NationStates Jolt Archive

I don't want to believe that such a large proportion of the population holds hatred toward a minority of the population just because of what kinds of shapes and pheremones happen to arouse them.

But...hearing what some of the more radical party-line republicans say on television, it's a conclusion that's hard to escape.

Why would they put so much time, money, and effort into suppressing them and keeping them out of public view, and even trying to criminalize acting on their attractions, if they didn't hate them?

Now, I'm not saying they don't have a right to think it's immoral. I disagree, but having their own opinion is their right. And a civil country is one where people who disagree can coexist civilly. But, I don't understand why they think they have the right to stop people from doing something they think is immoral even if nobody is hurt by it. And, even if they think they do have the right, I don't understand how they could possibly prioritize getting rid of homosexuality high enough to actually spend so much time out of their lives trying to stamp it out.

So, I want this to come off as a request for your opinion, republicans. Do you hate gay people? If so, why? Do you think you have a right to tell other people how to live their lives? If so, why?

I don't want to believe that such a large proportion of the population holds hatred toward a minority of the population just because of what kinds of shapes and pheremones happen to arouse them.

But...hearing what some of the more radical party-line republicans say on television, it's a conclusion that's hard to escape.

Why would they put so much time, money, and effort into suppressing them and keeping them out of public view, and even trying to criminalize acting on their attractions, if they didn't hate them?

Now, I'm not saying they don't have a right to think it's immoral. I disagree, but having their own opinion is their right. And a civil country is one where people who disagree can coexist civilly. But, I don't understand why they think they have the right to stop people from doing something they think is immoral even if nobody is hurt by it. And, even if they think they do have the right, I don't understand how they could possibly prioritize getting rid of homosexuality high enough to actually spend so much time out of their lives trying to stamp it out.

So, I want this to come off as a request for your opinion, republicans. Do you hate gay people? If so, why? Do you think you have a right to tell other people how to live their lives? If so, why?


I think that their prominent image is one of hatred and intolerance, yes.

As a party line, yes. Individually, I imagine it varies like anything else.

I don't want to believe that such a large proportion of the population holds hatred toward a minority of the population just because of what kinds of shapes and pheremones happen to arouse them.

But...hearing what some of the more radical party-line republicans say on television, it's a conclusion that's hard to escape.

Why would they put so much time, money, and effort into suppressing them and keeping them out of public view, and even trying to criminalize acting on their attractions, if they didn't hate them?

Now, I'm not saying they don't have a right to think it's immoral. I disagree, but having their own opinion is their right. And a civil country is one where people who disagree can coexist civilly. But, I don't understand why they think they have the right to stop people from doing something they think is immoral even if nobody is hurt by it. And, even if they think they do have the right, I don't understand how they could possibly prioritize getting rid of homosexuality high enough to actually spend so much time out of their lives trying to stamp it out.

So, I want this to come off as a request for your opinion, republicans. Do you hate gay people? If so, why? Do you think you have a right to tell other people how to live their lives? If so, why?


It's funny that the choice in "Battling prejudice" is to prejudge yet another group, Republicans, branding each Republican as a homophobe... Perhaps that party has collectively chosen not to cater to 2% ( at most) of the population..... that doesn't mean there is an underlying hatred..

Individually, I doubt it. Dick Cheney does not hate his daughter.

However, the Republican Party does.

:rolleyes:

to say that republicans hate gay people is too much of a generalization.

there is a significant minority in the republican part that strongly opposes gay rights. the rest of the republicans are kinda opposing, neutral or support gay rights

the problem is that the minority is so vocal and so important to the party that craven politicians will go along with them even when it hurts their own families (like dick cheney)

It's funny that the choice in "Battling prejudice" is to prejudge yet another group, Republicans, branding each Republican as a homophobe... Perhaps that party has collectively chosen not to cater to 2% ( at most) of the population..... that doesn't mean there is an underlying hatred..
I dig how 'allow same basic rights as everyone else' is 'cater to'...

It seems at least some are trying to change things in the Republican party.

http://online.logcabin.org/about/

There's a difference between opposing something on moral grounds and hatred; a person morally opposed to homosexuality does not necessarily hate homosexuals and it would be inaccurate to equivocate opposition to a particular lifestyle to hatred of a person.

For example, I am morally opposed to religious fundamentalism. That does not mean I hate fundamentalists, although I may dislike them and/or avoid their presence due to the conflict it could generate.

Some Republicans could be seen as "hating" gays. When I say that they hate gays, I refer to a desire to see bad things happen to them based on them being gay. These people would be the same ones who applaud attacks such as the Matthew Shepard attack. I refer to the ones along Fred Phelps' line of thought. Some would go so far as to call for homosexuality to be a capital offense, as it is in Iran. I am sure there are some Republicans, and probably some Democrats, who hate gays. There are some who hate black people, Cubans, city-dwellers, Mormons, or whatever the hell else.

More common, I would imagine, is those who merely "look down on" gays. They are the ones who believe that gay people should be treated as fellow human beings, but they need to have their lifestyle corrected. It's the difference between an attitude of "We know how you should live, and we will bring you to the right path by any lawful means necessary" verusus "God's on our side, and He says that you being gay is more of a crime than me killing you for it. I'm doing God's work."

Then there are those who don't really care one way or another about the gay issue. They wouldn't be inclined to go along with a measure banning gay marriage, but they won't be moved at all if gay marriage is legalized.

As far as the mainstream of the Republican party goes, I would say it's between the last two options, with more tendency now toward the second option. I would say that the Democrats are, by and large, forced to play the second and third options as well.

It's funny that the choice in "Battling prejudice" is to prejudge yet another group, Republicans, branding each Republican as a homophobe... Perhaps that party has collectively chosen not to cater to 2% ( at most) of the population..... that doesn't mean there is an underlying hatred..

Hmm? A republican are we?

No, they just hate being gay and that's completely different. :rolleyes:

Not all Republicans, but I think a vast majority*.

*I have no proof, just speculation.

It's funny that the choice in "Battling prejudice" is to prejudge yet another group, Republicans, branding each Republican as a homophobe... Perhaps that party has collectively chosen not to cater to 2% ( at most) of the population..... that doesn't mean there is an underlying hatred..

Think nearer 6%, and that's only if you count the rigidly gay population (That's an average of the results of several studies) . If you start getting into the Bi, or 'not too fussed' population, and it would be considerably higher.

That's a fair few votes.

Try 10% my friend.

Try 10% my friend.

I hear the number 10%, and I don't know if it's really accurate. I wonder where they get those numbers. Surely it's a sizeable number, but the conventional 10% seems a little too round a number.

I hear the number 10%, and I don't know if it's really accurate. I wonder where they get those numbers. Surely it's a sizeable number, but the conventional 10% seems a little too round a number.
Doesn't really matter if it's 2% or 6% or 10%--there's more than that number in the Republican party who wouldn't spit on a gay person if he or she were on fire, and they're motivated to vote. Plus, about 10% of US gay voters vote Republican (Lord knows why, since there's a significant segment of their own party who'd just as soon see them dead)--add that all up and it's no wonder the Republican party is filled with gay-baiters. It's the electorally wise thing to do.

It's amazing how many truely stupid people there are on here. In my part of the country most of the gay people are Republicans. What a bunch of fools.

yes...stupid christian republican retared bastards...they all need to burn, gay people have rights to...


by the way im not gay....

Some Republicans could be seen as "hating" gays. When I say that they hate gays, I refer to a desire to see bad things happen to them based on them being gay. These people would be the same ones who applaud attacks such as the Matthew Shepard attack. I refer to the ones along Fred Phelps' line of thought. Some would go so far as to call for homosexuality to be a capital offense, as it is in Iran. I am sure there are some Republicans, and probably some Democrats, who hate gays.
Fred Phelps is not a Republican. He seems to hate Bush. Anyway, yes some Republicans are hateful homophobes and some aren't.

Even democrats want to impeach Bush. It's all reactionary and radical lines in the government and personal believes.

Though I bet 70% of Republicans would be against gay people (marriages and rights) as they are conservatives. They are big white people who are afraid of CHANGE. :P

So, I want this to come off as a request for your opinion, republicans. Do you hate gay people? If so, why? Do you think you have a right to tell other people how to live their lives? If so, why?

No I do not hate homosexuals or lesbians. I do not give a damn what they do in their bedrooms.However, I do not approve of their lifestyle. I do not not go around "saying look at me, I'm straight" so why do they go around "saying look at me, I'm homosexual?" Have whatever kind of sex you want in the privacy of your own home and leave the rest of us alone.

No I do not hate homosexuals or lesbians. I do not give a damn what they do in their bedrooms.However, I do not approve of their lifestyle. I do not not go around "saying look at me, I'm straight" so why do they go around "saying look at me, I'm homosexual?" Have whatever kind of sex you want in the privacy of your own home and leave the rest of us alone.

Being a homosexual or bisexual (they might hate us to) is more then just sex....its like being Jewish. You're different, so maybe what you do in the bedroom is different to, that's not where they need acceptance. Its in the daily life!

Though I bet 70% of Republicans would be against gay people (marriages and rights) as they are conservatives. They are big white people who are afraid of CHANGE. :P

"Hey Lois, look! It's the two symbols of the Republican Party: An elephant and a big fat white guy who's afraid of change!"

Being a homosexual or bisexual (they might hate us to) is more then just sex....its like being Jewish. You're different, so maybe what you do in the bedroom is different to, that's not where they need acceptance. Its in the daily life!

I do not, and I think most people do not, go around asking people what their sexual orientation is. Most people accept others for the people they are and how they treat and react with others. Some people may not accept gays if they knew they were "gay" so they would be accepted by more people they didn't broadcast their lifestyle.

By the way, being homosexual is no more like being Jewish than being straight is like being Buddhist. :rolleyes:

"Hey Lois, look! It's the two symbols of the Republican Party: An elephant and a big fat white guy who's afraid of change!"

ROFL! XD

I do not, and I think most people do not, go around asking people what their sexual orientation is. Most people accept others for the people they are and how they treat and react with others. Some people may not accept gays if they knew they were "gay" so they would be accepted by more people they didn't broadcast their lifestyle.

By the way, being homosexual is no more like being Jewish than being straight is like being Buddhist. :rolleyes:

Hard to do that if your flaming. >.>

1. Republicans do not hate gay people, futhermore democrats do not love them. each politician stands on the platform that they feel we get them (re)elected. this is seen through the course of american history

Abe lincoln was not against slavery, he was for uniting the states under one policy

Gov. Wallace was not a racist, he actually had many black supportors but he ran a "racist" campaign because he knew it would get him elected. the same holds true for Sen Strom Thurmond, he ran on a segregation platform but did many things to help the black communities in SC he actually fathered a child with a black woman and continued to support her and the child financially until his death.

2. gay people are wrong, except for women that's different. The reason is two-fold 1 it's hot, 2. a woman can chose remain feminine whether she does or not is a different story, she has the choice. a man cannot remain masculine while taking it in the corn hole.

3. indulging in homosexual activities doesn't mean you are necessarily gay, if you do it simply for the sexual pleasure(how this is possible for a man is beyond me) then I think people should be able to do what they want, is it immoral or against the will of God? they will deal with that when they meet him.
which they will do.

4. Being in a relationship with some one of the same sex in unnatural, it unbalances life. imagine if everyone was gay we would eventually cease to exist. nature will balance itself out by, creating deceases like AIDS and hypatydise (i know its misspelled) and we will continue to find ways to get around nature to an extent but the earth will cleanse herself, she always has.

5. don't judge half of the nations people by what someone on tv is saying to get their name in the paper, remember what they say "Their is no such thing as bad press"

You are a horrible person!

Its not okay for men to be gay, but it is for women!?
AIDS was an ANIMAL disease, it passed to humans after a certain man (gay) had fun with a monkey. >.> You sicken ME!

1. Republicans do not hate gay people, futhermore democrats do not love them. each politician stands on the platform that they feel we get them (re)elected. this is seen through the course of american history

Abe lincoln was not against slavery, he was for uniting the states under one policy

Gov. Wallace was not a racist, he actually had many black supportors but he ran a "racist" campaign because he knew it would get him elected. the same holds true for Sen Strom Thurmond, he ran on a segregation platform but did many things to help the black communities in SC he actually fathered a child with a black woman and continued to support her and the child financially until his death. Fine. That's great.

2. gay people are wrong, except for women that's different. The reason is two-fold 1 it's hot, 2. a woman can chose remain feminine whether she does or not is a different story, she has the choice. a man cannot remain masculine while taking it in the corn hole.
I've met plenty of masculine gay men. Just because the femine gays are vocal, does not mean they are the majority.

Who gave you the right do decide what is right and what is wrong? Couldn't all us democrats say that being a Christian is evil? Wouldn't that make you POed?

3. indulging in homosexual activities doesn't mean you are necessarily gay, if you do it simply for the sexual pleasure(how this is possible for a man is beyond me) then I think people should be able to do what they want, is it immoral or against the will of God? they will deal with that when they meet him.
which they will do.
You're right. Homosexual behavior doesn't mean your gay. It can mean you're bisexual. Some people are wired differently. Most people would be discussed by the though of having a relationship with the same sex. Others? Well, that's a different story.

And you're a hyprocrite about the God thing. For one, earlier you said the female homosexuality is ok, which by your logic it is not. Also, seeing as lying is a sin, we all will go to Hell if all homosexuals go to hell. All sins are equal in the eyes of God. I don't believe that it is, but even if it is, I commit many sins everyday. If you couldn't go to heaven if you've ever sinned, nobdy would got to heaven.

4. Being in a relationship with some one of the same sex in unnatural, it unbalances life. imagine if everyone was gay we would eventually cease to exist. nature will balance itself out by, creating deceases like AIDS and hypatydise (i know its misspelled) and we will continue to find ways to get around nature to an extent but the earth will cleanse herself, she always has.
Seeing as there is homosexuality in animals as well, your arguement is null and void. Also, do you really think everyone is ever going to become gay? I mean, it's two percent of the population. That isn't a lot.


5. don't judge half of the nations people by what someone on tv is saying to get their name in the paper, remember what they say "Their is no such thing as bad press"I don't really care.

Actually its more like 10%. Though Indians believed that gay buffalo was a good sign to see them mating. >.> Though for this little hypocritical hater....I can't stand people like him that think they are perfect when its clearly the opposite.

1. Republicans do not hate gay people, futhermore democrats do not love them. each politician stands on the platform that they feel we get them (re)elected. this is seen through the course of american history

Abe lincoln was not against slavery, he was for uniting the states under one policy

Gov. Wallace was not a racist, he actually had many black supportors but he ran a "racist" campaign because he knew it would get him elected. the same holds true for Sen Strom Thurmond, he ran on a segregation platform but did many things to help the black communities in SC he actually fathered a child with a black woman and continued to support her and the child financially until his death.

2. gay people are wrong, except for women that's different. The reason is two-fold 1 it's hot, 2. a woman can chose remain feminine whether she does or not is a different story, she has the choice. a man cannot remain masculine while taking it in the corn hole.

3. indulging in homosexual activities doesn't mean you are necessarily gay, if you do it simply for the sexual pleasure(how this is possible for a man is beyond me) then I think people should be able to do what they want, is it immoral or against the will of God? they will deal with that when they meet him.
which they will do.

4. Being in a relationship with some one of the same sex in unnatural, it unbalances life. imagine if everyone was gay we would eventually cease to exist. nature will balance itself out by, creating deceases like AIDS and hypatydise (i know its misspelled) and we will continue to find ways to get around nature to an extent but the earth will cleanse herself, she always has.

5. don't judge half of the nations people by what someone on tv is saying to get their name in the paper, remember what they say "Their is no such thing as bad press"

You are a fucking bigot if I've ever seen one. In addition, Abraham Lincoln DID oppose slavery ever since he was a little boy in IL. If we take the unnatural approach, we could also say something as "straight" as hetreosexual extramartial sex or sex for the sole sake of pleasure is unnatural, since it defeats the purpose of sex, procreation.

2. gay people are wrong, except for women that's different. The reason is two-fold 1 it's hot, 2. a woman can chose remain feminine whether she does or not is a different story, she has the choice. a man cannot remain masculine while taking it in the corn hole.

You're speaking from experience, I presume.

Oh, and what's wrong with being feminine? Do you see femininity as degrading? Is being a girl degrading? Do you hate women?

4. Being in a relationship with some one of the same sex in unnatural, it unbalances life.

Despite so many species doing it and it being so prevalent in nature? How is something in nature "unnatural"?

magine if everyone was gay we would eventually cease to exist.

Imagine if everyone were male. We'd cease to exist. Thus there is something wrong with being a man.

All are not gay. And all will not be gay. And even if they were, children would still be made. Why? Because being gay doesn't make you sterile.

nature will balance itself out by, creating deceases like AIDS

A disease that was a zoonosis that made the jump to humans and affects heterosexuals as well? Do you, like, know anything about disease and biology?

and hypatydise (i know its misspelled) and we will continue to find ways to get around nature to an extent but the earth will cleanse herself, she always has.

She's been doing so poorly, seeing as how homosexuality seems to be constant, as it is straight individuals that in the majority of cases give birth to gay individuals, and seeing as it is so prevalent in nature.

5. don't judge half of the nations people by what someone on tv is saying to get their name in the paper, remember what they say "Their is no such thing as bad press"

No need for TV when we can judge you on the ignorant tripe you wrote here.

No need to fear, Fass is here. :p

*ducks behind rock*

it is not ok for anyone to be gay, it is more socially acceptable for women plus I have never heard a woman say, "wow i'd like to see those to guys have sex with each other. being gay is unnatural. also AIDs is an animal decease but look at who dies from it more often than any other segment of the population. I have not infected people with it nor do I wish that anyone to become infected, however the earth does correct the mistakes we make. Take global warming, evnetually if we don't stop it the Ice caps will melt flood the great majority of the world and presto the global warming problem will go away becuase we will not be here to continue to make it. and considering the numerous intellegent conversations I have had with gay people about this everyone of them said they made the choice to be gay. Do straight people make a choice to be straight, I know I didn't, one day I woke up and women were physically and emotionally attractive to me.

By the way I am actually a really nice person, who respects most everyone from every walk of life, even gay people. It's like being a muslim or being a liberal or being premiscuis,or cheating on your spouse. I just happen to think it is wrong. It doesn't mean I hate them or want them to die, it's just a part of their life I disagree with. But as some one who has dedicated his life to defending others freedoms I do not wish to stop anyone from doing what they want as long as it doesn't stop anyone else from doing what they want(within the framework of the law of course)

it is not ok for anyone to be gay, it is more socially acceptable for women plus I have never heard a woman say, "wow i'd like to see those to guys have sex with each other. being gay is unnatural. also AIDs is an animal decease but look at who dies from it more often than any other segment of the population. I have not infected people with it nor do I wish that anyone to become infected, however the earth does correct the mistakes we make. Take global warming, evnetually if we don't stop it the Ice caps will melt flood the great majority of the world and presto the global warming problem will go away becuase we will not be here to continue to make it. and considering the numerous intellegent conversations I have had with gay people about this everyone of them said they made the choice to be gay. Do straight people make a choice to be straight, I know I didn't, one day I woke up and women were physically and emotionally attractive to me.

By the way I am actually a really nice person, who respects most everyone from every walk of life, even gay people. It's like being a muslim or being a liberal or being premiscuis,or cheating on your spouse. I just happen to think it is wrong. It doesn't mean I hate them or want them to die, it's just a part of their life I disagree with. But as some one who has dedicated his life to defending others freedoms I do not wish to stop anyone from doing what they want as long as it doesn't stop anyone else from doing what they want(within the framework of the law of course)You haven't backed up your arguement. Why is it not okay to be gay?

it is not ok for anyone to be gay,

Why not?

it is more socially acceptable for women plus I have never heard a woman say, "wow i'd like to see those to guys have sex with each other.

Then you probably haven't met very many women, which would explain how come you could claim to know so much about being fucked up the ass...

being gay is unnatural.

But it's everywhere in nature. How can something in nature be "unnatural?"

also AIDs is an animal decease but look at who dies from it more often than any other segment of the population.

Actually, straight people. Do you, like, know anything about global HIV/AIDS epidemiology?

I have not infected people with it nor do I wish that anyone to become infected, however the earth does correct the mistakes we make.

The Earth is not a being. Stop anthropomorphising it.

Take global warming, evnetually if we don't stop it the Ice caps will melt flood the great majority of the world and presto the global warming problem will go away because we will not be here to continue to make it.

That's not nature doing anything.

and considering the numerous intelligent conversations I have had with gay people about this everyone of them said they made the choice to be gay.

Bullshit! Stop lying.

Do straight people make a choice to be straight, I know I didn't, one day I woke up and women were physically and emotionally attractive to me.

Funny, same thing with me and men.

By the way I am actually a really nice person, who respects most everyone from every walk of life, even gay people.

If by respect you mean calling unnatural and claiming we're a threat to human survival and that HIV/AIDS is deserved. Hmm, you know, most people wouldn't call that respect, and wouldn't call you a nice person. I would not.

It's like being a muslim or being a liberal or being premiscuis,or cheating on your spouse. I just happen to think it is wrong.

For no reason.

It doesn't mean I hate them or want them to die, it's just a part of their life I disagree with. But as some one who has dedicated his life to defending others freedoms I do not wish to stop anyone from doing what they want as long as it doesn't stop anyone else from doing what they want(within the framework of the law of course)

Yeah, right. "You're diseased copulators and you're wrong, wrong, wrong! But I'm nice person." Puh-lease.

Why not?



Then you probably haven't met very many women, which would explain how come you could claim to know so much about being fucked up the ass...



But it's everywhere in nature. How can something in nature be "unnatural?"



Actually, straight people. Do you, like, know anything about global HIV/AIDS epidemiology?



The Earth is not a being. Stop anthropomorphising it.



That's not nature doing anything.



Bullshit! Stop lying.



Funny, same thing with me and men.



If by respect you mean calling unnatural and claiming we're a threat to human survival and that HIV/AIDS is deserved. Hmm, you know, most people wouldn't call that respect, and wouldn't call you a nice person. I would not.



For no reason.



Yeah, right. "You're diseased copulators and your wrong, wrong wrong! But I'm nice person." Puh-lease.
Go Fass!

it is not ok for anyone to be gay, it is more socially acceptable for women plus I have never heard a woman say, "wow i'd like to see those to guys have sex with each other. being gay is unnatural. also AIDs is an animal decease but look at who dies from it more often than any other segment of the population. I have not infected people with it nor do I wish that anyone to become infected, however the earth does correct the mistakes we make. Take global warming, evnetually if we don't stop it the Ice caps will melt flood the great majority of the world and presto the global warming problem will go away becuase we will not be here to continue to make it. and considering the numerous intellegent conversations I have had with gay people about this everyone of them said they made the choice to be gay. Do straight people make a choice to be straight, I know I didn't, one day I woke up and women were physically and emotionally attractive to me.

By the way I am actually a really nice person, who respects most everyone from every walk of life, even gay people. It's like being a muslim or being a liberal or being premiscuis,or cheating on your spouse. I just happen to think it is wrong. It doesn't mean I hate them or want them to die, it's just a part of their life I disagree with. But as some one who has dedicated his life to defending others freedoms I do not wish to stop anyone from doing what they want as long as it doesn't stop anyone else from doing what they want(within the framework of the law of course)

LOL!! You have to be kidding me!?! All of the gay people you talked to "made the choice"? Do you even KNOW any gay people? Well, here it is.... gay people do not make the "choice" to be gay, I've been gay since the day I was born. I didn't "decide" to be a segment of the population that suffers horrid discrimination. Some people may choose to experiment in homosexual behavior, but those people do not define the gay populous. Just as you know you didn't make the choice to be straight, neither did I make the choice to be gay. I have to say, I find it very ammusing that straight people have the nerve to say we make the "choice", as if they know exactly how we have felt our entire lives. Wish I had the power to get into someone's head like that. Stupidity at it's finest.

LOL!! You have to be kidding me!?! All of the gay people you talked to "made the choice"? Do you even KNOW any gay people? Well, here it is.... gay people do not make the "choice" to be gay, I've been gay since the day I was born. I didn't "decide" to be a segment of the population that suffers horrid discrimination. Some people may choose to experiment in homosexual behavior, but those people do not define the gay populous. Just as you know you didn't make the choice to be straight, neither did I make the choice to be gay. I have to say, I find it very ammusing that straight people have the nerve to say we make the "choice", as if they know exactly how we have felt our entire lives. Wish I had the power to get into someone's head like that. Stupidity at it's finest.
Congratulations! You're the first poster with a post count under 50 I've seen all week who actually can think and type intelligently! :)

No offense other newbies, but this is your standard. If you hit it, you've gained my respect.

now that I have eveyone's attention. thanks for playing my little game. now get off the internet and go make a difference.

now that I have eveyone's attention. thanks for playing my little game. now get off the internet and go make a difference.
Um...what?

Tell me what you mean....hypocrite. :P

Congratulations! You're the first poster with a post count under 50 I've seen all week who actually can think and type intelligently! :)

No offense other newbies, but this is your standard. If you hit it, you've gained my respect.

Thank you. :) I don't usually respond on these things, preffering to let people wallow in their own stupidity, but sometimes I just have to voice some opinion on the idiocy people spout forth.

I don't think that Republicans hate gays, more that they would prefer that they remain stigmatized and second-class citizens.

In the south, apparently you don't realize that homosexuality has been scientifically proven to be biological? Studies have shown that a gay man's brain reacts the same way to testosterone as a straight woman's brain does. That's not a choice. Plus, if homosexuality is a choice, then I have a challenge for you: make yourself be attracted to men, just for a day. You can't do it, can you? Exactly.

Also, thought you'd be interested in knowing that many psychologists/sociologists are of the opinion that even the straightest heterosexual or the gayest homosexual is only 99% straight or gay, the dominant sexuality just overrides the other.

And as far as who AIDS affects the biggest amount of, last I checked, that was poor African people. Are you saying all Africans are wrong and unnatural?

I'm not gay, but I am very strongly in favor of gay rights. I actually have talked to many gays, and they all said they've always been gay. I'm more inclined to believe them than you.

Anyway, to anwer the question posed by the OP, I don't think all Republicans hate gays (although I know many that do). I doubt very many want any kind of physical harm to come to them. The problem is, many Republicans, being fundamentalist Christians, seem to feel that it's their job to worry about everyone else's personal lives, and to try to change them. Therefore, since they view homosexuality as being evil and wrong, they can't just "live and let live," for lack of a better phrase.

Of course, then you have the theory (which I actually support) that most people who are rabidly homophobic have homosexual tendencies themselves, and are scared to deal with it.

1. Republicans do not hate gay people, futhermore democrats do not love them. each politician stands on the platform that they feel we get them (re)elected. this is seen through the course of american history

Abe lincoln was not against slavery, he was for uniting the states under one policy

Gov. Wallace was not a racist, he actually had many black supportors but he ran a "racist" campaign because he knew it would get him elected. the same holds true for Sen Strom Thurmond, he ran on a segregation platform but did many things to help the black communities in SC he actually fathered a child with a black woman and continued to support her and the child financially until his death.

2. gay people are wrong, except for women that's different. The reason is two-fold 1 it's hot, 2. a woman can chose remain feminine whether she does or not is a different story, she has the choice. a man cannot remain masculine while taking it in the corn hole.

3. indulging in homosexual activities doesn't mean you are necessarily gay, if you do it simply for the sexual pleasure(how this is possible for a man is beyond me) then I think people should be able to do what they want, is it immoral or against the will of God? they will deal with that when they meet him.
which they will do.

4. Being in a relationship with some one of the same sex in unnatural, it unbalances life. imagine if everyone was gay we would eventually cease to exist. nature will balance itself out by, creating deceases like AIDS and hypatydise (i know its misspelled) and we will continue to find ways to get around nature to an extent but the earth will cleanse herself, she always has.

5. don't judge half of the nations people by what someone on tv is saying to get their name in the paper, remember what they say "Their is no such thing as bad press"

What an...astounding post! The first point was so reasonable...and everything thereafter was so...ignorant!

In the south,

You are a disgrace to the entire human race. Have a good day.

I do not really care what any of you do with your lives but now that you are all so fired up which is what I intended to do. get off your arses get involved and change the world instead of making stupid posts on the internet and responding to them. also I think it is hilarious that I got called a faggot while bashing gay people. to all the gay people i love you. Gay guys leaves more pussy for me and gay women make great porn flicks.

2. gay people are wrong, except for women that's different. The reason is two-fold 1 it's hot...

Oh I just LOVE that double-standard!

2. a woman can chose remain feminine whether she does or not is a different story, she has the choice. a man cannot remain masculine while taking it in the corn hole.

State your source...

People, read his last posts! He's a liberal doing a satire of a Republican!

I do not really care what any of you do with your lives but now that you are all so fired up which is what I intended to do. get off your arses get involved and change the world instead of making stupid posts on the internet and responding to them. also I think it is hilarious that I got called a faggot while bashing gay people. to all the gay people i love you. Gay guys leaves more pussy for me and gay women make great porn flicks.

You did a decent job of it...if I may ask, do you have any relation to The UN Ambassadorship?

I give your trolling a B; you didn't get enough people involved and didn't start the thread which docks points in my book. EDIT: Actually, I'll give you a B because your satire was realistic enough to convince people that those are your actual views.

I do not really care what any of you do with your lives but now that you are all so fired up which is what I intended to do. get off your arses get involved and change the world instead of making stupid posts on the internet and responding to them. also I think it is hilarious that I got called a faggot while bashing gay people. to all the gay people i love you. Gay guys leaves more pussy for me and gay women make great porn flicks.

No, you're just pissed cause you lost to logic and reason.

Also, thought you'd be interested in knowing that many psychologists/sociologists are of the opinion that even the straightest heterosexual or the gayest homosexual is only 99% straight or gay, the dominant sexuality just overrides the other.

Nah, that's bullshit, I'm 100% fag :p

People, read his last posts! He's a liberal doing a satire of a Republican!
Satire =/= Trolling

actually I am a middle of the road kind of guy

Wow, In the south.
For once, I have no qualms about just going in and picking out the most irrelevant thing of what was said, and not even pretend to be making an effort at a nicely typed out rebuttal. So watch closely.

I have never heard a woman say, "wow i'd like to see those to guys have sex with each other.

"Wow, I'd love to see those two guys have sex with each other!"

You're welcome. :)

Satire =/= Trolling

Actually, I consider satire and trolling the same thing; however, I also consider trolling to be a good thing rather than a bad thing and believe trolls are beneficial to Internets discussion.

Trolling is a satire on Internet debating.

Wow, In the south.
For once, I have no qualms about just going in and picking out the most irrelevant thing of what was said, and not even pretend to be making an effort at a nicely typed out rebuttal. So watch closely.



"Wow, I'd love to see those two guys have sex with each other!"

You're welcome. :)
He still hasn't heard a women say it. :D

Republicans have it out for abortion AND gays. This just proves their stupidity, I mean really, who has less abortions than gay people? You'd think that they would be natural allies...

He still hasn't heard a women say it. :D
What, you want me to put it on soundfile?

What, you want me to put it on soundfile?
Sure.

Actually, I consider satire and trolling the same thing; however, I also consider trolling to be a good thing rather than a bad thing and believe trolls are beneficial to Internets discussion.

Trolling is a satire on Internet debating.
Well, I disagree and so does the mods on these forums, usually.

Satire is all well and good, but everyone must understand the poster is caricaturing views he does not hold for himself. If it's not clear that it's satire, then it's trolling, because everyone takes it seriously, which usually degenerates in a flame war.

Essentially, it's the flames that are the problems. That interweb doesn'tseem to be flameproofed.

Anyway, I prefer intelligent discussion between two persons that hold reasonable, if opposedm points of view. I don't waste my time with extremists. Well, not unless I'm in a bad mood and need to bash someone verbally anyway, which hopefully doesn't happen often.

And now, so as not to completely thread-jack, here is my answer to the OP:

The republican party may not officially hate gays, but their unwillingness to stop the most rabidly ignorant homophobes in their party (Ex: Sen.Rick Santorum) from screaming the immorality of homosexuality and subhuman status of gays constitutes, in my opinion, is an endorsement of those views.

Failure to stand up against bigtry constitutes bigotry.

Well, I disagree and so does the mods on these forums, usually.

As a policy, yes. However, I think in a lot of ways trolling reminds people not to take the Internet as seriously as they do; in all honesty, when someone trolls I find the way people get worked up about it to be hilarious.

Satire is all well and good, but everyone must understand the poster is caricaturing views he does not hold for himself. If it's not clear that it's satire, then it's trolling, because everyone takes it seriously, which usually degenerates in a flame war.

Personally, I find flame wars just hilarious. However, I understand the opposition to them from a moderator's perspective.

Essentially, it's the flames that are the problems. That interweb doesn'tseem to be flameproofed.

I think it would be impossible to do so. Still, flame wars are an important example of why people shouldn't take the Internet seriously; I mean, the best rule to follow is to never say to someone anything you wouldn't say to someone in person.

Anyway, I prefer intelligent discussion between two persons that hold reasonable, if opposedm points of view. I don't waste my time with extremists. Well, not unless I'm in a bad mood and need to bash someone verbally anyway, which hopefully doesn't happen often.

Actually, I've seen the hidden benefit of trolling: When someone trolls with an extremist viewpoint, it makes it easier for people with views contradictory to the overall sentiment on the board to post and look more moderate compared to the troll. It's one of the best weapons against groupthink I've seen.

Of course, this stems from my own experience on the Internets; I got involved on NS General thanks to several troll threads that turned in to real, heated discussion because the troll attracted many more people than would have posted. It went on for 2,200 posts; honestly, I haven't seen a non-RP thread of its magnitude since (It's called "Bible Bashers" IIrC)

Sure.
Nah, that'd be silly. As well as too much effort. :p

I think I might have just hijacked the thread...

No I do not hate homosexuals or lesbians. I do not give a damn what they do in their bedrooms.However, I do not approve of their lifestyle.
What lifestyle is this? Going to work, eating, sleeping, paying taxes?

I do not not go around "saying look at me, I'm straight" so why do they go around "saying look at me, I'm homosexual?" Have whatever kind of sex you want in the privacy of your own home and leave the rest of us alone.
So the law ought to punish them for such insolence, right?

If they don't make themselves known they will never get the rights they deserve.

Some people mentioned Fred Phelps.

That loony actually has NO links to the Republican Party.

He was a Democrat in thw 1980s and early 1990s.

Then he went psycho and now runs that little incestous outfit of his called the 'Westbro Baptist Chruch'.

He actually hates both major US political parties.

Phelps seems to have allied himself with Islamist terrorists now:eek:

Phelps seems to have allied himself with Islamist terrorists now:eek:
It's no surprise. He hates America, thinks that gay people must die. He agrees with them on everything.

There is a gay lobby group/LGBT group in the Republican Party.

I think it's called the Log Cabin, though I'm not sure.