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I waised raised agnostically, and, honestly, I think it made all the difference. My mother let me make up my own mind about God, and supported me through all my ridiculous spiritual phases. Now I'm a proud, self-assured aethiest, and I'm glad I was given the chance to decide on my own.
What about you? Did your religious upbringing change how you feel now?
Poll Coming.

No, I was raised in a Catholic family, although it wasn't particularly strict and had a great degree of freedom religiously speaking. My agnosticism is based upon logic and nothing more than that, stemming from my overall dislike for any kind of faith be it atheism or theism.

In my household there was rarely any discussion about God and religion and my mom let me believe in whatever I wanted.

I went through a lot of different beliefs until I finally just decided being Agnostic was for me. My mom was rasied as a Christian and my dad was raised as a Jehovah's Witness, but it didn't influence them much because they don't identify with either today.

my parents wanted me to be cathlic, now I'm atheist. It was really my grandparents, not my parents who were zealots, but I rarely ever went to them.

Well...my upbringing has been a mix of Catholicism and liberalism. I was raised that the path I choose must be my own, and regardless if I decided to become a confirmed Catholic, or take a different path, I would always be regarded the same way by my family.

In the end I decided to get confirmed, and so far I think it was the right choice for me. I know that Catholism has many problems, and I don't agree with a lot of the doctrine, but I like the traditions and its devotion to peace. I look upon the problems as challenges to overcome.

I don't know if I will remain a Catholic, but at this point, it would seem that I have followed my upbringing.

Atheist!

Why the bloody devil is that so hard for people to spell?

Atheist!

Why the bloody devil is that so hard for people to spell?
Because it's one of the words in the English language that violates the rule "I before E except after C or when sounding like A as in neighbor and weigh."

Raised spiritually aware, still spiritually aware.

Raised as a Christian, but was raised to always make my own mind about everything, and became atheist. Probably because I'm intensly logical, and religion is the opposite.

Atheist!

Why the bloody devil is that so hard for people to spell?

As long as incorrect spelling does not impede the meaning of a passage, it can be acceptable in spontaneous, non-proof read pieces of writing.

Because it's one of the words in the English language that violates the rule "I before E except after C or when sounding like A as in neighbor and weigh."
Theres a u in neighbour

Raised spiritually aware, still spiritually aware.

Sorry I couldn't make spiritualism an option. The poll would have been a bit too long.

i was brought up catholic by my mum, but then i followed logic and became agnostic with my dad... and then i made up my own religion and it doesnt have a name yet :D

So is it just this forum, or is there an obvious trend towards secularism? People raised without religion don't become religious and many people raised in the church abandon it. Dare I extrapolate a few generations into the future?

Because it's one of the words in the English language that violates the rule "I before E except after C or when sounding like A as in neighbor and weigh."

Neighbour is spelt with a u.

Sorry I couldn't make spiritualism an option. The poll would have been a bit too long.
De nada, wasn't bitching.

Hm, I voted "raised religiously, now agnostic".

But actually my upbringing wasn't exactly religious.

Technically, I'm Catholic, and I guess I went through the motions, like Religious Education at school, communion at 9 yrs, confirmation (not sure about the correct English term) at 14 yrs. The latter two because everybody did (the former because its mandatory, duh). It would have been a pretty unusual step to not do it, and esp. with communion all the girls were just really excited they got to wear that pretty dress. :p
Hardly ever went to church, except on the odd christmas.

So, yeah, don't know what that says about my "(non)beliefs" today.

I waised raised agnostically, and, honestly, I think it made all the difference. My mother let me make up my own mind about God, and supported me through all my ridiculous spiritual phases. Now I'm a proud, self-assured aethiest, and I'm glad I was given the chance to decide on my own.
What about you? Did your religious upbringing change how you feel now?
Poll Coming.
I was raised by protestant parents (Lutheran) but they never forced any religion onto me. I even attended a church-run kindergarten (Catholic) but they didn't force any beliefs onto me, either. My parents were really great in the way they raised me - they've taught me the right ethics (do unto others etc.) but they didn't raise me through prohibition or fear but used understanding and lots of explaining.
I wasn't babtized as a child - they left it up to me whether I wanted to accept faith or not. So, at the age of 14, I chose to be babtized and had my confirmation at age 15.
While I don't attend church on a regular basis (well, if you call going to church on Christmas regular, then I go to church annually) but I have a strong faith in God and pray regularly.
Really don't know if that answers your question?

Raised spiritually aware, still spiritually aware.
Nicely phrased!

Theres a u in neighbour
Neighbour is spelt with a u.
No, not necessarily. While I can see you complaining about "atheist" - neighbor is absolutely acceptable.

I was raised a Catholic. Had my First Communion and everything. Still ended up an Atheist (you have to be non-native English speaker to spell it right :) )

I would call myself a Bright, but that just sound too pedantic even for me -- and that's a lot!

Because it's one of the words in the English language that violates the rule "I before E except after C or when sounding like A as in neighbor and weigh."

Like dozens of other words that seem to go by fine? Honestly, find me three words that DO follow that rule...

Raised a farmer, now I live in the city.

Big woop.

I don't know what I was raised to be, I know what I've become.

This is true for everything by the way: It does affect you, but that doesn't mean that if you are raised to love something that you will necessarily love that.

*Snipped*

Really don't know if that answers your question?



Yes, that's definately an answer. Of course, it's only one of the six and one half billion answers I need to really know the truth.

Neighbour is spelt with a u.

Nuighbor? Now you're just bein' silly.

I don't know what I was raised to be, I know what I've become.

This is true for everything by the way: It does affect you, but that doesn't mean that if you are raised to love something that you will necessarily love that.

That's very nicely put. I was hoping for something a little more startling and clear than that, but I guess I was off in my hypothesizing.

Yes, that's definately an answer. Of course, it's only one of the six and one half billion answers I need to really know the truth.
Patience, young Padawan - they might all show up, given enough time!

Nuighbor? Now you're just bein' silly.
http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/thumb.gif

No, not necessarily. While I can see you complaining about "atheist" - neighbor is absolutely acceptable.

I'd've failed it. I learnt English, not "American."

Nuighbor? Now you're just bein' silly.

Far be it from you.

Like dozens of other words that seem to go by fine? Honestly, find me three words that DO follow that rule...
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science
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I'd've failed it. I learnt English, not "American."
I learned British English in the first years at my German school, American English at my U.S. highschool and was then free to use either or later on at my German highschool. I opted for the latter 'cause I did more writing at highschool than in the years before. ;)

Theres a u in neighbour
Not in the American version. We spell some words differently over here.

quiet
science
pie

Science doesn't fit the rule.

I learned British English in the first years at my German school, American English at my U.S. highschool and was then free to use either or later on at my German highschool. I opted for the latter 'cause I did more writing at highschool than in the years before. ;)

Such an unfortunate corruption.

I really wish more people would post about their upbringing and how it influenced them - it could make an interesting read.

NSG seems very quiet today...

quiet
science
pie

I thought it said except after c, and it's after the c in science, so feh, I win. :P

Yeah....just saying, seems to be more exceptions to the rule than followers of it.

Yeah....just saying, seems to be more exceptions to the rule than followers of it.
That's the english language for you!

Such an unfortunate corruption.
No, not really. I save a lot of letters that I can use for other words :D

Science doesn't fit the rule.
Fuck. Yeah, you're right. Since I still owe you a word, let's go with "cries".

Fuck. Yeah, you're right. Since I still owe you a word, let's go with "cries".

Oh yeah well...Take this!:

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/I_before_E,_except_after_C

:P (just pick the ones out that are real words)

Weird - they even put foreign words like http://www.ezthemes.com/previews/b/budbeerdt.jpg on that list!

No, not really. I save a lot of letters that I can use for other words :D

Come now, I refuse to believe that the German economy is so bad that you have to ration letters.

Atheist!

Why the bloody devil is that so hard for people to spell?
Devils are bloody? :eek:

Come now, I refuse to believe that the German economy is so bad that you have to ration letters.
Nah, it ain't that bad (just yet). I save'em for better days or when I feel like living lavishly.
And if I spell suuuuuuuuunshine with all the saved-up "u"s it will shine longer! http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/sunny.gif

Devils are bloody? :eek:

Hell is big on sodomy, and all that.

Bloody hell!

Hell is big on sodomy, and all that.
Never quite got that one, myself. I thought it was supposed to be an unpleasant place...

I was born in the Church of England; my father is a priest. During my teen years I pretty much rejected all religion but as I got older I moved back to the Church. I even considered ordination myself at one point, although I very quickly realised that was certainly not for me.

I think faith requires that you reject and question it before you finally accept, so I wouldn't be surprised if this poll shows a lot of people moving away from religion considering the general age group of this forum. They may find they move back to the church again one day. I don't mean that in an arrogant 'you'll be back' fashion; simply that if you look at the composition of most churches, they tend to consist of people under 18, then a gap until you get to people with young children.

I have no problem at all with people rejecting faith or even ridiculing it, but I can never understand people who actually attack religion. My church, a middle of the road, liberal anglo-catholic place, has been vandalised in the past, and I always wonder what sort of person would do that. How can you be so thoughtless about the beliefs of others?

But I digress.

Nah, it ain't that bad (just yet). I save'em for better days or when I feel like being lavishly.

You would be lavish, not lavishly. Subject complements that are not nouns are adjectives, never adverbs.

And if I spell suuuuuuuuunshine with all the saved-up "u"s it will shine longer! http://www.studip.uni-goettingen.de/pictures/smile/sunny.gif

So much for German efficiency.

My grandparents, especially my grandmother, were hard-core Baptists. My father was agnostic. He was also the one who taught me to think for myself. I don't know what my biological mother was, but my step-mother was first a Methodist, then a member of the Assemblies of God, then a Christian & Missionary Alliance member.

My wife was raised Southern Baptist, but after we got married, we tried everything from fundamentalist to Episcopalian to Catholicism. When we moved to NC, we joined an independent church which billed itself as "Charismatic/Evangelical." She's still a member there.

When I was in the hospital after my military parachuting accident, no one ( not even the minister ) visited me, called me, or sent even so much as a postcard, even though I had been a member for about 12 years and a Sunday School teacher for two years.

I then went through one of my periodic self re-assessments, examining everything I did or believed. I concluded that, although there is definitely a spiritual side of man which we ignore at our peril, I no longer wanted anything to do with "organized religion."

I have my own beliefs, which include some aspects of Christianity, Hinduism and Buddism, but which are largely based on what some refer to as "deep ecology."

Probably more than you wanted to know, but you did, after all, ask. :)

Never quite got that one, myself. I thought it was supposed to be an unpleasant place...

It is to heterosexists, and they're the ones going there.

It is to heterosexists, and they're the ones going there.
What delicious irony. Good of you to point that out (I'm a bit of a heathen by Christian standards, so the finer points of these things sometimes elude me).

I was born in the Church of England; my father is a priest. During my teen years I pretty much rejected all religion but as I got older I moved back to the Church. I even considered ordination myself at one point, although I very quickly realised that was certainly not for me.

I think faith requires that you reject and question it before you finally accept, so I wouldn't be surprised if this poll shows a lot of people moving away from religion considering the general age group of this forum. They may find they move back to the church again one day. I don't mean that in an arrogant 'you'll be back' fashion; simply that if you look at the composition of most churches, they tend to consist of people under 18, then a gap until you get to people with young children.

I have no problem at all with people rejecting faith or even ridiculing it, but I can never understand people who actually attack religion. My church, a middle of the road, liberal anglo-catholic place, has been vandalised in the past, and I always wonder what sort of person would do that. How can you be so thoughtless about the beliefs of others?

But I digress.
Lot of truth in your words.
Believe me, I had my fair share of doubt (and still have ever once in a while - but more about me, not God) but it only makes my faith stronger once that's sorted out.

You would be lavish, not lavishly. Subject complements that are not nouns are adjectives, never adverbs.
Yeah, I noticed that right after I posted. (Hence the switch to "living" even before you got onto it :D)

raised Protestant my parents would say they're hard core but we haven't gone to church much, mostly because my dad hates every church we go to. I became agnostic when they threatened to throw me out for dating an atheist I just don't see how this boy's going to hell. I don't see why many of my agnostic or atheist friends would. If they aren't then that means you don't need to believe in God to go to heven which means organized religion is kind of pointless. I think that it seems a little silly to believe in stories handed down from generation to generation and finally written down as THE truth. I mean there's a good arguement for there to be a deity but I don't see a particularly strong arguement for the scriptures. Anyone see what I mean?

Anyone see what I mean?
Sure.

... if you look at the composition of most churches, they tend to consist of people under 18, then a gap until you get to people with young children.
That's true here as well. Many people seem to go through a period of rebellion, then a period of indifference, then a period of seeking. Finally, having children seems to be a sufficiently life-altering experience that many people feel a need for their children to experience what they themselves did. Obviously this does not happen with everyone.

My mom believes in God and was raised a Catholic, but she's not religious. My dad's family is Protestant but none are religious, i have no idea if he believes in God. I believed in God without a doubt up until a few years ago, now i'm Agnostic. My feelings about organized religion could very well come from my parents, even when i believed in God i never believed in organized religion, as neither of my parents seem to. I'm not sure if my Agnosticism came from them or not.

Well My parents are Catholics and I was sort of brought up that way, but they are pretty liberal and never talked about religion, plus I never listen to anything they say anyway so I was never influenced by them at all in that matter. (In-fact I was usually telling them why their beliefs were wrong;) ).

I'm 20 now and a firm Atheist so I went through this relatively recently (or sort of). We used to go to mass when I was young but I always hated it and stopped going when I was about 11. I must say I never really believed in Religion, even when I was really young, if a priest would say something like "and then Jesus came back to life" I’d be thinking 'ha, yeah right'.
I remember when everyone in the church was supposed to kneel down and silently pray, I'd be singing songs in my head, day-dreaming or just thinking about how idiotic it all was.
I think I still had some belief in God up until I was about 13, but after that I started thinking deeply about it and came to the Conclusion that he to was of-course only a figment of Human Imagination.

I told my sister (who is 2 years younger than me) about this when I was about 16 and we stayed up the hold night discussing it, and she came to the same conclusions I did, and is now also non-religious (though I suspect that she never really believed in it either).

I first told my parents that I didn't believe in Religion and was an Atheist, when we were doing a Census report. It asked each person in the family what religion they were and my dad was going to put down Catholic for everybody, but me and my Sister told him to tick "No Religion" for us.

I never even once believed in any of the Garbage in the Bible about Floods and Arks and all that, as when I was a Child (and now) I was really into Science, and I've understood and believed in the theory of Evolution for as long as I can remember.
Religion never held any attraction to me (only Revulsion), Science was much Cooler, and that's the way I've lived my life and intend to continue living it.:D

And for those who believe that going away from Religion is only "teenage rebellion" I just have to laugh at that, what an utter load of crap. Teenage years are simply the time when you can think for yourself and find the courage to go against your parents, that's way people dump religion in their teens.
The only time I can think of when people start becoming more religious is when they get old, then when death is near they get scared and go back to religion for some comfort, you certainly won't seem me doing that.

I wasn't raised as anything when it came to religion, and very few people I've met in Romania had ever had what you would call "religious", "atheistic", or even "agnostic" education - although religious relativism is the norm (which is mainly because the Orthodox Church itself is rather vague and lacking presence), and although I could go either way in the atheistic-religious choice (while being distinct from the usual interpretation in both cases), I have to say that people from this background that have made a clear choice have been in fact as likely to make either. Which is as true for the few that have been raised overtly religious/non-religious.

Ok this gets complicated:

My father comes from a family line of Plymouth Brethren, hard core protestantism. My mother is the daughter of a Russian Orthodox father and a Presbyterian mother. My wife was brought up Roman Catholic, and I was sent to an Anglican school.

Do I have a religion? No.

everything affects everything, but nothing absolves us of the moral responsibility to do our own thinking. this is a default responsibilitly created defacto by the observable conditions of existing. it is one with nothing to stop us individualy from choosing to ignore, other then that it is to our own detriment, both individualy and collectively to do so. nor does finding nor accepting any belief, disbelief or nonbelief, absolve us of this obligation, the first, final and ultimate, and possibly only, obligation, to ourselves, and through our selves, ultimately to all of existence.

this is what makes chauvanistic beliefs which encourage us to deny this responsibility and take whatever they feed us at face value, themselves immoral.

it is the cause of the majority of all that is unfortunate that has befallen this earth and our human species, that such beliefs, and equaly chauvanistic idiologies, have risen to the dominance they currently enjoy.

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Neighbour is spelt with a u.
In british english, yes, in american idiom, no.

My parents were non-religious, but encouraged us to attend religious education classes at school, go to church with friends, etc. I thought about religion a lot as a teenager, particularly after the death of my father, and came to the conclusion there is no god, afterlife, etc. I'm now a staunch atheist.

Huh ... I am still the only one person who selected "Raised as an athiest, now religious."

Isn't that interesting ...

I mean, sure, I was raised on tradition. Hebrew school at 3, became a bar mitzvah at 13, stomped on the glass under the canopy when I got married, etc etc. But both my parents were devoted athiests.

Meh ... whatev.

As for the i before e except after c, that only works for true english words, of which there are actually relatively few. Rather most words are cobbled together from other languages. When we find something we like, we steal it.

When we find something we like, we steal it.

:D

Awesome way to go through history, doncha think?

I was born in the Church of England; my father is a priest. During my teen years I pretty much rejected all religion but as I got older I moved back to the Church. I even considered ordination myself at one point, although I very quickly realised that was certainly not for me.

I think faith requires that you reject and question it before you finally accept, so I wouldn't be surprised if this poll shows a lot of people moving away from religion considering the general age group of this forum. They may find they move back to the church again one day. I don't mean that in an arrogant 'you'll be back' fashion; simply that if you look at the composition of most churches, they tend to consist of people under 18, then a gap until you get to people with young children.

I have no problem at all with people rejecting faith or even ridiculing it, but I can never understand people who actually attack religion. My church, a middle of the road, liberal anglo-catholic place, has been vandalised in the past, and I always wonder what sort of person would do that. How can you be so thoughtless about the beliefs of others?

But I digress.

It would seem that spiritual development progresses along the same lines as intellectual development:

Child: Doesn't know anything and will listen to those older and wiser to gain knowledge

Teenager: Thinks they know everything and will listen to nobody

Adult: Reality sinks in, realizes they still don't know anything and start listening again to those who are older and wiser

I think the main difference between a child and adult as far as spiritual beliefs go is that when a child experiences bad outcomes, they will blame their mentors for giving them bad advice and will listen less. When adults experience bad outcomes, they will blame themselves for not understanding the advice of their mentors and will listen more carefully in the future.

I waised raised agnostically, and, honestly, I think it made all the difference. My mother let me make up my own mind about God, and supported me through all my ridiculous spiritual phases. Now I'm a proud, self-assured aethiest, and I'm glad I was given the chance to decide on my own.
What about you? Did your religious upbringing change how you feel now?
Poll Coming.

10 options available on a poll, and you used 9, without putting up an other for people like me. I was raised agnoistic in a Christian background, and my religion (Buddhism) is atheistic. :D

My church, a middle of the road, liberal anglo-catholic place, has been vandalised in the past, and I always wonder what sort of person would do that. How can you be so thoughtless about the beliefs of others?
It’s easy when said beliefs are so ridiculous.

What about you? Did your religious upbringing change how you feel now?
Poll Coming.

It depends on what you think a religion actually is. If you limit yourself to questions like "Does God exist ?" ,"Is God Male, Female or Other" or "Allah, Jahweh or Atum" - no.

However, in my opinion religion is a lot more than believing in a superior being. It gives people a sense of what they consider right or wrong, colours perception by introducing bias and changes the way they reason. In my experience many people that say they no longer believe in God still "think Christian": they still use mostly Christian morals and look at the world in a mostly Christian way. They do not bother to actually reevaluate everything they were taught - which of course they should...
I myself have tried, but my gut keeps nagging life would be so much easier if I just obeyed the ideas imposed by society and youngster "brainwashing".

I was fortunate enough to have a very loving upbringing from my mother. The best thing about her is that she has never forced something like religion on me even though she herself is a Christian and I love her for that. Even though I do not communicate with my father he is also Christian. I used to believe there was some sort of higher power but the path that my life has taken over the past 10 years and the things I've experienced have pretty much proved me wrong. Proud athiest!

Now a best friend whom was female I used to have...I felt so bad for her. Her mother was a truly devout Christian and made her attend church every Sunday and involved her in every single church thing whether she wanted to or not. Last time we spoke to eachother was nearly 4 years ago and I felt so bad for her. She was becoming a missionary and traveling to Trinidad and Tobago. I know that if she would have made a few mere choices about her life and future (as well as experiencing some real life for herself), she would have been a completely normal teenage girl who had just graduated high school. She had never even been allowed to date boys... :( *sigh*

It’s easy when said beliefs are so ridiculous.
Well I'm glad you're so enlightened in your beliefs. "Hey, I don't believe in their God! What should I do? Walk past? Respect their faith? Ignore them? No! Let's trash the place!"

Well I'm glad you're so enlightened in your beliefs. "Hey, I don't believe in their God! What should I do? Walk past? Respect their faith? Ignore them? No! Let's trash the place!"
I surely don't understand that. And another thing that really upsets me is when kids spraypaint and tag churches.
If I had any say in that, I'd opt for smiting. As I don't, I can only sadly shake my head at their blatant disrespect and stupidity and hope they find forgiveness.

Well I'm glad you're so enlightened in your beliefs. "Hey, I don't believe in their God! What should I do? Walk past? Respect their faith? Ignore them? No! Let's trash the place!"
It’s the only thing you kind of people will notice. You dismiss those who don’t believe what you do as “lost.” Bah.

It’s the only thing you kind of people will notice. You dismiss those who don’t believe what you do as “lost.” Bah.
When have I ever said that?

Don't confuse (funda)mentalists with what the majority of Christian's believe.

I was raised in both the Unitarian Universalist church (by my mom) and the Roman Catholic church (by my dad). I ended up choosing Unitarian Universalism, because my beliefs just didn't fit with Catholic dogma.

In british english, yes, in american idiom, no.

Not to be pedantic, but what you infer as "British English" is actually ENGLISH. "American english" is a perverted digression, dumbing down both spelling and grammar for, what one can only assume is a less intelligent nation.:D

When have I ever said that?

Don't confuse (funda)mentalists with what the majority of Christian's believe.
Then what is the point of worshiping a God who really doesn’t give a fuck then? Pointless activities that don’t stimulate the economy irritate me.
I was raised in both the Unitarian Universalist church (by my mom) and the Roman Catholic church (by my dad). I ended up choosing Unitarian Universalism, because my beliefs just didn't fit with Catholic dogma.
Like this here. Why be a Unitarian? Why not just live the happy life of an agnostic and wash yourself of the taint of organized religion all together?

As for the i before e except after c, that only works for true english words, of which there are actually relatively few. Rather most words are cobbled together from other languages. When we find something we like, we steal it.

Like Iraqi oil?

Like Iraqi oil?
You win every thread, ever.

Neighbour is spelt with a u.

No, spelt is some kind of dinosaur pyramid wheat. Much better for you than normal wheat.

No, spelt is some kind of dinosaur pyramid wheat. Much better for you than normal wheat.
My God, you just caught Fass in a gramatical error. I take it back Chris. Quagmus wins.

Not to be pedantic, but what you infer as "British English" is actually ENGLISH. "American english" is a perverted digression, dumbing down both spelling and grammar for, what one can only assume is a less intelligent nation.:D

And yet Shakespeare would probably prefer the American pronunciation.

And yet Shakespeare would probably prefer the American pronunciation.

No. Shakespeare simply couldn't be bothered with spelling, however the US format takes spelling errors and accepts them as the rule.

Then what is the point of worshiping a God who really doesn’t give a fuck then? Pointless activities that don’t stimulate the economy irritate me.
And here you show your total lack of understanding of what faith is. It won't make sense to you if you don't have it. It makes sense to me because I do. There's no point trying to explain it; all I do is repeat what I said before, and say not to confuse the extreme minority with the majority. That's a fairly good rule for most things in life.

Catholic father, Presbyterian mother (nice combination for Northern Ireland at the time). Neither were especially religious though I was sent to church as a kid - both churches (had my parents not separated, presumably I'd only have gone to the Catholic church, as that religion insists upon bringing up offspring of a mixed marriage in its beliefs. As it stood, my mother felt it appropriate to expose me to both religions). Saw contradictions and cruelty in their teachings, refused to go to either by the time I was about six or seven, completely lost faith in a God a few years later.

Class myself as an atheist, and have done so for quite some time, because I believe that, on the balance of probability, there is not likely to be a God(s).

My God, you just caught Fass in a gramatical error. I take it back Chris. Quagmus wins.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but he did no such thing. The conjugation of "spell" is "spell, spelt, spelt." (http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/irregular-verbs/spell.html) Funny how you know so little about your own language

Oh, and it's spelt "grammatical."

Sorry to burst your bubble, but he did no such thing. The conjugation of "spell" is "spell, spelt, spelt." (http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/irregular-verbs/spell.html) Funny how you know so little about your own language

Oh, and it's spelt "grammatical."

Spelt bread is rather tasty, whereas spelled bread is highly unsafe, especially for muggles....

Nuighbor? Now you're just bein' silly.


no, you're being silly. it's "neighboru".

Of course how we're raised affects what we believe.

It's obviously not a one to one correlation, but even if you're raised Christian and become atheist, you tend to still celebrate Christmas and have mostly Judeo-Christian beliefs (Minus a few of their more totalitarian morals).

For instance, atheists who were raised Christian tend to have values similar to what Jesus preached in the gospels ('Love thy neighbor', 'Let he who is without sin', etc). But, not believe that gay people were sent by Satan to corrupt our children and usher in the apocolypse.

People tend to develop their moral beliefs and choose their religion based on what they're told to believe and what all the people around them believe at an early age.

Devils are bloody? :eek:


of course they are! you don't think devils wear red tights, do you?

Then what is the point of worshiping a God who really doesn’t give a fuck then? Pointless activities that don’t stimulate the economy irritate me.

Like this here. Why be a Unitarian? Why not just live the happy life of an agnostic and wash yourself of the taint of organized religion all together?


ooh, a religion-nazi! let's see, what would be a great way to show people that atheism is superior to religious fanaticism and intolerance? I know! let's indulge in some atheistic fanaticism and intolerance!

like, religious fanatics are like that because they believe in some kind of absolute transcendent "Truth". what's your excuse?

Well, I don't know if I was raised religous or not. Like most danes, my parents consider themself christians, but in my entire life they have never been to a church if it was not for something like mariage or someones funeral.

I am an atheist, and I have never belived in a religion.

Raised Catholic, now a non-abrahamic agnostic exploring various things...

I waised raised agnostically, and, honestly, I think it made all the difference. My mother let me make up my own mind about God, and supported me through all my ridiculous spiritual phases. Now I'm a proud, self-assured aethiest, and I'm glad I was given the chance to decide on my own.
What about you? Did your religious upbringing change how you feel now?
Poll Coming.

Sounds exactly like me. Let's make a club!

Religions and States wouldn’t work very well if we weren’t profoundly influenced by the way were raised. Otherwise there would be no family traditions, loyalties, or much else. I think though that some people choose define themselves outside of how they were taught, which is good if you were raised by the KKK for instance.

The Bruce