heads. But how much influance does he actually wield in politics?

The NRA channels money, Focus on the Family gets the right motovated and prints out lists of canadates that it finds worthy... Rush does what, actually, to get money or votes that the conservative folks may not have had already?

Looking at Moore, when his movie came out and then he did that tour across America, it was said that he would whip up the left, particuarly the youth vote, but it didn't really seem to be the case. And rabid liberal consperacy theories aside, he doesn't seem to have any influance with the DNC anymore than Rush does with the GOP.

I'm not saying he isn't popular, but in actual politics does he really have any influance?

Yeah, it'd be great if you could learn about a field without ever having to so much notice the existence of a fairly major player in it. Regretfully, this is not so, and no matter what your political persuasion, if you are trying to learn about American politics you have to at least know that Rush exists.
Fiddlesticks! Rush is a bore, old news, last century. He hasn't be relevant in a long, long time.

Uh... Fiddlebottoms... you just named a number of other talking heads. But how much influance does he actually wield in politics?
Without them, the number of people voting would drop violently. Rush, Franken, and that lot are like Drill Sergeants and recruiters: Do they provide the weapons, organize the campaigns, or fight the wars? No, but without them to gather the troops/voters and harry them into formation, wars wouldn't be near as much fun.
The NRA channels money, Focus on the Family gets the right motovated and prints out lists of canadates that it finds worthy... Rush does what, actually, to get money or votes that the conservative folks may not have had already?
Rush moves money, provides a rallying point for those Conservatives (like my parents) who don't want Lou Dobbs Focusing on their Familites, and helps to bring youth into the fold.
Remember, politics isn't genetic, and people don't jsut vote one way because their parents did. Conservative families tend to stay that way because of the home environment the children are raised in. And if that environment has talk radio of a political bent playing regularly, then the kids in it will be impressed with that bent.
Looking at Moore, when his movie came out and then he did that tour across America, it was said that he would whip up the left, particuarly the youth vote, but it didn't really seem to be the case. And rabid liberal consperacy theories aside, he doesn't seem to have any influance with the DNC anymore than Rush does with the GOP.
The problem is, he tried to do it too late. Rush has been prepping the people of 'Merica (Bushism reference, harr!) for George Bush before he even knew that George Bush would be running for office. You have to get people while their young, and you have to get them through as many mediums as are available if you want good poltical drones.
I'm not saying he isn't popular, but in actual politics does he really have any influance?
If he didn't have influence, would he really be getting as many endorsement deals as he is? America is a consumerist culture, where packaging counts more than substance, and Rush knows how to package himself and he knows how to package his politics.

*SNIP*
I stand corrected then.

On another note, I think this thread should be enshrined somewhere as a textbook case on thread evolution in General, being that it went from a comment on a funny one liner to a debate about how much infulance Rush Limbaugh has... in three posts. ;)

Well, I'd say she is probably just one more youth who isn't exactly politically knowledgeable.
As a 16-year-old girl with a golf game better than most men, I doubt she has time to cultivate such knowledge. Cut the kid some slack.

Rush talks for 3 minutes and then goes away for 7 minutes of commercial. Worthless show.

As a 16-year-old girl with a golf game better than most men, I doubt she has time to cultivate such knowledge. Cut the kid some slack.

OK, at 16 I wouldn't have known who Rush Limbaugh is either so I can certainly understand.

Is this a good time to bring this up?

This is a popular site for people who want to know things ....

http://www.snopes.com/military/limbaugh.htm
When Rush Limbaugh first came of draft age he held a 2-S (college deferment) Selective Service System classification as a student at Southeast Missouri State University in 1969-70, but after he dropped out of college at the end of his first year he no longer qualified for a student deferment and was subject to being reclassified as 1-A (available immediately for military service) and drafted. Selective Service System records show that Limbaugh was reclassified as 1-Y (qualified for service only in time of [declared] war or national emergency) on 24 November 1970, which effectively ended his draft eligibility and ensured that he would not be called for service.

What was the basis of Limbaugh's 1-Y classification? The Selective Service System records still available indicate that the classification was not assigned on psychological or moral grounds, but because of a physical problem. And since there are no records indicating that Limbaugh was ever examined by a physician at an Armed Forces Entrance Examining Station (i.e., he never underwent a pre-induction physical), the 1-Y classification was almost certainly assigned based on a report Limbaugh had his own doctor prepare and submit to his draft board. (No implication that the report was fabricated is intended; the point is merely to note that Limbaugh's deferment was based upon an examination conducted by a private doctor, not one administered by an Armed Services physician.)
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When asked about this issue nowadays, Limbaugh dismisses it as "Internet BS," as in this excerpt from a transcript of a December 2002 call to his radio program:


CALLER: And Rush you never mentioned how you dodged the Vietnam draft.
LIMBAUGH: I didn't.

CALLER: Yes, you did. You claimed you had a boil on your butt . . .

LIMBAUGH: No, you see, that’s part of popular mythology that is out there that I have not whined nor complained about, Greg. But that is just a bunch of internet BS and hyperbole. Never happened. Was not the cause, wasn’t the case.

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So no, Virginia, Limbaugh was *never* a "general" in the military.

How can someone not hear of Rush? That guy is a genius, and he's right on about 99% of things. I wonder much this Wie is really smart.

How can someone not hear of Rush? That guy is a genius, and he's right on about 99% of things. I wonder much this Wie is really smart.
Considering she's 16 and can probably whip your @ss at golf (and is making the big bucks at doing so)... yes, I'd say she's got her brains in the right place.

How can someone not hear of Rush? That guy is a genius, and he's right on about 99% of things. I wonder much this Wie is really smart.
That's exactly what other rightwingers say, after they listen to him and his braindead sycophants say the exact same thing! Reciprocity!

Well I am in my 30's and I don't know who Rush Limbaugh is, and what a dumb name anyway. Did his parents hate him or something? Nobody is really called that surely?

Well I am in my 30's and I don't know who Rush Limbaugh is, and what a dumb name anyway. Did his parents hate him or something? Nobody is really called that surely?
I found "Wie" funnier, since it happens to be German for "How".

I found "Wie" funnier, since it happens to be German for "How".

True, but that is clearly a cultural difference in her being named Wie, is she Chinese? His name is just dumb. Who gets named with a Verb?

True, but that is clearly a cultural difference in her being named Wie, is she Chinese? His name is just dumb. Who gets named with a Verb?
Cultural difference :D

Well I am in my 30's and I don't know who Rush Limbaugh is, and what a dumb name anyway. Did his parents hate him or something? Nobody is really called that surely?
Probably from the same happy, hippy, reefer-smoking, bra-burning, amyl-nitrate nibbling, group-sex/magick participating, light-hearted folk that brought us that laugh riot Newt Gingrich.

Cultural difference :D

yeah...got me again...I admit defeat...I will just say I don't know who the hell he is anyway, so it doesn't matter what his parents choose to call him...poor sod.

"I was like, if I crash, the secretary of state goes down with me," the 16-year-old Hawaiian high school junior said.
Another wasted opportunity ;)

records show that Limbaugh was reclassified as 1-Y (qualified for service only in time of [declared] war or national emergency) on 24 November 1970, which effectively ended his draft eligibility and ensured that he would not be called for service.

Has anyone else heard of a 1-Y? If you weren't able to go to Nam, what would make you eligable to go to war?

I'm not saying it didn't exist, I have just never heard of it. Usually you were 1-A, on your way, or 2-S student or 1-AO Objector willing to go as medic, etc, or 1-O objector to all military, or 4-F Not eligible because of physical or mental.

There may have been others but most of us didn't know of them.

Yeah, it'd be great if you could learn about a field without ever having to so much notice the existence of a fairly major player in it. Regretfully, this is not so, and no matter what your political persuasion, if you are trying to learn about American politics you have to at least know that Rush exists.
Rush Limbaugh is not a politician. He's not a major player.

Considering she's 16 and can probably whip your @ss at golf (and is making the big bucks at doing so)... yes, I'd say she's got her brains in the right place.
thats only because I dont play golf, if I did I bet I could beat her.

thats only because I dont play golf, if I did I bet I could beat her.
now that would be a golf tourniment I would like to see. :D

And here I thought this would be about the BAND Rush. I'd golf with them, for sure.

Has anyone else heard of a 1-Y? If you weren't able to go to Nam, what would make you eligable to go to war?

I'm not saying it didn't exist, I have just never heard of it. Usually you were 1-A, on your way, or 2-S student or 1-AO Objector willing to go as medic, etc, or 1-O objector to all military, or 4-F Not eligible because of physical or mental.

There may have been others but most of us didn't know of them.
Fair question. I was WAY too young to serve then by draft or otherwise. I imagine i could do a bit of searching per your query, i don't personally know because, as i'd pointed out, the stuff i've printed was from the provided links.

I found "Wie" funnier, since it happens to be German for "How".
Uh...except that she's not German:rolleyes: .

thats only because I dont play golf, if I did I bet I could beat her.
Not on your best day, Sunny Jim. She's only barely missed the cut on two PGA men's events. You couldn't even caddy for her. Look, do I like it that some kid who wasn't alive when Tom Watson chipped in at Pebble Beach in 1982 is making more money than Solomon playing golf? No. The curmudgeon in me hates that. However, can I admit that she's ridiculously talented and has no need to know who some drug-jonesing, blowhardy demagogue is? Hell yes.