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Back in the day I used to be nice to women I fancied but never got further than being a 'friend'. :headbang:

Then I became less nice and more of a bastard and women were falling over themselves to get me into bed.

Now I have a girlfriend who was attracted to me because I was an a-hole. But now she wants me to be nice, but that nice me is gone.

Why are women so perverse?

Unpredictability, excitement, adventure. Someone confident, who can show them a good time and never fail to surprise and delight.

They like the challenge. Be nice from time to time, though. But not too much that she gets bored or thinks she's got you figured out. That'll keep her happy.

Why are women attracted to assholes?

Because assholes are fun to stick things in.

What a dumb question.

Next!

I rather expect that some women are attracted to a-holes just as some men are attracted to bitches for a variety of reasons.

Conversely some women are attracted to nice guys and some men are attracted to nice gals. Perhaps the problem is you are mostly attracted to gals that are attracted to a-holes. Evidently most men who are attracted to bitches also seem to want nice once they get their bitch....

People huh?!:confused:

*sigh* the world is a confusing place

Why are women attracted to assholes?

Because assholes are fun to stick things in.

What a dumb question.

Next!

Harsh, man. Harsh...

Why are women attracted to assholes?

Because assholes are fun to stick things in.

What a dumb question.

Next!


As my mother used to say: If you've got nothing nice to say, say nothing at all. You're worse than the kids who post on the World of Warcraft forums.

... men are attracted to bitches ...:confused:

That is news for me.
I know lots of males.. soemtimes we talk about this stuff.. We all hate bitches... unless maybe some of us are very good actors (telling the other guys they hate bitches..and actually they like them)

As my mother used to say: If you've got nothing nice to say, say nothing at all. You're worse than the kids who post on the World of Warcraft forums.

No ... because I didn't use any 1337. :D

Oh ... and I'm the Asshole every girl who ever said "No, I've got to study" to you was actually going out to see.

:confused:

That is news for me.
You didnt realise that some men are attracted to bitches?! Wow, maybe you should get out more...:confused:

Being nice doesn't make one sexually desirable. People are hardwired into finding someone interesting, someone above and beyond the average joes and janes. After the short term attraction is over and the dust settles, people start moving into long term territory. That's when the asshole needs to show he has more than one card to play.

You didnt realise that some men are attracted to bitches?! Wow, maybe you should get out more...:confused:
wait.. you mean to say bitches like in "sluts".. YES we are atracted to sluts..

I was thinking more about females that are on their "special time of the month" state of mind.. :D

wait.. you mean to say bitches like in "sluts".. YES we are atracted to sluts..

I was thinking more about females that are on their "special time of the month" state of mind.. :D
No I mean bitches as in a-holes, as in not the nicest folk around.

You didnt realise that some men are attracted to bitches?! Wow, maybe you should get out more...:confused:

I never hear about guys who are attracted to anything resembling a bitch. You get girls who claim they like "bad boys", presumably to be rebellious or because they think they can "change" them. Usually, when a girl's talking about a major project like this, she means a boyfriend. When a guy talks about a project like this, he means a car.

I have never heard a guy say he was attracted to a bitch. Sure, some guys end up with bitches and won't break up with them for reasons no one understands (my fiancee had a close guy friend who was with a major, super-jealous, controlling bitch of a girlfriend for years and years to the point where she thought they would get married. Predictably, though, she cheated and they broke up, but the story has a happy ending for now...he's with a nicer girl now.)

I never hear about guys who are attracted to anything resembling a bitch.

Then you clearly haven't met my second wife.

No I mean bitches as in a-holes, as in not the nicest folk around.You know what.. One of us is wrong.. (could be me)

we should do a POLL to sort it out a bit.

As my mother used to say: If you've got nothing nice to say, say nothing at all. You're worse than the kids who post on the World of Warcraft forums.


Keruvalia > you (and a lot of other posters on this forum)

Haha, before I could see the entire post title, I thought the name of the topic was going to be "Why are women attracted to Tucker Max?" because one of my friends asked me that a few days ago.

... but I guess that makes sense. It's about the same meaning as the post here XB.

Same way men are attracted to bitches. For sure.

Then you clearly haven't met my second wife.Prove it!

I mean.. that kind of remark ought to be accompanied with a Picture. Its clearly stated somewhere on the "rules and etiquette" NS rule-book .. :D

I never hear about guys who are attracted to anything resembling a bitch. You get girls who claim they like "bad boys", presumably to be rebellious or because they think they can "change" them. Usually, when a girl's talking about a major project like this, she means a boyfriend. When a guy talks about a project like this, he means a car.

I have never heard a guy say he was attracted to a bitch. Sure, some guys end up with bitches and won't break up with them for reasons no one understands (my fiancee had a close guy friend who was with a major, super-jealous, controlling bitch of a girlfriend for years and years to the point where she thought they would get married. Predictably, though, she cheated and they broke up, but the story has a happy ending for now...he's with a nicer girl now.)
What people say only represents what they both realise and admit to.

I know very few women who actually are just plain bitches, yet a disporportionate number of males have just broken up with one, are paying child support to one, just got led-on/teased/knocked back by one...etc. The only explanation (tongue firmly in cheek) for this discrepancy is that a number of men are attracted to bitches. Whether or not this is a large portion or it just happens that those particular men have a lot of relationships, I dont know. What I do know is that most women are not bitches, yet most X-wives/girlfriends and the custodial mothers of mens' children are....or at least that is the story a large and/or vocal group of men are putting about.

Evidently I do know a lot of men that are attracted to bitches. They (the men I know of who are attracted to bitches) dont seem to realise this - most think that they are attracted to 'women' and that all or most women are bitches....

Women like a-holes because they're also a-holes.

Next question!

I'm not attracted to assholes. I do like guys that may seem like the bad boy on the surface, if you are going to pay attention to stereotypes, but who really aren't. I had a crush on a guy in elementary school, then in grade 8 he turned into a complete jerk and i no longer liked him.

Prove it!

I mean.. that kind of remark ought to be accompanied with a Picture. Its clearly stated somewhere on the "rules and etiquette" NS rule-book .. :D

Looks can be deceiving. Sometimes.

Looks can be deceiving.(after I take a good look at the evidence) I will be the judge of that ;)

Back in the day I used to be nice to women I fancied but never got further than being a 'friend'. :headbang:

Then I became less nice and more of a bastard and women were falling over themselves to get me into bed.

Now I have a girlfriend who was attracted to me because I was an a-hole. But now she wants me to be nice, but that nice me is gone.

Why are women so perverse?
To understand this you must first understand that women are hard-wired to have things more difficult than they need to be. A nice guy (Which is what sooooooo many women SAY they want) doesn't stand a chance with a beautiful woman because he's already a nice guy and that would be too simple. An asshole is someone that a woman will think she can change and therefore she will opt for the more difficult path.

:cool:

To understand this you must first understand that women are hard-wired to have things more difficult than they need to be. A nice guy (Which is what sooooooo many women SAY they want) doesn't stand a chance with a beautiful woman because he's already a nice guy and that would be too simple. An asshole is someone that a woman will think she can change and therefore she will opt for the more difficult path.

:cool:
My man's nice. Does this mean I am not beautiful?:confused:

Gee thanks!:upyours: :D

You can't even say that women like men and be accurate, so...



Or for a different answer-because only stogy old capatilists and 'old boy' politicians like sycophants...

I am not beautiful?of course you are honey.. :fluffle:

But to be fair.. I will have to ask you what I asked Keruvalia.. :D

My man's nice. Does this mean I am not beautiful?:confused:

Gee thanks!:upyours: :D
There's a fairly good chance that your man is what you consider nice. Send me some pics and I'll let you know if you're beautiful or not.

:cool:

Same way men are attracted to bitches. For sure.

I don’t think so men are not attracted to bitches, yes sometimes they will put up with them because of various, talents for lack of a better term.
But guys are by nature attracted to submissive women (which bitches clearly are not), just as women are attracted to dominant males (jerks)

Nice guys are not necessarily submissive but do not come across as dominant because they usually aim to please, especially with a woman and doing things for others makes them seem submissive, they see to their needs and ask what they want, a jerk does what is best for himself which in a primal way suggests dominance.

My man's nice. Does this mean I am not beautiful?:confused:

You could be lying about "your man." Like OceanDrive said we need photographic evidence.

Hmmm, I would say that more often they are just attracted to confidence, but often (especially while young) can't tell confidence from just not giving a fuck.

they're dumb and they know it, but dont care

why are men attracted to T&A?

same thing

we're all just stupid, pathetic animals, "cultured apes" as AD Hope said


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I don’t think so men are not attracted to bitches, yes sometimes they will put up with them because of various, talents for lack of a better term.
But guys are by nature attracted to submissive women (which bitches clearly are not), just as women are attracted to dominant males (jerks)

Nice guys are not necessarily submissive but do not come across as dominant because they usually aim to please, especially with a woman and doing things for others makes them seem submissive, they see to their needs and ask what they want, a jerk does what is best for himself which in a primal way suggests dominance.exactamente...

*only 4 posts.. and he already sounds like a pro.*
*writes down the name Poitter.. *

i am looking forward to more quality posts from you..

I know the pain of being kind and getting left behind for it. My brother has a story about it. He was in a school and he did not have many friends. He kept going being nice. As soon as he was in high school it payed off. He had 2 nice girlfriends during highschool (not at the same time). Now he is in collage and has a girlfriend and is very happy. It shows giving is not the always the best thing. My brother has a nice girlfirend and he is happy with who he is. Although this has not happened to me I will not give in the whole A-hole thing. If someone is going to like me it will be for who I am. Not what someone else wants me too.:)

While there is no doubt in my mind that some women prefer assholes, I wonder if the number that does is exaggerated by jealous men. Men, who for whatever reason, think that a women would be better off with them and write off the man who does “get the girl” as an asshole.

While there is no doubt in my mind that some women prefer assholes, I wonder if the number that does is exaggerated by jealous men. Men, who for whatever reason, think that a women would be better off with them and write off the man who does “get the girl” as an asshole.I guess there is a some of that too.("nice" guys did not get the girls.. so they complain)

of course you are honey.. :fluffle:
You're very kind...:D

But to be fair.. I will have to ask you what I asked Keruvalia.. :D
To be fair, I've no idea what you aksed Keruvalia...:confused:

There's a fairly good chance that your man is what you consider nice. Send me some pics and I'll let you know if you're beautiful or not.
Well he's not an a-hole; he doesnt start fights, is kind to small animals - including young children, he doesnt litter, steal candy from babies, or beat up old ladies...:p

I don’t think so men are not attracted to bitches, yes sometimes they will put up with them because of various, talents for lack of a better term.
But guys are by nature attracted to submissive women (which bitches clearly are not), just as women are attracted to dominant males (jerks)
That's right! And all Asians are good at maths...every black man can jump....it's always the black sheep who cause trouble - all other sheep just follow along like, well like sheep...

...white folk can't dance, and every Middle Eastern man is a terrorist or a 'play-boy shiek'. All Middle Eastern women are either exploited door mats or belly dancers. Harem women are both...

...next week on stereotype generalisiations we see that all Latin men are great lovers, all Jews are rich and oily, while Greeks are poor and oily, except for that Ari-guy but we dont talk about him after the Jackie Onassis insistent....impudent little Greekman - he should have stuck to Opera stars...

You could be lying about "your man." Like OceanDrive said we need photographic evidence.
Photographic evidence cannot prove whether or not my man is nice in the sense of 'not being an a-hole'...
as for lying, so could everyone else be...the conversation goes nowhere if we
only believe the 'proven' non -lies...

Back in the day I used to be nice to women I fancied but never got further than being a 'friend'. :headbang:

Then I became less nice and more of a bastard and women were falling over themselves to get me into bed.

Now I have a girlfriend who was attracted to me because I was an a-hole. But now she wants me to be nice, but that nice me is gone.

Why are women so perverse?


Not all women are like that,friend. I would never go out with an assholish guy. Ever.

Well he's not an a-hole; he is doesnt start fights, is kind to small animals - including young children, he doesnt litter, steal candy from babies, or beat up old ladies...:p
Bah! All that applies to me too and I'm not nice.
all Latin men are great lovers
Nice of you to notice :D

Photographic evidence cannot prove whether or not my man is nice in the sense of 'not being an a-hole'...
I don't require photgraphic evidence of him to see if he's nice. I require photographic evidence of you, to see if you're beautiful.

as for lying, so could everyone else be...the conversation goes nowhere if we only believe the 'proven' non -lies...
Hmmm... that would explain a lot about NS General *ponders*

So be mean and fun and all the girls are yours?

So be mean and fun and all the girls are yours?
Not mean, confident and not afraid of them. And yes, fun.

Not mean, confident and not afraid of them. And yes, fun.

Was kinda kidding, but yes. ^^

Back in the day I used to be nice to women I fancied but never got further than being a 'friend'. :headbang:

Then I became less nice and more of a bastard and women were falling over themselves to get me into bed.

Now I have a girlfriend who was attracted to me because I was an a-hole. But now she wants me to be nice, but that nice me is gone.

Why are women so perverse?
Good question.

I will answer like the way Davan answered Mike in the webcomic 'Something Positive'.

Women aren't attracted to a-holes. Women are attracted to confident men who are straightforward about their intentions. And you resent them out of jealousy.

I will answer like the way Davan answered Mike in the webcomic 'Something Positive'.

Women aren't attracted to a-holes. Women are attracted to confident men who are straightforward about their intentions. And you resent them out of jealousy.
This Davan person is very wise.

I'm not really sure why women are attracted to assholes but I do know that I have been attracted to a few of them in the past. I've also learned that many times you don't naturally find out that the guy is a douchebag until it's too late and you're already well into the relationship with them and it seems almost difficult to escape him becasue you have feelings for him. Similar to the way a battered woman would think if you will. I'm single now and even though my ex and I broke up over 8 months ago I'm still not over him because I loved him so. At the same time I still can't believe how much of an asshole and a cheater he really turned out to be.

Now also unfortunately I'm cursed with this thing called terrible luck with guys. The men that I can't stand and don't have any feelings or desires to be with period are the ones that are always trying to get somewhere with me. And you obviously can't date someone whom you don't like in that way or have feelings for. And every once in awhile a guy comes along that I end up really liking and either A. they don't like me back or B. I end up as the "dear abbey" and best friend. Plus I'm picky about guys (but not intentionally, it's just how I am). There could be a line of 1,000 guys and I'd be lucky if I found one out of that 1,000 that I'd even be interested in. I hate normal guys and I'm not shallow. I just need that certain spark or something from within that makes me attracted to them.

So that's pretty much where I'm at now. I love my best friend of 5 years in so many ways. He's the greatest guy and the only guy around here that I even have a single desire for. But once again I'm stuck in the whole best friend crap. So I've decided that I'm just done with it all. I'm the type of woman I want what I want and that's that. I've decided to just not be anyone's friend anymore...not out of spite but for emotions sake. It's just not worth the depression and the lonliness of wanting to be with someone but it not seeming to go anywhere. I'd rather be alone if I can't be with the person that I want to be with. Maybe all I can hope for in the future is a simple twist of fate... :(

I'm not really sure why women are attracted to assholes but I do know that I have been attracted to a few of them in the past. I've also learned that many times you don't naturally find out that the guy is a douchebag until it's too late and you're already well into the relationship with them and it seems almost difficult to escape him becasue you have feelings for him. Similar to the way a battered woman would think if you will. I'm single now and even though my ex and I broke up over 8 months ago I'm still not over him because I loved him so. At the same time I still can't believe how much of an asshole and a cheater he really turned out to be.

Now also unfortunately I'm cursed with this thing called terrible luck with guys. The men that I can't stand and don't have any feelings or desires to be with period are the ones that are always trying to get somewhere with me. And you obviously can't date someone whom you don't like in that way or have feelings for. And every once in awhile a guy comes along that I end up really liking and either A. they don't like me back or B. I end up as the "dear abbey" and best friend. Plus I'm picky about guys (but not intentionally, it's just how I am). There could be a line of 1,000 guys and I'd be lucky if I found one out of that 1,000 that I'd even be interested in. I hate normal guys and I'm not shallow. I just need that certain spark or something from within that makes me attracted to them.

So that's pretty much where I'm at now. I love my best friend of 5 years in so many ways. He's the greatest guy and the only guy around here that I even have a single desire for. But once again I'm stuck in the whole best friend crap. So I've decided that I'm just done with it all. I'm the type of woman I want what I want and that's that. I've decided to just not be anyone's friend anymore...not out of spite but for emotions sake. It's just not worth the depression and the lonliness of wanting to be with someone but it not seeming to go anywhere. I'd rather be alone if I can't be with the person that I want to be with. Maybe all I can hope for in the future is a simple twist of fate... :(
If you're desperate enough, calastrology.com, has some items that MIGHT "nudge" fate in your favor. :)

Personally, I think the problem is that people seem to confuse confidence with over[I]-confidence. One can be confident without being an asshole or a bitch. An asshole usually is confident to the point that he thinks he's better than everyone else.

Also, I'd like to point out that of the women I've met, many [I]are attracted to assholes, but it seems that the ones who have been hurt badly in previous relationships, and therefore have trust issues with men (which seem to be the ones I attract the most, maybe because I tend to be a nice guy), tend to want a nice guy who will respect them, as they're fed up with the assholes. So I think it may be one of those things where, you think it's what you want, but once you have it, you realize it ain't really all that great after all.

If you're desperate enough, www.calastrology.com, has some items that MIGHT "nudge" fate in your favor. :)

o.o? Do I even want to ask?

I honestly think we like ass-holes cause we love a good challange, thinking "I can change him" but in reality it never...never ever happens.

as to the girl who still has feelings for the doosh 8 monthes later, comeone if you felt the realationship was to terrible so later on you shouldn't have tries to continoue to invest in it, I see no point in caring for a man whom you know will treat you badly, as hard as it is you got move on and break the pattern others you just keep going and goin like a broken record only to repeat the process

I used to have the same thing... but instead of thinking there was something necessarily wrong with me, I figured there was something fundamentally wrong with those women, and I'd wait for someone who wanted a nice guy.
Now happily engaged, and will be married next year. :)
Not that I'm COMPLETELY a nice guy... but I doubt you'd ever find anyone who knows me who would say I'm an A-hole. :p

see! NOW HE'S HOT I wouldn't want no asshole anyways
you have be smart when you date, well that or really really horney in that case though you can get a hooker

I hear it's to do with penis size.

not really no.. I mean it helps but its not everything

How you use it. :)

exactly as long as the person can keep up with me its all good...no matter what the page on the kama sutra

not really no.. I mean it helps but its not everything
Yes, and I've had this particular conversation before, as it happens. I understand; it's not penis length so much - and how it's used certainly does make a great difference, but - when the women I've spoken to on the subject choose to be more candid, it's always the same: it's penis girth that is a prime attractor. A thicker member is a more desirable member.

Not like I'm uptight about it - I've always thought it was just funny that the women I knew would initially protest that "penis size" had nothing or little to do with their choices, but if I was taken into their confidence, I found that was only nominally true.

i guess to some woman it is important note to me as much
they'res is a thing though as too big to the point where it hurts...so I do stick with the "how you use it plan" thank you very much, I like my kinky boys

First, I agree, the only time I hear that men are attracted to bitches is when a woman is upset about being nice to a chap when it didn't work out and regrets it.

Some women would also be unplesant if only they had the guts. They dream of being malicious cows, but are 'nice' to fit in. They of coure only see unpleasent men as brave. Warped, but the way it can work.

"I used to have the same thing... but instead of thinking there was something necessarily wrong with me, I figured there was something fundamentally wrong with those women" - this seems incisive.

Furthermore, generally the better man as a husband and Dad (I am nt saying this is concious) is one who can take control and look after you without being vulnerable. A certain amount of arrogance does go down well, generally I find it is better to be arrogant but think everyone else is great too.

So, linking together the arsehole/penis size debate here. (something I don't believe I have ever said)

I have one small point to make.

The "nice guys" become the friend, whom the girl will talk more candidly about sex etc with, the arse does not. Correct?

Now personally I'm thinking the "nice guy" is the one you're wanting in the sack, all the characteristics of being nice (giving, generous etc) with the added bonus of all those little tips about women he picked from years of listening to his friends and not getting laid.

not me I want it upffront even if its harsh who cares if it hurst a lil bit, I'd rather know the truth

Back in the day I used to be nice to women I fancied but never got further than being a 'friend'. :headbang:

Then I became less nice and more of a bastard and women were falling over themselves to get me into bed.

Now I have a girlfriend who was attracted to me because I was an a-hole. But now she wants me to be nice, but that nice me is gone.

Why are women so perverse?
I've always made more friends being an asshole. Of course, I never wanted friends, but things don't always work out according to design. Women initially want assholes, presuming they do, because society tells them that a detached, aggressive male is what they want. They confuse society's commands for their own desires. At some point, they start ignoring that message in society and go for the family-oriented message society sends.

its depends on the type she likes, me I dont like assholes.
but regardless no girl is gonna go after a guy in a the friend zone

First, I agree, the only time I hear that men are attracted to bitches is when a woman is upset about being nice to a chap when it didn't work out and regrets it.
I like a little darkness in my women, for sexual reasons anyway. I find nothing more sexually attractive than a coy woman with a cynical tolerance for the small evils.

Personally, I think the problem is that people seem to confuse confidence with [I]over[I]-confidence. One can be confident without being an asshole or a bitch. An asshole usually is confident to the point that he thinks he's better than everyone else.

Couldn't agree with you more. In my opinion, confidence makes a guy hot, whereas arrogance and cockiness couldn't be more of a turnoff.

I like a little darkness in my women, for sexual reasons anyway. I find nothing more sexually attractive than a coy woman with a cynical tolerance for the small evils.

That is hardly the same thing.

This debate is nonsense. It is centred around:

Manly arse vs Wet, pathetic boy.

I am a nice chap, I am also try to be nice if a tad egotistical. I am not pathetic wet and whiney though, and I can understand why women do not want that.

its depends on the type she likes, me I dont like assholes.
but regardless no girl is gonna go after a guy in a the friend zone
That's not necessarily true, just the most likely outcome. That probably has to do with maintaining secure man-relations. Why the hell do I always get the damned friend role!?:mad:

As with most things, the first impression is based around a careful balence of confidence. Too much and they think you are an arrogant prick, too little and you don't stand out from the crowd. A-holes are usually very confident, and don't reveal their over-confidence until later in the relationship. So they have a greater chance of getting the girl. Of course some girls like the under-confident look, but I'm afraid not many. With them also it seems to me that you need to exibit some bravery, even if they can see while you're doing it that you're petrified that they'll blow you off. Just my £0.02

That's not necessarily true, just the most likely outcome. That probably has to do with maintaining secure man-relations. Why the hell do I always get the damned friend role!?:mad:
Because a lot of women are dumb. You're better off maintaining a relationship with your penis instead.

That is hardly the same thing.

This debate is nonsense. It is centred around:

Manly arse vs Wet, pathetic boy.

I am a nice chap, I am also try to be nice if a tad egotistical. I am not pathetic wet and whiney though, and I can understand why women do not want that.
I know. They aren't really very bitchy; I just felt like mentioning what I find sexually appealing. ;) Intelligence is good, too, very sexy.

Because a lot of women are dumb. You're better off maintaining a relationship with your penis instead.
But all the women I want aren't dumb, so that isn't it.:confused: And a relationship with my penis just depresses me.

Seriously. How many threads have there been like this?

Perhaps the reason you're having trouble with relationships is because you're treating women as one big blob of a gender and not bothering to think of them as, you know, individuals?

Different women like different things, have different views about relationships, want different things, have different standards and ways of behaving... You can't expect to just follow a set of simple guidelines about women because there are none. Just like there aren't any about men either. People aren't simple - they're complicated and a relationship will only work if you can put in the effort to try and make it work, and to do that you have to mould the relationship to what works best for you both.

This applies to starting a relationship - different things work for different people. Some people seem to be attracted to jerks, some are attracted to people purely on looks, some people are attracted to people based on humour or confidence or kindness, some people generally start at friendship and build relationships off this.

You can generalise and rant all you like but it won't get you anything except an unhealthier view of relationships which only decreases your likelihood of getting anywhere.

You didnt realise that some men are attracted to bitches?! Wow, maybe you should get out more...:confused:
Only Mummas Boys.
Can someone burp me?

That is news for me.
I know lots of males.. soemtimes we talk about this stuff.. We all hate bitches... unless maybe some of us are very good actors (telling the other guys they hate bitches..and actually they like them)
We typically don't think of them as bitches when we are attracted to them, because that word has no positive connotations.

Keruvalia > you (and a lot of other posters on this forum)
There shall be no heirarchy on the NS General forum.

A nice guy (Which is what sooooooo many women SAY they want) doesn't stand a chance with a beautiful woman because he's already a nice guy and that would be too simple.
Why do you say *beautiful* woman?

No-one likes sycophants and lackeys (which is what many "nice guys" are), not as friends or romantic partners.


But guys are by nature attracted to submissive women (which bitches clearly are not), just as women are attracted to dominant males (jerks)
This is not natural, it's cutural gender roles. Many men are attracted to dominant, or at least non-submissive women. I don't want a girl who wants to be my property, nor do I want one who wishes to own me.

Though afterwards we do....though I think everyone knows what a bitch is... and no I am not talking about a female dog. :P

Yes, start off assholish with the occasional disarming niceness. This will get girls in droves. Once you find the right one (this can be difficult), don't get nice right away. Give it about 6 months to a year, if she can take it. After that you can be as nice as you like and she will think that she changed you. She will appreciate it forever and think it's a miracle, and will rarely expect much else from you since you already made such a dramatic turnaround. This is the secret to a happy relationship: low expectations.

This is not natural, it's cutural gender roles. Many men are attracted to dominant, or at least non-submissive women. I don't want a girl who wants to be my property, nor do I want one who wishes to own me.


Quite right. I like a girl who is willing and able to stand up for herself. I also hate when a girl expects me to do everything in the relationship.

Yes, start off assholish with the occasional disarming niceness. This will get girls in droves. Once you find the right one (this can be difficult), don't get nice right away. Give it about 6 months to a year, if she can take it. After that you can be as nice as you like and she will think that she changed you. She will appreciate it forever and think it's a miracle, and will rarely expect much else from you since you already made such a dramatic turnaround. This is the secret to a happy relationship: low expectations.

Manipulative aren't we?

"Why are women attracted to A-holes?"

For a variety of reasons:

* Rebelliousness against mommie and daddy or whatever.

* Viewing the "bad boy" as more knowledgable.

* Viewing the "bad boy" as something of a challenge: "I can change him."

* Seeing the "bad boy" as more masculine or just "different" from the usual run of guys.

* Lack of self respect.

* Etc.

If you're desperate enough, www.calastrology.com, has some items that MIGHT "nudge" fate in your favor. :)
I have a hard time taking any site seriously that sells something called a "Wanga" doll, which is meant to help you.
http://www.calastrology.com/wangadolls.html
Do they not know what "wanga" is a euphanism for? You can buy a "sex wanga" from them! Also a "wisdom wanga" - I gotta get myself one of those. I've always wanted my wanga to have wisdom.

I have a hard time taking any site seriously that sells something called a "Wanga" doll, which is meant to help you.
http://www.calastrology.com/wangadolls.html
Do they not know what "wanga" is a euphanism for? You can buy a "sex wanga" from them! Also a "wisdom wanga" - I gotta get myself one of those. I've always wanted my wanga to have wisdom.
Wisdom comes from experience, Grasshopper, not fram a "wanga doll!" :D

HA! You're a grasshopper!

Women like compassion, loving, caring and a little bit unwieldy men I think. Being an ass is easy, but being a loving, reliable gentleman woos more.

We typically don't think of them as bitches when we are attracted to them, because that word has no positive connotations.


Young sociologist and gender studies expert Riley "Esco" Freeman has actually pioneered the use of the term "bitch" in a respectful context.

As in, "Grandad, you'll get so many hoes, people'll call you 'Bitches'".

or

"Mr. Hefner, please. Call me 'Bitches'".

And people wonder why I am happy about being Gay - all this crap tells me one thing; people are fuckedup, big time.

Probably because at least arseholes are honest, unlike self-professed nice guys who just want to get laid.

I think it's the whole bargain hunting mentality with women. I guess a good analogy would be someone who is a good auto mechanic. They can go to a junkyard, see a beat-up old car, and see the potential in it. By the time they get done fixing it up, it will be better than any car they could have bought outright and they will have alot more pride in owning it.

The same thing with women. Any woman will tell you what they want in a man is someone that rich, good-looking, good sense of humor, kind and caring, but what they are not telling you is that they want a fixer-upper from the junkyard to start with to turn into the man they want, for pretty much the same reasons.

Why are women attracted to assholes?

Because assholes are fun to stick things in.

What a dumb question.

Next!

Ipso facto coitus interruptus!

Yes, start off assholish with the occasional disarming niceness. This will get girls in droves. Once you find the right one (this can be difficult), don't get nice right away. Give it about 6 months to a year, if she can take it. After that you can be as nice as you like and she will think that she changed you. She will appreciate it forever and think it's a miracle, and will rarely expect much else from you since you already made such a dramatic turnaround. This is the secret to a happy relationship: low expectations.
You make me sad.

HA! You're a grasshopper!

Women like compassion, loving, caring and a little bit unwieldy men I think. Being an ass is easy, but being a loving, reliable gentleman woos more.
What do mean by "unwieldy" exactly? Yes, I know what the word means; I simply wish to understand the full implications of your statement.