NationStates Jolt Archive

Seriously, why is it still a country? The French should absorb it. It's not even 2 sq km of land. You could easily run its perimeter of 4.75 mi. It's not even the size of a town. It even has a capital and a royal family, but its still less than 2 sq km. WTF?

If Monaco can be a country, so can my backyard! I hereby declare myself President of my backyard and secede from the United States.

Why is the Vatican still independent too? It's even smaller! WTF did they ever do for the world? Italy should absorb it.

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Because it's a sovereign state? Hell, Vatican City is smaller than that, but I don't see cries of 'Why doesn't Italy take it over???'

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Because it's a sovereign state? Hell, Vatican City is smaller than that, but I don't see cries of 'Why doesn't Italy take it over???'

;)

Yep, my first thoughts were 'what about the Vatican?' as well...
By the way...what's the major import and export of your back yard?

I hereby declare myself President of my backyard and secede from the United States.
You must like tear gas.

While we're at it:

Liechtenstien, San Marino, Andorra, Lesotho, Sikkim, etc., etc. And more small nations are on the way if Catalonia and the Basques get their way.

And more small nations are on the way if Catalonia and the Basques get their way.

They'd be bigger than all of those you mentioned, though. (and I don't think it will happen)

Oh, and Sikkim got absorbed by India.

If Monaco can be a country, so can my backyard! I hereby declare myself President of my backyard and secede from the United States.

True. I think that would be best for all of us. Everyone, or preferably small groups, communities and syndicates, would form their own "countries". They would co-operate in terms of trade and defense, naturally, but not pay taxes to the warmongering, powerthirsty Government. Viva la Revolucion Anarchista!, I'd say.

While we're at it: -snip-
Then, after that, we can work our way up to annexing Denmark, Tunisia, Panama, and every other state smaller than a neighbor. Which means that Canada would have to annex the States and Greenland. :eek:

While we're at it:

Liechtenstien, San Marino, Andorra, Lesotho, Sikkim, etc., etc. And more small nations are on the way if Catalonia and the Basques get their way.
Tax havens. Where would the world be without them?
They're also great to laugh at in the qualifying groups for the World Cup or European Championship. Though Monaco doesn't enter that. And nor does the Vatican.

While we're at it:

Liechtenstien, San Marino, Andorra, Lesotho, Sikkim, etc., etc. And more small nations are on the way if Catalonia and the Basques get their way.

And can you name one single negative thing in that sort of a development?

If Monaco can be a country, so can my backyard! I hereby declare myself President of my backyard and secede from the United States.
Hurrah for Petoria!

Then, after that, we can work our way up to annexing Denmark, Tunisia, Panama, and every other state smaller than a neighbor. Which means that Canada would have to annex the States and Greenland. :eek:
And England could annex Wales! Oh, wait...we did that 1000 years ago...

While we're at it:

Liechtenstien, San Marino, Andorra, Lesotho, Sikkim, etc., etc. And more small nations are on the way if Catalonia and the Basques get their way.


Sikkkim is not an independant country.

Sikkkim is not an independant country.

Used to be, though.

I don't have any problems with small nations, except this one:

Why is the Vatican still independent too? It's even smaller! WTF did they ever do for the world? Italy should absorb it.
Nah... why would any sane person want to absorb them?
They should just carpet bomb those Vatican retards from the map! :D

And England could annex Wales! Oh, wait...we did that 1000 years ago...
You were impearialist pigs then already. :(

Seriously, why is it still a country? The French should absorb it. It's not even 2 sq km of land. You could easily run its perimeter of 4.75 mi. It's not even the size of a town. It even has a capital and a royal family, but its still less than 2 sq km. WTF?

If Monaco can be a country, so can my backyard! I hereby declare myself President of my backyard and secede from the United States.

Because Monaco has been independent long enough that they have the right to be independent, and they don't want to join with France?

If France really wanted it, they could conquer it, I'm sure, but between the amount of people who would be angry and the fact that the rest of Europe could collectively kick France's @$!, I don't really see that happening.

And England could annex Wales! Oh, wait...we did that 1000 years ago...
Good job. They speak English yet?

And England could annex Wales! Oh, wait...we did that 1000 years ago...

And we still regret it to this day...

Then, after that, we can work our way up to annexing Denmark, Tunisia, Panama, and every other state smaller than a neighbor. Which means that Canada would have to annex the States and Greenland. :eek:
oOoOo... and then Brazil can annex most of south america and then we'd have a race to annex as much of central america and the carribean as possible.

Hell, we're already close to peacefully annexing Turks and Cacos. They want to be part of Canada. :)

They'd be bigger than all of those you mentioned, though. (and I don't think it will happen)

Oh, and Sikkim got absorbed by India.
Oops. My bad. I have an old world map that I keep because it's old and stuff. Thanks for the update.

What's wrong with every ethnic group demanding their own nation? Balkanization, for one thing. Having to memorize a dozen new nations and capitals and flags and, and, well, dammit, think of the cost in new stationery at the UN alone!

Hell, we're already close to peacefully annexing Turks and Cacos. They want to be part of Canada. :)

THAT would be cool. Caribbean hedonism and Canadian responsibility? Paradise.

There's no point. Give it to Britain.

Good job. They speak English yet?
Yep, but they now have this crazy idea that they should be allowed to govern themselves, and speak their own language. Disgraceful.

And we still regret it to this day...
Yes. Yes we do.

They want to be part of Canada.
Just like how Ethipoia wants the borders of Russia to keep it warm at night. ;)

The point of Monaco is to annoy the rest of Europe, obviously.

It should apply to be the 51st State in the US. That would be exceedingly annoying to the whole world, including the US.

Then, after that, we can work our way up to annexing Denmark, Tunisia, Panama, and every other state smaller than a neighbor. Which means that Canada would have to annex the States and Greenland. :eek:

Fine by me! Government with prinicples for a change.

Besides, don't laugh at Greenland -- if the glaciers keep melting, it's gonna be prime real estate in our lifetimes.

Yep, but they now have this crazy idea that they should be allowed to govern themselves, and speak their own language. Disgraceful.
Anything language other than English is just a foul noise.
Sounds American. :p

Then, after that, we can work our way up to annexing Denmark, Tunisia, Panama, and every other state smaller than a neighbor. Which means that Canada would have to annex the States and Greenland. :eek:
Wich means that we will all be Russians very soon

Wich means that we will all be Russians very soon
That depends where you are. I'd be Canadian. I think there'd be two camps, seeing as to how Canada is number two in territory.

That depends where you are. I'd be Canadian. I think there'd be two camps, seeing as to how Canada is number two in territory.
What would happen to Australia?

Urr...Seeing as Monaco is a PRINCIPALITY OF FRANCE...it is technically part of France.

The same as the Principality of Wales is part of England. Actually, England and Wales are technically the same country...so Wales couldn't be part of England because England and Wales are the same...*confused self*

England And Wales Act 1536 I think...

What would happen to Australia?
The kangaroos organize and take over. Kiwis and sheep follow suit on New Zeeland.

They're also great to laugh at in the qualifying groups for the World Cup or European Championship. Though Monaco doesn't enter that. And nor does the Vatican.
Which, if they did would probably provide no end of laughter for all in attendance.

Think about it.

I'm starting to laugh already.

Seriously, why is it still a country? The French should absorb it. It's not even 2 sq km of land. You could easily run its perimeter of 4.75 mi. It's not even the size of a town. It even has a capital and a royal family, but its still less than 2 sq km. WTF?

If Monaco can be a country, so can my backyard! I hereby declare myself President of my backyard and secede from the United States.
You are not allowed to secede! [ shoots yer azz ]

Monaco? In a word: economics. It's a playground for the wealthy, with high-stakes casinos, etc. The money flows in and winds up as capital investment in many European countries via Swiss Banks.

Fine by me! Government with prinicples for a change.

Besides, don't laugh at Greenland -- if the glaciers keep melting, it's gonna be prime real estate in our lifetimes.

Cool. Then we can hold mallemaroking festivals in comfort.:D

Which, if they did would probably provide no end of laughter for all in attendance.

Think about it.

I'm starting to laugh already.

Isn't the pope the only actual citizen of Vatican City?

Nah... why would any sane person want to absorb them?
They should just carpet bomb those Vatican retards from the map! :D

I like your style! Would you like to be defence minister of my new nation, the Ultra-Sexy Dicktatorship of Bakyardistan?

The point of Monaco is to give the rich a chance to become even more rich.

Why is the Vatican still independent too? It's even smaller! WTF did they ever do for the world? Italy should absorb it.
I agree on that too...I should've brought that up.
Yep, my first thoughts were 'what about the Vatican?' as well...
By the way...what's the major import and export of your back yard?
Two pinecones and a squirrel pelt. There is also an adjacent swimming pool. *annexes neighbor's swimming pool*

If France really wanted it, they could conquer it,
So could 12 armed thugs and a cow.

Just like how Ethipoia wants the borders of Russia to keep it warm at night. ;)
Have you wiretapped me?

Isn't the pope the only actual citizen of Vatican City?
No, theres 899 Swiss Guards, musicians, monks(who don't talk), and whatnot. Are there any women though?

Isn't the pope the only actual citizen of Vatican City?

kind of. some of his retinue/other vatican internal people and the swiss guards actually resides inside the limits. it has about 80% population that works there and lives outside of it.

kind of like andorra, with a 50% pop boost during tourism season :p .

kind of. some of his retinue/other vatican internal people and the swiss guards actually resides inside the limits. it has about 80% population that works there and lives outside of it.

kind of like andorra, with a 50% pop boost during tourism season :p .

I don't know that I'd like to play against the swiss guards...

I don't know that I'd like to play against the swiss guards...

imagine that uniform. . . (http://users.adelphia.net/~cgleason678/honeymoon/hm4.html#pictures2)

I don't know that I'd like to play against the swiss guards...
No?
http://emagazine.credit-suisse.com/article/index.cfm?fuseaction=OpenArticle&aoid=56014&lang=EN

the guards have yet to win the Vatican championship

How? Surely they're the only team there? Do they play against nuns or something?

Hurrah for Petoria!
FAMILY GUY!! :D :D

Whatever happened to the digging a huge cave and proclaiming it as an independant state idea?

No, theres 899 Swiss Guards, musicians, monks(who don't talk), and whatnot. Are there any women though?

wrong on the guards part. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Guard

The force is specifically limited to one hundred soldiers and consists of four officers, 23 NCOs, 70 halberdiers, 2 drummers, and a chaplain, all with an equivalent Italian army rank. Not only are the guards fully trained and equipped in modern weaponry and tactics, they also receive instructions in using the sword and halberd.

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Because it's a sovereign state? Hell, Vatican City is smaller than that, but I don't see cries of 'Why doesn't Italy take it over???'
Why doesn't Italy take Vatican City over?

Because Italian men are like pirates; they crave booty, and there aint no booty in Vatican city.

Because Italian men are like pirates; they crave booty, and there aint no booty in Vatican city.
Their economy is entirely supported by donation, I wish I was supported by donation. That is I wish I could sit on money people send me.

er, to put the question in a slightly different way: why on earth shouldn't Monaco exist as a nation? Is there now a minimum size requirement?

Is there now a minimum size requirement?
Yes. It must be the size of France.

For the same reason Egypt doesnt "absorb" Israel.

Eh, let them be. The princess of Monaco is a fox!

wrong on the guards part. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Guard
I was saying altogether 899 other than the pope. I remember reading in an almanac a few years back they had 810 people and then a year or two ago, it grew to 890 and now 900 something.

Urr...Seeing as Monaco is a PRINCIPALITY OF FRANCE...it is technically part of France.

The same as the Principality of Wales is part of England. Actually, England and Wales are technically the same country...so Wales couldn't be part of England because England and Wales are the same...*confused self*

England And Wales Act 1536 I think...


Er, no. England is England. Wales is Wales. Two separate countries, see? We're all joined together in a constitutional monarchy/unitary policy called "The United Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" sooooo


UK = England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales & various random territories (like Gibraltar)

Great Britain = Scotland, Wales, England

Everybody knows that Monaco, San Marino, and Luxembourg only exist so the FIA has an excuse to give France, Italy, and Germany (respectively) a second Formula One Grand Prix.

Er, no. England is England. Wales is Wales. Two separate countries, see? We're all joined together in a constitutional monarchy/unitary policy called "The United Kingdom Of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" sooooo


UK = England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales & various random territories (like Gibraltar)

Great Britain = Scotland, Wales, England

Nah, as far as I know, Wales is legally a principality of England. Culturally and politicaly it's not, but according to the law it is. Has been since King Edward I of England more or less annexed it.

were it not for the fact that I think my family'd be terrible at fighting, I'd totally succeed. Why'd I get cursed with a nerdy, 'I can't tell an AK-47 from a pistol' brother, instead of a normal, violent brother?

Mmmm. Pancakes!

Nah, as far as I know, Wales is legally a principality of England. Culturally and politicaly it's not, but according to the law it is. Has been since King Edward I of England more or less annexed it.

Yeah, wales is in england. The welsh tell themselves its a real country but its just a county. incidentally over 50% of the population of wales is retired english people who moved there for the quiet. Retired from work. not from being english.

Monaco is cool. if it was part of france people there would have to pay taxes. as it is its a cool place we can all aspire to live one day.

Mmmm. Pancakes!
i think they forgot about us pancake people.

Yeah, wales is in england. The welsh tell themselves its a real country but its just a county.
...Wales isn't a county. Powys is a county, Gwent is a county. Wales isn't a county. It's a Principality.

The point of Monaco is to give the rich a chance to become even more rich.
Yeah. Monaco shouldn't exist. Think of how much richer France would be with those people paying taxes.

Yeah, wales is in england. The welsh tell themselves its a real country but its just a county.

No, Wales is a country, sorry to disappoint you.

i think they forgot about us pancake people.

That was something I could not allow. For the Pancakes. *nod*

If Monaco can be a country, so can my backyard! I hereby declare myself President of my backyard and secede from the United States.
Can you legally do that? :eek:
If you can, I am so totally buying a few hunnid acres and make it a vacation spot for stoners and teens wanting to get drunk!

Legalized weed country will live forever!

heh. I think I just explained Canada..

Welp.. VIVA CANADA JR!

No, Wales is a country, sorry to disappoint you.
Nope, it was legally annexed by England with the Laws in Wales Act 1535. Wales is legally part of England. Same legal jurisdiction etc., whereas Scotland and Northern Ireland have their own legal systems and aren't legally part of England.

No, Wales is a country, sorry to disappoint you.
It's really not. You might want it to be its own country, but that's another argument for another day.

Can you legally do that? :eek:
If you can, I am so totally buying a few hunnid acres and make it a vacation spot for stoners and teens wanting to get drunk!

Legalized weed country will live forever!
I don't even need to declare my own country for that:)

If Monaco can be a country, so can my backyard! I hereby declare myself President of my backyard and secede from the United States.

Then prepare for 4 years of civil war 'cos they won't let you.

Would Monaco be better off being absorbed by France? That’s the real question. As it is the rich and social elite get to make use of Monaco as a playground without all that interfering regulation and taxation. The French Revolutionaries annexed Monaco, something about not liking neighbouring royals. They’ve been independent since 1861 after bribing the French with half their land and a lot of coin. That land had all of the natural resources (oops) so after that Monaco has made its way by tourism and gambling.

Monaco may be a constitutional monarchy, but they’ve got a weird system of choosing governments. No elections (must be terrorists!). The French government gives the Monaco royal family a list of three people to choose from as their Minister of State. The ruling council is still under the authority of the monarch, but I’d have to say the people get the shaft in this system. France could annex them any time they wanted to. All of Monaco’s defence is French, so it really wouldn’t take much. Obviously the French elite considers it more valuable to maintain a state of hedonism where the EU can’t get at their bank accounts.

I’m not big on maintaining separate states for the pure and simple reason to make a haven for gambling and organized crime (apparently the citizens of Cuba didn’t think it was all that hot either or Batista would still be there).

The Bruce

You must like tear gas.

No, he just loves "Family Guy" (the Peteria episode) and hates being able to go anywhere without a passport, turn a knob and get running water, plug in appliances and get electricity into them.

Unless you can either get the money for all of those industries independently, or produce them yourself, you're stuck if you're a tiny landlocked country bordered on all sides by the united states.

Monaco benifits from attracting the rich and having a port. Sel Appa's backyard probably has neither.

It's really not. You might want it to be its own country, but that's another argument for another day.

Well well, a little research and I learn that you're right, Wales isn't actually a country. It also appears that neither are England, Scotland or Northern Ireland.

Huh, you learn something new everyday.

Well well, a little research and I learn that you're right, Wales isn't actually a country. It also appears that neither are England, Scotland or Northern Ireland.

Huh, you learn something new everyday.

I’m still holding out for a rematch at Culloden.

There's no point. Give it to Britain.

Ah yes!

The Gibraltor solution.

http://www.digsmagazine.com/images/nourisharticles/pancakes.jpg

That's all I have to say.

True. I think that would be best for all of us. Everyone, or preferably small groups, communities and syndicates, would form their own "countries". They would co-operate in terms of trade and defense, naturally, but not pay taxes to the warmongering, powerthirsty Government. Viva la Revolucion Anarchista!, I'd say.

That's how it was in the early days, actually. Each state was it's own nation. However, it was clear this wasn't a good idea when the government couldn't even quell a small mob of disgruntled farmers. Thus lead to United States from the Confederate States.

History lesson over, have a nice day.

Urr...Seeing as Monaco is a PRINCIPALITY OF FRANCE...it is technically part of France.


Nope, it's a sovereign nation. There's an agreement whereby France will annex it if ever its dynastic line dies out, though. It's been independent since the 13th century, I think, although I could be wrong on that.


Isn't the pope the only actual citizen of Vatican City?


No, it has a population of about 800, of which roughly half are citizens.

It also has the distinction of being one of Europe's last remaining dictatorships, along with Belarus. :D

Oh, and to answer the question, there's no earthly reason why Monaco shouldn't exist. It has its own history, culture, institutions, customs and national pride.

No, he just loves "Family Guy" (the Peteria episode) and hates being able to go anywhere without a passport, turn a knob and get running water, plug in appliances and get electricity into them.

Unless you can either get the money for all of those industries independently, or produce them yourself, you're stuck if you're a tiny landlocked country bordered on all sides by the united states.

Monaco benifits from attracting the rich and having a port. Sel Appa's backyard probably has neither.
I hate Family Guy. How about this: The American Depencency of My Backyard ?

Also, who says I have to fight a war? I doubt the US would care if I seceded...if the wholecountry started seceding, then they might care.

I've always wondered the same thing about Rhode Island, Connecticut, Maryland, and Delaware. And Prince Edward Island, for that matter.

What's the matter? You think kids don't have a hard enough time learning geography as it is without people making up random states/provinces/countries?

the only country in the world that can be destroyed by a hand grenade.

the only country in the world that can be destroyed by a hand grenade.
lmao...you're referring to Monaco right?

It could become a big race to see which country could absorb the most other countries as quickly as possible without regurgitating them. The winner owns the world.

Oh, wait, we tried that already. Several times if I'm not mistaken. It never seems to work for very long. People are so unreasonable, they just don't want to be conquered.

I don't know why people insist on large countries. There isn't any sort of minimum size requirement or anything. In fact, I think most of the nations of the world are far too large and should dissolve into much smaller, more managable republics.

I was saying altogether 899 other than the pope. I remember reading in an almanac a few years back they had 810 people and then a year or two ago, it grew to 890 and now 900 something.
It's 921 according to the CIA World Factbook.

It's 921 according to the CIA World Factbook.




how can altar boys and priests reproduce?? IE how can that number be rising?

how can altar boys and priests reproduce?? IE how can that number be rising?
Dem' damn immigrants takin' dem' jobs in the Vatican.

Wouldn't have this problem if I ruled the world. Got the whole thing mapped out.

how can altar boys and priests reproduce?? IE how can that number be rising?
Well, there are all sorts of stories about the naughty priests and nuns. Chaucer wrote a lot of them. ;)

The point of Monaco?

That'd be that little piece of land just south of the port that sticks out into the Mediteranean. Y'know where the Avenue Saint-Martin takes swings around and becomes the Avenue De La Port-Neuve. :cool:

The point of Monaco?

That'd be that little piece of land just south of the port that sticks out into the Mediteranean. Y'know where the Avenue Saint-Martin takes swings around and becomes the Avenue De La Port-Neuve. :cool:
Ah... no... no... That would be "Where the bloody hell is the point of Monaco?" The question is "What the bloody hell is the point of Monaco?"

See the difference? :D
*Yes, I'm being a smart ass*

Seriously, why is it still a country? The French should absorb it. It's not even 2 sq km of land. You could easily run its perimeter of 4.75 mi. It's not even the size of a town. It even has a capital and a royal family, but its still less than 2 sq km. WTF?

If Monaco can be a country, so can my backyard! I hereby declare myself President of my backyard and secede from the United States.

be carefull what you wish for...you may have black helicopters there sooner then you would like...lol

I'd actually like to see more small, city state sized countries. You know nations whose representative governments could actually represent their populaces, instead of say trying to satisfy 300,000,000 with a few hundred representatives. They might even try out direct democracy like the Swiss.

*hears mutters of "blasphemy"!*

I'd actually like to see more small, city state sized countries. You know nations whose representative governments could actually represent their populaces, instead of say trying to satisfy 300,000,000 with a few hundred representatives. They might even try out direct democracy like the Swiss.

*hears mutters of "blasphemy"!*

*applause*

I'd actually like to see more small, city state sized countries. You know nations whose representative governments could actually represent their populaces, instead of say trying to satisfy 300,000,000 with a few hundred representatives. They might even try out direct democracy like the Swiss.

*hears mutters of "blasphemy"!*

Heretic!

Burn him!

No point comparing the Vatican and Monaco. The Vatican maybe small, but the Papalcy does own land outside it's own little state. In the past, the Vatican owned much more land and had a few armies too.

Monaco is a nice gambling haven for the rich ..

how can altar boys and priests reproduce?? IE how can that number be rising?
Asexually?

Wouldn't have this problem if I ruled the world. Got the whole thing mapped out.
And killed all the Muslims? Sure, go right ahead...until you are blown up by a suicide bomber...:P

It's interesting how many people want to rule the world...and then you see how few actually plan to do it...

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Because it's a sovereign state? Hell, Vatican City is smaller than that, but I don't see cries of 'Why doesn't Italy take it over???'
Or San Marino. Andorra. Liechtenstein.

Or San Marino. Andorra. Liechtenstein.
I thought Liechtenstein was bigger than Monaco?

I thought Liechtenstein was bigger than Monaco?
It is. But still. It has almost the same number of inhabitants.

I don't know why people insist on large countries. There isn't any sort of minimum size requirement or anything.

Because people are ignorant. Anyone puzzled about the "validity" of Monaco's sovereignty is merely displaying a complete lack of historical and cultural awareness, as well as of international politics. They see a small country, somehow think it's abnormal because it's not what they're used to, and merely react instead of thinking.

The simple fact is that the people of Monaco have a sense of Monegasque nationality and uniqueness, and quite rightly don't give a flying hoot what anyone outside Monaco "thinks" on the topic.

I think small countries rock myself.

I once started my own little country, wrote a letter to the queen and everything declaring my independance.

While we're at it:

Liechtenstien, San Marino, Andorra, Lesotho, Sikkim, etc., etc. And more small nations are on the way if Catalonia and the Basques get their way.

¿?

What a fame! Be aware about that the pre choice/pro life threads could be changed for pro/anti Catalonia threads.*



*I'd vote pancakes. :D

And killed all the Muslims? Sure, go right ahead...until you are blown up by a suicide bomber...:P

No, just phase out the religion.