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WalMart wants to do banking; unions and bankers say "no!"

Eutrusca
24-03-2006, 13:41
COMMENTARY: Unions and bankers in bed together? They are when it comes to opposition to WalMart. When you read this, just ask yourself "who stands to gain or lose from WalMart doing this, and where does the money go?" My presonal viewpoint? Anything opposed by Americans for Democratic Action can't be all bad.


A Show of Hands on Wal-Mart (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/24/business/24bank.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&oref=slogin)


By MICHAEL BARBARO
Published: March 24, 2006
Wal-Mart, says the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, is a "generous and thoughtful" partner that has helped recover 140 missing children. Maybe so, but the liberal group Americans for Democratic Action argues that Wal-Mart is "socially irresponsible" for skimping on employee wages.

A dispute over a new store? Not exactly. Instead, these two groups — and an eclectic collection of 69 more — have signed up to testify before federal regulators deciding, of all things, whether Wal-Mart can open a bank.

But like almost anything involving Wal-Mart these days, the dispute has less to do with specific legal or regulatory questions than it does with the deep rift the company has opened across the American landscape.

As a result, highly unusual hearings next month are expected to highlight the degree to which Wal-Mart "the company" has become Wal-Mart "the issue" — a topic, much like affirmative action or abortion that divides legislators, trade groups and advocacy organizations into predictably opposing camps.

To be sure, Wal-Mart's application to open a bank has aroused the interest of groups that have a direct stake in the issue like the North Dakota Bankers Association and the Community Bankers Association of Kansas. But it is considerably harder to explain the interest of the Salvation Army (for), the Utah Farmers Union (leaning against) and Jobs With Justice (against).

They are either anti-Wal-Mart because of its business practices, or pro-Wal-Mart because they like its rock-bottom pricing strategy or benefit from the retailer's charity.

The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, which is reviewing Wal-Mart's application, has never before held a hearing on a bank application because none have ever provoked much of a response.

The question facing regulators is whether Wal-Mart, by far the nation's largest retailer and its biggest private employer, can open a bank in Utah that would process credit and debit card transactions for its 3,500 American stores. Dozens of companies, including Target, Toyota and BMW, operate similar banks.

Wal-Mart argues that a bank would save money for itself and its shoppers by avoiding the charges imposed on credit card purchases by other financial institutions, which amount to at least $5 million a year. Opponents argue that the bank, even with its narrow focus, would allow Wal-Mart eventually to open retail banking branches that could wipe out competitors, an ambition Wal-Mart denies harboring.

In a concession to opponents, Wal-Mart said yesterday that it would no longer seek an exemption from a law requiring its proposed bank to invest in low-income communities, which could relieve some criticism.

So far, the F.D.I.C. has received a record 1,900 letters from the public on Wal-Mart's application. The first hearing, spread across two days to accommodate all the speakers, is scheduled for April 10 and 11 in Arlington, Va., just outside Washington; the second will occur April 25 in Overland Park, Kan.

Sarita Gupta, national field director for Jobs With Justice, says that Wal-Mart — with what she considers a poor record of low wages, meager benefits and the elimination of thousands of small retailers unable to compete with Wal-Mart's low prices — should not be rewarded with a bank. "Until they address these bad corporate practices," she said, "why would we allow them to expand into a new industry?"

The Salvation Army, by contrast, plans to speak in support of Wal-Mart, trumpeting the company's steady financial support for the charity's Red Kettle Christmas Campaign and Wal-Mart's rapid response to aid victims of Hurricane Katrina.

"We are not bankers and we don't pretend to be," said Maj. George Hood, in charge of national community relations at the Salvation Army. "Our focus is to be a character witness for Wal-Mart and their support for communities."

Both sides are marshaling their forces for the fight. The Salvation Army and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, each recipients of Wal-Mart funds, signed up to testify after they were contacted by Wal-Mart officials. Jobs for Justice and Americans for Democratic Action are working with Wakeupwalmart.com, a union-backed group also scheduled to testify.

In such a charged political atmosphere, perhaps it is no surprise that Senator Hillary Clinton, Democrat of New York, who once served on Wal-Mart's board, now says in a letter that she has "serious reservations" about the bank application. Her position is shared by several large New York financial institutions, which view banks like the one proposed by Wal-Mart — technically an industrial loan corporation — as a potential source of competition that receives relatively little scrutiny from regulators.

Plenty of regular people, unaffiliated with trade or community groups, have also weighed in, reflecting the powerful emotions Wal-Mart evokes, both pro and con.

Robert J. Pansegrau of Palm Springs, Calif., endorsed the company's banking ambitions, arguing Wal-Mart "has saved Americans billions and billions, bringing much-needed price relief to my family and friends."

"Banks that protest," he added, "are just afraid of losing their monopoly on huge fees."

But James Domenico of San Francisco wrote that he was "unequivocally opposed" to the application, describing Wal-Mart as a "rapacious and unrelenting competitor that routinely, as company policy, drives smaller competitors out of business."

A Wal-Mart spokesman, John Kelly, said the company was unfazed by all the attention or the prospect that the government hearings might become a referendum on the company, rather than its efforts to open a bank.

"I think you are going to hear attacks on the character of Wal-Mart," Mr. Kelly conceded. "We look forward to getting our position out."
Cannot think of a name
24-03-2006, 14:03
COMMENTARY: Unions and bankers in bed together? They are when it comes to opposition to WalMart. When you read this, just ask yourself "who stands to gain or lose from WalMart doing this, and where does the money go?" My presonal viewpoint? Anything opposed by Americans for Democratic Action can't be all bad.
How very centrist of you. This is a disturbing admission even outside of your political leaning claims, simple gain saying opposition of a group because they are 'leftists' belies a lack of personal consideration and indicating that you are just as much a slave to agenda as you would be if you blindly supported anything they did. Not a good opener.


In such a charged political atmosphere, perhaps it is no surprise that Senator Hillary Clinton, Democrat of New York, who once served on Wal-Mart's board, now says in a letter that she has "serious reservations" about the bank application. Her position is shared by several large New York financial institutions, which view banks like the one proposed by Wal-Mart — technically an industrial loan corporation — as a potential source of competition that receives relatively little scrutiny from regulators.

I know you bolded this section for another bit of guilt by association (Oh no! It's Hillary!), but I have re-highlighted what I think is the relevant objection. We haven't had a great deal of luck with unregulated banking, and that's a serious concern that can't be waved away with the fact that it's a criticism that comes from competitors. Considering Wal*Mart's history handling its business affairs, allowing it to go into banking with little scrutiny does indeed raise some serious issues, issues that it would be negligent to overlook because they happen to be asked by Hillary or Americans for Democratic Action. We must be careful that our partisanship doesn't lead us over a waterfall.

This makes their PR chest thumping over their charitable donations seem disingenuous:
In a concession to opponents, Wal-Mart said yesterday that it would no longer seek an exemption from a law requiring its proposed bank to invest in low-income communities, which could relieve some criticism.
Non Aligned States
24-03-2006, 14:19
My presonal viewpoint? Anything opposed by Americans for Democratic Action can't be all bad.

Said people oppose letting rapists have their way and walking away on general principles. Obviously in your self admitted opinion, it wouldn't be all that bad just because they oppose it. Now then, let us see where your so called 'opinion' lies now Eut. Especially when it affects you personally.

And you wouldn't be singing "it wouldn't be so bad" when you start getting 300% compound interest rates for credit purchases from Wal Mart. I wouldn't put loan shark behaviour above them.
Galloism
24-03-2006, 14:26
Political wrangling aside:

Doesn't Wal-Mart sell guns? Couldn't you go over to sporting goods, get a ski mask, go over to luggage, get a duffel bag, go back over to sporting goods, get a gun, and then rob the bank?

One-stop robbery.

Apparently - this was the post of death.
Demented Hamsters
24-03-2006, 14:51
Who wrote that article? Was it you, Eutrusca? It's the most blatant lop-sided right-wing piece I've read in a long time. If it wasn't Eut, then it must have been some ad exec employed by Wal mart. You sure it wasn't faxed in from Wal Mart HQ?
Let's go thru it a bit more carefully
Look at the opening paragraph:
Wal-Mart, says the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, is a "generous and thoughtful" partner that has helped recover 140 missing children. Maybe so, but the liberal group Americans for Democratic Action argues that Wal-Mart is "socially irresponsible" for skimping on employee wages.
What the fuck has that got to do with WM desire to move into the banking industry? Other than to make them look great and caring to anyone reading this crapola and by inference paint the ADA in a negative light, as they're opposed to 'generous and thoughtful' WM.
They are either anti-Wal-Mart because of its business practices, or pro-Wal-Mart because they like its rock-bottom pricing strategy or benefit from the retailer's charity.
Great way to lump everyone into categories. WM gives to charity, so that must mean I'm a good person for supporting them. Therefore anyone anti-WM must be a 'bad' person, one who hates WM because of their business practises - said business practises involve, as we find out in the very next paragraph, giving to charity and selling things cheap.
Wow. A person would have to be an absolute ass to be against those.
Sarita Gupta, national field director for Jobs With Justice, says that Wal-Mart - with what she considers a poor record of low wages, meager benefits...
Oh, right. It's only what she considers. It's not like she bothered to do any research or anything. Just conjecture, right? So we can disregard her opinion. Added to that, she's got a funny name.
perhaps it is no surprise that Senator Hillary Clinton, Democrat of New York
Funny, I didn't realise there was only one democrat in NY. How about you get it right and call her the Democrat Senator for NY? Or does giving her even the smallest of respect stick in your craw too much?
I see from Eut's bolding, using her name had the appropriate response. The pavlovian "OMG! Not Hillary! The Anti-Christ! If she's against it, I'm for it!"
Plenty of regular people, unaffiliated with trade or community groups, have also weighed in..
Right. regular joes, like me and you. Unlike those weirdo trade or community groups full of pinkos and liberals and Hillary-lovers.
A Wal-Mart spokesman, John Kelly, said the company was unfazed by all the attention or the prospect that the government hearings might become a referendum on the company, rather than its efforts to open a bank.
"I think you are going to hear attacks on the character of Wal-Mart," Mr. Kelly conceded. "We look forward to getting our position out."
Quite. And it's blindingly obvious from this piece of trash reporting that paying arse-licking toadies to do 'news' reporting on you is just one of the ways you're going to go about doing it.

This is a partisan hack job. It's one of the worst, lop-sided and most transparent attempts I've seen at 'factual' reporting in a long, long time. This guy should work for FOX.
The Nazz
24-03-2006, 15:10
The sad thing, Demented Hamsters, is that it came from the New York Times. Isn't that a liberal rag?

And Eutrusca, you might want to be careful with those knee-jerk reactions. You hyperextend that thing and you could be on crutches for a couple of days.
Keruvalia
24-03-2006, 15:18
Banking now, too, eh?

Prediction 2026: 2nd general election for the Board of Directors of the United States of Wal-Mart. Wal-Martians overwhelmingly vote to approve a bill adopting the answer to "What Would Jesus Do?" as "Shop here". Sam Walton is once again resurrected and unanimously elected President.
Sdaeriji
24-03-2006, 15:21
Banking now, too, eh?

Prediction 2026: 2nd general election for the Board of Directors of the United States of Wal-Mart. Wal-Martians overwhelmingly vote to approve a bill adopting the answer to "What Would Jesus Do?" as "Shop here". Sam Walton is once again resurrected and unanimously elected President.

Heh, Wal-Martians. From the planet Wal-Mars. :D
Keruvalia
24-03-2006, 15:23
Heh, Wal-Martians. From the planet Wal-Mars. :D

No no ... that will come around 2065 when Wal-Mart takes over the known universe.
Jeruselem
24-03-2006, 15:29
No no ... that will come around 2065 when Wal-Mart takes over the known universe.

But the empire collapses when Super Wal Station is destroyed by Wal Rebels opposing the rule of Emperor Sam Walton. :D
Keruvalia
24-03-2006, 15:32
But the empire collapses when Super Wal Station is destroyed by Wal Rebels opposing the rule of Emperor Sam Walton. :D

Yes, and then Muad'Dib fights Sting and it will rain on Arrakis, thus allowing the Bene Gesserit sisterhood (who work in housewares) to finally bring an end to the reign of the House of Wal.
BogMarsh
24-03-2006, 15:37
*shrug*
The stability of any banking-system is not exactly served by integrating a bank and a retail-corporation. By having too much of the capital of any retail-bank connected to any cooperation, the chances of 'meltdowns' and panicks increase.

Regardless of the motives of bankers and unions, the proposed banking activities by Walmart are not a sound idea.
Boonytopia
25-03-2006, 15:02
Banking now, too, eh?

Prediction 2026: 2nd general election for the Board of Directors of the United States of Wal-Mart. Wal-Martians overwhelmingly vote to approve a bill adopting the answer to "What Would Jesus Do?" as "Shop here". Sam Walton is once again resurrected and unanimously elected President.

:D