NationStates Jolt Archive

"Heather and I chose to come out to the ice floes before the hunt because it would break our hearts to have to see the cruelty of the hunt, but we are absolutely committed to making sure that this is the last slaughter of baby seals in Canada anyone will ever have to witness." - Ex-Beatle and full-time dufus, Sir Paul McCartney.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/03/25/sealers-060325.html

Tough luck, Hard Day's Night. Ain't gonna happen. Why? 'Cause we're ecologically responsible over here. Left to celebrities, fish would be something you read about in books.

Go home and pour yourselves another mocha soy latte, Paul. Heather. Your selective sympathies are offensive, outdated, and ill-advised.

Oh, and by the way, today was the first day of the Seal Hunt. Greenpeacers got seal guts pelted at 'em.

Yayyyy!

I'm pretty sure babies aren't allowed to be killed. That's all I have to say on the matter.

Responsibility and Trophy Hunting...
I'm not even going to try.

*Wishes Canada wasn’t so cold so he could club seals*:(

Why the quotation marks around "sir?" He's been knighted, you know.

Futility.

Yeah, I hate those caviar commies. Paul McCartney has always been vastly overrated if you ask me, anyway.

Yeah, I hate those caviar commies. Paul McCartney has always been vastly overrated if you ask me, anyway.

At least he's not Ringo.

Why the quotation marks around "sir?" He's been knighted, you know.
Yeah. Twice.

He sent the first one back to Buckingham Palace 'cause it was fashionable at the time. Guess times change.

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Tough luck, Hard Day's Night. Ain't gonna happen. Why? 'Cause we're ecologically responsible over here. Left to celebrities, fish would be something you read about in books.

"We should be seeing literally tens of thousands of seal pups out here, and at best, we've seen maybe a couple of hundred," said Rebecca Aldworth of the Humane Society of the United States, which opposes the hunt. "The seals simply aren't out here," she told Canadian Press.

Hmmm what was that about ecologically responsible?

Oh and the seals wiping out the fish population is a bunch of bullshit. Over fishing is more the problem.

Yeah. Twice.

He sent the first one back to Buckingham Palace 'cause it was fashionable at the time. Guess times change.

Well, you can't resist a queen's sceptre for very long. I know I can't...

"We should be seeing literally tens of thousands of seal pups out here, and at best, we've seen maybe a couple of hundred," said Rebecca Aldworth of the Humane Society of the United States, which opposes the hunt. "The seals simply aren't out here," she told Canadian Press.

Hmmm what was that about ecologically responsible?

Oh and the seals wiping out the fish population is a bunch of bullshit. Over fishing is more the problem.
I think there's some fishermen in the Atlantic Provinces who'd disagree with you. Something to do with the fishing moratoria they've been constrained to observe for the last decade.

Hmmm, ecologically responsible, yes. Just like Sir Paul isn't.

"We should be seeing literally tens of thousands of seal pups out here, and at best, we've seen maybe a couple of hundred," said Rebecca Aldworth of the Humane Society of the United States, which opposes the hunt. "The seals simply aren't out here," she told Canadian Press.

Yes, this person is probably very credible in her anecdotal evidence, and can't possibly have an agenda to push.

"We should be seeing literally tens of thousands of seal pups out here, and at best, we've seen maybe a couple of hundred," said Rebecca Aldworth of the Humane Society of the United States, which opposes the hunt. "The seals simply aren't out here," she told Canadian Press.

Temperatures soared to 15 C in the Cabot Straight off Nova Scotia, making the conditions hot, dangerous and difficult for the sealers, while seals were hard to find.
Nice way to try making it seem like the seals are being over-hunted, btw.

They're hard to find because of unusual conditions. There's six million of these bastards out there, and the herd ought to be one-third that size.

It's people like PETA that wiould kill us all through over-kindness to photogenic infant animals whose species have been effectively coddled to the point of massive overpopulation.

I think there's some fishermen in the Atlantic Provinces who'd disagree with you. Something to do with the fishing moratoria they've been constrained to observe for the last decade.

Hmmm, ecologically responsible, yes. Just like Sir Paul isn't.

And we had fishermen in the pacific cry the same argument. People looked into it and *shock* over production is the main problem.

Probably a silly question but I don't really know much about the topic; is there any particular reason why the seal population is exploding? Do they not have a natural predator, or has something happened to it?

And we had fishermen in the pacific cry the same argument. People looked into it and *shock* over production is the main problem.
So, you actually don't know what you're pontificating about.

Nice.

Yes, this person is probably very credible in her anecdotal evidence, and can't possibly have an agenda to push.

Oh and the Canada has no agenda of it's own? They are simply protecting the fish population. :rolleyes:

So here's the question: why are there too many seals now, when there evidently haven't been for the last few hundred thousand years?

So, you actually don't know what you're pontificating about.

Nice.

As opposed to what? You? Are you a fisherman? My wifes relatives are....

Oh and the Canada has no agenda of it's own? They are simply protecting the fish population. :rolleyes:

I trust Canada a helluva lot more than I do some silly US nut who'd do more good protesting the killing of people in her own country, than the culling of seals in another.

(...)fish would be something you read about in books.
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Ever heard of crustaceans? 'Cause that is what those seals eat as their main diet. Not fish. Crustaceans. So much for "competing with the fishermen"...

Ever heard of crustaceans? 'Cause that is what those seals eat as their main diet. Not fish. Crustaceans. So much for "competing with the fishermen"...

Fishermen don't just fish fish, you know.

I trust Canada a helluva lot more than I do some silly US nut who'd do more good protesting the killing of people in her own country, than the culling of seals in another.

Ahh going for the human life versus animal life arguement. Why not bring up Iraq like that Politician of theirs?

Fishermen don't just fish fish, you know.

Alright? I am slow on the uptake. So this means....what?

Ahh going for the human life versus animal life arguement. Why not bring up Iraq like that Politician of theirs?

It's an apt comparison. There are worse things in her own country to protest that are happening to actual people, than the ecologically prompted downsizing of a colony of seals. Oh, but I forget, the seals are cute. That's why they get so much attention. Can't have cute animals killed, now can they?

Alright? I am slow on the uptake. So this means....what?

She was trying to imply that the seals did not compete with fishermen. How does she know what they fish? Contrary to what their title and verb may lead you to believe, it's not just fish they fish.

If you really have to kill them, fine - but skinning them alive is a bit harsh, cute or not.

http://www.imma.org/harpdiet.html

It's an apt comparison. There are worse things in her own country to protest that are happening to actual people, than the ecologically prompted downsizing of a colony of seals. Oh, but I forget, the seals are cute. That's why they get so much attention. Can't have cute animals killed, now can they?

So what ugly animal has "ecological" downsizing that is not getting coverage?

Probably a silly question but I don't really know much about the topic; is there any particular reason why the seal population is exploding? Do they not have a natural predator, or has something happened to it?

The seal's natural enemy before was only humans. They don't have some deadly natural enemy that would destroy the race. There used to be an over kill of seals for their pelts, which almost drove the seals to extinction. Then the governments put a ban on it, and i believe the American government re-habited the coasts of seals. I don't know about the eastern coast, but here in BC, the seals are driving fishermen out of jobs. They have multiplied so much in the past couple of decades that it is scary. I thought ecologists are supposed to support the balance of the ecosystem, and in a balanced ecosystem, there aren't supposed to be this many seals! Even the native americans were hunting them before the white men came. Paul McCartney needs to stop this ridiculous campaign, because it's only showing how ignorant he is. He should just go home and watch a couple of episodes of "The Nature of Things". Maybe that'll set him straight.

So what ugly animal has "ecological" downsizing that is not getting coverage?

Oh, we kill moose by the lorryloads every year. Don't see many people bitching about that.

If you really have to kill them, fine - but skinning them alive is a bit harsh, cute or not.

You should see what they did to your hamburger.

http://www.imma.org/harpdiet.html

That's nice. A conservation society that reference themselves as a source.

Oh, we kill moose by the truckloads every year. Don't see many people bitching about that.

Do you club the young to death?

Are they hunted for meat?

Is the fur industry involved?

Do you club the young to death?

No, we shoot their brains out, mostly, as you can't approach them, since they have antlers.

Are they hunted for meat?

Some eat it. It's mostly sport combined with ecological necessity, though. We kill too many to eat ourselves, so the meat gets sold.

Is the fur industry involved?

As I said, the meat industry is to a certain extent. Not to mention the gun industry. Oh, and the Royal Family are big on it. Germans, too, I hear, that come hear to tourism hunt.

Oh, and by the way, today was the first day of the Seal Hunt. Greenpeacers got seal guts pelted at 'em.

Yayyyy!
Why is this a good thing? And why are Paul McCartney's sympathies "selective"? Does he habitually go whaling, or shoot fish in barrels? (tee hee)

The seal's natural enemy before was only humans.
Hmm I thought Polars went after them?

They don't have some deadly natural enemy that would destroy the race.
Oh an I am not suggesting the Polars could do that.....

There used to be an over kill of seals for their pelts, which almost drove the seals to extinction. Then the governments put a ban on it, and i believe the American government re-habited the coasts of seals.

On the pacific side yes. Don't know about the Atlantic.


I don't know about the eastern coast, but here in BC, the seals are driving fishermen out of jobs. They have multiplied so much in the past couple of decades that it is scary.


Ok what numbers are we talking about here?


I thought ecologists are supposed to support the balance of the ecosystem, and in a balanced ecosystem, there aren't supposed to be this many seals! Even the native americans were hunting them before the white men came.

And yet they could only take so many so why hasn't the fishing population been destroyed?

Also their needs were a tad different.

Paul McCartney needs to stop this ridiculous campaign, because it's only showing how ignorant he is. He should just go home and watch a couple of episodes of "The Nature of Things". Maybe that'll set him straight.

No, we shoot their brains out, mostly, as you can't approach them, since they have antlers.

It was a retorical question. I know what they are like. We get dopes over here that try to pet them. I once saw a guy trying to put his kid on a big male like a horse. Damn lucky the animal didn't turn on them.


Some eat it. It's mostly sport combined with ecological necessity, though. We kill too many to eat ourselves, so the meat gets sold.

As I said, the meat industry is to a certain extent. Not to mention the gun industry. Oh, and the Royal Family are big on it. Germans, too, I hear, that come hear to tourism hunt.

Hmpf? How big is the population? I don't mind your example as the animal is being put to use. A couple of hunters in the family.

Over here the moose populations are not that big and they have preditors so we don't have to manage them. Now deer and elk are different matter.....

Hmpf? How big is the population? I don't mind your example as the animal is being put to use. A couple of hunters in the family.

And the seals aren't?

Over here the moose populations are not that big and they have preditors so we don't have to manage them. Now deer and elk are different matter.....

Moose = Elk, i.e Alces Alces in Europe. Not Red Deer, what people in North America call "elk," i.e. Cervus elaphus.

She was trying to imply that the seals did not compete with fishermen. How does she know what they fish? Contrary to what their title and verb may lead you to believe, it's not just fish they fish.

That's true. My wifes great-uncles also did crabbing.

However, I still question the seals wiping out the fish population claims.

My wifes cousin does the line method and will lose a fish or two on passes. He makes a good living and if you listen to him bitch about the seals you would think they are taking 98% of his catch.

That's true. My wifes great-uncles also did crabbing.

However, I still question the seals wiping out the fish population claims.

My wifes cousin does the line method and will lose a fish or two on passes. He makes a good living and if you listen to him bitch about the seals you would think they are taking 98% of his catch.

Yeah, even the Canadian government doesn't completely back the fish population theory the same way. It's estimated that cod accounts for about 3% of the diet of harp seals.

The problem I have with Celebrity Pit-Stops into Canada to denounce the seal hunt, is that they aren't consistent in their criticisms. Why isn't Paul McCartney taking a photo-op in Korea protesting the consumption of dogs for food? Aren't they cute and cuddly too (the dogs I mean, not the Koreans)? Or how about factory farming period...

The organizations that protest the seal hunt are also misleading in their methods to denounce the seal hunt as well. For instance, all of their websites prominently display cute photos of white fluffy baby seals, even though it's been illegal to hunt seals at that age (the fur eventually falls off) since the 70's.

From all indications, this is a sustainable hunt, a large part of the tradition and economy of the aboriginal people of the Arctic. It doesn't surprise me that organizations like PETA, who are at least consistent in their aims, oppose the seal hunt. But if you aren't a complete vegan, and oppose all forms of hunting or consumption of animals, than opposing the seal hunt is a little hypocritical.

Probably a silly question but I don't really know much about the topic; is there any particular reason why the seal population is exploding? Do they not have a natural predator, or has something happened to it?

Yeah people, until we got pussy-whipped into not clubbing the adorable meat-bags.

And we had fishermen in the pacific cry the same argument. People looked into it and *shock* over production is the main problem.
Well, the Fraser River has been open only two days in the past two years and fish stock continue to decrease. This year they may consider not openning the river at all. Human overfishing is not the only problem.

Probably a silly question but I don't really know much about the topic; is there any particular reason why the seal population is exploding? Do they not have a natural predator, or has something happened to it?
There natural predator, bears (particularly polar bears), are starting to die off from global warming. The bears rely on thick ice to hunt for seals (they wait for them to surface then club them to death) but the ice can no longer support their tactics (ice cannot support weight, seals can tell if a bear is at the openning and choose a different spot).

So what ugly animal has "ecological" downsizing that is not getting coverage?
Coyotes, bears, wolves, cougars, moose, deer, just to name a few.

Do you club the young to death?
We shoot them, which means that instead of dying instantly, the walk around until there lungs fill with blood and they suffocate. Ask a good hunter and he will tell you to aim for the lungs. It is an easy shot, and if it manages to run awayyou can follow the trail of blood it leaves.


Are they hunted for meat?
Yes, but seal meat is also eatten.

Is the fur industry involved?
No, we let the moose fur sit in the forest and rot. EDIT: sometimes the fur is used to make fishing flies, but mostly left in the forest to rot.

Nobody's brought up the fact that this is essentially telling the Natives they can't celebrate and honour their own culture and history? They don't do this for the hell of it, guys. They do it for historical and cultural reasons. Paul McCartney can go shove a guitar string up his... never mind. But yeah, I don't like that celebrities think they have the prerogative to tell governments how to run themselves. It's ridiculous.

I don’t think these protestors realize that there was a time when seals were hunted by natives. The only thing that can really replace the year round necessity hunting is one big annual trophy hunt.
Believe it or not, humans are not an isolated species. We are part of the food chain, but since hunting has become unnecessary because of an efficient ranching industry, certain animal populations have skyrocketed and reactionary environmental groups won’t let us resume the hunt, even for ecological purposes.

If you don’t believe me, look into the history of Yellowstone National Park and what happened to it after they banned Amerindians from hunting there.

"We should be seeing literally tens of thousands of seal pups out here, and at best, we've seen maybe a couple of hundred," said Rebecca Aldworth of the Humane Society of the United States, which opposes the hunt. "The seals simply aren't out here," she told Canadian Press.

Hmmm what was that about ecologically responsible?

Oh and the seals wiping out the fish population is a bunch of bullshit. Over fishing is more the problem.So,We stop the seal hunt..What's next? I don't think you want to have a bunch of pissed off seal hunters on your doorstep! Do you eat meat,wear leather or fur,if so be quiet<please>.

Go home and pour yourselves another mocha soy latte, Paul. Heather. Your selective sympathies are offensive, outdated, and ill-advised.

Oh, and by the way, today was the first day of the Seal Hunt. Greenpeacers got seal guts pelted at 'em.

Yayyyy!

So legally expressing your concerns is a bad thing, but assault is a good thing, have I got that right?

Nobody's brought up the fact that this is essentially telling the Natives they can't celebrate and honour their own culture and history? They don't do this for the hell of it, guys. They do it for historical and cultural reasons. Paul McCartney can go shove a guitar string up his... never mind.

Are we to take it that McCartney, as a native of Liverpool, would be justified in celebrating and honouring his own history and culture by selling a couple of Africans into slavery?

So,We stop the seal hunt..What's next? I don't think you want to have a bunch of pissed off seal hunters on your doorstep!

Canadians would actually want to go to the US? :eek:

Do you eat meat,wear leather or fur,
Yes, yes, no.

The difference is the animals involved are domesticated for that purpose.

if so be quiet<please>.

At least you are polite. ;)

The problem I have with Celebrity Pit-Stops into Canada to denounce the seal hunt, is that they aren't consistent in their criticisms. Why isn't Paul McCartney taking a photo-op in Korea protesting the consumption of dogs for food? Aren't they cute and cuddly too (the dogs I mean, not the Koreans)? Or how about factory farming period...

Not Korea, but McCartney on the treatment of dogs in Asia:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4476664.stm

On factory farming:
"We can't go on cramming creatures into battery cages, broiler sheds, pig pens and so on. Where's the compassion? For the sake of the animals, support Viva!."
http://www.viva.org.uk/mediareleases/PR-1999/govegpaul.htm

Not Korea, but McCartney on the treatment of dogs in Asia:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4476664.stm

On factory farming:
"We can't go on cramming creatures into battery cages, broiler sheds, pig pens and so on. Where's the compassion? For the sake of the animals, support Viva!."
http://www.viva.org.uk/mediareleases/PR-1999/govegpaul.htm

My apologies... I was ill-informed. I take back my comments as far as McCartney is concerned.

Canadians would actually want to go to the US? :eek:

only if they are seal hunters and drunk out of their minds. Then beware, the Yankee hippies might just get beaten by a couple of hockey sticks.

only if they are seal hunters and drunk out of their minds. Then beware, the Yankee hippies might just get beaten by a couple of hockey sticks.

Well tell them to look for people over 60. :p

Now the animal rights and peta people are a different matter. ;)

Well tell them to look for people over 60. :p

Now the animal rights and peta people are a different matter. ;)

I'll tell them to look for eccentricly dressed people who are ranting and constantly coming up with new ways nature's going to kill us.

PS. I'm surprised nobody's done the baby seal joke yet.

I'll tell them to look for eccentricly dressed people who are ranting and constantly coming up with new ways nature's going to kill us.

PS. I'm surprised nobody's done the baby seal joke yet.

Well since you asked.

Years ago a couple guys gave an old girl friend two gifts and told her to open the small one first.

It was a baby seal plush doll.

The second?

A baseball bat!

They said it was for stress relief and spent the rest of the night pissing her off by making jokes about just wanting to bash in it's cute little head. ;)

Well since you asked.

Years ago a couple guys gave an old girl friend two gifts and told her to open the small one first.

It was a baby seal plush doll.

The second?

A baseball bat!

They said it was for stress relief and spent the rest of the night pissing her off by making jokes about just wanting to bash in it's cute little head. ;)

I was thinking of the simpler one...but oh well, at least I've never read this one before.

I've been laughing myself silly watching all the commotion over the seal hunt lately. You see these retard "save the baby white coats!" on the news, and they make their plea for Canada to stop seal hunting these adorable, innocent animals, and then you get the guy on there who actually knows what's going on and says, "You people are the product of a massive propaganda campaign. They plaster videos of cute little white coats all over the news, and Canada is the ONLY country where it is illegal to kill baby seals! Not only that, you can't kill a blue back, which means they're not killing young seals! Not to mention the sealers need to do this as a job, for their $30000 a year salaries, whereas the posh upper class idiots don't have to worry about such things, with all of their millions floating around."
So great. I love it when people who whine needlessly get put in their place.

Do you eat meat,wear leather or fur,
Yes, yes, no.

The difference is the animals involved are domesticated for that purpose.


Interesting justification. So, if they raised the seals and then clubbed them it would be OK for you? Being bred to be sure to be whacked is OK, but living free and having the chance of being one caught in a hunt is not?

Should I also feel guilty about picking and eating wild raspberries when there are perfectly good genetically altered, sprayed, harvested, processed, and packaged ones available at the store?

I've been laughing myself silly watching all the commotion over the seal hunt lately. You see these retard "save the baby white coats!" on the news, and they make their plea for Canada to stop seal hunting these adorable, innocent animals, and then you get the guy on there who actually knows what's going on and says, "You people are the product of a massive propaganda campaign. They plaster videos of cute little white coats all over the news, and Canada is the ONLY country where it is illegal to kill baby seals! Not only that, you can't kill a blue back, which means they're not killing young seals! Not to mention the sealers need to do this as a job, for their $30000 a year salaries, whereas the posh upper class idiots don't have to worry about such things, with all of their millions floating around."
So great. I love it when people who whine needlessly get put in their place.

Amen.

except this is still hurting Canada's international image in general. Stupid celebrities need to stay out of politics already! :headbang:

Amen.

except this is still hurting Canada's international image in general. Stupid celebrities need to stay out of politics already! :headbang:

Well, countries who are prone to listening to celebrities over hard facts are the kind of people I don't want in Canada anyway. Let them stay away! I'll take those who dig a little, and realize that Canada is actually the most friendly of the seal hunting nations on the globe. I loved it when the guy said, "The reason you protesters some to Canada is because we're the only nation that will let you get within camera range during the seal hunt. In any other nation, that's completely illegal. Why don't you go protest there for the rights of the little white coats where they're actually being killed?"
I have no patience for celebrities. Far too few of them are famous for meaningless reasons, and think that automatically makes them intellectuals and experts on whatever topic they pick to talk about.

Well, countries who are prone to listening to celebrities over hard facts are the kind of people I don't want in Canada anyway. Let them stay away! I'll take those who dig a little, and realize that Canada is actually the most friendly of the seal hunting nations on the globe. I loved it when the guy said, "The reason you protesters some to Canada is because we're the only nation that will let you get within camera range during the seal hunt. In any other nation, that's completely illegal. Why don't you go protest there for the rights of the little white coats where they're actually being killed?"
I have no patience for celebrities. Far too few of them are famous for meaningless reasons, and think that automatically makes them intellectuals and experts on whatever topic they pick to talk about.

I love you. I want to have your babies. :p

PS. congrats on 500 posts.

Well, countries who are prone to listening to celebrities over hard facts are the kind of people I don't want in Canada anyway. Let them stay away! I'll take those who dig a little, and realize that Canada is actually the most friendly of the seal hunting nations on the globe. I loved it when the guy said, "The reason you protesters some to Canada is because we're the only nation that will let you get within camera range during the seal hunt. In any other nation, that's completely illegal. Why don't you go protest there for the rights of the little white coats where they're actually being killed?"
I have no patience for celebrities. Far too few of them are famous for meaningless reasons, and think that automatically makes them intellectuals and experts on whatever topic they pick to talk about.

Too true. That and the comment you made before about people getting put in their place. :p

So legally expressing your concerns is a bad thing, but assault is a good thing, have I got that right?

Oh, cram it, you commie. That's not assault. The fact that one of the protesters claims the fishermen tried to capsize their boat (which they only said because they know in Canada that would amount to third-degree murder or manslaughter) is ridiculous itself. You're brainwashed.

Are we to take it that McCartney, as a native of Liverpool, would be justified in celebrating and honouring his own history and culture by selling a couple of Africans into slavery?

You've got to be kidding me. That's your argument? No, that's not justified. Liverpudlians are not proud of that aspect of their history. Natives are proud of their history. And fishermen NEED this income, it's not just a hobby. You're sadly mistaken and brainwashed by sick, twisted organisations like the Humane Society of the United States.

*snip* Humane Society of the United States.

teehee...the Humane Society of the United States...I don't want to generalize here, but am I the only one who find that statement an oxymoron?

It's people like PETA that wiould kill us all through over-kindness to photogenic infant animals whose species have been effectively coddled to the point of massive overpopulation.

Humans? ;)

I don't know, I refuse to call somebody 'Sir' just because they've been knighted.

Respect is earned, not handed out in the form of titles.

I don't know, I refuse to call somebody 'Sir' just because they've been knighted.

Respect is earned, not handed out in the form of titles.

And for this, he doesn't get any respect from me. He's a good musician but a horrible activist. He can't just pick and choose his battles in a position like that.

now its time for a random(if on topic) lyrics post!!!!!


Great Big Sea/ Traditional

Ferryland Sealer

Our schooner and our sloop in Ferryland they do lie
She is already rigged to be bound for the ice
All you lads of the Southern, we will have you to beware.
She's going to the ice in the spring of the year
Laddie whack fol the laddie, laddie whack fol the day.

Our course be east-north-east for two days and two nights.
Our captain he cried out, "B'ys, look ahead for the ice!"
He hove her around, standing in for the land,
'Twas in a few hours he was firm in the jam.
Laddie whack fol the laddie, laddie whack fol the day.

Our captain he cried out, "Come on b'ys, lend a hand"
Our cook he makes the breakfast and each man takes a dram.
With our gaffs in our hands it was earlie for to go,
Every man showed his action 'thout the missing of a blow.
Laddie whack fol the laddie, laddie whack fol the day.

Some were killing, some were scalping, some were haulin' them on board.
Some more they were firing and a-missing of their loads.
In the dusk of the evening all hands in from the cold,
And we counted nine hundred fine scalps in the hold.

We are now off Cape Spear and in sight of Cape Broyle,
We'll dance, sing, carouse, me b'ys in just a little while.
We will soon enjoy the charms of our sweethearts and our friends,
It will not be long before we're down to the bend.
Laddie whack fol the laddie, laddie whack fol the day.

CHORUS

Fol the laddie, laddie whack fol the day (x2)

Oh, cram it, you commie.

What the fuck has communism got to do at the matter in hand, or have you just resorted to utterly irrelevant epithets thither and thon in the hope thatall opposition withers away in the face of such opprobrium?

That's not assault.

Then what is it? What would it be if they were throwing rocks at the protestors?

The fact that one of the protesters claims the fishermen tried to capsize their boat (which they only said because they know in Canada that would amount to third-degree murder or manslaughter) is ridiculous itself.

Why is this so unbelievable? There are loose cannons on every side.

You're brainwashed.

And on what evidence do you draw this assumption, and by whom, have I been brainwashed?



You've got to be kidding me. That's your argument?

No, that's me asking a question.

No, that's not justified. Liverpudlians are not proud of that aspect of their history. Natives are proud of their history.

So the only criterion by which we can judge whether cultural history can be celebrated is by pride? What people take pride in is not a given, but rather a personal choice, and so we find an incredibly wide range of different historical activities of which people are proud, and I am sure that not all of those activities would be entirely palatable to you or me.

And fishermen NEED this income, it's not just a hobby.

There are many people in Liverpool who also NEED exta income, why shouldn't they get a fair crack of the whip too?

You're sadly mistaken and brainwashed by sick, twisted organisations like the Humane Society of the United States.

Mistaken concerning what, exactly?

The outrage against the seal hunt is completely retarded. No one gives a flyign fuck when people go out to cull deer so they don't overpopulate. Why? Deer aren't cute enough? How about that cow that had to die for your last hamburger?

Seriously though, the seals are overpopulated and will end up starving to death if they're not culled, people aren't hunting the precious baby seals, they're not allowed to. Calm the fuck down and go protest whatever culls are in your own damn country before you piss and moan about what we do in our country.

It's not like the damn things are endangered.


Also, I want to know why it is that on the east coast it's 10 degrees warmer than it is in southern Ontario, I thought it was generally cooler out there.

*snip*
Also, I want to know why it is that on the east coast it's 10 degrees warmer than it is in southern Ontario, I thought it was generally cooler out there.

It's the fucked up weather this year. I heard it was still snowing a couple of days ago in Edmonton.

What the fuck has communism got to do at the matter in hand, or have you just resorted to utterly irrelevant epithets thither and thon in the hope thatall opposition withers away in the face of such opprobrium?

You're a communist, so you say sensationalist things. That's what I mean.

Then what is it? What would it be if they were throwing rocks at the protestors?

Oh, you mean like the thousand times that happens in reverse? What of the protestors that throw rocks at that which they protest? Have you no shame, sir?! Have you no sense of hypocrisy?!

Why is this so unbelievable? There are loose cannons on every side.

Yeah, and if you're not one of 'em, I think there may be a certain position in the English monarchy I'm entitled to.


So the only criterion by which we can judge whether cultural history can be celebrated is by pride? What people take pride in is not a given, but rather a personal choice, and so we find an incredibly wide range of different historical activities of which people are proud, and I am sure that not all of those activities would be entirely palatable to you or me.

It's not the only criterion, but it's a major one. History has a habit of embarrassing the many and empowering the few. That's the case here - not every Canadian is proud that the seal hunt takes place, but there is a minority that does feel that way. And in a minority society like Canada's, we can't ignore that.


There are many people in Liverpool who also NEED extra income, why shouldn't they get a fair crack of the whip too?

Well, invite them out to the Arctic. They can have a go on a few pups if they want.

Do you club the young to death?


Actually, hunting the young is more ecologically friendly than hunting the old. The old are already suitable for breeding, thus can reproduce readily and more quickly. The young, on the other hand, are not able to reproduce, and depending on the species may not so for many years. If you were to kill a large amount of the breeding population, while only leaving the young(which, consequently would also die in massive quantities due to their parents dying off), then the population would plummet to near extinct levels. By harvesting a reletively small number of young(a couple hundred thousand is not much at all), you are actually helping the population as a whole, by allowing others to aquire more food.


Are they hunted for meat?

If hunted solely for food, and not allowed for pelts, I would assume that the population would sky rocket.


Is the fur industry involved?
More than likely.

The outrage against the seal hunt is completely retarded. No one gives a flyign fuck when people go out to cull deer so they don't overpopulate. Why? Deer aren't cute enough?

Actually there are many that do but the deer situtation doesn't have any big celebs speaking out about it.

However, it's been pretty well explained why the deer would in fact starve.

The seal case invovles the "decline" in the fish population which the only people that belive it are the fishermen.

How about that cow that had to die for your last hamburger?

Sorry dear what part of domesticated do you not understand?

Seriously though, the seals are overpopulated and will end up starving to death if they're not culled, people aren't hunting the precious baby seals, they're not allowed to.


Ok prove it.

Calm the fuck down and go protest whatever culls are in your own damn country before you piss and moan about what we do in our country.

You might want to reread that a few times and take your own advice.

It's not like the damn things are endangered.

Well Canada would probably still make the arguments for it even if they were. But we can only speculate.

Also, I want to know why it is that on the east coast it's 10 degrees warmer than it is in southern Ontario, I thought it was generally cooler out there.

Maybe it's all that anger. ;)

You're a communist, so you say sensationalist things. That's what I mean.


*blinks* oookay? So communist = Sensationalist?

Yellow Journalism was run by communists?
George W. Bush is a communist?
Pat Robertson is a communist?
Michael Jackson is communist?

Strange.

Oh, you mean like the thousand times that happens in reverse? What of the protestors that throw rocks at that which they protest? Have you no shame, sir?! Have you no sense of hypocrisy?!

Wow somebody read about McCarthy.

Sorry kiddo. BWO is one of the smartest people here so I will let him have fun with you.

The seal case invovles the "decline" in the fish population which the only people that belive it are the fishermen.
:rolleyes: Right, it's all a conspiracy, that's it.

Sorry dear what part of domesticated do you not understand?
So it's alright to slaughter an animal in a cruel manner because it spent its life in a pen being poked, prodded, injected with hormones et c but it's not alright to kill an animal in the wild so it doesn't starve to death?

Ok prove it.
I get the feeling that you've been shown the way to links at some point... I'm on my way to bed so I'm not looking for them now.

You might want to reread that a few times and take your own advice.
Am I bitching about culling habits of other animals in other countries? I didn't think so.

Well Canada would probably still make the arguments for it even if they were. But we can only speculate.
As it stands now, they're in no way endangered, they're overpopulated for fuck's sake.

Maybe it's all that anger. ;)
:rolleyes: yes, that's it, I'm so furious I believe I'll just fall asleep.

Sorry kiddo. BWO is one of the smartest people here so I will let him have fun with you.

Let's not go there, bud. I'm far from being a kid. And good for him.

:rolleyes: Right, it's all a conspiracy, that's it.

Ahh yes. The tinfoil hat claim. :rolleyes:

So it's alright to slaughter an animal in a cruel manner because it spent its life in a pen being poked, prodded, injected with hormones et c but it's not alright to kill an animal in the wild so it doesn't starve to death?


Strawman. Unless you can show they are starving.

I get the feeling that you've been shown the way to links at some point... I'm on my way to bed so I'm not looking for them now.

Actually no and if you don't have the proof; then just say so.

Am I bitching
Yes. and that's the point.

Let's not go there, bud. I'm far from being a kid. And good for him.

So what are you 18?

So what are you 18?

Wow, you're good. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/member.php?u=149560)

Wow, you're good. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/member.php?u=149560)

Actually I didn't look at the jolt listing I looked Erastide's user info thread. I had an idea from your post. I was curious if I was right.

Eighteen and a man of the world. Good for you.

Seriously people.

There are so many people whos douchebaggery so far outweighs Paul McCartney's, that for anyone to get thier knickers in a twist, desperatly needs to get a life, and look at the world around you.

Im not saying that we should collectively give the guy a handjob or anything, but considering the awful shit so many governments are doing, the human misery, and so forth, to pick on Paul for wanting so save some damn seals is asinine.

Fine, Paul ..knock yerself out...have a blast.
Its been decades, write a good song.

However, I pretty much hate hardcore animal activists too.
Screw all of them.
They whine about baby seals, becuase theyre so precious and cute...
They only love the cute ones.
Why isnt anyone whining about the Gnu?
Because the Gnu is a butt-ugly bastard.

Anyways, lay off Paul.
His douchebaggery isnt hurting anyone, and if a couple of seals get saved....great, whatever.

But who ever said he was over-rated....in his Beatle days, he was by far the most talented among them.

It's an apt comparison. There are worse things in her own country to protest that are happening to actual people, than the ecologically prompted downsizing of a colony of seals. Oh, but I forget, the seals are cute. That's why they get so much attention. Can't have cute animals killed, now can they?

If it were an ecological downsizing, they would be selectively taking out the breeding males, not arbitrarily killing off large numbers of seals. This is purely motivated by money and to pretend otherwise is dishonest. Any ecologist will tell you that any wild population that undergoes a large increase in population will eventually stabilise if you leave them alone. Culling makes the problem worse. (It can cause the females to mature faster and to breed earlier in case you were wondering) and it is also bad for the species. Natural selection takes out the weak, deformed and the infirm. Arbitrarily taking out individuals will weaken the gene pool.

Arbitrarily taking out individuals will weaken the gene pool.
A very deep gene pool in this case.

I could care less about what some celebrity thinks. Ever.

Ahh yes. The tinfoil hat claim. :rolleyes:

Strawman. Unless you can show they are starving.
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/seal-phoque/reports-rapports/facts-faits/facts-faits2004_e.htm

Thanks. Willing to take off the tinfoil hat now?

Furthermore, the fact that you make a point of saying that the seals are killed cruelly despite evidence to the contrary as reviewed by vetrinarians yet you don't give a shit about how domestic animals are killed show that you really don't care about animals unless they're cute and cuddly looking.

Actually no and if you don't have the proof; then just say so.
People tend to want to sleep around 2am.

Yes. and that's the point.
How mature. :rolleyes:

The difference is the animals involved are domesticated for that purpose.
So again, it's alright to kill an animal creuly because they lived a crappy life on a farm, but it's not ok to kill them if they live a nice life out in the wild? Hell, I'm a vegetarian who supports the seal hunt.

Hmpf? How big is the population? I don't mind your example as the animal is being put to use. A couple of hunters in the family.


Just on discovery the otherday, 300 000 moose on the Newfoundland island alone. thats one moose for every four newfoundlanders. A moose weighs 1200 pounds.

Moose are not native to the island, are overpopulated, are destroying its ecology, and are not cute. Lock and load.

Canada has 1/2 the world moose population.

Mcartney and Bardot can bitch to the prime minister all they want. In Canada, resources are the domain of provinces, as per the constitution. Quebec alone would never stand for feds taking resource powers away from Provinces. Combine that with a minority government, and Harpers hands are tied.

Just on discovery the otherday, 300 000 moose on the Newfoundland island alone. thats one moose for every four newfoundlanders. A moose weighs 1200 pounds.

Moose are not native to the island, are overpopulated, are destroying its ecology, and are not cute. Lock and load.

Canada has 1/2 the world moose population.Yes and they are responsible for a lot of accidents and more then a few deaths.Car+ moose= big mess

Proof that the title Knight doesn't mean anything. So stop giving it out. Why do you Brits even have a Queen? Who does that any more? Get out your guitines gutines guii... funny French head chopping off machines and get rid of them.

Just on discovery the otherday, 300 000 moose on the Newfoundland island alone. thats one moose for every four newfoundlanders. A moose weighs 1200 pounds.

Moose are not native to the island, are overpopulated, are destroying its ecology, and are not cute. Lock and load.

Canada has 1/2 the world moose population.


Just on discovery the otherday, 1 200 000 Newfoundlanders on the Newfoundland island alone. thats four Newfoundlanders for every moose. A Newfoundlander weighs 140 pounds.

Newfoundlanders are not native to the island, are overpopulated, are destroying its ecology, and are not cute. Lock and load.

Canada has almost 100% of the world Newfoundlander population.

Just on discovery the otherday, 1 200 000 Newfoundlanders on the Newfoundland island alone. thats four Newfoundlanders for every moose. A Newfoundlander weighs 140 pounds.

Newfoundlanders are not native to the island, are overpopulated, are destroying its ecology, and are not cute. Lock and load.

Canada has almost 100% of the world Newfoundlander population.

Dem's fightin werds, baye!

Just on discovery the otherday, 1 200 000 Newfoundlanders on the Newfoundland island alone. thats four Newfoundlanders for every moose. A Newfoundlander weighs 140 pounds.

Newfoundlanders are not native to the island, are overpopulated, are destroying its ecology, and are not cute. Lock and load.

Canada has almost 100% of the world Newfoundlander population.

at least research shows Newfoundlanders have the most sex in Canada. So they are either big liars or half this forum should move there. :p

at least research shows Newfoundlanders have the most sex in Canada.

The phrase "the most sex in Canada" is like the phrase "the most warmth in Antarctica".

Just on discovery the otherday, 1 200 000 Newfoundlanders on the Newfoundland island alone. thats four Newfoundlanders for every moose. A Newfoundlander weighs 140 pounds.

Newfoundlanders are not native to the island, are overpopulated, are destroying its ecology, and are not cute. Lock and load.

Canada has almost 100% of the world Newfoundlander population.

Haha! Brilliant, although you've obviously never met a Newfie girl. Yowsa! And Newfie guys have the best pick up line ever. "Yer fuckin' beautiful, jesus bye!"
Women just melt when they say stuff like that. I've seen it a million times! It part accent, part bad boy, and part sheer nerve. Women seem to love it when they talk like that.

The phrase "the most sex in Canada" is like the phrase "the most warmth in Antarctica".
actually, i find canadians rather permiscuous (sp?) in general. They just aren't as loud-mouthed about it as Americans are.

Where'd you get that number? 1.2 million people in Newfoundland? More like 600,000ish.

Wwhhheeepppp!!!!!!!wwhhheeepppp!!!!!!!wwhhheeepppp!!!!!!!

This Is Not A Test, This Is An Emergency Broadcast!

Ahhhh Seals! If We Don't Club Them To Death They Won't Ever Die As They Are Immortal And Invulnerable To Anything But Bludgeoning Damage. If They Never Die They Will Just Keep Growing In Population Untill They Pour Like A Wave Off Of The Coasts And Into The Cities. There They Will Steal The Jobs Of Everyone, Including The Fishermen Who Had To Find A New Lifestyle Due To Not Being Able To Compete With The Seals! Thats Right, The Seals Are An Evil Conspiracy Whose Technology Is Superior To Nets, Sonar And All Human Fishing Technology. They Are Stealing All Of Our Fish, And By Fish I Mean Mostly Crustaceans, And By Crustaceans I Mean Mostly Krill. No More Krill Cocktails! Their Cuteness Is Also A Ploy To Apeal To People Of Conscious, Such As Paul Mccartney (who May Be A Selkie). People Like Mccartney Should Be Publicly Stoned When They Stand For What They Deem Is A Moral Principle Because They Could Have Stood Up For A More Important Moral Principle, Such As Stopping The Butt-raping Of Puppies. He Could Have Also Been A Fireman. Polar Bears, Much Like The Holocost Are A Myth, And If People Didn't Kill Them Off They Would Never Starve To Death And Would Continue To Reproduce Without A Food Source. So, Please, Kill Seal Pups Where Ever You Find Them, Its A Matter Of Good Conscience.

Wwhhheeepppp!!!!!!!wwhhheeepppp!!!!!!!wwhhheeepppp!!!!!!!

Where'd you get that number? 1.2 million people in Newfoundland? More like 600,000ish.

Whoops. I attempted to extract it from Notaxia's line "300 000 moose on the Newfoundland island alone. thats one moose for every four newfoundlanders", however I appear to have gone about it in an ass-backward way and multiplied when I should have been dividing. Mea culpa.

*Wishes Canada wasn’t so cold so he could club seals*:(Wish I could adopt one of those seals...

but they probably would die in this tropical weather... :(

that and the seal and I would fight over the sashimi...

Yeah. Twice.

He sent the first one back to Buckingham Palace 'cause it was fashionable at the time. Guess times change.

Wrong. He and the rest of The Beatles were given OBE's, which they turned down, quite different from a Knighthood.

Despite the fact that The Beatles have seemingly died in the wrong order (Most talented dying first), that Paul is a big headed greedy berk who really split The Beatles and not Yoko Ono, and the fact Heather Mcartney is an attention seeking sulky skank, They are right about baby seal clubbing, although not actively trying to stop it and dissapearing before it begins does not help.

Humans catch more fish than seals, and seals are the scapegoat, the thing to literally club over the head, to detract from an impending ecological marine collapse of plummeting fish population at the hand of human overfishing and other human inspired ecological changes.

The people who club seals to death, in particular baby seals, are seriously f***ed in the head.

It destroys the notion that Canada is a liberal, reasonable country.

at least research shows Newfoundlanders have the most sex in Canada. So they are either big liars or half this forum should move there. :p
What the hell else is there to do in Newfoundland.


Also, last I looked it up, Newfoundland had around 500,000 people... less than the city of Hamilton.

The people who club seals to death, in particular baby seals, are seriously f***ed in the head.
Vetrinarians have assessed how humane such a death is and found it to be as humane as animals are killed in slaughterhouses. Also,the babies can't be killed legally. There have been laws against that since the 70s.

It destroys the notion that Canada is a liberal, reasonable country.
Yeah, that's exactly it.

Wrong. He and the rest of The Beatles were given OBE's, which they turned down, quite different from a Knighthood.

Not OBE's but MBE's, which they accepted, however Lennon later sent his back, I think you will find. McCartney continues to be an MBE, even after he was knighted.

Well, invite them out to the Arctic. They can have a go on a few pups if they want.

Well, if you are paying...

"Heather and I chose to come out to the ice floes before the hunt because it would break our hearts to have to see the cruelty of the hunt, but we are absolutely committed to making sure that this is the last slaughter of baby seals in Canada anyone will ever have to witness." - Ex-Beatle and full-time dufus, Sir Paul McCartney.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/03/25/sealers-060325.html

Tough luck, Hard Day's Night. Ain't gonna happen. Why? 'Cause we're ecologically responsible over here. Left to celebrities, fish would be something you read about in books.

Go home and pour yourselves another mocha soy latte, Paul. Heather. Your selective sympathies are offensive, outdated, and ill-advised.


Paul McCartney come on down,
With crocodile tears to regain this ground,
Making Ethiopia a fertile paradise,
Where every sings Beatle songs and buys shares in EMI,
Charity, starvation and rock ‘n’ roll,
Let It Be, eh Pauley?



Well if someone else can post random lyrics so can I.

So what ugly animal has "ecological" downsizing that is not getting coverage?
Fire Ants.

Paul McCartney come on down,
With crocodile tears to regain this ground,
Making Ethiopia a fertile paradise,
Where every sings Beatle songs and buys shares in EMI,
Charity, starvation and rock ‘n’ roll,
Let It Be, eh Pauley?



Well if someone else can post random lyrics so can I.

Sooner we have a Chumba bashing thread, the better. Fuck them and their patronising, naive and quite frankly insulting views and opinions on the Northern Ireland situation.

Sooner we have a Chumba bashing thread, the better. Fuck them and their patronising, naive and quite frankly insulting views and opinions on the Northern Ireland situation.
Preach on, brother BWO...


...though I'll admit to having no fucking idea what you're preachin' on about, but no matter.


STICK IT TO THE MAN!

Yes and they are responsible for a lot of accidents and more then a few deaths.Car+ moose= big mess

really? I was led to believe that Car + moose = big mess + moose

(edit: or at least smart car)

really? I was led to believe that Car + moose = big mess + moose

(edit: or at least smart car)
that too, especially when it's the moose ramming into your car.
ps. you must have the longest one-word name i've ever read...

Sooner we have a Chumba bashing thread, the better. Fuck them and their patronising, naive and quite frankly insulting views and opinions on the Northern Ireland situation.

What were their views on Northern Ireland, I know little about them outside they had a novelty single and half the band are currently on hiatus?

Sorry people! I need to retract that 300 000. I wuz WRONG! the ratio 1 moose for every 4 newfs is right though. so that about 150 000 meese on the rock. The estimated number of moose in Canada was just over 300 000.

Its a little hard to tell how many newfies there really are, because they are their own best export. We've got whole towns full of them here in Alberta.
I wouldnt be surprised if 1/4 of all newfies is here in Alberta and we is akeepin' em bye!

Vetrinarians have assessed how humane such a death is and found it to be as humane as animals are killed in slaughterhouses. Also,the babies can't be killed legally. There have been laws against that since the 70s.


Yes. Because laws have never been broken before. God forbid "highly educated" fisherman/seal hunters be the first to do it.

And i bet slaughterhouses are 5 star hotels, for animals. They live so "humanely", how could they die in any other way?