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Well, what is your favourite.

I don't limit myself to "genres"...

I like a lot of things, but if I had to pick a 'top of the pile,' it'd have to be free jazz.

Mine is rock.

I don't limit myself to "genres"...
still, whats your favourite one?

still, whats your favourite one?
I don't have one favorite genre. I prefer music with plenty of texture, a fast beat, and preferably interesting vocals. That covers a lot of genres.

other...since there was not a gothic/industrial/darkwave category :cool:

I don't limit myself to "genres"...
i don't limit myself to one genre, but i do still recognise the existance and need for genres and labels. one can over-do labelling of course, but it's entirely necessary, especially for discussing music like this. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10054078&postcount=247

The following is not directed at you, but at "genre-relativists" in general.

At a restuarant...
Don't-label-things-guy: "I'd like some soup."
Waiter: "What kind of soup would you like?"
Don't-label-things-guy: "Gawd! Why do you have to label everything? You are ruining the soup! Stop segregating the soups! Give me soup that I like!"
:D


my favourite would be rock as i would guess the majority of the bands i like fit into that genre (which, to me, includes metal)
i also like jazz, blues, drum n bass, and many subgenres in rock/metal

i don't limit myself to one genre, but i do still recognise the existance and need for genres and labels. one can over-do labelling of course, but it's entirely necessary, especially for discussing music like this. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10054078&postcount=247
Of course, I just don't limit myself to them. If there's something in a genre I don't like that I do like for some reason, I won't let the genre discourage me. It would be ludicrous of me to pick a favorite one, because I wouldn't be able to decide.

It has to be Rock everything else is just to full of filth.

I would class my tastes under "rock", but that word is just so vague and passe...

Myrth.

If I had to pick a single favorite, fusion jazz (Miles Davis, etc).

If I had to pick a single favorite, fusion jazz (Miles Davis, etc).
Bitches Brew or Tutu?

Bitches Brew or Tutu?

Fuck ... it was hard enough picking a favorite genre ...

*shakes fist*

Guess if I could only pick one of the two to listen to for life, Bitches Brew.

You didn't even have Jazz in the list. My god man, Jazz. It has influenced more musicans and music than any other musical genre.

At the moment I'd have to say funk, but it changes every couple of weeks or so.

Post-rock. Or, as those of us who aren't scared of calling it what it really is like to call it, modern prog.
I found reference to a 'new' genre the other day: post-core. Fuck knows what anyone means by that, but so far as I can gather, it seems to be 'post-rock' with metal and hardcore influences.

You didn't even have Jazz in the list. My god man, Jazz. It has influenced more musicans and music than any other musical genre.
It wouldn't mke it someones favourite though.
Come on it doesn't have Nursery Ryhmes either.

I like Classical and Rock the most, though I'm like Laerod in most ways (minus the vocals, I don't care whether it has them or not).

It wouldn't mke it someones favourite though.
Come on it doesn't have Nursery Ryhmes either.

There is no accounting for taste as the saying goes:p But ya I know it is not the most popular; but it does belong on the list. IMHO

I picked metal seeing as it wasn't multi choice. Otherwise I'd have ticked pretty much everything. Minus rap.

Classical, easily. No other genre demands the training and devotion that classical does to make and no other genre demands the attention it does to listen to, either. It also provides much more diversity, as well. You get sonatas, symphonies, concerti, operas and so on instead of just one simple musical form (the song) that the other genres provide. Classical music pieces are also typically much longer. Why be satisfied with a 3 minute pop tune when you can get 30 minutes of symphony instead?

I'd say it all depends on my mood...

Classical, easily. No other genre demands the training and devotion that classical does to make and no other genre demands the attention it does to listen to, either.

You so readily discount Jazz. There is more to music than just classical and pop.

You so readily discount Jazz. There is more to music than just classical and pop.

Well, I'm not too familiar with Jazz, but doesn't it also rely primarily on 3 minute songs about love and such? I'm told it uses much more complex chords than in many forms of pop, but that alone doesn't save it from simplistic musical forms and a lack of serious content.

Well, I'm not too familiar with Jazz,

Well familarize yourself! Grab Miles Davis's "Bitches Brew" and lose yourself.

but doesn't it also rely primarily on 3 minute songs about love and such?

Eww ... no.

Well familarize yourself! Grab Miles Davis's "Bitches Brew" and lose yourself.

Hmm, that doesn't sound like a very serious song. Keep in mind that I take my music very seriously. It's art, you know, not just something you listen to in the background to pass time.

My favorite "genre" is 'good music'. Beyond that,m I will simply refuse to choose any genre as a favorite, as it all depends on my mood, the skill of the artist, and a wide variety of other factors.

Well, I'm not too familiar with Jazz, but doesn't it also rely primarily on 3 minute songs about love and such? I'm told it uses much more complex chords than in many forms of pop, but that alone doesn't save it from simplistic musical forms and a lack of serious content.

You really, really, really need to get out of the musical hole you live in that labels everything but "museum art music" as simplistic and lacking in serious content.

Why be satisfied by a 300 year old museum piece when something of equal complexity and satisfaction can be had, and has the added advantage of being much fresher? (Although Jazz is in danger of becoming a museum piece itslef, IMHO.)

You also have what seems to me to be an oddly elitist streak for a self professed anarchist.

Hmm, that doesn't sound like a very serious song (and it's rather misogynistic in tone as well).

It's an album title.

The song of the same name (on that album) is a 20 minute long free form/fusion oddysee. I wouldn't call it a "song".

If you want a download, load up your P2P client and search for "Miles Runs The Voodoo Down" (my favorite from the Bitches Brew sessions).

Keep in mind that I take my music very seriously. It's art, you know, not just something you listen to in the background to pass time.

Well yeah ... forget who you're talking to? My whole life is music. Everything in my life is centered around it. I've studied it seriously since age 4, have striven to learn to play every instrument mankind has ever invented, am an accomplished composer, a professional song writer, and a music teacher. It is my first love and is the love that all other loves - including my children - pale in comparison to.

I take it pretty damn seriously, too. :)

Hmm, that doesn't sound like a very serious song. Keep in mind that I take my music very seriously. It's art, you know, not just something you listen to in the background to pass time.

:headbang:
OK, I give up. You're simply being pig ignorant stupid at this point.

I like most kinds of Metal, including "that's not metal! rant! rage!" metal. I usually like rock too.

You really, really, really need to get out of the musical hole you live in that labels everything but "museum art music" as simplistic and lacking in serious content.

Why be satisfied by a 300 year old museum piece when something of equal complexity and satisfaction can be had, and has the added advantage of being much fresher? (Although Jazz is in danger of becoming a museum piece itslef, IMHO.)

How many pop stars make music of equal complexity to Beethoven's 9th symphony or the Ring of the Nibelungs? How many pop stars spent a decade of training to become musicians? How many make pieces longer than 5 minutes and having more than one "movement"?

You also have what seems to me to be an oddly elitist streak for a self professed anarchist.

I merely demand the upmost quality in my music, just as a patient with cancer would demand a doctor with the upmost skill. If that makes me élitist, then so be it, but then there are a lot of élitist cancer patients out there.

I merely demand the upmost quality in my music, just as a patient with cancer would demand a doctor with the upmost skill. If that makes me élitist, then so be it, but then there are a lot of élitist cancer patients out there.

Wrong. Whether or not you have cancer is objective. Musical enjoyment is subjective.

Wrong.
opinion is subjective.


edit: i agree with Letila. classical music pwns the pants off most modern music in terms of technical skill and musical complexity and prowess. i just, subjectively, prefer to listen to other things for the most part (though i do really enjoy the odd bit of Bach). i'd argue a lot of metal (the best metal) is nearing the complexity of a lot of classical pieces. both are 'better' than pop though :p

opinion is subjective.

Objectivity is subjective.

So are my pants.

opinion is subjective.

Can you prove that my comment comes under the category of opinion? No! Goodnight! Uh.. afternoon. Whatever.

Objectivity is subjective.

So are my pants.
everything is relative.

including your pants.

Well yeah ... forget who you're talking to? My whole life is music. Everything in my life is centered around it. I've studied it seriously since age 4, have striven to learn to play every instrument mankind has ever invented, am an accomplished composer, a professional song writer, and a music teacher. It is my first love and is the love that all other loves - including my children - pale in comparison to.

I take it pretty damn seriously, too. :)

All I can say for myself is that I grew up the envious black duck in a family of musicians. Dad plays a mean guitar, mom sings and plays piano, and my little bro - well, you've probably heard him play with the Houston Ballet, the Houston Grand Opera, and the Houston Symphony Orchestra, among others. He's one of the top french horn players in the US. He's teaching at Grinnell now, and concentrating on composing and conducting.

Me? I played viola (very badly) with my HS orchestra. I am the violist in every viola joke.

I'm an eclectic. I listen to everything from Sabbath to John Denver to The Tragically Hip. Every Genre from Rock to Pop to Classical to Opera to Contemporary Christian (BTW, that should have been a choice, more people have music as part of their religion than it is against it.)

So It's a silly question, but I would have to say hard rock is my favorite.

How many pop stars make music of equal complexity to Beethoven's 9th symphony or the Ring of the Nibelungs? How many pop stars spent a decade of training to become musicians? How many make pieces longer than 5 minutes and having more than one "movement"?

Bad Red Herring.

If you want to try and trash Miles Davis, try to do so. But, byy your own admission, you have no idea what you were talking about when you started trashing him.

Well, I'm not too familiar with Jazz, but doesn't it also rely primarily on 3 minute songs about love and such? I'm told it uses much more complex chords than in many forms of pop, but that alone doesn't save it from simplistic musical forms and a lack of serious content.

As I said before, you appear to be happy in your ignorance. So be it. Wander in the desert.


I merely demand the upmost quality in my music, just as a patient with cancer would demand a doctor with the upmost skill. If that makes me élitist, then so be it, but then there are a lot of élitist cancer patients out there.

That's a really bad analogy. If you applied the same to food, all you'd ever eat would be 5 star French Cordon Bleu cooking. As good as that is, you'd deprive yourself of a great deal by refusing to eat anything else. It's not as if western museum art music is the be all and end all of music.

That's a really bad analogy. If you applied the same to food, all you'd ever eat would be 5 star French Cordon Bleu cooking. As good as that is, you'd deprive yourself of a great deal by refusing to eat anything else. It's not as if western museum art music is the be all and end all of music.

You have to eat to survive, but if I could replicate food a la Star Trek, I would eat only the best quality I could get. I eat cheap food because it costs less and that allows me to save the money I need, not because I like it as much as better food. I might take my chances with a quack doctor if it was my only shot at living, but I would be a fool to choose them over a professional.

My favourite is ROCK!

[QUOTE=Letila]How many pop stars make music of equal complexity to Beethoven's 9th symphony or the Ring of the Nibelungs? How many pop stars spent a decade of training to become musicians? How many make pieces longer than 5 minutes and having more than one "movement"?

Many progressive rock artists. Their "songs" can be half an hour long, have several movements and be as complex as anything "classical" composers have made. They are usually also pretty damn good musicians.

Metal...speed, thrash, death, doom, black; whatever!!! Oh, and did I look at the survey right? No votes for rap? There is a God!!! I'm not a "labels" kinda' guy and every genre of music is cool with me...EXCEPT RAP!

Classical, easily. No other genre demands the training and devotion that classical does to make and no other genre demands the attention it does to listen to, either.

Prog?


It also provides much more diversity, as well. You get sonatas, symphonies, concerti, operas and so on instead of just one simple musical form (the song) that the other genres provide.

Prog?

Classical music pieces are also typically much longer. Why be satisfied with a 3 minute pop tune when you can get 30 minutes of symphony instead?

.....Prog.



I get what you're saying, but I've studied (and continue to study) classical music in a lot of depth and I'm currently studying popular music (defined as everything thats "not classical") and theres not all that much difference. A great degree of skill, musicianship and composition goes into a lot of popular music. You should try and dig yourself out of your elitist hole and properly listen to the better end of todays popular music. You might find something you like.

You didn't even have Jazz in the list. My god man, Jazz. It has influenced more musicans and music than any other musical genre.jazz is on the other option. I just simply overlooked it.

every genre of music is cool with me...EXCEPT RAP!
Same here. even though I still like rock the most. Infact, Rap is not music to me, I just added that option in to see who iis stupid enough to pick it.

A couple of exceptions to the rule doesn't change the fact that 99.9% of popular music is simplistic. Even the worst classical musicians have years of training. Does progressive rock require all its musicians to spend a decade in a conservatory? I think not.

Morrissey. Is that a genre?

i like loads of kinds of music but most of my record collection would probably fall into the 'indy' category or 'dance', which which are incredibly broad categories and weren't on the poll anyway so i voted 'other'.

Morrissey. Is that a genre?
no. its not.

innovative, original and exciting music which is expressive and not solely concerned with technicality. I like the combination of technical expertise with expressiveness and liberality, not just musos going "ooh look i played these interlinked scales really fast," more like "im playing these scales really fast but in a way that adds to the song e.g. mars volta, radiohead, queen.

A couple of exceptions to the rule doesn't change the fact that 99.9% of popular music is simplistic. Even the worst classical musicians have years of training. Does progressive rock require all its musicians to spend a decade in a conservatory? I think not.

No, but Rush didn't record a single song for five years when they started. They rehearsed all those years, and they became great because of that. Just listen to By-Tor And The Snow Dog, their first epic (1975). It's easily more memorable than most Classical pieces.

You're quite the ignorant ass about Jazz and Prog Rock. And make no mistake --- You are being a huge ass about this. Just because something isn't infinitely complex doesn't mean it sucks. It takes talent to write something truly memorable. It doesn't take a drop of it to write something infinitely complex.

no. its not.

It should be.

Rush is really great. Does anybody here like Thinking Plague or similar bands?

A couple of exceptions to the rule doesn't change the fact that 99.9% of popular music is simplistic.

Have you ever actually looked in depth at popular music? Many of the techniques evident in classical music are still there. Which is why for the first half of my popular music course we all had to do Bach Chorales.

Even the worst classical musicians have years of training. Does progressive rock require all its musicians to spend a decade in a conservatory? I think not.

No because then they'd come out the other end acting like poncy idiots and not make decent prog at all:p And it's more than a couple of exceptions.

Seems to me like youre referring to popular music as the pop chart stuff. In which case I agree completely. In fact I'd say theres about 50% of "popular" music that I find unlistenable (rap in particular, most dance, hip-hop etc) but theres also a lot of classical works that I think are horrendous (many things late-romantic period onwards)

Rush is really great. Does anybody here like Thinking Plague or similar bands?
were talking about favourite genre, not favourite band.

were talking about favourite genre, not favourite band.

Yep. And to another poster, who shall go unnamed: We're talking about your favorite genre, not how big of a belittling douchebag you are.

were talking about favourite genre, not favourite band.

Okay then: does anybody here like RIO prog bands or bands influenced by modern art music instead of classical?

A few...

Post-rock, doom metal, ambient electronica, scottish folk, humppa. Mogwai, Agalloch, Boards of Canada, Silly Wizard, Finntroll.

Don't really have a favorite! It just depends on my mood! If I'm happy; I'll be listening to love songs or 80's! If I'm pissed off; Pantera or equivalent! When I'm trying to sleep but can't; classical, big band, or new age! I must admit, there is no mood that sends me to the music store for rap CD's!!!

A few...

Post-rock, doom metal, ambient electronica, scottish folk, humppa. Mogwai, Agalloch, Boards of Canada, Silly Wizard, Finntroll.

I've not heard much of Mogwai but what I have heard is fantastic (I'm thinking mainly about "My Father, My King")

humppa

Hopefully only through bands like Eläkeläiset? Real humppa is...well never mind

Classic Rock

I would like to submit my theory:
Thick people listen to rap.
Clever people play on NationStates.
Therefore, rap gets 0%.
Therefore, rap is proven to be the music of stupidity.

I can't stop listening to Boston, The Cure and Lynyrd Skynyrd at the moment.

I would like to submit my theory:
Thick people listen to rap.
Clever people play on NationStates.
Therefore, rap gets 0%.
Therefore, rap is proven to be the music of stupidity.

No ... it may just not be anyone's favorite. I happen to enjoy much of urban music. It's just not my favorite.

I've not heard much of Mogwai but what I have heard is fantastic (I'm thinking mainly about "My Father, My King")

Mmm, that epic is a masterpiece of the most delightful sort. If you enjoyed My Father My King, it would be a crime not to check out their other stuff. I'm especially partial to Come on Die Young.

Hopefully only through bands like Eläkeläiset? Real humppa is...well never mind

Haha, I was waiting for this. :D

You'll never know...

Don't really have a favorite! It just depends on my mood! If I'm happy; I'll be listening to love songs or 80's! If I'm pissed off; Pantera or equivalent! When I'm trying to sleep but can't; classical, big band, or new age! I must admit, there is no mood that sends me to the music store for rap CD's!!!
I know. rap sucks.

You know, it varies from Hard Rock to Heay Metal.

Well, actually everything from Thin Lizzy, Black Sabbath or The Who to Dragonforce, Blind Guardian or Tierra Santa...

glacialy cool electronica. and filk (music of folk who haven't been born yet).

jpop, eurotecno, and balliwood are also on my list.

in approximately that order.

=^^=
.../\...

A couple of exceptions to the rule doesn't change the fact that 99.9% of popular music is simplistic. Even the worst classical musicians have years of training. Does progressive rock require all its musicians to spend a decade in a conservatory? I think not.
No, but Rush didn't record a single song for five years when they started. They rehearsed all those years, and they became great because of that. Just listen to By-Tor And The Snow Dog, their first epic (1975). It's easily more memorable than most Classical pieces.

You're quite the ignorant ass about Jazz and Prog Rock. And make no mistake --- You are being a huge ass about this. Just because something isn't infinitely complex doesn't mean it sucks. It takes talent to write something truly memorable. It doesn't take a drop of it to write something infinitely complex.

Exactly. Letila, Miles Davis, who you put down as being simplistic, started on the trumpet at age 13 and attended the Juilliard School of Music (one of best music conservatories in the world). Go forth and learn about what you are talking about before you spew your ignorant opinions and embarass yourself further. (And your red herring is still a red herring.)

Anything with genuine passion and with an emphasis on the music rather than commercial interest...and there are examples of that in most genres, including rap (in fact, some of it is the perfect embodiment of that ideal). I picked metal, just because I felt like it. My collection is mostly rock, without an emphasis on any particular subgenre.

Classic Rock
Progressive rock is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better.

Progressive rock is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better.

Rush for the win!

Rush for the win!
huh??

huh??

Rush... The epitome of Prog Rock. I'm surprised that you didn't know what I was talking about.

Rush... The epitome of Prog Rock. I'm surprised that you didn't know what I was talking about.
If heard other prog rock, but not those guys.

If heard other prog rock, but not those guys.

You really should listen to them if you like Prog.

http://www.connollyco.com/discography/rush/rush_hi.jpg

If heard other prog rock, but not those guys.

Eh?! :eek:

You should definitely check them out. Rush were the guys who started it all, everything people know as prog today was influenced by them.

I can't believe only 8% like classical the most. Oh well, at least rap has no votes, so it isn't all bad. Perhaps the era of high art is over. It produced some great works and lasted a long time, but nothing lasts for ever, right? Well, at least we know pop will suffer the same fate some day. Once its popularity runs out, it will fall to the wayside. Bands that were "in" 20 years ago are already considered hopelessly old.

I can't believe only 8% like classical the most. Oh well, at least rap has no votes, so it isn't all bad. Perhaps the era of high art is over. It produced some great works and lasted a long time, but nothing lasts for ever, right? Well, at least we know pop will suffer the same fate some day. Once its popularity runs out, it will fall to the wayside. Bands that were "in" 20 years ago are already considered hopelessly old.

I enjoy classical. Particularly baroque's Vivaldi. Many find the instrumental music impersonal, however, and complexity of composition isn't so highly prized as it used to be.

I enjoy classical. Particularly baroque's Vivaldi. Many find the instrumental music impersonal, however, and complexity of composition isn't so highly prized as it used to be.

I like it, too. Mozart's my favorite (Turkish March, damnit) of the Classical composers (Beethoven isn't far behind).

It's just that with Rock 'n' Roll, you get something that is much more personal and emotional.

I like it, too. Mozart's my favorite (Turkish March, damnit) of the Classical composers (Beethoven isn't far behind).

It's just that with Rock 'n' Roll, you get something that is much more personal and emotional.

Then try some of the Romantic era stuff. That has plenty of emotion. Rock isn't any more personal than classical; it's made by rich people for money who have no more idea who you are or what you care about than any classical composer did.

My peference is for jungle / drum n bass with filthy evil basslines :cool:

I love reggae and some hip hop too
:)

Erishkigal']My peference is for jungle / drum n bass with filthy evil basslines :cool:

I love reggae and some hip hop too
:)
whats reggae?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

is that a serious question?

I enjoy roots reggae myself and also some dancehall, just not the homophobic stuff

not sure if my attempt at a hyperlink worked

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roots_reggae

Erishkigal']is that a serious question?

I enjoy roots reggae myself and also some dancehall, just not the homophobic stuff
Yes. Seriosly, I do not know whats reggae.

Yes. Seriosly, I do not know whats reggae.

OK

That's great because you have yet to hear some of the most gorgeous music in the world, IMO :)

Most people know Bob Marley, personally I love the late great Tenor Saw, Inni Kamoze, King Tubby, Lee Scratch Perry, The Abbysinians, there are so many wonderful reggae artists

One of the good things about reggae is you can get wicked CD compilations, e.g. the Trojan compilations, on CD relatively cheaply so if you don't know much about the genre you can try out a few CDs without breaking the bank.

Not everyone likes it but I love it!

:cool:

If you like this, you might enjoy reggae

http://www.infinitewheel.com/dubselector.html

:)

Then try some of the Romantic era stuff. That has plenty of emotion. Rock isn't any more personal than classical; it's made by rich people for money who have no more idea who you are or what you care about than any classical composer did.

Romantic era, eh? I'll check some of it out (google works great for finding composers, ya know). And though he makes music for games, I really like Nubuo Uematsu. His work can stand with that of almost any Classical composer (One Winged Angel, anyone?).

And whoa whoa WHOA... Dude, you're talking about Pop groups that play music similar to Rock groups. Bands like Led Zeppelin, Rush, Black Sabbath, the Sex Pistols, Husker Du, and Iron Maiden were hardly manufactured by the wealthy.

Rock isn't any more personal than classical; it's made by rich people for money who have no more idea who you are or what you care about than any classical composer did.

I disagree. The wealthy may distribute the music for their own ends, but it isn't *made* by the rich. You might argue that rock musicians embody the perfect working class ideal - the vast majority of rock bands start out with nothing, and at the end of the day, their own labour and creativity contribute entirely to their wealth and success.

Classical, on the other hand, (with respect for the music) was only ever able to be created by elites with access to years and years of education.

I voted for other, as I don't have a set favourite.