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By ROBERT BURNS, AP Military Writer
13 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - The Russian government had sources inside the American military command as the U.S. mounted the invasion of Iraq, and the Russians passed information to Saddam Hussein on troop movements and plans, according to Iraqi documents released as part of a Pentagon report.

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The Russians relayed information to Saddam during the opening days of the 2003 war, including a crucial moment before the assault on Baghdad, according to the documents in the report Friday.

The unclassified report does not assess the value of the information or provide details beyond citing two captured Iraqi documents that say the Russians collected information from sources "inside the American Central Command" and that battlefield intelligence was provided to Saddam through the Russian ambassador in Baghdad.

A classified version of the Pentagon report, titled "Iraqi Perspectives Project," is not being made public.

In Moscow, a duty officer with Russia's Foreign Ministry declined to comment on the report late Friday evening. No one answered the phones at the Defense Ministry.

At Central Command headquarters in Tampa, Fla., officials did not immediately respond to a request for comment. State Department spokesman Adam Ereli declined to comment.

The Pentagon report cited two captured Iraqi documents on the matter of Russian intelligence, and the report also directly asserted that the intelligence link existed.

"Significantly, the regime was also receiving intelligence from the Russians that fed suspicions that the attack out of Kuwait was merely a diversion," the report's authors wrote. They cited as an example a document that was sent to Saddam on March 24, 2003, and captured by the U.S. military after Baghdad fell.

The document said: "The information that the Russians have collected from their sources inside the American Central Command in Doha is that the United States is convinced that occupying Iraqi cities are impossible," and that as a result the U.S. military would avoid urban combat.

Central Command's war-fighting headquarters is at an encampment in the desert just outside Doha, Qatar.

those wacky russians, when will they ever learn?

those wacky russians, when will they ever learn?
It wouldn't surprise me if the US was feeding Saddam the wrong intel with the full cooperation of the Russians. Or the Russians just were trying to have a good laugh.

It wouldn't surprise me if the US was feeding Saddam the wrong intel with the full cooperation of the Russians. Or the Russians just were trying to have a good laugh.

yeah, from the article it wasn't entirely clear what the situation was. either the russian version of CIA isn't very good (note: highly likely) or the russians were double-timing saddam. anyway, i just used this article as an excuse to call the russians wacky because i've always wanted to say that. :cool:

i do hope this doesn't start another war however. :rolleyes:

yeah, from the article it wasn't entirely clear what the situation was. either the russian version of CIA isn't very good (note: highly likely) or the russians were double-timing saddam. anyway, i just used this article as an excuse to call the russians wacky because i've always wanted to say that. :cool:

i do hope this doesn't start another war however. :rolleyes:

I bloody hope it does.
Russia is being so kickass lately.
what with the pipelines and everything.
the U.K would rather Russia than America lemme tell ya.

I bloody hope it does.
Russia is being so kickass lately.
what with the pipelines and everything.
the U.K would rather Russia than America lemme tell ya.

huh?

Those Damn NaziCommies, underming our freedom!

yeah, from the article it wasn't entirely clear what the situation was. either the russian version of CIA isn't very good (note: highly likely) or the russians were double-timing saddam. anyway, i just used this article as an excuse to call the russians wacky because i've always wanted to say that. :cool:

i do hope this doesn't start another war however. :rolleyes:

Yes, the KGB has never been very good ^_^

mind linking the story?

Originally Posted by Europa alpha
I bloody hope it does.
Russia is being so kickass lately.
what with the pipelines and everything.
the U.K would rather Russia than America lemme tell ya.huh?
I second that "huh?"

Totally Bull-shit.

the sourcing is questionable — i.e., an unnamed Afghan "informant" reporting on a conversation with another Afghan "consul."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=1734490&page=1

Totally Bull-shit.



http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=1734490&page=1

You need to provide context, and reaq everything; did you do either?

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"Osama bin Laden and the Taliban"

Document dated Sept. 15, 2001

An Iraqi intelligence service document saying that their Afghan informant, who's only identified by a number, told them that the Afghan consul Ahmed Dahastani claimed the following in front of him:

That OBL and the Taliban are in contact with Iraq and that a group of Taliban and bin Laden group members visited Iraq
That the U.S. has proof the Iraqi government and "bin Laden's group" agreed to cooperate to attack targets inside America.
That in case the Taliban and bin Laden's group turn out to be involved in "these destructive operations," the U.S. may strike Iraq and Afghanistan.
That the Afghan consul heard about the issue of Iraq's relationship with "bin Laden's group" while he was in Iran.

At the end, the writer recommends informing "the committee of intentions" about the above-mentioned items. The signature on the document is unclear.

(Editor's Note: The controversial claim that Osama bin Laden was cooperating with Saddam Hussein is an ongoing matter of intense debate. While the assertions contained in this document clearly support the claim, the sourcing is questionable — i.e., an unnamed Afghan "informant" reporting on a conversation with another Afghan "consul." The date of the document — four days after 9/11 — is worth noting but without further corroboration, this document is of limited evidentiary value.)

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Your quote is about osama bin laden and the taliban, not anything to do with russia. Notice that the article seperates a bunch of different stories, and comments on them.

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those wacky russians, when will they ever learn?
learn what?

It wouldn't surprise me if the US was feeding Saddam the wrong intel with the full cooperation of the Russians. Or the Russians just were trying to have a good laugh.
We'll show them a good laugh...
http://www.parowanprophet.com/maps/mohawk_350_KT_nuke.jpg
HAHAHA real funny isn't it you crazy Rusians?!

But seriously this is why we should kill Putin. He's been to China 5 times in the past year. I bet he's a Chinese puppet.

learn what?

learn that you just can't take on the US at a conventional war, and that they just aren't a major power anymore.

i do hope this doesn't start another war however. :rolleyes:

Why would it? You think the US is THAT war-loving?

Why would it? You think the US is THAT war-loving?

War loving? Only if we're winning just like everyone else. Have you seen the public opion polls? Only 36% aprove of Bush and only 40% (ish) aprove of the war.

Why would it? You think the US is THAT war-loving?

no, i can tell you that most of us here are pretty damn tired of the iraq war, and the last thing we need is another war, especially with people we have no fight with (like those ruskies). the russian government, on the other hand, has certain...ah, territorial ambitions. it's always been their goal to gain acces to the meditarenean sea.

anyway, i'm sure that after some lame apologies and fundraisers by putin, this will cool down.

Those Damn NaziCommies, underming our freedom!
The Simpsons, do I get a cookie for the reference?:confused:

no, i can tell you that most of us here are pretty damn tired of the iraq war, and the last thing we need is another war, especially with people we have no fight with (like those ruskies). the russian government, on the other hand, has certain...ah, territorial ambitions. it's always been their goal to gain acces to the meditarenean sea.

anyway, i'm sure that after some lame apologies and fundraisers by putin, this will cool down.
I doubt it will even heat up beyond a weak complaint from the american side. The US is (for the time being at least) comitted to staying on Putins good side - he is after all an ally in the administrations war on terror.

I bloody hope it does.
Russia is being so kickass lately.
what with the pipelines and everything.
the U.K would rather Russia than America lemme tell ya.

Don't forget how they helped with the corrupt elections in like...Bulgaria or someplace like that.

I believe that the Russians fully believed that their information was accurate. When talking with some Russian class mates and judging by many of Russias past political moves I think that nothing would make Russia happier than to see the west fall from its current dominance. It is in the Russian character to enjoy watching others fail. I think they envy our power and wish to regain their former might. I also remember that we had speculative reports of our war strategy and some felt that we would strike from the north through turkey so that they could protect the Kurds from a repeat chemical attack.:headbang:

Well really this is the USA's fault for letting secret military documents fall into the hands of the nation that was our bitter enemy for almost 50 years.

I believe that the Russians fully believed that their information was accurate. When talking with some Russian class mates and judging by many of Russias past political moves I think that nothing would make Russia happier than to see the west fall from its current dominance. It is in the Russian character to enjoy watching others fail. I think they envy our power and wish to regain their former might. I also remember that we had speculative reports of our war strategy and some felt that we would strike from the north through turkey so that they could protect the Kurds from a repeat chemical attack.:headbang:

that may be true, but at the end of the day, doesn't it apply to virtually every country that's not the US right now?

War with Russia, eh? Groovy. We'll lose. (Before any of you America humpers start talking about Russia's weaknesses, remember that Russia is not Iraq. Russia has allies. Strong ones. We can't take on the whole world.)

Time America got taken down a notch anyway.

Let's do it! I will start a subversive resistance movement that will one day lead to me being Colonel Keruvalia, commander of the People's Republic of Texas.

Awesome. My first alliance will be with Cuba.

War with Russia, eh? Groovy. We'll lose. (Before any of you America humpers start talking about Russia's weaknesses, remember that Russia is not Iraq. Russia has allies. Strong ones. We can't take on the whole world.)

Time America got taken down a notch anyway.

Let's do it! I will start a subversive resistance movement that will one day lead to me being Colonel Keruvalia, commander of the People's Republic of Texas.

Awesome. My first alliance will be with Cuba.

We'll probably lose only if we invade russia. or we could nuke them, but nothing is worth a nuclear war, so that's out of the question. conversely, if anyone tries to invade the US, they will be slaughtered as we have a very well armed populace and enough rednecks to do the fighting.

I believe that the Russians fully believed that their information was accurate. When talking with some Russian class mates and judging by many of Russias past political moves I think that nothing would make Russia happier than to see the west fall from its current dominance. It is in the Russian character to enjoy watching others fail. I think they envy our power and wish to regain their former might. I also remember that we had speculative reports of our war strategy and some felt that we would strike from the north through turkey so that they could protect the Kurds from a repeat chemical attack.:headbang:

I agree, the idea that Russia would be feeding the Iraqi intelligence services false information without the knowledge or consent of the US is absurd.

This story says a lot about the current state of Russia and the nature of Putin's regime there. I hope this leads of a hardening of attitudes towards Russia, it's long overdue.

I agree, the idea that Russia would be feeding the Iraqi intelligence services false information without the knowledge or consent of the US is absurd.

This story says a lot about the current state of Russia and the nature of Putin's regime there. I hope this leads of a hardening of attitudes towards Russia, it's long overdue.
Your assessment is absurd.

Your assessment is absurd.

Great, share with me the reason why and I'll give you a response.

learn that you just can't take on the US at a conventional war, and that they just aren't a major power anymore.

They didn't though, they used their intelligence :p which seems either to be as awful as the US intelligence (from what I've gathered here) or just too lazy to bother.

Now if it had actually taken on the US in a conventional war... we might have seen more russian troops in Iraq.

Still, notice how one of the documents said how the US was convinced they wouldn't be able to hold urban cities.

What is it they are trying to do with half of their offensives again?

How dare these Russian scumbags spy on the West and pass information to our enemies!

Don't they know that only we're allowed to spy on foreign countries and pass information to their enemies?:mad:

You guys trust the Russians? :p

Worst case scenario... this will trigger the cold war again. :D

Worst case scenario... this will trigger the cold war again. :D

there's only problem: Russia is still struggling to convert to capitalism, and they just aren't an economic juggernaut right now, and probably won't be for a long time. Now China, that's another story...