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Looking at this story...words fail me. How...why...what were his parents doing and how did he turn out like this...the fact that people walked by and didn't help...

It's not mentioned in the story I've posted below, but apparently this boy was 'addicted to violent pornography.' When things like this happen, is it right that these things are so easily accessible, especially to a teenager?


Boy who raped four girls detained
A 15-year-old boy who admitted raping four primary school girls has been sentenced to four years in a young offenders institution. The teenager, who admitted the attacks, was ordered by Manchester Crown Court to spend another five years on license after serving his custodial sentence.

He pleaded guilty to four counts of rape against a seven-year-old, two eight-year-olds and a 10-year-old.

The offences happened near swings in Mandley Park, Salford, in July 2005. The court heard how the boy approached the girls as they played tag in a secluded area of the park.

He suggested they play a game of dare with him.

The boy, who was 14 at the time of the attack, was arrested the following day. The judge refused to lift reporting restrictions to allow the media to name the youth.

Manchester Crown Court heard how one of the youngsters was ignored by passers-by as she cried for help. One girl described how her attacker threatened to kill her if she failed to agree to his demands. Another recounted how he said he would "leather them" if they tried to run away.

The teenager denied a further four sex offences, alleged to have happened in January, but they were ordered to lie on file.

The victims' parents said they were pleased with the sentence and hoped the boy would get treatment to stop him offending again.

"Our lives were completely devastated last July. The innocence of our daughters was cruelly stolen from them by this sexual ordeal. They will never be the same," their statement said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4837210.stm

This boy is a piece of sh*t and should NEVER be free to walk the streets again. I feel terrible sorrow for the young innocent girls involved and their families.

Looking at this story...words fail me. How...why...what were his parents doing and how did he turn out like this...the fact that people walked by and didn't help...

It's not mentioned in the story I've posted below, but apparently this boy was 'addicted to violent pornography.' When things like this happen, is it right that these things are so easily accessible, especially to a teenager?
While not condoning violent porn, I think people like this are going to do terrible things regardless of what's available or accessible for them to view.

This boy is a piece of sh*t and should NEVER be free to walk the streets again. I feel terrible sorrow for the young innocent girls involved and their families.
I second this!

Violent porn isn't the problem (unless the violent porn is non consentual). The problem is mentally unbalanced people who can't separate fantasy from reality. I watch violent movies (my porn isn't violent though). I don't go around acting like Dirty Harry though. Why? I know the difference between movies and real life.

The 15 year old rapist needs life in prison. He's too much of a mess to be alowed access to potential victims ever again.

The boy must be held responsible. Preferably by himself, but such a thing is unlikely.

Looking at this story...words fail me. How...why...what were his parents doing and how did he turn out like this...the fact that people walked by and didn't help...

It's not mentioned in the story I've posted below, but apparently this boy was 'addicted to violent pornography.' When things like this happen, is it right that these things are so easily accessible, especially to a teenager?

while it doesn't say anything about Violent Porn, there are alot of things accessible to a teenager. and that is why Parents need to be involved with their children/teens.

So that begs the question... where were the parents.

and how low has society gone when people will ignore a child's cry for help? :(

This boy is a piece of sh*t and should NEVER be free to walk the streets again. I feel terrible sorrow for the young innocent girls involved and their families.

As "cruel" as this may sound, he needs to be dead. A pedophile, child molester, rapist, or sex offender is not reachable once they commit the act. If you catch them in the porn stage, thought stage, etc..., they can be helped. And it doesn't matter what age they are.

But once they carry it out, they are forever shut because that is the act that seals them into being a pedophile.

As "cruel" as this may sound, he needs to be dead. A pedophile, child molester, rapist, or sex offender is not reachable once they commit the act. If you catch them in the porn stage, thought stage, etc..., they can be helped. And it doesn't matter what age they are.

But once they carry it out, they are forever shut because that is the act that seals them into being a pedophile.
whoaaaa

they can be reached, and put in a work camp
dosent make any sense to jsut kill him, theres lots of work-years in him

The entire porn industry needs to be shut down.

The sleazy, evil, wicked, horrid men who peddle and make this damning material should be shot :sniper:

This society need to declare WAR on the porn industry, especially the CHILD PORN industry.

It makes me mad everytime I think about it. DAMN EVERY LAST CHILD MOLESTER THAT EVERY LIVED!:mad: :gundge: :mp5: :sniper: :upyours:

whoaaaa

they can be reached, and put in a work camp
dosent make any sense to jsut kill him, theres lots of work-years in him

No, sadly, they can't be reached. And I don't want them soaking up society's tax money to rot in prison.

They can just as easily rot in the ground.

The entire porn industry needs to be shut down.

The sleazy, evil, wicked, horrid men who peddle and make this damning material should be shot :sniper:

This society need to declare WAR on the porn industry, especially the CHILD PORN industry.

It makes me mad everytime I think about it. DAMN EVERY LAST CHILD MOLESTER THAT EVERY LIVED!:mad: :gundge: :mp5: :sniper: :upyours:
What good would shutting down the entire (legal) industry do? He was interested in the extreme pornography, not 'normal' stuff.

No, sadly, they can't be reached. And I don't want them soaking up society's tax money to rot in prison.

They can just as easily rot in the ground.


Except... they can be. He's only 15 years old, if you want the death of a mentally ill 15 year old on your hands for the rest of your life... i guess that's up to you. The death penelty has slowly been becoming more and more of a broad answer to so many different crimes. It needs to be stopped.

Anyways...I'd say a very hefty sentence in prison along with rehabilitation for a very long time. but definately lifetime probation after sentence.

What good would shutting down the entire (legal) industry do? He was interested in the extreme pornography, not 'normal' stuff.
The envelope is always pushed. Take a look at the porn your grandparents probably looked at when they were teens and you'll think it was rated R stuff compared to what's out there that is considered "Normal"

The envelope is always pushed. Take a look at the porn your grandparents probably looked at when they were teens and you'll think it was rated R stuff compared to what's out there that is considered "Normal"
True, but I wasn't really trying to defend porn, just point out that there didn't seem any basis (at least in this story) as to why the entire industry should be closed. I can see an argument along the lines of "boy addicted to violent porn and then went out to commit violent acts so violent porn should be banned," but not along the lines of "boy committed violent acts so all porn should be banned."

The entire porn industry needs to be shut down.

The sleazy, evil, wicked, horrid men who peddle and make this damning material should be shot :sniper:

This society need to declare WAR on the porn industry, especially the CHILD PORN industry.

It makes me mad everytime I think about it. DAMN EVERY LAST CHILD MOLESTER THAT EVERY LIVED!:mad: :gundge: :mp5: :sniper: :upyours:
1) No, consentual adult porn is fine. It doesn't need to be shut down any more than the church industry needs to be shut down.

2) We need to declare war on those who would limit our freedom as well as those involved in child porn. Both groups of people should be fed into wood chippers feet first and slowly.

3) BTW, Child Porn is already illegal and is agressively investigated and prosecuted.

True, but I wasn't really trying to defend porn, just point out that there didn't seem any basis (at least in this story) as to why the entire industry should be closed. I can see an argument along the lines of "boy addicted to violent porn and then went out to commit violent acts so violent porn should be banned," but not along the lines of "boy committed violent acts so all porn should be banned."
well, you did bring up the idea (not the fact) that the kid was hooked on violent Porn.

but Porn, like almost everything socially acceptable, shifts and changes with the time. I remember a time where "Hell" and "Shit" were considered the worst words one could utter... nowdays... :rolleyes:

who knows... maybe 20 years down the line, B/D, S/M, and other violent porn may be considered "normal" and who can imagine what new fetish will be considered "Fringe" as society moves on.

Then there's the fact that "banning" one aspect of Porn will make it all the more desireable... exotic...

Think about it. the best way to get a person to see a movie, or read a book is to forbid it.

well, you did bring up the idea (not the fact) that the kid was hooked on violent Porn.
He was - it's just not mentioned in that particular article.

but Porn, like almost everything socially acceptable, shifts and changes with the time. I remember a time where "Hell" and "Shit" were considered the worst words one could utter... nowdays... :rolleyes:

who knows... maybe 20 years down the line, B/D, S/M, and other violent porn may be considered "normal" and who can imagine what new fetish will be considered "Fringe" as society moves on.
I agree, but presumably the only way to stop this would be to ban all pornography, so that what is 'normal' now becomes the 'fringe' again.

Then there's the fact that "banning" one aspect of Porn will make it all the more desireable... exotic...

Think about it. the best way to get a person to see a movie, or read a book is to forbid it.
I don't think that violent porn is something that would become attractive because it was banned. There has to be a desire to beat the ban, and I don't think this kind of pornography would inspire such a desire. Murder is banned, but the only people who have any desire to commit the act just because it is banned are probably a bit twisted in the head to begin with.

He was - it's just not mentioned in that particular article.
then please post the article or source that says he was, thus it would seem less than opinion and more medical fact.
I agree, but presumably the only way to stop this would be to ban all pornography, so that what is 'normal' now becomes the 'fringe' again.and that will be tough. not saying I'm for it, just saying to attempt something like that will be like prohibition all over again.
I don't think that violent porn is something that would become attractive because it was banned. There has to be a desire to beat the ban, and I don't think this kind of pornography would inspire such a desire. Murder is banned, but the only people who have any desire to commit the act just because it is banned are probably a bit twisted in the head to begin with.one never knows what the future holds... but to get an indication, look at trends and fads throughout the years, and look at each one as a person living at that time. so those old granny-style swimsuits were quite daring in those days... now look at the bikini's that are being sold now.

look at movies 30 years ago and compare them to ones in theaters now... there is a move towards more and detailed violence, sex and profanity. heck... "Urban Cowboy" was rated X when it first came out...

oh and if The Neiman sees your comment about murderers, he might include them on his list of "people who cannot be reached." :p

So, when are people starting to demand a ban on bad parenting?
I´ld second that.

But it seems parents are not responsible for what their kids do or have access to. My bad.

then please post the article or source that says he was, thus it would seem less than opinion and more medical fact.
Are you seriously telling me that I have to ring up BBC Radio News and ask them to send me a certificate telling me what they've been broadcasting in order for it to become a 'fact' rather than 'my opinion?'

Try to take my porn and I'll take your friggin' head. :D
And do it with a smile on my face.

So, when are people starting to demand a ban on bad parenting?
I´ld second that.

But it seems parents are not responsible for what their kids do or have access to. My bad.
How about this? If you raise a kid who becomes a rapist, child molester, or murderer you have to eat as much of the kid as possible in one sitting, then get kicked in your distended stomach until it ruptures and you die slowly.

Are you seriously telling me that I have to ring up BBC Radio News and ask them to send me a certificate telling me what they've been broadcasting in order for it to become a 'fact' rather than 'my opinion?'
Here you go:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/mainframe.shtml?http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio2_aod.shtml?radio2/r2_vine_thu

I hope that link works - you'll have to click four times on the forward 15 minutes button, as it's the second item in the one o clock news (You could just listen to an hour of Jeremy Vine, if you prefer :p ).

How about this? If you raise a kid who becomes a rapist, child molester, or murderer you have to eat as much of the kid as possible in one sitting, then get kicked in your distended stomach until it ruptures and you die slowly.

I like that.
Now, who is gonna make the appropriate UN resolution?
But wait! Isn´t it a wee bit unfair towards the US, considering the obesity rates over there?

I like that.
Now, who is gonna make the appropriate UN resolution?
But wait! Isn´t it a wee bit unfair towards the US, considering the obesity rates over there?
No, you just have to kick fat people extra hard because the layers of fat cushion the blow. Maybe fat people could have their stomachs ruptured with a sledge hammer instead.

No, you just have to kick fat people extra hard because the layers of fat cushion the blow. Maybe fat people could have their stomachs ruptured with a sledge hammer instead.

Ooookay...
Incidentally, I was thinking about people having to eat their obese kids.
"OMG! Another 15000 calories of offspring! I´ll blow up!" - then the fun part (i.e. the kicking) would have to be omitted.

:upyours: Try to take my porn and I'll take your friggin' head. :D
And do it with a smile on my face.

NOT IF I KILL YOU FIRST, DAMMIT!:mad:

oh and if The Neiman sees your comment about murderers, he might include them on his list of "people who cannot be reached." :p

They were already on that list.

Banning porn is definitely not the answer. Child porn is already illegal, as is any where the stars are actually abused. Consenting adults can do whatever they want, and other consenting adults can watch them.

The kid who killed those girls is responsible for his own actions. He is just a psycho. He was always going to end up a murderer. The problem isnt porn, it is that someone who is obviously insane can go unnoticed in society until they kill someone else.

It is only a matter of time before child porn is legalized.

Pornography is more destructive than any drug. It is it's own vile genre of drug.

It destroys families, marriages, and lives.

It destroys trust.

It gives people a warped sense of sexuality.

It degrades women and children, and turns our sons, husbands, and fathers into sleaze ball addicts.

No good can ever come of porn. It is of Satan. It is evil.

Banning porn is definitely not the answer.

Then what, pray tell, is the answer?

It is only a matter of time before child porn is legalized.

Pornography is more destructive than any drug. It is it's own vile genre of drug.

It destroys families, marriages, and lives.

It destroys trust.

It gives people a warped sense of sexuality.

It degrades women and children, and turns our sons, husbands, and fathers into sleaze ball addicts.

No good can ever come of porn. It is of Satan. It is evil.
1) No it's not.

2) Pornography doesn't compare to drugs. Addictive drugs cause chemical changes that make the user feel unwell without the drug. Pornography is just pictures of people screwing.

3) No, porn doesn't destroy families and lives. People's poor decisions do.

4) It doesn't destroy trust, dishonesty does that.

5) What's a warped sense of sexuality? People are individuals with individual ideas of what's sexy and what's not.

6) It degrades nobody. It's just people screwing in front of a camera.

:upyours:

NOT IF I KILL YOU FIRST, DAMMIT!:mad:

You need some porn and a wank. That might make you chill the fuck off.

The 15 year old rapist needs life in prison. He's too much of a mess to be alowed access to potential victims ever again.

How do you know this? Have you met him? Evaluated his mental state?

Something tells me you haven't, that you are judging his current mental condition and any future psychological state based on what you have heard about it him.

It is only a matter of time before child porn is legalized.

Pornography is more destructive than any drug. It is it's own vile genre of drug.

It destroys families, marriages, and lives.

It destroys trust.

It gives people a warped sense of sexuality.

It degrades women and children, and turns our sons, husbands, and fathers into sleaze ball addicts.

No good can ever come of porn. It is of Satan. It is evil.

Dude, get laid! ;)

How do you know this? Have you met him? Evaluated his mental state?

Something tells me you haven't, that you are judging his current mental condition and any future psychological state based on what you have heard about it him.
Sure I've met him. I'm also a professional psychiatrist and have evaluated him for the court.


Ok, no I haven't met him and I'm not a doctor, but I still feel fine giving my opinion. If this scumbag had raped my (hypothetical) daughter and was ever released from prison he'd be dead within a couple of days.

Can't we just pull a Darth Revan on this kid? >_>

Can't we just pull a Darth Revan on this kid? >_>
pull a what now?

Ok, no I haven't met him and I'm not a doctor, but I still feel fine giving my opinion. If this scumbag had raped my (hypothetical) daughter and was ever released from prison he'd be dead within a couple of days.

With that attitude, so would you. Fortunately, there are ways to stop such stupid decisions. One of them is growing up.

“Pornographic or erotic stories and pictures are worse than filthy or polluted food. The body has defenses to rid itself of unwholesome food. With a few fatal exceptions, bad food will only make you sick but do no permanent harm. In contrast, a person who feasts upon filthy stories or pornographic or erotic pictures and literature records them in this marvelous retrieval system we call a brain. The brain won’t vomit back filth. Once recorded, it will always remain subject to recall, flashing its perverted images across your mind and drawing you away from the wholesome things in life.”

Pornography impairs one’s ability to enjoy a normal emotional, romantic, and spiritual relationship with a person of the opposite sex. It erodes the moral barriers that stand against inappropriate, abnormal, or illegal behavior. As conscience is desensitized, patrons of pornography are led to act out what they have witnessed, regardless of its effects on their life and the lives of others.

Pornography is also addictive. It impairs decision-making capacities and it “hooks” its users, drawing them back obsessively for more and more. A man who had been addicted to pornography and to hard drugs gave this comparison: “In my eyes cocaine doesn’t hold a candle to this. I have done both. … Quitting even the hardest drugs was nothing compared to trying to quit pornography”

Some seek to justify their indulgence by arguing that they are only viewing “soft,” not “hard,” porn. A wise man called this refusing to see evil as evil. He quoted men seeking to justify their viewing choices by comparisons such as “not as bad as” or “only one bad scene.” But the test of what is evil is not its degree but its effect. When persons entertain evil thoughts long enough, they become subject to the power and direction of evil. When they use Internet or other pornography for “arousal on demand” they are deeply soiled by sin.

With that attitude, so would you. Fortunately, there are ways to stop such stupid decisions. One of them is growing up.
So would I what? Be dead in a couple of days? Whatever. One has to protect his family and community. Sometimes there's a price to pay in order to do that.

pull a what now?

Brainwash him and install and new identity. A good one.

“Pornographic or erotic stories and pictures are worse than filthy or polluted food. The body has defenses to rid itself of unwholesome food. With a few fatal exceptions, bad food will only make you sick but do no permanent harm. In contrast, a person who feasts upon filthy stories or pornographic or erotic pictures and literature records them in this marvelous retrieval system we call a brain. The brain won’t vomit back filth. Once recorded, it will always remain subject to recall, flashing its perverted images across your mind and drawing you away from the wholesome things in life.”

Who are you quoting?

Ok, no I haven't met him and I'm not a doctor, but I still feel fine giving my opinion. If this scumbag had raped my (hypothetical) daughter and was ever released from prison he'd be dead within a couple of days.

Even if he was fully rehabilitated you'd murder him?

And people think I'm violent...

So would I what? Be dead in a couple of days? Whatever. One has to protect his family and community. Sometimes there's a price to pay in order to do that.

Yeah, because countries where rule of law is eroded are so safe for one's "family and community." Really, do grow up.

“Pornographic or erotic stories and pictures are worse than filthy or polluted food. The body has defenses to rid itself of unwholesome food. With a few fatal exceptions, bad food will only make you sick but do no permanent harm. In contrast, a person who feasts upon filthy stories or pornographic or erotic pictures and literature records them in this marvelous retrieval system we call a brain. The brain won’t vomit back filth. Once recorded, it will always remain subject to recall, flashing its perverted images across your mind and drawing you away from the wholesome things in life.”

Pornography impairs one’s ability to enjoy a normal emotional, romantic, and spiritual relationship with a person of the opposite sex. It erodes the moral barriers that stand against inappropriate, abnormal, or illegal behavior. As conscience is desensitized, patrons of pornography are led to act out what they have witnessed, regardless of its effects on their life and the lives of others.

Pornography is also addictive. It impairs decision-making capacities and it “hooks” its users, drawing them back obsessively for more and more. A man who had been addicted to pornography and to hard drugs gave this comparison: “In my eyes cocaine doesn’t hold a candle to this. I have done both. … Quitting even the hardest drugs was nothing compared to [trying to quit pornography]”
Is that your personal opinion or someone else's? Whoever's it is it's stupid. There's nothing to back up most of the points it makes, and it's rant on porn's "addictive" properties could just as easily apply to Television, reading, NS, or just about anything pleasant.

The guy who compared porn to cocaine is a moron. Porn doesn't cause brain damage or endanger one's life from overdose or cardiac problems. If he can't keep his hand off of his meat then he's defective. Us normal people shouldn't have our rights infringed upon because he's a mess.

Yeah, because countries where rule of law is eroded are so safe for one's "family and community." Really, do grow up.
We see things differently. I guess if you had kids and they were raped you'd be fine with the legal system letting the rapist back out to rape more kids. Really, don't be so fucking weak.

Even if he was fully rehabilitated you'd murder him?

And people think I'm violent...
I'm under the impression that one can't rehabilitate rapists.

We see things differently. I guess if you had kids and they were raped you'd be fine with the legal system letting the rapist back out to rape more kids. Really, don't be so fucking weak.

I'd be perfectly happy to see the justice system work. It does not with people like you around, who seem to think vengeance is justice, or that you make the community "safer" when eroding its very fabric. Really, don't be so fucking emotionally pathetic.

I'm under the impression that one can't rehabilitate rapists.

The experts would seem to be in disagreement with you.

It is a serious problem. It grows increasingly worse. It is like a raging storm, destroying individuals and families, utterly ruining what was once wholesome and beautiful. Pornography in all of its manifestations.

Quoting a wife who had a husband who viewed porn-

“My husband of 35 years died recently. … he came to me earlier on that same evening to tell me he had been addicted to pornography. He needed me to forgive him before he died. He further said that he had grown tired of living a double life. He had served in many important positions in the community while knowing at the same time that he was in the grips of this ‘other master.’

“I was stunned, hurt, felt betrayed and violated. I could not promise him forgiveness at that moment but pleaded for time. … I was able to review my married life and how pornography had … put a stranglehold on our marriage from early on. We had only been married a couple of months when he brought home a pornographic magazine. I locked him out of the car because I was so hurt and angry. …

“For many years in our marriage … he was most cruel in many of his demands. I was never good enough for him. … I felt incredibly beaten down at that time to a point of deep depression. … I know now that I was being compared to the latest ‘porn queen.’ …

“We went to counseling one time and … my husband proceeded to rip me apart with his criticism and disdain of me. …

“I could not even get into the car with him after that but walked around the town … for hours, contemplating suicide. I thought, ‘Why go on if this is all that my husband feels for me?’

“I did go on, but zipped a protective shield around myself. I existed for other reasons than my husband and found joy in my children, in projects and accomplishments that I could do totally on my own. …

“After his ‘deathbed confession’ and after taking time to search through my life, I said to him, ‘Don’t you know what you have done?’ … I told him I had brought a pure heart into our marriage, kept it pure during that marriage, and intended to keep it pure ever after. Why could he not do the same for me? All I ever wanted was to feel cherished and treated with the smallest of pleasantries … instead of being treated like some kind of chattel. …

“I am now left to grieve not only for his being gone but also for a relationship that could have been beautiful, but was not. …

“Please warn others. Pornography is not some titillating feast for the eyes that gives a momentary rush of excitement. It has the effect of damaging hearts and souls to their very depths, strangling the life out of relationships that should be sacred, hurting to the very core those you should love the most.”

And she signs the letter.


What a pathetic and tragic story. And what of her husband? He has died a painful death from cancer, his final words a confession of a life laced with sin.

And sin it is. It is devilish. It is totally inconsistent with the spirit of the gospel, with personal testimony of the things of God.

It arises from many sources and expresses itself in a variety of ways. Now it is compounded by the Internet. That Internet is available not only to adults but also to young people.

I recently read that pornography has become a $57 billion industry worldwide. Twelve billion of this is derived in the United States by evil and “conspiring men” who seek riches at the expense of the gullible. It is reported that it produces more revenue in the United States than the “combined revenues of all professional football, baseball and basketball franchises or the combined revenues of ABC, CBS, and NBC” (“Internet Pornography Statistics: 2003,” Internet, http://www.healthymind.com/5-port-stats.html).

It robs the workplace of the time and talents of employees. “20% of men admit accessing pornography at work. 13% of women [do so]. … 10% of adults admit having internet sexual addiction” (“Internet Pornography Statistics: 2003"). That is their admission, but actually the number may be much higher.

The National Coalition for the Protection of Children and Families states that “approximately 40 million people in the United States are sexually involved with the Internet. …

“One in five children ages 10–17 [has] received a sexual solicitation over the Internet. …

“Three million of the visitors to adult websites in September 2000 were age 17 or younger. …

“Sex is the number 1 topic searched on the Internet” (NCPCE Online, “Current Statistics,” Internet, http://www.nationalcoalition.org/stat.html).

I might go on, but you, too, know enough of the seriousness of the problem. Suffice it to say that all who are involved become victims. Children are exploited, and their lives are severely damaged. The minds of youth become warped with false concepts. Continued exposure leads to addiction that is almost impossible to break. Men, so very many, find they cannot leave it alone. Their energies and their interests are consumed in their dead-end pursuit of this raw and sleazy fare.

The excuse is given that it is hard to avoid, that it is right at our fingertips and there is no escape.

Suppose a storm is raging and the winds howl and the snow swirls about you. You find yourself unable to stop it. But you can dress properly and seek shelter, and the storm will have no effect upon you.

Likewise, even though the Internet is saturated with sleazy material, you do not have to watch it. You can retreat to the shelter of the gospel and its teaching of cleanliness and virtue and purity of life.

I know that I am speaking directly and plainly. I do so because the Internet has made pornography more widely accessible, adding to what is available on DVDs and videos, on television and magazine stands. It leads to fantasies that are destructive of self-respect. It leads to illicit relationships, often to disease, and to abusive criminal activity.


We can do better than this.

The high road of decency, of self-discipline, of wholesome living is the road for people, both young and old.

Now the time has come for any one of us who is so involved to pull himself out of the mire, to stand above this evil thing.

We do not have to view salacious magazines.

We do not have to read books laden with smut.

We do not have to watch television that is beneath wholesome standards.

We do not have to rent movies that depict that which is filthy.

We do not have to sit at the computer and play with pornographic material found on the Internet.

I repeat, we can do better than this.

We must do better than this.

If necessary, seek the counsel of caring professionals.

Let any who may be in the grip of this vise get upon their knees in the privacy of their closet and plead with the Lord for help to free them from this evil monster.

If we are involved in such behavior, now is the time to change. Let this be our hour of resolution. Let us turn about to a better way.

A whole bunch of pseudo-religious codswallop.

I like my porn. Keep your grubby hands off it. Your long-winded "it's bad because I say it's bad" is of no concern.

Who are you quoting?

He has taken text from this (http://www.lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-520-29,00.html) website.

The website is a speech/lecture on how sinful porn is in the eyes of "Elder Dallin H. Oaks". Its a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints website.

He has taken text from this (http://www.lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-520-29,00.html) website.

The website is a speech/lecture on how sinful porn is in the eyes of "Elder Dallin H. Oaks". Its a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints website.

Yes it is. Modified, of course.

Very good.

He has taken text from this (http://www.lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-520-29,00.html) website.

The website is a speech/lecture on how sinful porn is in the eyes of "Elder Dallin H. Oaks". Its a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints website.

Thanks.

The website is a speech/lecture on how sinful porn is in the eyes of "Elder Dallin H. Oaks". Its a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints website.

Ugh, mormons...

It is a serious problem. It grows increasingly worse. It is like a raging storm, destroying individuals and families, utterly ruining what was once wholesome and beautiful. Pornography in all of its manifestations.

Quoting a wife who had a husband who viewed porn-

“My husband of 35 years died recently. … he came to me earlier on that same evening to tell me he had been addicted to pornography. He needed me to forgive him before he died. He further said that he had grown tired of living a double life. He had served in many important positions in the community while knowing at the same time that he was in the grips of this ‘other master.’

“I was stunned, hurt, felt betrayed and violated. I could not promise him forgiveness at that moment but pleaded for time. … I was able to review my married life and how pornography had … put a stranglehold on our marriage from early on. We had only been married a couple of months when he brought home a pornographic magazine. I locked him out of the car because I was so hurt and angry. …

“For many years in our marriage … he was most cruel in many of his demands. I was never good enough for him. … I felt incredibly beaten down at that time to a point of deep depression. … I know now that I was being compared to the latest ‘porn queen.’ …

“We went to counseling one time and … my husband proceeded to rip me apart with his criticism and disdain of me. …

“I could not even get into the car with him after that but walked around the town … for hours, contemplating suicide. I thought, ‘Why go on if this is all that my husband feels for me?’

“I did go on, but zipped a protective shield around myself. I existed for other reasons than my husband and found joy in my children, in projects and accomplishments that I could do totally on my own. …

“After his ‘deathbed confession’ and after taking time to search through my life, I said to him, ‘Don’t you know what you have done?’ … I told him I had brought a pure heart into our marriage, kept it pure during that marriage, and intended to keep it pure ever after. Why could he not do the same for me? All I ever wanted was to feel cherished and treated with the smallest of pleasantries … instead of being treated like some kind of chattel. …

“I am now left to grieve not only for his being gone but also for a relationship that could have been beautiful, but was not. …

“Please warn others. Pornography is not some titillating feast for the eyes that gives a momentary rush of excitement. It has the effect of damaging hearts and souls to their very depths, strangling the life out of relationships that should be sacred, hurting to the very core those you should love the most.”

And she signs the letter.


What a pathetic and tragic story. And what of her husband? He has died a painful death from cancer, his final words a confession of a life laced with sin.

And sin it is. It is devilish. It is totally inconsistent with the spirit of the gospel, with personal testimony of the things of God.

It arises from many sources and expresses itself in a variety of ways. Now it is compounded by the Internet. That Internet is available not only to adults but also to young people.

I recently read that pornography has become a $57 billion industry worldwide. Twelve billion of this is derived in the United States by evil and “conspiring men” who seek riches at the expense of the gullible. It is reported that it produces more revenue in the United States than the “combined revenues of all professional football, baseball and basketball franchises or the combined revenues of ABC, CBS, and NBC” (“Internet Pornography Statistics: 2003,” Internet, http://www.healthymind.com/5-port-stats.html).

It robs the workplace of the time and talents of employees. “20% of men admit accessing pornography at work. 13% of women [do so]. … 10% of adults admit having internet sexual addiction” (“Internet Pornography Statistics: 2003"). That is their admission, but actually the number may be much higher.

The National Coalition for the Protection of Children and Families states that “approximately 40 million people in the United States are sexually involved with the Internet. …

“One in five children ages 10–17 [has] received a sexual solicitation over the Internet. …

“Three million of the visitors to adult websites in September 2000 were age 17 or younger. …

“Sex is the number 1 topic searched on the Internet” (NCPCE Online, “Current Statistics,” Internet, http://www.nationalcoalition.org/stat.html).

I might go on, but you, too, know enough of the seriousness of the problem. Suffice it to say that all who are involved become victims. Children are exploited, and their lives are severely damaged. The minds of youth become warped with false concepts. Continued exposure leads to addiction that is almost impossible to break. Men, so very many, find they cannot leave it alone. Their energies and their interests are consumed in their dead-end pursuit of this raw and sleazy fare.

The excuse is given that it is hard to avoid, that it is right at our fingertips and there is no escape.

Suppose a storm is raging and the winds howl and the snow swirls about you. You find yourself unable to stop it. But you can dress properly and seek shelter, and the storm will have no effect upon you.

Likewise, even though the Internet is saturated with sleazy material, you do not have to watch it. You can retreat to the shelter of the gospel and its teaching of cleanliness and virtue and purity of life.

I know that I am speaking directly and plainly. I do so because the Internet has made pornography more widely accessible, adding to what is available on DVDs and videos, on television and magazine stands. It leads to fantasies that are destructive of self-respect. It leads to illicit relationships, often to disease, and to abusive criminal activity.


We can do better than this.

The high road of decency, of self-discipline, of wholesome living is the road for people, both young and old.

Now the time has come for any one of us who is so involved to pull himself out of the mire, to stand above this evil thing.

We do not have to view salacious magazines.

We do not have to read books laden with smut.

We do not have to watch television that is beneath wholesome standards.

We do not have to rent movies that depict that which is filthy.

We do not have to sit at the computer and play with pornographic material found on the Internet.

I repeat, we can do better than this.

We must do better than this.

If necessary, seek the counsel of caring professionals.

Let any who may be in the grip of this vise get upon their knees in the privacy of their closet and plead with the Lord for help to free them from this evil monster.

If we are involved in such behavior, now is the time to change. Let this be our hour of resolution. Let us turn about to a better way.
I don't believe that pornography is "sin".
I dont' believe in your devil, or your god for that matter.
Your religious beliefs have no place in making laws.
Porn is legal, deal with it or move to Iran.

Ugh, mormons...

What? Did we do something to you?

It is a serious problem. It grows increasingly worse. It is like a raging storm, destroying individuals and families, utterly ruining what was once wholesome and beautiful. Pornography in all of its manifestations.

Also from the same religious website (http://www.lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,49-1-479-20,00.html)
:rolleyes:

I don't believe that pornography is "sin".
I dont' believe in your devil, or your god for that matter.
Your religious beliefs have no place in making laws.
Porn is legal, deal with it or move to Iran.

No. I'm staying in the United States, and we (the anti-porn camp) and going to beat the living daylights out of the entire porn industry ring.

And we will win.

No. I'm staying in the United States, and we (the anti-porn camp) and going to beat the living daylights out of the entire porn industry ring.

And we will win.

Yeah, good luck with that. *goes back to looking at porn*

:upyours:

NOT IF I KILL YOU FIRST, DAMMIT!:mad:

You're welcome to try, but I'm willing to die or kill to defend free speech.

Yeah, good luck with that. *goes back to looking at porn*

*Sarcastically* Thank you for well wishes.

*turns and coughs* perv.

Yes it is. Modified, of course.

Very good.

Awww, why thank you. Do I get a cookie now for finding it?

Looking at this Thread...words fail me. this is unbeliveble what are you peapole!? :eek:

This boy is a piece of sh*t and should NEVER be free to walk the streets again. I feel terrible sorrow for the young innocent girls involved and their families.

The 15 year old rapist needs life in prison. He's too much of a mess to be alowed access to potential victims ever again.

As "cruel" as this may sound, he needs to be dead. A pedophile, child molester, rapist, or sex offender is not reachable once they commit the act. If you catch them in the porn stage, thought stage, etc..., they can be helped. And it doesn't matter what age they are.

But once they carry it out, they are forever shut because that is the act that seals them into being a pedophile.

whoaaaa

they can be reached, and put in a work camp
dosent make any sense to jsut kill him, theres lots of work-years in him

Ain't taking him serusly though

The entire porn industry needs to be shut down.

The sleazy, evil, wicked, horrid men who peddle and make this damning material should be shot

This society need to declare WAR on the porn industry, especially the CHILD PORN industry.

It makes me mad everytime I think about it. DAMN EVERY LAST CHILD MOLESTER THAT EVERY LIVED!
We need to declare war on those who would limit our freedom as well as those involved in child porn. Both groups of people should be fed into wood chippers feet first and slowly.

Niaman what a fuck are you!? the evil prestes of the white-house? uy uy you americans :headbang: poor fellas raised with facist propaganda.. "declare war" bringing you democracy werther you want it or not even tough we are one of the last dictatorships in the world and who belives that voilence is always the best solution. youve probobly violated more UN outlines than any other nation..


the list could be made longer you guys.. you cant be true facists facists facists hail hitler to you all;) kill a mentally il 15 year old boy becouse of a rape? put him on a life time in jail this guy needs doctors if hi is ever to be healthy agien. He should be put in a mental institution

And to illigelize porn becouse it makes peaple voilent!? thats absurd maybe you should first illigalize somthing that probobly kills a bit more peapole like.. GUNS!!! mines.. G.W.Bush voilent games and movies... I seriusly dont think that porn is a very big problem compared to those.. as somone here said its just peapole screwing infront of a camera

final words facists facists facists religious facists

You're welcome to try, but I'm willing to die or kill to defend free speech.

So am I.

Porn ain't protected by free speech. I can ban all the porn I want.

No. I'm staying in the United States, and we (the anti-porn camp) and going to beat the living daylights out of the entire porn industry ring.

And we will win.
Delusional much? If you do win, what's next? Banning Harry Potter because of the risks associated with the supernatural? If you people win the US will BECOME Iran.

What? Did we do something to you?

Yes, you did. You disturbed me during dinner peddling your magical underwear and crazy ideas that Native Americans are descendants of Hebrews, something which has been proved scientifically false. Oh, and you have a knack to want to push your religion on others through laws and think you should be able to take my porn away.

Looking at this Thread...words fail me. this is unbeliveble what are you peapole!? :eek:





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Ain't taking him serusly though




Niaman what a fuck are you!? the evil prestes of the white-house? uy uy you americans :headbang: poor fellas raised with facist propaganda.. "declare war" bringing you democracy werther you want it or not even tough we are one of the last dictatorships in the world and who belives that voilence is always the best solution. youve probobly violated more UN outlines than any other nation..


the list could be made longer you guys.. you cant be true facists facists facists hail hitler to you all;) kill a mentally il 15 year old boy becouse of a rape? put him on a life time in jail this guy needs doctors if hi is ever to be healthy agien. He should be put in a mental institution

And to illigelize porn becouse it makes peaple voilent!? thats absurd maybe you should first illigalize somthing that probobly kills a bit more peapole like.. GUNS!!! mines.. G.W.Bush voilent games and movies... I seriusly dont think that porn is a very big problem compared to those.. as somone here said its just peapole screwing infront of a camera

final words facists facists facists religious facists

And we can see your intelligence by your 'flair' for 'creative spelling'.

Yes, you did. You disturbed me during dinner peddling your magical underwear and crazy ideas that Native Americans are descendants of Hebrews, something which has been proved scientifically false. Oh, and you have a knack to want to push your religion on others through laws and think you should be able to take my porn away.

Sorry you feel that way...NOT

Yes, you did. You disturbed me during dinner peddling your magical underwear and crazy ideas that Native Americans are descendants of Hebrews, something which has been proved scientifically false. Oh, and you have a knack to want to push your religion on others through laws and think you should be able to take my porn away.

:fluffle:

They are rather pushy, and it does get annoying, but I look at as just what it is. Religion.

What about religion isn't pushy and annoying?

Delusional much? If you do win, what's next? Banning Harry Potter because of the risks associated with the supernatural? If you people win the US will BECOME Iran.

No. I happen to like Harry Potter. I have no plans to become Iranian.

Are you seriously telling me that I have to ring up BBC Radio News and ask them to send me a certificate telling me what they've been broadcasting in order for it to become a 'fact' rather than 'my opinion?'
thanks, will listen to it when I have the time.

and no, the point is by posting something to back your statements (especially when it's not mentioned in the artical posted) will make your 'opinions' a little more fact baised. your OP did make the comment on Violent Porn sound more "opinionated" than "something you heard." just an FYI. that's all. :)

Yes, you did. You disturbed me during dinner peddling your magical underwear and crazy ideas that Native Americans are descendants of Hebrews, something which has been proved scientifically false. Oh, and you have a knack to want to push your religion on others through laws and think you should be able to take my porn away.

I can't believe I'm agreeing on something with FASS.

Oh, and no offence, Mormon dude, but when the cosmos were handing out religions, you must have drawn one of the short straws.

:fluffle:

They are rather pushy, and it does get annoying.

Yes, we can be VERY pushy. And we can be VERY annoying.:D

Yes, we can be VERY pushy. And we can be VERY annoying.:D

Meh. I dated a Mormon boy once. It didn't take him long to see the light ;)

Such a harlot I am! Haha.

Looking at this Thread...words fail me. this is unbeliveble what are you peapole!? :eek:





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Ain't taking him serusly though




Niaman what a fuck are you!? the evil prestes of the white-house? uy uy you americans :headbang: poor fellas raised with facist propaganda.. "declare war" bringing you democracy werther you want it or not even tough we are one of the last dictatorships in the world and who belives that voilence is always the best solution. youve probobly violated more UN outlines than any other nation..


the list could be made longer you guys.. you cant be true facists facists facists hail hitler to you all;) kill a mentally il 15 year old boy becouse of a rape? put him on a life time in jail this guy needs doctors if hi is ever to be healthy agien. He should be put in a mental institution

And to illigelize porn becouse it makes peaple voilent!? thats absurd maybe you should first illigalize somthing that probobly kills a bit more peapole like.. GUNS!!! mines.. G.W.Bush voilent games and movies... I seriusly dont think that porn is a very big problem compared to those.. as somone here said its just peapole screwing infront of a camera

final words facists facists facists religious facists
What's so bad about fascism? It's the best form of government ever according to my mother. She loved Mussolini every time I visit her she says something along the lines of "Italy would be as prosperous as America if Mussolini wasn't killed".

No. I'm staying in the United States, and we (the anti-porn camp) and going to beat the living daylights out of the entire porn industry ring.

And we will win.
I think you'ld find that most of the Porn industry wants people to "beat" something...

what however, differs on opinion. :D

I can't believe I'm agreeing on something with FASS.

Oh, and no offence, Mormon dude, but when the cosmos were handing out religions, you must have drawn one of the short straws.
me too...

something's not right here... <.< >.>

Sorry you feel that way...NOT

Such a salient comeback. You like, said something, and then like totally went "not."

If that's what Mormon debate schools teach you, no wonder you're such poor proselytes. I mean, magical underwear, come on! And a prophet that goes "God gave me these tablets!!! But, umm, you can't see them, because I like lost them. Ooops! My bad, yo." And really, how do you explain that DNA proves that your claims that Native Americans are descendants of Hebrews wrong?

Eh, what can I say. We're just eccentric!:D

So am I.

Porn ain't protected by free speech. I can ban all the porn I want.

Porn is protected.

If you don't want to watch porn, don't buy it. If you don't want to be in porn, don't be in porn. However, there's no reason I should have to let your screwball religious fundementalism interfere with my enjoyment of adult entertainment.

Your rights end where mine begin.

Porn is protected.

If you don't want to watch porn, don't buy it. If you don't want to be in porn, don't be in porn. However, there's no reason I should have to let your screwball religious fundementalism interfere with my enjoyment of adult entertainment.

Your rights end where mine begin.

Shut up and go home. Don't you have some porn you're supposed to be whackin' off to?

What's so bad about fascism? It's the best form of government ever according to my mother. She loved Mussolini every time I visit her she says something along the lines of "Italy would be as prosperous as America if Mussolini wasn't killed".

Yeah, my father says stuff like that about Hitler. They didn't support the Holocaust, but many of the domestic policies were quite good, I hear.

Will you show me the light, too, please? :D

And me! ^(^_^)^

Shut up and go home. Don't you have some porn you're supposed to be whackin' off to?

You do realise that, in all likelyhood, he IS at home? AND whacking off to porn?

Shut up and go home. Don't you have some porn you're supposed to be whackin' off to?

He's probably home right now....and with another window open, he could be multi-tasking.

I could show you the light, however, it hurts and can be very blinding.;)

Shut up and go home.

Such rapier wit, and cunning debating.

Shut up and go home. Don't you have some porn you're supposed to be whackin' off to?
Serious questions here.

You don't buy porn, so what do you beat your meat to?

Do you pray for forgiveness every time you're done spankin' it?

Don't you think it would be alot easier to just cut out the guilt and spank it on your own terms, rather than obsessing over the rules laid out by people who can't even show you proof that there is a god, much less that jerking off offends him?

And me! ^(^_^)^

Dit! >_<

Serious questions here.

You don't buy porn, so what do you beat your meat to?

Do you pray for forgiveness every time you're done spankin' it?

Don't you think it would be alot easier to just cut out the guilt and spank it on your own terms, rather than obsessing over the rules laid out by people who can't even show you proof that there is a god, much less that jerking off offends him?

Quite frankly, I don't masturbate. Once upon a time, I had a problem with it. But, I'm on a four year clean streak that will last eternally.

OK, porn should be more restricted. A site that gives a warning on the front page, with a button saying click to enter only if you're over 18 doesn't work, kids lie you know. I don't believe that watching violence leads to violence, there has to be some predisposition to violence before hand, so the whole raping girls because you saw it on a website isn't an excuse I'd accept. I've got two brothers who play violent video games and have NEVER caused harm to ANYONE and never would, not because of how they were raised, but because of their basic temperaments (which are ingrained, not taught).

I disagree with unsolicitated porn being sent to my email address. I especially disagree with graphic pictures displaying incest, rape and beatings to my email address, as I find these pictures most distressing. If other people want to watch someone crapping on their partner, or sucking someone elses toes, or even (scraping the bottom of the barrel here people) having their way with the farmyard animals, it's their choice, I really don't care, and really don't want to know. But ban sites from spamming people, God knows it's easy enough to find porn if you really want it.

thank you niam i hapen to be a swede and ive learnd your laungish only in practical

I could show you the light, however, it hurts and can be very blinding.;)
It's not nice to mace girls prior to sex.

I must say one thing here, "Once a sex offender, always a sex offender." What makes the court think that with a little bit of mental treatment this kid will get better? It doesn't work on adults, how could it possibly work on a child that far gone into warped insanity. Especially when he's at the rebelious teenager age where none of us want to listen to our parents, let alone a pyschiatrist who we don't want to visit in the first place. That kid needs to be locked up for life.

I have one other treatment/punishment for male sex offenders...it wouldn't work on women. Guys I'm sorry, I know this will be painful and a horrible idea but i truely believe it is a just punishment.

Take the offender out to a seclued cabin in the woods. Nail his balls to the floor and give him a dull rusty knife. Then go outside, douse the cabin in gasoline, and set it ablaze. He either cuts off his own nuts or dies in the fire...either way it solves the problem

Stupid f*ck of a kid. What the hell where his parents doing while he was turning into such a warped son of a bitch?

I could show you the light, however, it hurts and can be very blinding.;)

Is this a Mormon pick up line????? :eek:

Quite frankly, I don't masturbate. Once upon a time, I had a problem with it. But, I'm on a four year clean streak that will last eternally.
Now I'd say that's a problem. Probably that's why you're so obsessive about ruining everyone else's fun.

Dit! >_<

Didn't get the nickname Ditto for nothing. :P

I must say one thing here, "Once a sex offender, always a sex offender." What makes the court think that with a little bit of mental treatment this kid will get better? It doesn't work on adults, how could it possibly work on a child that far gone into warped insanity. Especially when he's at the rebelious teenager age where none of us want to listen to our parents, let alone a pyschiatrist who we don't want to visit in the first place. That kid needs to be locked up for life.

I have one other treatment/punishment for male sex offenders...it wouldn't work on women. Guys I'm sorry, I know this will be painful and a horrible idea but i truely believe it is a just punishment.

Take the offender out to a seclued cabin in the woods. Nail his balls to the floor and give him a dull rusty knife. Then go outside, douse the cabin in gasoline, and set it ablaze. He either cuts off his own nuts or dies in the fire...either way it solves the problem

Stupid f*ck of a kid. What the hell where his parents doing while he was turning into such a warped son of a bitch?

Amen. FINALLY someone with their head screwed on straight!

Quite frankly, I don't masturbate. Once upon a time, I had a problem with it. But, I'm on a four year clean streak that will last eternally.

Not if the Hindus are right, mate. If reincarnation is real, you'e coming back as Tommy Salami, pornstar extraordinaire!

Is this a Mormon pick up line????? :eek:

No.

Amen. FINALLY someone with their head screwed on straight!

Ever notice how when you flip over a picture, then stand on your head, it looks normal?

No.

You should add it in as one, its fantastic. Haha

I must say one thing here, "Once a sex offender, always a sex offender." What makes the court think that with a little bit of mental treatment this kid will get better? It doesn't work on adults, how could it possibly work on a child that far gone into warped insanity. Especially when he's at the rebelious teenager age where none of us want to listen to our parents, let alone a pyschiatrist who we don't want to visit in the first place. That kid needs to be locked up for life.

I have one other treatment/punishment for male sex offenders...it wouldn't work on women. Guys I'm sorry, I know this will be painful and a horrible idea but i truely believe it is a just punishment.

Take the offender out to a seclued cabin in the woods. Nail his balls to the floor and give him a dull rusty knife. Then go outside, douse the cabin in gasoline, and set it ablaze. He either cuts off his own nuts or dies in the fire...either way it solves the problem

Stupid f*ck of a kid. What the hell where his parents doing while he was turning into such a warped son of a bitch?

Well done, you've just demonstrated your ignorance on a web forum!

1. Rehabilitation can and does work.

2. Castration will not stop sex crimes because they are not motivated by libido, they are motivated by a desire to have control over another human being.

Shut up and go home. Don't you have some porn you're supposed to be whackin' off to?

Maybe later, right now is drug and Satanic music time.

You should try wanking sometime, you might calm down and bit. :fluffle:

Not if the Hindus are right, mate. If reincarnation is real, you'e coming back as Tommy Salami, pornstar extraordinaire!
But that's what I wanted to come back as!

*whines and pouts*

So, the kid who went out and raped the girls was addicted to violent porn... This means we should immediately BAN all violent porn, because it must've been the porn addiction that CAUSED him to do it, right?

WRONG! This is the same argument as the gun issue. "Porn doesn't rape people, PEOPLE rape people."

The fact is, he had an affinity for the violent porn BECAUSE of his mental state. His brain told him what he preferred and I'm assuming he sought it out online. It wasn't the porn that warped his mind and made him decide to rape girls.

There were rapists long before there was porn or the internet. It is a potential rapist who may be drawn to that sort of violent material and he probably would have been fantasizing about it, writing about it, incorporating it into artwork, practicing it on small animals, etc, had he never had access to the porn.

But, I also suspect there are a great deal of people who prefer viloent porn and violent sex who would never, ever consider going out and raping someone.

Should minors have easy access to that type of material? I don't know, probably not. But, placing religious taboos and society's traditional influence aside, from a scientific standpoint, part of me wants to suggest that if they're old enough to have sexual feelings, then they're old enough to start shaping their preferences and to seek out what they're attracted to. That seems like it would be the most healthy thing to do from a purely biological view. But I'm sure that way of thinking is frowned upon by most people.

It's interesting in this society that a person's sexual maturity is largely measured by how much education they have (what grade of school they're in), rather than by the actual physical development of the person.

In ancient cultures, (including the one chronicled in the Bible... listen up Christian fundamentalists), around the age of twelve is when a child was considered an adult (and still is by traditional Jewish standards), they were sometimes even married off at that age. Couple this with the fact that (like many animals) our bodies are designed for the sole purpose of reproduction.

In today's society, it's eighteen you're considered an adult in most places. Think about it. That's six years (or more) of mental stifling and physical repression. Add on the pressure and stigma surrounding masturbation and premarital sex while the body's chemicals are mercilessly driving forward the most basic, most carnal instinct, the need to reproduce, and you suddenly begin to create a powder keg in the Human mind.

And if sexual development has as much to do with the person we become as an adult, as Frued would have us beleive, then is it any wonder why so many kids grow up to be on medication for various mental and physical ailments related to depression and development issues?

For someone like the boy mentioned above, if he is genetically predisposed to violence, then all of these factors are stirred into a toxic soup of brain chemicals just waiting to explode. It can easily and so often prove to be damaging or even fatal. Not only to him, but especially to his victims.

The answer is not banning the pornography. For all we know, it served to delay his violent actions by providing an outlet for his tendencies.

Just something to think about.

--Eccoland

Well done, you've just demonstrated your ignorance on a web forum!

1. Rehabilitation can and does work.

2. Castration will not stop sex crimes because they are not motivated by libido, they are motivated by a desire to have control over another human being.
1) Not according to Andrew Vachss.

http://www.vachss.com/av_dispatches/disp_9301_a.html

2) That's why they need life in prison.

Dear God.... KILL ME NOW! I'm sick of having to argue with stupid people! Just take me now!:headbang:

But that's what I wanted to come back as!

*whines and pouts*

Wanna trade?:rolleyes:

Dear God.... KILL ME NOW! I'm sick of having to argue with stupid people! Just take me now!:headbang:
If he doesn't kill you now will you admit that he doesn't exist?

Dear God.... KILL ME NOW! I'm sick of having to argue with stupid people! Just take me now!:headbang:

Hang around NS as long as me and you'll learn to only post it topics that:

A) You can win

and

B) You're not that interested in

1) Not according to Andrew Vachss.

http://www.vachss.com/av_dispatches/disp_9301_a.html

I believe you'll find that he's in a minority, a few criminals of any type may be uncurable but that doesn't speak for the vast majority.

Wanna trade?:rolleyes:
Fuck yeah! The last online quiz I took on the subject of reincarnation said I was coming back as a dog.

I'm sick of having to argue with stupid people!

Oh, the irony.

Hang around NS as long as me and you'll learn to only post it topics that:

A) You can win

and

B) You're not that interested in

I'm a slow learner.

I believe you'll find that he's in a minority, a few criminals of any type may be uncurable but that doesn't speak for the vast majority.
I'd be interested in seeing statistics on rehabilitation for sexual predators.

What? Did we do something to you?
You arn't allowed to have caffeine, why should we give a rat's ass about your view of porn?

I'd be interested in seeing statistics on rehabilitation for sexual predators.

So would I. Successful rehabilitation, please. Not just some government certificate that says "Ok, you spent some time in rehab, now go molest more children."

Dear God.... KILL ME NOW! I'm sick of having to argue with stupid people! Just take me now!:headbang:

Do it yourself. :rolleyes:

Although, I make no promises of meeting any gods, visiting Valhalla, or reincarnation.

You arn't allowed to have caffeine, why should we give a rat's ass about your view of porn?

We are too allowed to have caffine. We'd die if we couldn't have that!:(

We just can't have coffee, and only God knows why right now.

So would I. Successful rehabilitation, please. Not just some government certificate that says "Ok, you spent some time in rehab, now go molest more children."
Yep. Numbers on what percentage of sexual criminals are rearrested for sex crimes would be nice. Not convicted, because criminals learn to cover their tracks with time and experience in the legal system, but re-arrested.

I think we can live without opposing ####. So shut up Niaman!::rolleyes:

I think we can live without opposing ####. So shut up Niaman!::rolleyes:

I claim my freedom of speech. I can blather all I want!!!:mad:

Freadom of speach ^^ :confused: but you want to phorbid porn?

I'm more frightened of people like The Niamin than the rapist kid. Religious fanatics and their ilk have done far more destructive things to society as a whole throughout history than a few isolated rapists, or even serial killers.

Freadom of speach ^^ :confused: but you want to phorbid porn?

Porn ain't free speech. Just blatant destructive filth. It should be illegal, same as rape, murder, treason, drugs, and all that other crap.

I'm more frightened of people like The Niamin than the rapist kid. Religious fanatics and their ilk have done far more destructive things to society as a whole throughout history than a few isolated rapists, or even serial killers.

Then leave my country. Go live in France or somewhere where they ban religion. Better yet, go to the Middle East. You won't find radical Christians there.

4 years for 4 counts of rape? There's justice!

:: sarcasm ::

Christian fanatics, Muslim fanatics....aren't they all the same?

And hey, Pal... Don't forget, it's my country too. I pay my taxes just the same as you.

I claim my freedom of speech. I can blather all I want!!!:mad:
OT Check out this info on Harry Potter from a christian point of view.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=398539

not that this has somthing to do with anything byt i am curius niam what i your opinion with same sex marriges and do you usaly judge if peapole are good or bad by their abilyti to write and speak english? what is that a by god given laungish? quting the bible "the foolish crys out his ignorance while the wise keeps silenced his wisdom"

Porn ain't free speech. Just blatant destructive filth. It should be illegal, same as rape, murder, treason, drugs, and all that other crap.

Drugs should be legal and regulated too.

Why do you hate freedom?

Porn ain't free speech. Just blatant destructive filth. It should be illegal, same as rape, murder, treason, drugs, and all that other crap.
I guess cigarettes, alcohol, and dangerous sports should be banned too. They're more dangerous than porn.

People like the Niamin hate freedom because they're afraid. They're afraid you might have the freedom to not pray to Jesus.

If no one prayed to Jesus, their churches wouldn't have any money. Without money, they'd have no political influence. THEN where would they be?

not that this has somthing to do with anything byt i am curius niam what i your opinion with same sex marriges and do you usaly judge if peapole are good or bad by their abilyti to write and speak english? what is that a by god given laungish? quting the bible "the foolish crys out his ignorance while the wise keeps silenced his wisdom"

Gay Marriage= Utterly Opposed

Good or Bad based on English Speaking abilities= No. There are plenty of non-English speaking people or half-English speakers who are wonderful people. We just sometimes get, excuse the pun, "lost in translation".

And that's not in the Bible, as far as I'm aware. It's just a saying.

I guess cigarettes, alcohol, and dangerous sports should be banned too. They're more dangerous than porn.

No they're not.

Porn is 1000x destructive, and will prove the downfall of the United States.

Which I guess, isn't bad if you aren't American.

And I don't hate freedom. I value liberty with all my heart. Pornography, however, will destroy freedom and liberty. You may not see that yet, but it is happening.

no thats in the bible the old jewish one

I'm a slow learner.

Obviously. :rolleyes:

No they're not.

Porn is 1000x destructive, and will prove the downfall of the United States.

Which I guess, isn't bad if you aren't American.
Hmm, so porn causes more cancer than cigarettes, more auto accidents than alcohol and more broken bones than dangerous sports. Interesting. So what are you smoking right now?

No they're not.

Porn is 1000x destructive, and will prove the downfall of the United States.

Which I guess, isn't bad if you aren't American.

And I don't hate freedom. I value liberty with all my heart. Pornography, however, will destroy freedom and liberty. You may not see that yet, but it is happening.

What about porn that is outside of the US... or is the rest of the world safe to continue it's debauchery?

You seem to hate my freedom to videotape doing the bad thing, or to watch videos of other people doing the same, you hate my freedom to decide what to put into my body, I'm sure in time we'll find more freedoms you hate.

no thats in the bible the old jewish one

The Torah?:confused:

What about porn that is outside of the US... or is the rest of the world safe to continue it's debauchery?

No. It's destructive wherever it goes.

But I'm determined to keep it out of at least my country.

And how is porn going to destroy freedom and liberty?

Wasn't it you who was suggesting that all porn should be banned? I've got news for you, that's the opposite of liberty, buddy. No matter what country you live in. No matter what God you pray to.

No. It's destructive wherever it goes.

But I'm determined to keep it out of at least my country.
So did you check out the info on Harry Potter from a Christian point of view that I posted earlier in this thread? It's much more destructive than porn.

So did you check out the info on Harry Potter from a Christian point of view that I posted earlier in this thread? It's much more destructive than porn.

Ok, that's just pathetic.:headbang:

Ok, that's just pathetic.:headbang:
Right, so it's pathetic when someone attacks something you like, but you feel free to be pathetic in other's eyes by attacking their entertainment. There's this little thing in the bible that goes "And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?".

I should put out a red letter compilation of all of my quotes and call it the gospel of drunk commies.

Niamin, if you're a Christian, then you believe that ALL THINGS were created by God and work through God for the greater good. So, why are you guys always taking it upon yourselves to get involved in political issues? To BAN this, that and the other?

If Man has free will. And God is in control of all things. And all things are working for the greater good... Then doesn't even porn (no matter how "horrible") have SOME part to play in the grand scheme of things?

And why is it up to you to stop it? Unless you're acting on God's behalf, and if you are, then why would you need to?

Niamin, if you're a Christian, then you believe that ALL THINGS were created by God and work through God for the greater good. So, why are you guys always taking it upon yourselves to get involved in political issues? To BAN this, that and the other?

If Man has free will. And God is in control of all things. And all things are working for the greater good... Then doesn't even porn (no matter how "horrible") have SOME part to play in the grand scheme of things?

And why is it up to you to stop it? Unless you're acting on God's behalf, and if you are, then why would you need to?

It's true. God loves porn.

And I don't hate freedom. I value liberty with all my heart. Pornography, however, will destroy freedom and liberty. You may not see that yet, but it is happening.

Actually pornography is helping the fight for freedom in the Middle East, the morality police are fighting a losing battle against porn in many areas and young people are becoming more liberal because of it.

Masturbate for freedom!!! :p

It's true. God loves porn.
Midget foot fetish and squash porn to be precise.

No, sadly, they can't be reached. And I don't want them soaking up society's tax money to rot in prison.

They can just as easily rot in the ground.
I meant as in put them in the gulag, they can build roads, and die of exaustion

why do you americans try to force freedom on other peapole.. not better than stalin he also tryed to spread communism werther the peapole in question wanted it or not

why do you americans try to force freedom on other peapole.. not better than stalin he also tryed to spread communism werther the peapole in question wanted it or not
Yay! We're like Stalin!

Is there a law that causes you to automatically lose an argument if you compare someone to Stalin? Kind of like a Communist Godwin's law or something.

well i thought that there where a common opinion that he was not a very good man and that americans overall thinks communsim aint a very good thing.. so very not a good thing that its worth killing a couple of million peapole to get rid of a litlle part of it

well i thought that there where a common opinion that he was not a very good man and that americans overall thinks communsim aint a very good thing.. so very not a good thing that its worth killing a couple of million peapole to get rid of a litlle part of it
I think I understand what you're getting at.

Good point, Paaax. But I think we force it on other people because the religious fanatics in our country elected a nut who pretended to be a religious fanatic and has now proven to not only be slightly retarded, but also a self-righteous, not-so-clear-on-the-facts outright aggressor who in fact has no regard for anyone's religious values and is only furthering the financial agenda of his constituents.

But, it's also freedom which gives me the right to say that and not be hauled off to prison.

For the love of "God", let's hope he doesn't find a way to screw that up too.

But that's way off-topic. Isn't it?

Yay! We're like Stalin!

Is there a law that causes you to automatically lose an argument if you compare someone to Stalin? Kind of like a Communist Godwin's law or something.

Maybe there should be, we could call it 'Drunk Commie's Law' in your honour. ;)

Maybe there should be, we could call it 'Drunk Commie's Law' in your honour. ;)
They already have one of those in my state. It restricts known troublemakers from being within 1000 yards of a titty bar while carrying a jar of honey and an ant farm.

But, it's also freedom which gives me the right to say that and not be hauled off to prison
Offcource i dont men to offend the american peapole its just your foreign policys are so fucked up and corrupt

Porn is essential sadly.

It keeps men undercontrol and women undercontrol with their urges! :P

Offcource i dont men to offend the american peapole its just your foreign policys are so fucked up and corrupt

Hey, no offense taken. I totally agree sometimes, Paaax. Especially when a leader (who an awful lot of people, including myself, DIDN'T vote for) comes in and starts twisting and polluting the original intentions of the people who created this country, and adopts aggressive policies toward the rest of the world.

It's an interesting thing, democracy. Especially a capitalist democracy. It's possible for the people to have great power, but in the end, somehow it always comes back to who has the most money. They are the ones pulling the strings and setting policies, not the people.

And it's possible to sometimes feel very helpless as a citizen of a democracy.

Porn ain't free speech. Just blatant destructive filth. It should be illegal, same as rape, murder, treason, drugs, and all that other crap.

Anyone feeling the urge to link to a ytmnd about here

e.g http://forporn.ytmnd.com/

Hey, no offense taken. I totally agree sometimes, Paaax. Especially when a leader (who an awful lot of people, including myself, DIDN'T vote for) comes in and starts twisting and polluting the original intentions of the people who created this country, and adopts aggressive policies toward the rest of the world.

It's an interesting thing, democracy. Especially a capitalist democracy. It's possible for the people to have great power, but in the end, somehow it always comes back to who has the most money. They are the ones pulling the strings and setting policies, not the people.

And it's possible to sometimes feel very helpless as a citizen of a democracy.

That is true. Not to mention his approval rating among blacks was 2% after the hurricane... >.>

That is true. Not to mention his approval rating among blacks was 2% after the hurricane... >.>

Yeah, no kidding. For a guy who built his campaign on the platform that he would protect the American people, and constantly lauds his "might" at every turn... His administration couldn't even put together a decent relief effort for victims of a storm! How the hell is he going to protect us from our enemies? Ha! :upyours:

Not to mention, he turned down gracious offers of help from other countries, when the victims could have really used those supplies. The bastard.

That kind of thing makes a guy want to move to Australia.

A fifteen-year-old gets hooked on porn and than rapes three girls? Hm.

God giveth, and God taketh away.

Midget foot fetish and squash porn to be precise.

And don't forget, God gave us goatse and tubgirl, too. :D

I second this!
I third this! Or fourth or whatever...

Seriously, they should castrate him, then lock him up for the rest of his life...

Also, the girls should be free to beat him up whenever they please, as should their friends & family.

I third this! Or fourth or whatever...

Seriously, they should castrate him, then lock him up for the rest of his life...

Also, the girls should be free to beat him up whenever they please, as should their friends & family.

Definately....that's beyond rehab.

someone should beat you up bad

someone should beat you up bad
beat who up?

:upyours: you

someone should beat you up bad

You mean the kid. I agree to!

:upyours: you

Why! He has a good point! He can live a relatively normal life for taking what 8 girls, raping them and doing it as a 14-yo! EIGHT YEARS OLD!

no not the kid he should be put in a mental instituiton! not more pain hes only 15 fgs! Have you no compassion peapol!!???

Say that if someone raped you as a child of 8 or 10 and tramatizes you for life, would you want them to suffer or not?

imagine what a hell his life probobly have been i mean rape 8 girls his father must have been done that very same thing for a long period poor kid... cant be porns fualt you dont get that twisted with out a very horrific childhood

imagine what a hell his life probobly have been i mean rape 8 girls his father must have been done that very same thing for a long period poor kid... cant be porns fualt you dont get that twisted with out a very horrific childhood

I doubt his dad taught him how to rape little girls. >.> More like unabashed sexual lust.

revenge is not justice!!!!!!! "hatred is path to dark side young master" and its only selfish Nazists who take advantage of it

The victims' parents said they were pleased with the sentence and hoped the boy would get treatment to stop him offending again.

"Our lives were completely devastated last July. The innocence of our daughters was cruelly stolen from them by this sexual ordeal. They will never be the same," their statement said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4837210.stm
:confused: I wouldn't have been pleased.

no not the kid he should be put in a mental instituiton! not more pain hes only 15 fgs! Have you no compassion peapol!!???
Compassion for the victims? Yes. For the criminal? Nope. Sorry.

revenge is not justice!!!!!!! "hatred is path to dark side young master" and its only selfish Nazists who take advantage of it
True, revenge is not justice, but I don't believe that someone who does what that kid did can be rehabilitated, so he must be confined for life to prevent further crimes.

you are hopeless... born in the wrong century whre u? if a 15 year old kid rapes 8 7 yearold girls he must be very ill and oh fucking brat you dont solve workerclass problems with ah hi is a victim dont you see???

True, revenge is not justice, but I don't believe that someone who does what that kid did can be rehabilitated, so he must be confined for life to prevent further crimes."

why not?

you are hopeless... born in the wrong century whre u? if a 15 year old kid rapes 8 7 yearold girls he must be very ill and oh fucking brat you dont solve workerclass problems with ah hi is a victim dont you see???
He's a victim up until he rapes little kids. After that he's a threat that must be dealt with or else he'll destroy more lives.

why not?
http://www.vachss.com/av_dispatches/disp_9301_a.html

It's always blame the offender, never offere sympathy...do we ever try to figure out what lwad to this incident (abuse, mental problems, ect) no we label them a pervert, and attack them continously. We need to understand the cause and not the effect. yes what he did was bad, but we need sympathy for both the victems and the offenders.

It's always blame the offender, never offere sympathy...do we ever try to figure out what lwad to this incident (abuse, mental problems, ect) no we label them a pervert, and attack them continously. We need to understand the cause and not the effect. yes what he did was bad, but we need sympathy for both the victems and the offenders.

No, we don't. :upyours:

He was fucked up before the porn.

The offences happened near swings in Mandley Park, Salford, in July 2005. The court heard how the boy approached the girls as they played tag in a secluded area of the park.


Salford. Thats part of the problem right there. It's a horrible horrible place. (I'm not being nasty, I've lived there and I go to uni there, I know what it's like) Chances are this kid grew up on some estate, with parents that didn't care where he was, what he was doing etc. In no way am I excusing him, but had he grown up somewhere...well...nicer...this probably wouldn't have happened.


That doesn't quite get my point across but I'm very tired so it'll do for now

I'm not even going to front. That boy should NOT have done what he did with ANYONE. But...I do understand his mindset. This boy probably could have grown up in a home where it was ok for older people to have sex with younger ones. There are cults like that out there. Which, brings me to another statement: IF he had grown up that way, he could have easily gotten "in the mood" and ducked those little girls.

I doubt his dad taught him how to rape little girls. >.> More like unabashed sexual lust.
Umm, tehy guy could've been traumetized when he was younger.
It does not have to be his father, it could've been anyone.

Looking at this story...words fail me. How...why...what were his parents doing and how did he turn out like this...the fact that people walked by and didn't help...

It's not mentioned in the story I've posted below, but apparently this boy was 'addicted to violent pornography.' When things like this happen, is it right that these things are so easily accessible, especially to a teenager?


Boy who raped four girls detained
A 15-year-old boy who admitted raping four primary school girls has been sentenced to four years in a young offenders institution. The teenager, who admitted the attacks, was ordered by Manchester Crown Court to spend another five years on license after serving his custodial sentence.

He pleaded guilty to four counts of rape against a seven-year-old, two eight-year-olds and a 10-year-old.

The offences happened near swings in Mandley Park, Salford, in July 2005. The court heard how the boy approached the girls as they played tag in a secluded area of the park.

He suggested they play a game of dare with him.

The boy, who was 14 at the time of the attack, was arrested the following day. The judge refused to lift reporting restrictions to allow the media to name the youth.

Manchester Crown Court heard how one of the youngsters was ignored by passers-by as she cried for help. One girl described how her attacker threatened to kill her if she failed to agree to his demands. Another recounted how he said he would "leather them" if they tried to run away.

The teenager denied a further four sex offences, alleged to have happened in January, but they were ordered to lie on file.

The victims' parents said they were pleased with the sentence and hoped the boy would get treatment to stop him offending again.

"Our lives were completely devastated last July. The innocence of our daughters was cruelly stolen from them by this sexual ordeal. They will never be the same," their statement said.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4837210.stm

O.K. I may be "grave-digging", but I was searching for the word "Salford", and had to respond to this.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON who ignored the cries for help is just as responsible as the boy. To those people: YOU ARE ALL SICKENING CHILD RAPISTS. Try and argue against, or twist, this fact however you want, but the fact remains you allowed a rape to happen, and by ignoring it, you encouraged the boy to continue - knowing he wouldn't be stopped. You all encouraged it. You are all rapists.

Porn isnt the cause of this.

But the boy should be executed no questions asked. Pure and simple he needs to be eliminated from society. Piece's of shit like that need to be dead. It doesnt matter that hes 15. He should be killed. Brutally. Like he acts. We should let a couple bigger "bubba" type prisoners have their way with him. until he's dead.

Compassion for the victims? Yes. For the criminal? Nope. Sorry.

damn right.

Porn isnt the cause of this.

But the boy should be executed no questions asked. Pure and simple he needs to be eliminated from society. Piece's of shit like that need to be dead. It doesnt matter that hes 15. He should be killed. Brutally. Like he acts. We should let a couple bigger "bubba" type prisoners have their way with him. until he's dead.
That would be a little cruel...
while we're at it can we bring back public executions?

That would be a little cruel...
while we're at it can we bring back public executions?

yes.

yes.
I'll get the guillotine. :D

reports like that makes me wonder why the death penalty is not imposed. Kill this kid, and the next 14 year old addicted to violent porn may think twice.

Porn isnt the cause of this.

But the boy should be executed no questions asked. Pure and simple he needs to be eliminated from society. Piece's of shit like that need to be dead. It doesnt matter that hes 15. He should be killed. Brutally. Like he acts. We should let a couple bigger "bubba" type prisoners have their way with him. until he's dead.

Cute, you're pro raping 15 year old boys?

Rape is always wrong.

I think the sentence is right for the boy he's only 14 not even old enough to smoke how can he be responsible for such an act I think he just needs a good shrink and a normal enough life? (its weird how such a tragedy always turns people into violent monsters out to cause more harm)

And I’d say violent porn is more likely to release such tensions in the audience which is I guess its allure to the target audience though I'm just poking at shit here

I think the sentence is right for the boy he's only 14 not even old enough to smoke how can he be responsible for such an act I think he just needs a good shrink and a normal enough life? (its weird how such a tragedy always turns people into violent monsters out to cause more harm)

At 14, he knows it's wrong to seriously harm people. He is responsible, along with the people who ignored the cries for help. But two wrongs don't make a right - I don't believe killing him or having him raped is the answer. I do believe locking him up for a lot longer than five years is.

kinda funny in a creepy way

At 14, he knows it's wrong to seriously harm people. He is responsible, along with the people who ignored the cries for help. But two wrongs don't make a right - I don't believe killing him or having him raped is the answer. I do believe locking him up for a lot longer than five years is.
I'm pretty sure killing would be best

O.K. I may be "grave-digging", but I was searching for the word "Salford", and had to respond to this.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON who ignored the cries for help is just as responsible as the boy. To those people: YOU ARE ALL SICKENING CHILD RAPISTS. Try and argue against, or twist, this fact however you want, but the fact remains you allowed a rape to happen, and by ignoring it, you encouraged the boy to continue - knowing he wouldn't be stopped. You all encouraged it. You are all rapists.
the day i rape three young girls is the day i am responsible