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After brainstorming the idea here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=473815), the MLP and the UDCP have decided to form a United Front.

In practicality this means both parties still operate individually of the other, but in parliament MP's will be following UCF decisions. The UCF will also accept members, even if they do not belong to either party. The Front is a temporary organisation with stated goals. It exists to push capitalist society to it's very limits, thus making a transformation to socialism easier.

The current list of goals-

1) Disarming the police.
2) Stopping imperialist wars.
3) Nationalisation of first the key industries, then all of them.
4) Strengthening trade unions.
5) Abolishing immigration controls.
6) Increasing taxes on the rich.
7) Reducing taxes on the poor.
8) Providing universal free education up to and after university level. After this, private schools/universities to be taken over and run by the government.
9) Providing free health care to all citizens, followed by the nationalisation of all existing private hospitals/health care facilities.
10) Increase minimum wage to at least a living wage.
11) Cracking down on tax evasion by the rich

So, who's going to disarm the police?
And with what?
And then who's going to disarm the people that disarmed the police?
And then who's going to disarm the people that disarmed the people who disarmed the police?
And so on and so forth?

Or are we expecting that those people will just voluntarily yield their newfound power?

So, who's going to disarm the police?
And with what?
And then who's going to disarm the people that disarmed the police?
And then who's going to disarm the people that disarmed the people who disarmed the police?
And so on and so forth?

Or are we expecting that those people will just voluntarily yield their newfound power?

I'm an advocate of creating working-class self defence groups. Accountable police who don't protect the state, but protect the people

I'm an advocate of creating working-class self defence groups. Accountable police who don't protect the state, but protect the people

I'd rather see a system whereby local police chiefs are elected in recallable, nonpartisan elections.

However, how would these groups work? Would they be like part time police, with two jobs? Please expand.

However, this isn't the best place for this discussion. I think we need a separate forum for this kind of discussion.

I'm an advocate of creating working-class self defence groups. Accountable police who don't protect the state, but protect the people

Or.

Just get an international decommisioning body to do it.

And ask a retired Canadian General to head it. ;)

I'd rather see a system whereby local police chiefs are elected in recallable, nonpartisan elections.

I'd rather see an independent and unarmed police force defend the rights of the Constitution without political interference. But then again, I'm just crazy.

I'd rather see an independent and unarmed police force defend the rights of the Constitution without political interference. But then again, I'm just crazy.

How do people not get that the police are inherently political? They are there to protect the state. The state that represents the ruling class interests. They are employed to destroy workers' movements, unions, protests, and so on.

Also, how is the constitution not political- it lays out the framework for the rights of the American state.

Oh, goodie, more utopian fun.

We talked about how to disarm the police in some other thread, and I'd have to say the best way would be doing it the other way that you said. Instead of disarming the police for the big jobs like bank robberies or hostage situations and having elected militias doing it, it should be the other way around: leave the police for the professional jobs (at first) and train the militia to do the smaller things, like neighborhood watching, catching thieves, etc.

Of course, the police could just throw their guns in a ruddy great furnace.

6) Increasing taxes on the rich.
7) Reducing taxes on the poor.

I think this needs to be clarified.

When you reduce taxes for the poor, you basically say "instead of 0-1.000 being taxed 0%, we'll say 0-2.000 being taxed 0%" and when you increase taxes for the rich, you basically say "instead of 100.000-200.000 being taxed 60% it'll be taxed 70%"

Or at least, that's how the progressive tax system would work.

(ignoring the middle parts, it means that the rich actually do gain something, although they probably lose more)


Also, please note, a high-earner who gives all their money to charity isn't rich.

It would be more correct to say increase taxes for high-earners and increase minimum tax allowances.

Id like to join :D

How do people not get that the police are inherently political?
No they're not. Open your eyes beyond the American continent.


They are there to protect the state.
No, they are there to uphold the Constitution. (well, should be at any rate) That means protecting the rights of the individual and the laws therein.


The state that represents the ruling class interests. They are employed to destroy workers' movements, unions, protests, and so on.
Yeah, a century ago. Again, broaden your horizons beyond the American continent. There are plenty of examples out there if you look hard enough.

Also, how is the constitution not political- it lays out the framework for the rights of the American state.

Who said anything about the American state?

Sorry PM, but DHomme is right. The police are there for the protection of the state. Happens even in places like Ireland, which most people would view as a pretty liberal state - check out http://www.indymedia.ie for some information.

While the Gardaí and RDF are busy stopping sixty anarchists from protesting outside an aerodrome, they're letting US soldiers fly through Ireland daily on their way to war, which is in breach of Irish law (and international law if that war is illegal), not to mention the rendition flights. The Gardaí don't uphold the Constitution, they uphold the law and the personal agenda of our racist fascist Minister for Justice (just search on the internet or indymedia for Michael McDowell).
I doubt it's much different anywhere else, though the cops may be better at hiding it...