NationStates Jolt Archive

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Lockwoodnzflag-1-.gif

I really like it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Koruflag.jpg

That's not bad either.

Where's Gandalf?

I like the first one better, mainly because I don't like the color in the second.

If I ruled New Zealand, I'd just use Gondor's flag, but I'm a nerd like that.

What's wrong with New Zealand's current flag?

And I like the first MUCH better.

Simonist']What's wrong with New Zealand's current flag?

And I like the first MUCH better.

It's very similar to Australia's.

It's very similar to Australia's.
.....And?

Maybe I'm missing the sense of urgency here. I just don't see the dilemma, unless they're offended over people continually getting the two confused, what with one (two?) little star(s?) of a difference (if memory serves....but I could be thinking of another country, there are so very many).

If anybody should change their flag it's Australia!

If anybody should change their flag it's Australia!

We should both change our flags.

We should both change our flags.

Why don't you just switch flags, then?

What about this one:
http://tekiri.marketeer.co.nz/images/Store420/%7B740E37B3-E77B-4674-A9B8-2E9E7DF9FABB%7D.jpeg

Why don't you just switch flags, then?

Ah but there';s a subtle difference.... In new Zealand they can't see the middle star in the southern cross... therefore it is not included on their flag.... but in Australia we can... and so we have it on our flag...

Anyway... I think Australias flag should be green and gold with a boxing kangaroo!

What about this one:
http://tekiri.marketeer.co.nz/images/Store420/%7B740E37B3-E77B-4674-A9B8-2E9E7DF9FABB%7D.jpeg

Mmmmh... black-white-red - I like that combination...
*hides*

You Aussies have got these to choose from:
http://www.ausflag.com.au/ausflag/images/concepts.gif

Or we could go for this one. No other country has a black flag, so it'd be easily http://www.silverfernz.com/ProdImages/parrs/029Fp.jpgrecognisable:

Typically i'm very opposed to changing the flag however i really like that first flag...

Personally i don't believe we should change our flag unless we become a republic we have a lot of history tied up in our flag and as long as we maintain our current political system i believe it should stay.

As to why it should be changed:
http://www.whisperbrand.com/blog/i/union-jack-flags.gif
honestly, have you ever seen such an obvious display of 'can't be arsed thinking of a new flag, so I'll just do what my neighbours across the ditch are doing'?

New Zealands flag was made before australians, the union jack is there because we are a british colony.
Thre are heaps of flags like it.
Do we turn our backs on the people who died for that flag?
I think it's pretty.
the silver fern (to most countries) looks like a white feather on a black background (cowardise on grieving) the others are mainly maori, which is a minority ethnicity in NZ, it would be more appropriate to have Asian designs.

As to why it should be changed:
http://www.whisperbrand.com/blog/i/union-jack-flags.gif
honestly, have you ever seen such an obvious display of 'can't be arsed thinking of a new flag, so I'll just do what my neighbours across the ditch are doing'?

Yes. New Zealand has its own unique national identity now, so why shouldn't we come up with a more distinctive flag - something that better represents who we are?

All I can say - without the intent to insult, that is - all the "new" flags look a lot better than what Australia or New Zealand have right now! Go for it, make it fresh :D

Do we turn our backs on the people who died for that flag?

I don't think that we would be turning our backs on their memories though. It's important to remember that whilst they may have died under the flag, they died fighting for this country.

Make a flag, that shows our history, present and future, isn't race specific, and is aesthetically pleasing. Then I will support the change.

I think some one famous said something like "The future is the product of the present and the past." or something like that anyway. If no one famous said it I'm saying it now.

It is only in knowing where you came from that you can find the future.

We need to recognise our history (whether Australian or New Zealand) a big portion of that is related to English Colonialism. It is only right that we acknowledge such a big part of our history so we can move onto the future whether or not that means Republic or not.

(I'd still prefer to have it even if Australia did become a republic)

Make a flag, that shows our history, present and future, isn't race specific, and is aesthetically pleasing. Then I will support the change.
Why not ask for a foot massage while you're at it.

How the hell is anyone going to know exactly what you think represents NZ history and is aesthetically pleasing? Except yourself of course. So how 'bout you come up with a design that covers your qualifiers?

Also, any flag that truly represents NZ history is going to have to recognise and incorporate Maori designs and culture. Which means it'd have to have some race specific component. Otherwise it's not representative of NZ.

Mmmmh... black-white-red - I like that combination...
*hides*

Yeah, but that's the Maori flag. It'd be like using the Aboriginal flag in Australia.

And interestingly, if Aus used the Aboriginal flag and NZ used the Maori flag, both countries would be using German colours >_>

Why not ask for a foot massage while you're at it.

How the hell is anyone going to know exactly what you think represents NZ history and is aesthetically pleasing? Except yourself of course. So how 'bout you come up with a design that covers your qualifiers?


Finally, someone understands what I mean, everyone wont be happy with a change, and not everyone wants it to stay. So what can you do? people are trying for a majority vote/petition, but its not working because all the concepts so far, just aren't liked by enough people. There probably enough to get it changed, but without co-operation, they stand alone and unheard. It wont get changed until they can agree as to what it should be

I don't like all this flag-changing nonsense when it is really not in the name of any substantial progress. It's not like NZ or Aus or anyone else has had a revolution or anything. It smacks of an insecurity that I do not otherwise recognise in the mentioned nations.

I don't know why everyone's so keen to move either socially or symbolically further away from another group of people, especially in a relatively newly-global age. So Australia and New Zealand aren't administered in any degree from London, what's the point of actually making a statement about being somehow removed from Britons, all of a sudden? Far from moving apart, we ought to be going the opposite way... I plan to be on my way down under before the year's out, anyway.

I just don't see the benefit. Have a revolution, then change a flag, otherwise, I dunno, it seems a bit like a kid changing his surname just because he doesn't live with his parents anymore. Ouch! At least call us, Timmy! It's not Timmy, it's Bruce... Whitefeather, to you, mum!

...Yeah, I might just be bored, this morning :) Change the damn flag, I don't care. Damn resurgent nationalism.

Yeah, but that's the Maori flag. It'd be like using the Aboriginal flag in Australia.
As opposed to using the current Anglo-Western Colonialist flags, that is a problem how exactly?:confused:

And interestingly, if Aus used the Aboriginal flag and NZ used the Maori flag, both countries would be using German colours >_>
Er no, the colours are not 'German'. :confused:

They exist entirely independently of Germans/Germany, even if Germans/Germany do not exist entirely independently of them.;)

Personally I'd go with plain black - easy for young kindy-garden/primary school children to draw.

Mmmmh... black-white-red - I like that combination...
*hides*So do I, actually...

Er no, the colours are not 'German'. :confused:

They exist entirely independently of Germans/Germany, even if Germans/Germany do not exist entirely independently of them.;)



Nope, those colors are uniquely German. Germans, as a breed, have special color receptors in their eyes. What they see is vastly different than what other races can see. Those colors, specifically, are extremely German - you just can't see it.

They exist entirely independently of Germans/Germany, even if Germans/Germany do not exist entirely independently of them.;)

What? It's the same way red is a communist colour. B-R-Y and B-W-R are German colours.

I don't like all this flag-changing nonsense when it is really not in the name of any substantial progress. It's not like NZ or Aus or anyone else has had a revolution or anything. It smacks of an insecurity that I do not otherwise recognise in the mentioned nations.

I don't know why everyone's so keen to move either socially or symbolically further away from another group of people, especially in a relatively newly-global age. So Australia and New Zealand aren't administered in any degree from London, what's the point of actually making a statement about being somehow removed from Britons, all of a sudden? Far from moving apart, we ought to be going the opposite way... I plan to be on my way down under before the year's out, anyway.

I just don't see the benefit. Have a revolution, then change a flag, otherwise, I dunno, it seems a bit like a kid changing his surname just because he doesn't live with his parents anymore. Ouch! At least call us, Timmy! It's not Timmy, it's Bruce... Whitefeather, to you, mum!

The Union Jack canton flags are merely a flag representing Britain's possessions. We've moved past that now.

What? It's the same way red is a communist colour. B-R-Y and B-W-R are German colours.Bullshit.
Black Red Yellow were the regimental colors of the Lützowsche Freikorps that fought Napoleon during the Napoleonic Wars. That's where the colors came from. Nationalist students adopted the colors because they thought they were the colors of the Holy Roman Empire.
Black White Red is by no means a "German" color combination. It represents Prussia (black and white) and the Hanseatic League (Red and White) and hardly takes the rest of Germany into account.
Black White Red are also part of the Panarabic color scheme.

Ok, whatever you say.

The Union Jack canton flags are merely a flag representing Britain's possessions. We've moved past that now.

Yeah, thanks for that new information which I didn't have when I typed my original post =/

Yeah, thanks for that new information which I didn't have when I typed my original post =/

Well, they don't own us. I think we don't need their flag.

Besides, the Union Jack is a comprimise of England, Scotland and Ireland. We don't have any Scotlands here, so it's inappropriate.

It's very similar to Australia's.

New Zealand is Australia with a touch more Red. (teehee)

You Aussies have got these to choose from:
http://www.ausflag.com.au/ausflag/images/concepts.gif

Ugh.

http://www.users.bigpond.com/xmung/gallery_pics/designs/eureka.jpg

Eureka FTW.

or the flag I made up for NS would be even cooler, but eh.

Actually, now that I've actually seen it, I'm rather partial to the Silver Fern flag. The one with just the fern on a black backround. However, I think that the fern should be silver on it, not white. And I think it would be better if it looked like less of a stylized fern and more like a real one, much as I think Canada's maple leaf would look cooler if it was more realistic looking.

Anyway, I like the Silver Fern flag because it's so simple yet so distinct. New Zealand's sports teams already wear black, and the fern emblem was used as a motif for New Zealand as early as on the headstones of troops that died in WWI, at least according to the Flags of the World website.

Personally I'd go with plain black - easy for young kindy-garden/primary school children to draw.

Yeah! Black flag!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f0/Black_flag.jpg/180px-Black_flag.jpg

(You are aware of the political connotations, no? :p)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Lockwoodnzflag-1-.gif

I really like it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Koruflag.jpg

That's not bad either.

I really like the first one.

As for the Australian alternatives, most of those are quite good. Except the one with the Southern Cross alone. Ugh.

The others are quite nice and have a good deal of symbolism. I like the one at top left and the one that's yellow and gold mainly. But the others there are also fairly good. Now, why didn't they publicise THOSE ones (the one with just the Southern Cross was the one publicised in a large way).

If you're going to stick with the Southern Cross only, take the Eureka flag. At least it has some history.

I don't like all this flag-changing nonsense when it is really not in the name of any substantial progress. It's not like NZ or Aus or anyone else has had a revolution or anything. It smacks of an insecurity that I do not otherwise recognise in the mentioned nations.
Really? I think it smacks of insecurity that the two nations have to have flags that are based on another country's, and can't use one that properly reflects their ideals and culture.

Aussie should have a flag that truly represents their great contribution to world culture. One that showcases the greatest living Australian.
Yep. This should be Australia's flag:
http://www.pandas.currantbun.com/Rolf/pictures/ohead.jpg
Stand proud Australia, as you march 'neath the banner of Rolf!

You should also change your national anthem to 'tie me kangaroo down, sport'.

Here's Rolf showing the new Australian form of salute:
http://www.edinphoto.org.uk/0_f/0_festival_2005_00385_rolf_harris.jpg
notice the mud on the hands, to show a connection with the land.

Take a look at my sad, sad idea for an Australian flag:

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/626/ausflag2gg.png

The governor general would of course be replaced by the great wizard Rolf.
Here he is in his ceremonial robes:
http://www.paladin.demon.co.uk/Images/Rolf_harris.jpg

It's very similar to Australia's.
Actually Australia copied us (Or so i hear*shifty*)


Australia has more Australians so we win by default.

Damn Colonials, and these foolish notions of independence.

Things were different in my day, don't you know!

Yeah then we saved your butts in two World Wars!

Yeah then we saved your butts in two World Wars!
lol, everyone claims to have 'saved' us in the World Wars.

But you're British - so you couldn't save us, you just did your duty for your motherland!

Yeah then we saved your butts in two World Wars!
Aha, due in no small part to both weet-bix and the keeness of our men!

That first flag is real cool.
I'm sick of our current flag. It doesn't represent shit.

That first flag is real cool.
I'm sick of our current flag. It doesn't represent shit.
This does though:
http://www.alsoftware.com.br/adrianpage/parodius/manual/turd.gif

lol, everyone claims to have 'saved' us in the World Wars.

But you're British - so you couldn't save us, you just did your duty for your motherland!

Australian's, New Zealander's and Brit's are all the same, except for the accent, at least thats what a mate told.

Can some one tell me why loads of you are coming back over here to work?

If its that bad job wise then why are loads of people I know going to live out there?

Nope, those colors are uniquely German. Germans, as a breed, have special color receptors in their eyes. What they see is vastly different than what other races can see. Those colors, specifically, are extremely German - you just can't see it.
First of all, there is only one human race on this planet at the moment and we're all part of it, so stop the race bullshit.
Secondly, don't make me pluck out your eyes and feed them to my Schäferhund for making idiotic remarks like that.

What? It's the same way red is a communist colour. B-R-Y and B-W-R are German colours.
While the black, white and red have the history Laerod discribed in his earlier post, it isn't actually yellow in our current national flag - it's gold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Germany

So, please, inform yourself before posting and stop the smattering.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Lockwoodnzflag-1-.gif

I really like it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Koruflag.jpg

That's not bad either.
Ooh, I like both of them, actually. The second is more unusual, so I'd go with that.
Of course I also really like the silver fern on black (making me root for any New Zealand athlete in the Olympic games almost by default, so that's something).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Koruflag.jpg

That's not bad either.
Looks like the old SUSE Linux logo.

Simonist']What's wrong with New Zealand's current flag?

And I like the first MUCH better.
It's got too much Union Jack in it.

Here we go - a nice new Australian flag in the style of my nation's flag:

http://www.safalra.com/temporary/australia.jpg

(Yeah, I know it's small - but it is exactly the size of the standard NationStates flags, so feel free to use it.)

1st one is better

This does though:
http://www.alsoftware.com.br/adrianpage/parodius/manual/turd.gif
IMO, that looks like the "Don't tread on me" Gadsden flag. Which is actually a more appropriate motto in this case.

Can some one tell me why loads of you are coming back over here to work?


Speaking from my personal point of view....because humanities graduates get paid about the same as high school graduates here. The perception is that there is a chance to earn a lot more in England (whether true or not).

That, and it'd be nice to try living somewhere different.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Lockwoodnzflag-1-.gif

I really like it.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/97/Koruflag.jpg

That's not bad either.

I really like the first flag, it's a great one.

I also think we should change the Aus flag.

New Zealand is Australia with a touch more Red. (teehee)



Ugh.

http://www.users.bigpond.com/xmung/gallery_pics/designs/eureka.jpg

Eureka FTW.

or the flag I made up for NS would be even cooler, but eh.

Too much Essendon for my liking in your nation's flag. I've always liked the Eureka flag though.