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Let's do a thought experiment.

Suppose that sometime in the next couple of years someone develops an inexpensive FTL ( faster than light ) drive that puts offworld immigration within reach of any significant group of people. A great mass migration begins, with thousands of groups deciding to practice their own particular brand of culture, religion, politics, sexual proclivities, or what have you, on another world.

Assumptions:

* There are sufficient earthlike worlds to support a group of whatever size.

* There are no sentient aliens and the alien life you do find is all relatively benign.

* Resources are not a problem on any of the worlds.

* A group can take whatever technology with them they think they may need.

* No group can be smaller than the minimum required for sufficient genetic diversity to avoid mutations. For argument's sake, do not make your group less than 2,000 people.

Given all of the above, create an off-earth society. It can be based on anything you like, and may be serious or not as you choose.

The only limitation is that your society must, in fact, work. And you must explain how it sustains itself from an economic, political and cultural standpoint.

Anyone game? :)

Sounds cool, but I'm so incredibly lazy.

Hmm...are we assuming said FTL method has some way of not causing paradoxes?

Hmm...are we assuming said FTL method has some way of not causing paradoxes?

Not to mention freaky temporal mishaps, and rifts in the space-time continuum.

Not to mention freaky temporal mishaps, and rifts in the space-time continuum.

There's not usually any real reason FTL would cause that. It's mostly just the paradox issue.

There's not usually any real reason FTL would cause that. It's mostly just the paradox issue.

Oh? And here I was, thinking you'd have all these relativistic temporal effects and curvatures of space...

Oh? And here I was, thinking you'd have all these relativistic temporal effects and curvatures of space...

Most FTL concepts have some way to avoid that stuff. It's the paradoxes that are just about unavoidable.

Anyway, this is a rather silly argument. As to the point of this thead...

I'm thinking a lush, green world. The place has various alien fruit trees, and occasional ruins of mysterious hieroglyphics (we can't have sentient aliens around then, but I'm going to bend the rules and have some extinct ones.) Caches of mysterious technology are buried beneath the surface. The original colonists, looking for an idyllic paradise, ended up swamped by enthusiastic archaeologists.

Well, then, I'm thinking of a magical planet where we would live off magic.

Just the basics, because I'm too lazy to spend a very long time going more in depth.

A few starting principles:

1. Individual sovereignty. All decisions solely or for all practical purposes solely affecting one adult individual in the community are under the control of that individual.
2. Mutual sovereignty. All decisions solely or for all practical purposes solely affecting two or more adult individuals in the community are under the control of those individuals, assuming unanimous consent.
3. Collective sovereignty. All decisions affecting the community or a portion of the community as a whole, that cannot be effectively or efficiently reduced to individual or mutual sovereignty, are under the democratic control of those affected. The majority rules.
4. Egalitarianism. All adult human beings will be equal under the law, irrelevantly of arbitrary differences like race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc. Only behavior and capability will matter.
5. Social ownership of social production (socialism). Since the economy will involve collective effort and collective costs, the ownership, and therefore the benefits, will also be collectivized under principles (2) and (3).
6. Anarchism. In accordance with real democratic principle, government would be participatory, grass-roots, direct self-government.

Because of the egalitarian democratic nature of the system, the selfishness of each individual will be restrained by the selfishness of every other individual. Since the people who make the decisions are also the ones affected by them, they will attempt to make the best decisions, and even if they do not, they will be the ones to suffer.

Labor would be rewarded and proceeds distributed according to a system organized by the "government." Again, this will work because the government is organized on the basis of equality and self-government - every person's interest is restrained by every other person's interest, and the people responsible for decisions are the ones affected by the decisions. They are accountable to themselves.

The maximization of liberty under this system (1, 2, 3, 4) will allow for a free culture to develop, one only restrained by human needs, and only to the degree that the people themselves choose to restrain it.

Off topic within 3 posts. Impressive.

I'd think I'd take 2,000 to 10,000 people who are volunteers here on Earth. We'd run a mixed economy. Some things state-run because something just wouldn't work well if they had to compete in a population of around 5,000. We'd have a system of direct democracy, but with a constitution limiting the population from growing (about 2.1 children per female). Hopefully the small size of the population should keep group tensions from becoming too big. I'd also take communications technology to make the system of direct democracy easy to facilitate. I'd also take technology that would aid in a broad education so that people would be able to have a wide understanding of the world around and be able to do as Marx put it 'to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, [and] criticise after dinner'. I don't want to suffer any adverse effects of alienation that Marx talked of or mental mutilation that Smith talked of. I think that's it. That should contribute to a fairly peaceful society.

(I think Eut's point was that you can create an isolated community made up of select individuals, and no one will bother you because they've got everything they need.)

1. Individual sovereignty. 2. Mutual sovereignty. 3. Collective sovereignty.That's a good concept, but I see the most important thing for a society is to be small. I think a society functions much better if people know the people around them. That you personally know who made your shoes. That you have seen the effort they put in. That you can thank them for maing the shoes personally. That they know the person for whom they are making the shoes. That they are personally thanked for their effort. I think these things contribute to a peaceful and mutally respectful society society where rules don't need to be codified (Yes, I know I'm being hypcritcal with respect to my last post, but I just wanted to make clear that I wanted the population to stay small).

In larger societies I can see your concept being misused by individuals, being subject to underhanded politics.

In larger societies I can see your concept being misused by individuals, being subject to underhanded politics.

Well, nothing's perfect.

Larger societies would probably necessitate more centralization than I'm comfortable with, but the basic principles would remain the same.

Well, I'd take my 2000 people to a new world called 'Appalachia' or what the residents will happily refer to as 'Hillbillyworld'.

There are several important rules in Hillbillyworld;

1) Industrialization is Illegal. Any attempts to create something through the process of machinery will result in a lynchin'.

2) The 2000 people will be split up into 20 clans, each of which must be kept secluded and separate enough to create significantly different pockets of 'civilization'.

3) Each clan will decide things at a group convention called a 'ho-down'. No one must stand on ceremony, and banjo's and whistlin-jugs are encouraged. Dancing with your cousin is encouraged.

4) Legal disputes will be settled by dueling banjos. The winner of said contest will be determined by who the jury 'hoots' loudest for.

5) It will be customary to raid other clans for womenfolk, but it is to be expected that if you get caught, you will be forced to 'take off them thar panties' and 'squeal like a pig'. If you have a 'perty mouth', you're better off procreating with your sister.

6) The currency shall henceforth be called The Clampett.

The only limitation is that your society must, in fact, work. And you must explain how it sustains itself from an economic, political and cultural standpoint.

Anyone game? :)
I would like to see a communist society be attempted.

Hmm...are we assuming said FTL method has some way of not causing paradoxes?
yes

I would like to see a communist society be attempted.
We need a bit more than just that. How would it work? How would it be structured? What about sefishness and greed?

Good stuff, people! Very interesting, and some humorous. :)

What about a society based on education, curiosity and reason? Would that work? If so, how would it operate?

I would like to see a communist society be attempted.

I posted a socialist model, one that I deliberately designed to be flexible - certainly flexible enough to allow certain aspects of communism in as they become viable.

Get a bunch of angry space bikers, and a bunch of commies. Stick the space bikers on a space station orbiting the planet, with a honkin' big laser cannon pointed at it, and bring the hippies down to form an anarchocommunist society. Every month or so send a huge amount of beer up to the space station.

Every time somebody decides to pick on the hippies, let the space bikers know that their supply of free beer if being threatened.

Let's do a thought experiment.

Suppose that sometime in the next couple of years someone develops an inexpensive FTL ( faster than light ) drive that puts offworld immigration within reach of any significant group of people. A great mass migration begins, with thousands of groups deciding to practice their own particular brand of culture, religion, politics, sexual proclivities, or what have you, on another world.

Assumptions:

* There are sufficient earthlike worlds to support a group of whatever size.

* There are no sentient aliens and the alien life you do find is all relatively benign.

* Resources are not a problem on any of the worlds.

* A group can take whatever technology with them they think they may need.

* No group can be smaller than the minimum required for sufficient genetic diversity to avoid mutations. For argument's sake, do not make your group less than 2,000 people.

Given all of the above, create an off-earth society. It can be based on anything you like, and may be serious or not as you choose.

The only limitation is that your society must, in fact, work. And you must explain how it sustains itself from an economic, political and cultural standpoint.

Anyone game? :)
Meh.. I'll pick communism and be corrupt.

Get a bunch of angry space bikers, and a bunch of commies. Stick the space bikers on a space station orbiting the planet, with a honkin' big laser cannon pointed at it, and bring the hippies down to form an anarchocommunist society. Every month or so send a huge amount of beer up to the space station.

Every time somebody decides to pick on the hippies, let the space bikers know that their supply of free beer if being threatened.
ROFLMAO! Talk about some frustrated bikers! Whew! :D

I would start by finding a fairly warm planet with lots of forests and meadows, or potential for forests and meadows (We would make them if we must). If the forests have their on inhabitants (stupid lil forest creatures) we would figure which ones are a) taste and b) not toxic and make lunch out of them. Otherwise we would bring our own elk, deer, foxes, moose, fish, rabits, beavers, and start hunting. I would be the unquestionned leader, but much of that would be because everyonewould be pretty happy with me. Our communication technology would be based largely upon wireless internet (VOIP would be used instead of regular phones, TV broadcasted over the internet). Everyone would be quite computer literate and computer based industry would be rather huge. While (sport) hunting would provide one with food, much of people's diets would be vegitarian based. If we have to bring our own crops to survive, we would take measures to provent them from mingling with the wild vegitation; this would probably entail building greenhouses and growing all crops inside. Geneticly modified crops will be used, too. For no particularly useful reason we would use the cyrillic alphabet.

I don't know exactly what type of government it would be, but something along the lines of:


The planet would be divided into areas of approximately equal populations comprised of four straight lines (no weird gerrymandering). Each area should represent no more than 20000 people or no less than 1/100 of the planet's total population.
Each district would get nineteen representatives to a governmental body that decides upon any laws to be passed. The representatives are to be elected proportionately.
Voting will be done with touch-screen Diebold machines to ensure fairness. :)
Voters can repeal any choice made by their representatives. If 1/10 of a district disagrees with the result agreed upon by their representatives, they can call a district-wide vote. The results of that vote will decide what choice the representatives make.
Education would be free from the kindergarden to university level.
Each family would be guarenteed a house with as many rooms as there are members of the family, a bathroom, a TV, a computer with internet access, and as many daily pounds of food as there are members of the family.
Medical care will be free for all.
The amount of money that each job pays is decided by the amount of people who are qualified to do that job. Pay would be exponentially proportional to total population / people qualified to do job, with a limit set at 1/100, which would correspond to making 5 times what 1/1 makes.
Anything that does not harm another self-conscious person without their non-coerced consent is legal.
Anybody may start a business, but a business cannot generate a profit of over 5 times what the lowest-paid job makes. Excess profits are given to the government.
Guns are completely banned.
The government is required to provide the basic necessities of life to everyone.

Anybody may start a business, but a business cannot generate a profit of over 5 times what the lowest-paid job makes. Excess profits are given to the government.
Would it be legal to start paying your employees more than five times what the lowest paying job is just to aviod paying to the government? Even if it is something menial like a janator or cashier?

What about a society based on education, curiosity and reason? Would that work? If so, how would it operate?

I suppose one could build a society wherein all of the major decisions are decided upon by a council of educators. Educators would appoint a Philosopher King to arbitrate and direct efforts, and any person in any trade or line of work could work towards being an educator in their trade.

I think it would work well. I'd bet 20 Clampetts on it.

Would it be legal to start paying your employees more than five times what the lowest paying job is just to aviod paying to the government? Even if it is something menial like a janator or cashier?

The government pays your employees -- you just hire them. Of course, the government has to approve your business as legitimate first.

Would it be legal to start paying your employees more than five times what the lowest paying job is just to aviod paying to the government? Even if it is something menial like a janator or cashier?
Perhaps not, but who the hell would complain? :D

I suppose one could build a society wherein all of the major decisions are decided upon by a council of educators. Educators would appoint a Philosopher King to arbitrate and direct efforts, and any person in any trade or line of work could work towards being an educator in their trade.

I think it would work well. I'd bet 20 Clampetts on it.
Socrates (? ) came up with something similar in his "Philosopher/Kings" concept. Kudos to you if you came up with it all on your lil lonesome. :)

Get a bunch of angry space bikers, and a bunch of commies. Stick the space bikers on a space station orbiting the planet, with a honkin' big laser cannon pointed at it, and bring the hippies down to form an anarchocommunist society. Every month or so send a huge amount of beer up to the space station.

Every time somebody decides to pick on the hippies, let the space bikers know that their supply of free beer if being threatened.

Brilliant!! Perfect Co-Existence!! (Do the bikers get to go down to the planet for some of the free lovin', or are they limited to the space-station biker chicks?)

Socrates (? ) came up with something similar in his "Philosopher/Kings" concept. Kudos to you if you came up with it all on your lil lonesome. :)

Socrates or Plato? Either way, can't claim credit for it. Knew the basics. I wonder if you could create a colony of philosophers without relying on other colonies to supply their basic needs though?

Perhaps not, but who the hell would complain? :D
*raises hand*

It's still not enough.

Think the SEEDs project from Trigun. All races, and people moving to a new planet....just ignore the whole destruction of the project and almost extinction of humanity. :P

Given human nature, there doesn't seem to be any 100% foolproof way for a society to be structured. There have been a multitude of "utopian" societies ( as well as "dystopian" ones ) proposed, but they seldom work as planned.

The ideal form, if people could ever be cured of greed and the other ills to which humanity is prone, would be classical communism coupled with direct democracy, but we all know what happened almost every time that has been tried: the gangsters take over.

Same thing with anarchy.

I've played with the idea of a society whose political leaders are chosen by lot from among the general population, with the people having the power of recall when things don't work out. For serious emergencies, such as major natural disasters or war, there could be provision for a temporary takeover of the powers of government by specially trained leaders who would hold power only for the duration of the emergency, with stipulations that failure to return power to the earlier leaders would result in execution. After that, it gets rather complicated, with the need for serious educational programs to effectively indoctrinate the young, designing an economy that maximizes productivity while still compensating people fairly, etc. This plan has holes in it as well.

This has been an interesting exercise though. Feel free to propose even more utopias and funny-opias. :D

Socrates or Plato? Either way, can't claim credit for it. Knew the basics. I wonder if you could create a colony of philosophers without relying on other colonies to supply their basic needs though?
Perhaps philosophers who work at a trade or other gainful employment most of the time? Ever heard of Eric Hoffer? :)

*raises hand*

It's still not enough.
Robber-baron! :mp5:

Mankind is flawed. We don't accept that either, to be cured of such things means evolving or transcending our humanity.

I suppose one could build a society wherein all of the major decisions are decided upon by a council of educators. Educators would appoint a Philosopher King to arbitrate and direct efforts, and any person in any trade or line of work could work towards being an educator in their trade.

I think it would work well. I'd bet 20 Clampetts on it.

what are clampetts?

Perhaps philosophers who work at a trade or other gainful employment most of the time? Ever heard of Eric Hoffer? :)

Never heard of Hoffer until now, and looked him up. Did you reference him because you view him as a 'working man's philosopher', or his seeming disrespect for academics and intellectuals which would put him at odds with an 'educator's state'?

Either way, sounds like 'The True Believer' would be a good read.

what are clampetts?

The currency of Hillbillyworld. (see above...)

Never heard of Hoffer until now, and looked him up. Did you reference him because you view him as a 'working man's philosopher', or his seeming disrespect for academics and intellectuals which would put him at odds with an 'educator's state'?

Either way, sounds like 'The True Believer' would be a good read.
He's .... interesting. At one point I had his entire series of little books. He comes close to being what we discussed about philosophers who work full or almost full time. You are correct about his latent anti-intellectualism though. Something I consider to be a bit off-putting.

Well, I'd take my 2000 people to a new world called 'Appalachia' or what the residents will happily refer to as 'Hillbillyworld'.

There are several important rules in Hillbillyworld;

4) Legal disputes will be settled by dueling banjos. The winner of said contest will be determined by who the jury 'hoots' loudest for.

I like this country. Can I join?

5) It will be customary to raid other clans for womenfolk, but it is to be expected that if you get caught, you will be forced to 'take off them thar panties' and 'squeal like a pig'. If you have a 'perty mouth', you're better off procreating with your sister.

*whimper*...i don't like this country so much anymore...*tries to flee in terror*

6) The currency shall henceforth be called The Clampett.

aha. Can I have some Clampetts?

This has been an interesting exercise though. Feel free to propose even more utopias and funny-opias. :D
OK then I will continue my Utopia for Posi.

As stated in my last post, we will use the Cyrillic alphabet. We will speak English but for the sake of wierd use a different aphabet. Also, know that unpronouncable symbol that Prince changed his name to? This one. (http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~nelberg/Prince-logo.gif)This We will add a pronounciation to that symbol. It shall be pronounced 'Prince'. It shall be the planets name. The symbol will be used when writing the planet's name, and the artist's name, but not a royalty prince.

The population will be kept between 5,000 and 10,000 through immigration controls, a One Child Policy (when the pop is high), and a Weekly Orgy Policy (when it is low). All immigrants (this includes the original people of the colony) will be tested for STD's like HIV, crabs, and VOIDAS.

Expect more later.

OK then I will continue my Utopia for Posi.

As stated in my last post, we will use the Cyrillic alphabet. We will speak English but for the sake of wierd use a different aphabet. Also, know that unpronouncable symbol that Prince changed his name to? This one. (http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~nelberg/Prince-logo.gif)This We will add a pronounciation to that symbol. It shall be pronounced 'Prince'. It shall be the planets name. The symbol will be used when writing the planet's name, and the artist's name, but not a royalty prince.

The population will be kept between 5,000 and 10,000 through immigration controls, a One Child Policy (when the pop is high), and a Weekly Orgy Policy (when it is low). All immigrants (this includes the original people of the colony) will be tested for STD's like HIV, crabs, and VOIDAS.

Expect more later.
LOL! I can't frakkin' WAIT! :D

See Tanthan for my people....

10,000 genetically augmented people living in a world that has no problems. Essentially all one race and one people under one ruler and 7 noble clans.

Robber-baron! :mp5:
:D
I'm not some wal-mart employee!

PAY ME! PAY ME GOOD!

I AM STUBURN HEAR ME ROAR!

LOL! I can't frakkin' WAIT! :D
And if I had the chance, I would attempt this.

See Tanthan for my people....

10,000 genetically augmented people living in a world that has no problems. Essentially all one race and one people under one ruler and 7 noble clans.
Can you say "Midieval fudalism with a twist," boys and girls? :D

:D
I'm not some wal-mart employee!

PAY ME! PAY ME GOOD!

I AM STUBURN HEAR ME ROAR!
Being unable to spell "stubborn" might not help your case. ;)

Can you say "Midieval fudalism with a twist," boys and girls? :D

*raises hand* But Supreme God of All Beings, isn't is supposed to be "Medieval Feudalism with a twist"?

*raises hand* But Supreme God of All Beings, isn't is supposed to be "Medieval Feudalism with a twist"?
Being unable to spell hasn't helped my case either! :eek:

When my spelling deteriorates that badly, it's time for me to get some sleep! G'nite, boys and girls. Just remember the three cardinal rules for success in life:

* Never draw to an inside straight.

* Never sleep with the girlfriends of guys named Guido.

* And never, ever eat yellow snow! :D

When my spelling deteriorates that badly, it's time for me to get some sleep! G'nite, boys and girls. Just remember the three cardinal rules for success in life:

* Never draw to an inside straight.

* Never sleep with the girlfriends of guys named Guido.

* And never, ever eat yellow snow! :D

amen.

Like the Warring States Era of Japan....so?

The families are under one Empress. They can oppose her (the heads of the families), but they never do. My government type has been called 'insane', though it effectively puts communism in its place and capitalism to.

Being unable to spell "stubborn" might not help your case. ;)
I'm sorry, I work for Enron :rolleyes:

Just the basics, because I'm too lazy to spend a very long time going more in depth.

A few starting principles:

1. Individual sovereignty. All decisions solely or for all practical purposes solely affecting one adult individual in the community are under the control of that individual.
2. Mutual sovereignty. All decisions solely or for all practical purposes solely affecting two or more adult individuals in the community are under the control of those individuals, assuming unanimous consent.
3. Collective sovereignty. All decisions affecting the community or a portion of the community as a whole, that cannot be effectively or efficiently reduced to individual or mutual sovereignty, are under the democratic control of those affected. The majority rules.
4. Egalitarianism. All adult human beings will be equal under the law, irrelevantly of arbitrary differences like race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, etc. Only behavior and capability will matter.
5. Social ownership of social production (socialism). Since the economy will involve collective effort and collective costs, the ownership, and therefore the benefits, will also be collectivized under principles (2) and (3).
6. Anarchism. In accordance with real democratic principle, government would be participatory, grass-roots, direct self-government.

Because of the egalitarian democratic nature of the system, the selfishness of each individual will be restrained by the selfishness of every other individual. Since the people who make the decisions are also the ones affected by them, they will attempt to make the best decisions, and even if they do not, they will be the ones to suffer.

Labor would be rewarded and proceeds distributed according to a system organized by the "government." Again, this will work because the government is organized on the basis of equality and self-government - every person's interest is restrained by every other person's interest, and the people responsible for decisions are the ones affected by the decisions. They are accountable to themselves.

The maximization of liberty under this system (1, 2, 3, 4) will allow for a free culture to develop, one only restrained by human needs, and only to the degree that the people themselves choose to restrain it.

Screw making my own, can we emigrate here? Collectively we'll be better off.

Get a bunch of angry space bikers, and a bunch of commies. Stick the space bikers on a space station orbiting the planet, with a honkin' big laser cannon pointed at it, and bring the hippies down to form an anarchocommunist society. Every month or so send a huge amount of beer up to the space station.

Every time somebody decides to pick on the hippies, let the space bikers know that their supply of free beer if being threatened.

What about when the bikers want more beer, the hippies will need to be like Shaolin monks.

Well, then, I'm thinking of a magical planet where we would live off magic.

I'm thinking that's been done. Read Marion Zimmer Bradley's Darkover series.

Let's do a thought experiment.

Suppose that sometime in the next couple of years someone develops an inexpensive FTL ( faster than light ) drive that puts offworld immigration within reach of any significant group of people. A great mass migration begins, with thousands of groups deciding to practice their own particular brand of culture, religion, politics, sexual proclivities, or what have you, on another world.

Assumptions:

* There are sufficient earthlike worlds to support a group of whatever size.

* There are no sentient aliens and the alien life you do find is all relatively benign.

* Resources are not a problem on any of the worlds.

* A group can take whatever technology with them they think they may need.

* No group can be smaller than the minimum required for sufficient genetic diversity to avoid mutations. For argument's sake, do not make your group less than 2,000 people.

Given all of the above, create an off-earth society. It can be based on anything you like, and may be serious or not as you choose.

The only limitation is that your society must, in fact, work. And you must explain how it sustains itself from an economic, political and cultural standpoint.

Anyone game? :)

I have a ready-made group - Renaissance Faire Actors. At Southern Faire there are about 2000 actors and booth owners. We have skills in any number of Renaissance crafts and arts - we spin, weave, work metal, tend animals, farm - all the things required to survive. Additionally, most of us in the mundane world are engineers, physicists, chemists, nurses and general science-types. We have a queen and a built-in heirarchy. We have an established economy. We're prolific as hell. Within three generations, we'd be coming back to Earth on our own.

Ok, I'll give this a shot.

I would begin my world with approximately 5,000 people. All walks of life would be represented, but I would only want about 500 with a decent education. The rest could be picked off the slums for all I care.

There will be a rigidly defined class system, with me on top. I would take a feudal approach. The vast majority of the denizens would simply work the land that I own. They could have a portion of the products of their labors, but the lion's share would go to me. The rest of the laborers would work in factories.

I would maintain an army of about 100, and keep strict control over all weapons. Firearms and such would be forbidden to the lower classes. This would make revolt a near-impossibility. Democracy is right out, of course. All officials would be appointed by me, though I would seek the advice of the people on such matters.

Religion would be in theory free but in practice controlled by myself. The only major church would advocate my divine right to rule. This would (hopefully) keep the lower classes in check and back up my authority.

Sure, this model wouldn't be sustainable forever. But as long as it outlives me, who cares?

assumption #2:

* There are no sentient aliens and the alien life you do find is all relatively benign.

is absurd.

benign alright, but not tollerant of our intollerance and thoughtlessness.

our rude awaikening will be to find that we are merely the new kid on the block, there are cops, there are laws, and we can learn to abide by them or pay the social costs of failing to.

we will find these 'cops' have the maturity, training, skills, and every neccessary means to back this up.

we will even discouver the existence of a kind of galactic united nations, which we may even be invited to join. if and when we grow up, meaning aquire the ability to dicipline and restrain ourselves, sufficiently to be eligable to do so.

we will also on our own world, that we are no longer be able, owing to having completely consumed economicly extractable fuels, to use combustion to generate energy or power transportation. we will discouver however that we no longer need to and may never have needed to in the first place.

with THAT caveat, i am THEN willing to play.

=^^=
.../\...

I like this country. Can I join?

I don't rightly no... yer not one a' them book learnin' folks are ya?

*whimper*...i don't like this country so much anymore...*tries to flee in terror*

*benny hill-esque music begins to play*

aha. Can I have some Clampetts?

Nope. You gotsta earn yer Clampetts. The moonshinin' bizness is a good way to start...

I don't rightly no... yer not one a' them book learnin' folks are ya?
Dost thou believe I am a learner of knowledge,
drunk with the intoxications it brings?

*benny hill-esque music begins to play*
*more whimpering*...maybe my bookish-ness will scare the music away.

Nope. You gotsta earn yer Clampetts. The moonshinin' bizness is a good way to start...
Can't I just writing a couple of verses for your people's entertainment in exchange for Clampetts?

Dost thou believe I am a learner of knowledge,
drunk with the intoxications it brings?

Well, if yer drunk with intoxication then yer welcome to come on down to the ho-down. If yer clean and wholesome and lack defects due ta inbreedin', come on down to the ho-down.

Af forget it, just come on down to the ho-down. Bring yer cousin.

*more whimpering*...maybe my bookish-ness will scare the music away.

Does the book hav perty pichers? We sher do like perty pichers...

Can't I just writing a couple of verses for your people's entertainment in exchange for Clampetts?

Writin? Need no writin for banjo playin'. Bring a washboard and a big glass jug and maybe some spoons, and maybe then you can have some Clampetts.

Or just bring yer cousin.

I'm enjoying this unlimited free space colony stuff...

Mikesburg Space Colony #2 - "Garygygaxia" or "Gamerworld"

The Rules of Gamerworld;

1) Class Stratification; Every single person who is even remotely good-looking or sociable shall be relocated to a hyper-scientific computerized super-city where all of their needs are met. In return for this, there is a huge industry of fast-food related products such as Cheesies and Ring-o-lo's which shall be made there for the rest of society.

2) The rest of society, the strange anti-social and less congenial, shall all live in pre-industrial squalor.

3) This society, shall be run by a one-party state, called 'The Adventuring Party'.

4) The head of the Adventuring Party is called 'The Dungeon Master'. His word is law. Bad things happen to those who don't like what the Dungeon Master has to say. Still, he is constantly surrounded by bodygaurds who protect him with a giant cardboard shield, or screen.

5) The Dungeon Master elects members of the adventuring party from the pool of pre-industrial anti-socials. Meetings are held regularly one day of the week. Mass quantities of cheesies, potato chips, ring-o-lo's, chocolate, pizza, corn-dogs, jube-jubes and popcorn are consumed.

6) The worst of the genetic freaks from Hillbillyworld (Mikesburg Space Colony #1) shall be imported and sent to live in the many hills and caves outside of the settlements. They will inexplicably have large sums of cash when everyone else is dirt poor. Even their pets will sleep on large glittering piles of change.

7) The Dungeon Master shall give clues as to the whereabouts of the troglodytes and mutants to members of the Adventuring Party. Members of the adventuring party will do their best to aquire as much cash as possible from the mutants living in the hills. It's a risky proposition...

8) Earning enough cash gives you the opportunity to buy your way in to the super-high-tech, congenial city. One is required to bathe regularly, however.

9) The rest of society will be content to drink beer, farm, etc. At least until there are too many hillbillies raiding town for their womenfolk.

10) The currency shall henceforth be known as the XP.

Geez, it sounds fun, but my lovely nation is as politically creative as I choose to get.

cant i just take over bill gate's house after he moves microsoft to the stars?

In my world, I would welcome everyone, and all the people would love each other regardless of religion, skin color, etc. We would all live in peace and harmony.



Oh, and it would also rain cocaine, because I love cocaine. :cool:

just keeping this thread alive.