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UN Ambassadorship

The blessed Chris
21-03-2006, 22:43
In all seriousness, enough truly is enough. His advocating child torture (see USA thread) is simply objectionable, and therefore, can we post links to every trolly or flamey post he makes within the next week/day/asap here, and compile a petition of sorts to have the moron banned, or at least severely warned?:(
Jocabia
21-03-2006, 22:45
Hmmmm... nope, we can't.
Gift-of-god
21-03-2006, 22:50
Wasn't someone going to do a 'Ask UN Abassadorship anything you want' thread?

That would be hilarious.
Franberry
21-03-2006, 23:01
Yeah, the guy is suchs a troll

I mean, banning public schools?? and sending all that money into the military?
Drunk commies deleted
21-03-2006, 23:03
In all seriousness, enough truly is enough. His advocating child torture (see USA thread) is simply objectionable, and therefore, can we post links to every trolly or flamey post he makes within the next week/day/asap here, and compile a petition of sorts to have the moron banned, or at least severely warned?:(
In all seriousness, child torture is legal. In most countries you can slap your kid if he acts up. You can't slap a prisoner under the Geneva conventions. It's considered torture, right? So how can you condemn a guy for advocating somethign that's legal?
Ifreann
21-03-2006, 23:04
This is truly ridiculous, two threads on how much of a troll UNA is? You people are aware that a troll would probably be jizzing themselves at just the thought of it.
Bunnyducks
21-03-2006, 23:04
Wasn't someone going to do a 'Ask UN Abassadorship anything you want' thread?

That would be hilarious.
No. I was building a temple to him... but you can forget it now!
Drunk commies deleted
21-03-2006, 23:05
This is truly ridiculous, two threads on how much of a troll UNA is? You people are aware that a troll would probably be jizzing themselves at just the thought of it.
I like his troll style. If he enjoys reading these threads, fine. Kudos to him for trolling up the place a bit. It was getting boring.
Heron-Marked Warriors
21-03-2006, 23:06
Surely if you want something done, chris, you should go to the mods?
Franberry
21-03-2006, 23:07
I like his troll style. If he enjoys reading these threads, fine. Kudos to him for trolling up the place a bit. It was getting boring.
there are some fires that i'm hapy to throw wood onto, this one amusses me, and I shall continue to do so
Bunnyducks
21-03-2006, 23:11
In all seriousness, child torture is legal. In most countries you can slap your kid if he acts up. You can't slap a prisoner under the Geneva conventions. It's considered torture, right? So how can you condemn a guy for advocating somethign that's legal?
HAHA! You can not even spell parrot!
Drunk commies deleted
21-03-2006, 23:12
HAHA! You can not even spell parrot!
Joke's on you. I was trying to spell Eagle.
Undelia
21-03-2006, 23:13
Yeah, the guy is suchs a troll

I mean, banning public schools?? and sending all that money into the military?
Can’t deal with an unpopular opinon?
Bunnyducks
21-03-2006, 23:13
Damn!
Ifreann
21-03-2006, 23:14
HAHA! You can not even spell parrot!

cannot
Romanar
21-03-2006, 23:14
This is truly ridiculous, two threads on how much of a troll UNA is? You people are aware that a troll would probably be jizzing themselves at just the thought of it.

Troll or not, I couldn't resist sigging one of his quotes. I wonder if he realized just how that statement could be interpreted.
Holy Paradise
21-03-2006, 23:17
Yeah, the guy is suchs a troll

I mean, banning public schools?? and sending all that money into the military?

He has the right to say as he wishes. What you are advocating is the abolishment of the right to free speech.
Bunnyducks
21-03-2006, 23:17
This is truly ridiculous, two threads on how much of a troll UNA is? You people are aware that a troll would probably be jizzing themselves at just the thought of it.
Duh.
That's the whole idea Eisenstein! Give teh troll enough attention, and he'll jizz his computer shut.
Holy Paradise
21-03-2006, 23:18
I think it would absurd to ban public schools, but you can believe it if you want. We're not like Communist China, you can say what you want.
Sdaeriji
21-03-2006, 23:20
According to Eutrusca, Gauthier is UN Abassadorship. So, would we be banning the user or just the puppet?
Sdaeriji
21-03-2006, 23:21
I think it would absurd to ban public schools, but you can believe it if you want. We're not like Communist China, you can say what you want.

In Soviet Russia, troll bans you!
Gift-of-god
21-03-2006, 23:22
According to Eutrusca, Gauthier is UN Abassadorship. So, would we be banning the user or just the puppet?

I would like to know why Eutrusca thinks that.
Sdaeriji
21-03-2006, 23:25
I would like to know why Eutrusca thinks that.

I don't recall him answering when I asked why he thought that. Perhaps he shall later.
PsychoticDan
21-03-2006, 23:26
In all seriousness, enough truly is enough. His advocating child torture (see USA thread) is simply objectionable, and therefore, can we post links to every trolly or flamey post he makes within the next week/day/asap here, and compile a petition of sorts to have the moron banned, or at least severely warned?:(
I understand that this is a privately owned forum, but I think it has a free speach bent to it. This thread is the troll, not UNA. I think the guys severly deficient in the eductaion department, but he's just speaking his mind. Next you're gonna ask that a fatwa be placed on his head? I have an idea, why don't you burn down a KFC in his neighborhood.
Gift-of-god
21-03-2006, 23:27
I understand that this is a privately owned forum, but I think it has a free speach bent to it. This thread is the troll, not UNA. I think the guys severly deficient in the eductaion department, but he's just speaking his mind. Next you're gonna ask that a fatwa be placed on his head? I have an idea, why don't you burn down a KFC in his neighborhood.

Yuck, can you imagine the stench?
PsychoticDan
21-03-2006, 23:32
Yuck, can you imagine the stench?
Yeah, it would stink.

Anyhoo, I'm just curious what the warning should be. How would you word it, TheBlessedChris?
The blessed Chris
21-03-2006, 23:33
Yeah, it would stink.

Anyhoo, I'm just curious what the warning should be. How would you word it, TheBlessedChris?

God knows. I'm just damn bored of the continual bilge he spews out with no justification for it. Is this thread trolling?
Franberry
21-03-2006, 23:35
Yuck, can you imagine the stench?
The gresse would burn longer than an oil well
PsychoticDan
21-03-2006, 23:37
God knows. I'm just damn bored of the continual bilge he spews out with no justification for it. Is this thread trolling?
I don't think anyone who has ever posted anything in here has any real justification for it. Everyone's here to kill time because they are bored and like to talk about politics or whatever and they have found people here to talk to. As long as he's not destroying threads, trolling for kiddies or staring fights then I would just say that if you don't like to debate with him or you don't like his topics then don't read his posts. From what I've seen he's just posting his political positions, extremely uninformed ones, maybe, but his opinions just the same. No harm in that.
Drunk commies deleted
21-03-2006, 23:38
Yuck, can you imagine the stench?
Maybe it smells good. Pakistanis seem to like burning KFC whenever they protest something.
The blessed Chris
21-03-2006, 23:40
I don't think anyone who has ever posted anything in here has any real justification for it. Everyone's here to kill time because they are bored and like to talk about politics or whatever and they have found people here to talk to. As long as he's not destroying threads, trolling for kiddies or staring fights then I would just say that if you don't like to debate with him or you don't like his topics then don't read his posts. From what I've seen he's just posting his political positions, extremely uninformed ones, maybe, but his opinions just the same. No harm in that.

Its merely that recently, with the child torture issue notably, such opinions have digressed into a whole new realm of ignorance and distastefulness.

Oh, something else. In light of my not being able to have him "inhumed" in an electronic sense,why not a boycott of all UN threads until they assume a more rational and amenable guise?
Drunk commies deleted
21-03-2006, 23:41
Its merely that recently, with the child torture issue notably, such opinions have digressed into a whole new realm of ignorance and distastefulness.
Child torture is legal and commonly used in just about every nation.
The blessed Chris
21-03-2006, 23:42
Child torture is legal and commonly used.

You are well aware of what he understands by child torture.
Drunk commies deleted
21-03-2006, 23:43
You are well aware of what he understands by child torture.
No I'm not. I'm sadly incapable of reading people's minds.
PsychoticDan
21-03-2006, 23:44
Its merely that recently, with the child torture issue notably, such opinions have digressed into a whole new realm of ignorance and distastefulness.Ignore them.

Oh, something else. In light of my not being able to have him "inhumed" in an electronic sense,why not a boycott of all UN threads until they assume a more rational and amenable guise?
I like to talk to people like that sometimes. Its amusing. You don't have to, though.
The blessed Chris
21-03-2006, 23:45
No I'm not. I'm sadly incapable of reading people's minds.

Ok. You, I assume, relate to smacking/ spanking a child. However he relates to torturing children in the conventional sense to incite a response amongst their parents and thus extract information.
Franberry
21-03-2006, 23:46
Child torture is legal and commonly used in just about every nation.
He dosent mean spanking your child
Zilam
21-03-2006, 23:49
He dosent mean spanking your child


Well, I am going to go along with DC, how do you know what he means? You can very well read his mind
Drunk commies deleted
21-03-2006, 23:49
Ok. You, I assume, relate to smacking/ spanking a child. However he relates to torturing children in the conventional sense to incite a response amongst their parents and thus extract information.
No, I mean using a man's toddler as a club to beat his wife to death in order to extract information and just generally traumatize him.

Just kidding. You're right about what I was refering to, but how do you know he's interested in torturing kiddies in order to shake down their parents for info?
Franberry
21-03-2006, 23:50
You're right about what I was refering to, but how do you know he's interested in torturing kiddies in order to shake down their parents for info?

He said so in the USA thread
Thriceaddict
21-03-2006, 23:52
and the public school thread.
Drunk commies deleted
21-03-2006, 23:53
He said so in the USA thread
Well, he's entitled to his opinion. I've got some crazy opinions too.

Most notably I'd like to change NJ motor vehicle law to equip every car with cameras and a gun. If someone is driving like an idiot you can shoot him and if the judge reviews the camera footage and agrees the guy was driving stupid you get away with killing him.

Should I be silenced?
N Y C
21-03-2006, 23:53
Guys, this is kind of silly. You're following a gut reaction to silence him. Yes, his ideas may be, IMHO, completely off-the-wall insane s well as mindbogglingly uninformed, but shutting him up for them is a violation of free speech. Furthermore, the only way to confront someone with ideas you don't like is...debate them!
Drunk commies deleted
21-03-2006, 23:55
Guys, this is kind of silly. You're following a gut reaction to silence him. Yes, his ideas may be, IMHO, completely off-the-wall insane s well as mindbogglingly uninformed, but shutting him up for them is a violation of free speech. Furthermore, the only way to confront someone with ideas you don't like is...debate them!
Doesn't always work. Some people will never acknowledge that you've successfully destroyed all the points that they've made and just keep on repeating the same old argument over and over until you want to dismember his children in front of him until he admits he's beaten.
Franberry
21-03-2006, 23:55
Guys, this is kind of silly. You're following a gut reaction to silence him. Yes, his ideas may be, IMHO, completely off-the-wall insane s well as mindbogglingly uninformed, but shutting him up for them is a violation of free speech. Furthermore, the only way to confront someone with ideas you don't like is...debate them!
heres my crazy theory: free speech sucks! yay for totaleterian societies!
N Y C
22-03-2006, 00:01
Doesn't always work. Some people will never acknowledge that you've successfully destroyed all the points that they've made and just keep on repeating the same old argument over and over until you want to dismember his children in front of him until he admits he's beaten.
I know that, but oppressing him will likely make him more extreme and bitter.
Drunk commies deleted
22-03-2006, 00:01
I know that, but oppressing him will likely make him more extreme and bitter.
Well, I'm not for trying to shut him up. I actually enjoy his posts and the responses to them. He's like a new Jesussaves.
Jocabia
22-03-2006, 00:05
I know that, but oppressing him will likely make him more extreme and bitter.

He's not real. Silencing him will simply remove a troll. It's abundantly clear that he doesn't actually believe the crazy things he espouses. It's clearly meant to be an over-the-top exaggeration of the stereotype of a neo-con. Seriously, I'm more worried about the person who actually believes he is espousing real beliefs than UNA, himself.
Jocabia
22-03-2006, 00:05
Well, I'm not for trying to shut him up. I actually enjoy his posts and the responses to them. He's like a new Jesussaves.

Yes, but JesusSaves was a troll and a violation of site rules.
Mirchaz
22-03-2006, 00:06
just do a domain ban, or whatever it is they do when someone tries to join w/ multiple ips...
Franberry
22-03-2006, 00:08
just do a domain ban, or whatever it is they do when someone tries to join w/ multiple ips...
yeah, we shoudl do that

anyone have a clue how to do that?
Drunk commies deleted
22-03-2006, 00:09
Yes, but JesusSaves was a troll and a violation of site rules.
Which only goes to show that the site rules are overly strict and lack any sense of humor.
Eutrusca
22-03-2006, 00:10
In all seriousness, enough truly is enough. His advocating child torture (see USA thread) is simply objectionable, and therefore, can we post links to every trolly or flamey post he makes within the next week/day/asap here, and compile a petition of sorts to have the moron banned, or at least severely warned?:(
Hell, NS General didn't ban an avowed pedophile. Why should they ban Gauthier ... uh ... I mean UN Ambassadorship?
Jocabia
22-03-2006, 00:12
Which only goes to show that the site rules are overly strict and lack any sense of humor.
Or that the site has a purpose and allowing people to kill conversations by pretending to be something they aren't is counter to that purpose. There are other sites that are less restrictive if you don't like this site's rules. The rules aren't arbitrary. They are designed to allow discussions to occur without being hijacked by people pretending to hold random extreme positions because they think it's funny.
Bunnyducks
22-03-2006, 00:12
He's not real. Indeed. He is less real than all the rest of us here! Silencing him will simply remove a troll. He is clearly able to push your buttons. Does that alone make him/her a troll..? It's abundantly clear that he doesn't actually believe the crazy things he espouses. Odd thing to say about someone you consider being not real. It's clearly meant to be an over-the-top exaggeration of the stereotype of a neo-con. There are plenty of those around. Seriously, I'm more worried about the person who actually believes he is espousing real beliefs than UNA, himself. Ummm...
Drunk commies deleted
22-03-2006, 00:13
Or that the site has a purpose and allowing people to kill conversations by pretending to be something they aren't is counter to that purpose. There are other sites that are less restrictive if you don't like this site's rules. The rules aren't arbitrary. They are designed to allow discussions to occur without being hijacked by people pretending to hold random extreme positions because they think it's funny.
Jesussaves mostly posted in his own threads. He didn't often enter other people's threads to hijack them.
Jocabia
22-03-2006, 00:14
Hell, NS General didn't ban an avowed pedophile. Why should they ban Gauthier ... uh ... I mean UN Ambassadorship?

Because being a pedophile has nothing to do with the site rules. There are also Americans that declare they smoke pot which is against the law. When did it become the job of the Mods to enforce the laws that don't apply to them.
PsychoticDan
22-03-2006, 00:16
So quick to silence, ban, gag...

I thought the thought police were supposed to be a right wing stereotype? DCD is right. Get a sense of humor and get over yourself. The ignore buttons right there. ^^^^^^
Jocabia
22-03-2006, 00:17
Indeed. He is less real than all the rest of us here! He is clearly able to push your buttons. Does that alone make him/her a troll..? Odd thing to say about someone you consider being not real. There are plenty of those around. Ummm...
Push my buttons? Pardon? I don't dislike him. I'm not mad at him. I think he's done a pretty good job of getting the goats of a lot of people here, but the problem is that he hijacks every thread he posts in and it's counter to the purpose of NS.

Meanwhile, if he's 'pushing my buttons' then why are there two threads in moderation where I ask that this thread and the only one about him be closed and that people stop attacking him.
Jocabia
22-03-2006, 00:18
Jesussaves mostly posted in his own threads. He didn't often enter other people's threads to hijack them.

That's not true of UNA.
Jocabia
22-03-2006, 00:20
So quick to silence, ban, gag...

I thought the thought police were supposed to be a right wing stereotype? DCD is right. Get a sense of humor and get over yourself. The ignore buttons right there. ^^^^^^

His ideas aren't being silenced. His methods are. The mods will allow pretty much every ideology here. The problem is he pretty clearly is simply trying to be an exaggeration of a stereotype as an attempt to upset a lot of people. It's a made-up personality that is counter to the purpose of the site by intent. The moderators are free to enforce their rules, if they so choose, and it is not an issue of freedom of speech being it's a private site and all.

Are they also thought-policing when they deny you the right to say you wish I would die or such things? Or is it only thought-policing when you don't like the rule?
Bunnyducks
22-03-2006, 00:22
Meanwhile, if he's 'pushing my buttons' then why are there two threads in moderation where I ask that this thread and the only one about him be closed and that people stop attacking him.Frankly, I couldn't answer that. I have never checked moderation. Never felt strong enough about anything here to go there. Why is it, then?
Franberry
22-03-2006, 00:25
His ideas aren't being silenced. His methods are. The mods will allow pretty much every ideology here. The problem is he pretty clearly is simply trying to be an exaggeration of a stereotype as an attempt to upset a lot of people. It's a made-up personality that is counter to the purpose of the site by intent. The moderators are free to enforce their rules, if they so choose, and it is not an issue of freedom of speech being it's a private site and all.

Are they also thought-policing when they deny you the right to say you wish I would die or such things? Or is it only thought-policing when you don't like the rule?

His steriotipycal American "Ignorant Idiot" is soo annoying
PsychoticDan
22-03-2006, 00:25
His ideas aren't being silenced. His methods are. The mods will allow pretty much every ideology here. The problem is he pretty clearly is simply trying to be an exaggeration of a stereotype as an attempt to upset a lot of people. It's a made-up personality that is counter to the purpose of the site by intent. The moderators are free to enforce their rules, if they so choose, and it is not an issue of freedom of speech being it's a private site and all.

Are they also thought-policing when they deny you the right to say you wish I would die or such things? Or is it only thought-policing when you don't like the rule?
Granted I haven't been here for that long, but I have never seen the guy get out of line. He's on topic even if what he says is ridiculously uninformed. I guess I just can't get passed the fact that he's easy enough to ignore if you don't like what he says.
Jocabia
22-03-2006, 00:28
Granted I haven't been here for that long, but I have never seen the guy get out of line. He's on topic even if what he says is ridiculously uninformed. I guess I just can't get passed the fact that he's easy enough to ignore if you don't like what he says.

I don't actually mind what he says because it's so radical that no one listens anyway. I suspect that he hates conservatives so he gets off by making them look so silly and being an example everyone can hold up of the 'typical neocon'.
Sdaeriji
22-03-2006, 00:28
Hell, NS General didn't ban an avowed pedophile. Why should they ban Gauthier ... uh ... I mean UN Ambassadorship?

Still waiting for that proof, Ritlina...uh...I mean Eutrusca.
PsychoticDan
22-03-2006, 00:29
Are they also thought-policing when they deny you the right to say you wish I would die or such things? Or is it only thought-policing when you don't like the rule?
Are you saying me personally? I've never asked for anyone to be censored here in anyway. In fact, I've never contected or been contacted by any mod ever.
Jocabia
22-03-2006, 00:29
Still waiting for that proof, Ritlina...uh...I mean Eutrusca.

Seriously, why is it necessary for people to bait Eut in every thread he enters? If you don't like him then stop reading his posts, but he's not breaking the rules. However, harassing him in every thread does break the rules.
PsychoticDan
22-03-2006, 00:30
I don't actually mind what he says because it's so radical that no one listens anyway. I suspect that he hates conservatives so he gets off by making them look so silly and being an example everyone can hold up of the 'typical neocon'.
Then let him be.
Jocabia
22-03-2006, 00:31
Are you saying me personally? I've never asked for anyone to be censored here in anyway. In fact, I've never contected or been contacted by any mod ever.

I'm not suggesting you have. I'm saying that there are lots of rules that are designed to aid the purpose of this forum. Those rules have nothing to do with freedom of speech, because this is a private site. Trolling wastes server resources, makes the mods work harder, and hijacks threads. So it's against site rules. This is also true of flaming, wishing death, baiting, etc.
PsychoticDan
22-03-2006, 00:36
I'm not suggesting you have. I'm saying that there are lots of rules that are designed to aid the purpose of this forum. Those rules have nothing to do with freedom of speech, because this is a private site. Trolling wastes server resources, makes the mods work harder, and hijacks threads. So it's against site rules. This is also true of flaming, wishing death, baiting, etc.
Awwwwww, jeez. :( Can't we just come here and have fun? :( Enough people here don't mind him and myself and at least one other person have said we have fun with him even if we know he's a puppet. I understand rules. I run a forum and know that it can't be a free-for-all, but this guys not hurting anybody in anyway that can't be cured by just ignoring him. I'm more for banningg the child molester. That guy could be sending messages to underaged people on this site. :confused:
Sdaeriji
22-03-2006, 00:39
Seriously, why is it necessary for people to bait Eut in every thread he enters? If you don't like him then stop reading his posts, but he's not breaking the rules. However, harassing him in every thread does break the rules.

Done with your soapbox?

He's made baseless accusations that Gauthier is trolling with a puppet. I asked for proof in another thread. He bailed without another word. Here, he makes his same evidenceless claim. I want to see proof.
Jocabia
22-03-2006, 00:40
Awwwwww, jeez. :( Can't we just come here and have fun? :( Enough people here don't mind him and myself and at least one other person have said we have fun with him even if we know he's a puppet. I understand rules. I run a forum and know that it can't be a free-for-all, but this guys not hurting anybody in anyway that can't be cured by just ignoring him. I'm more for banningg the child molester. That guy could be sending messages to underaged people on this site. :confused:

One, it's not a democracy. It's not up to me or you. It's up to Max and he appears to be interested in creating a site where people can debate issues without trolls. There are plenty of sites you can go to that don't outlaw them, but you're not there, so I suspect you'd mind them much more if the ban was lifted and they became a nuisance.

The child molester is serious or appears to be and there is actually a benefit to him reading the reasoned responses he gets. He has the ability to change. Cartoons like UNA, don't generally grow up or have you not seen the Simpsons?
The UN abassadorship
22-03-2006, 00:40
I understand that this is a privately owned forum, but I think it has a free speach bent to it. This thread is the troll, not UNA. I think the guys severly deficient in the eductaion department, but he's just speaking his mind. Next you're gonna ask that a fatwa be placed on his head? I have an idea, why don't you burn down a KFC in his neighborhood.
Thank you, jesshh. Im not trying to be a troll in the slightest. I just speak my mind and Im sorry if people dont like that. I dont get why people are bothered me.
Bunnyducks
22-03-2006, 00:41
I'm more for banningg the child molester. That guy could be sending messages to underaged people on this site. :confused:
Like... 'surrender to child molesters'???
Jocabia
22-03-2006, 00:42
Done with your soapbox?

He's made baseless accusations that Gauthier is trolling with a puppet. I asked for proof in another thread. He bailed without another word. Here, he makes his same evidenceless claim. I want to see proof.

Actually, I misread your post. Carry on. He did make an accusation and you called him on it. I just get tired of seeing people attack Eut all the time. He may have brought it on himself, but it got old about two years ago.
PsychoticDan
22-03-2006, 00:47
One, it's not a democracy. It's not up to me or you. It's up to Max and he appears to be interested in creating a site where people can debate issues without trolls. There are plenty of sites you can go to that don't outlaw them, but you're not there, so I suspect you'd mind them much more if the ban was lifted and they became a nuisance. But my point is that even as a troll he's not so bad. It's not like he's going into threads about teh Iraq war and saying, "I bet my penis is bigger than yours." He's on topic, even if he is ridiculous, and he doesn't appear to post flood so what's the harm in having him around? I know this isn't a democracy and that I'm not in charge, I'm just speaking my mind. I figure, if he was so bad and he was breaking all these rules, he'd already be banned, no?

The child molester is serious or appears to be and there is actually a benefit to him reading the reasoned responses he gets. He has the ability to change.
Well, research suggests they don't change and there are people on this site as young as thirteen. I personally would not want to be running the site where he got his next victim. I've had to kick them off of my site before.
Zilam
22-03-2006, 00:51
Ok this thread needs to be shut down...flaiming galore on here.
PsychoticDan
22-03-2006, 00:53
Ok this thread needs to be shut down...flaiming galore on here.
Man, you guys have a very mild definition of flaming. Sounds like a reasonable discussion to me. :confused: There is a meta-point to this thread and you're the reason for it. ;)
Zilam
22-03-2006, 01:05
Man, you guys have a very mild definition of flaming. Sounds like a reasonable discussion to me. :confused: There is a meta-point to this thread and you're the reason for it. ;)


Fine..when someone else gets their feelings hurt, ill be their to say "i told you so"

ok so maybe not outright flamming...but i can forsee it happening...so now what:rolleyes:
The Wholly Evil Pope
22-03-2006, 01:08
HAHA! You can not even spell parrot!
cannot
Sorry if this has already been said, but I just wanted to point out that "can not" is not only proper grammar, but formally more correct than "cannot."
PsychoticDan
22-03-2006, 01:09
Fine..when someone else gets their feelings hurt, ill be their to say "i told you so"

ok so maybe not outright flamming...but i can forsee it happening...so now what:rolleyes:
Now I point out this everytime UNA goes into a thread it immediately becomes popular. Why get rid of a guy who does that to threads?
Jocabia
22-03-2006, 01:10
But my point is that even as a troll he's not so bad. It's not like he's going into threads about teh Iraq war and saying, "I bet my penis is bigger than yours." He's on topic, even if he is ridiculous, and he doesn't appear to post flood so what's the harm in having him around? I know this isn't a democracy and that I'm not in charge, I'm just speaking my mind. I figure, if he was so bad and he was breaking all these rules, he'd already be banned, no?

Trolls usually have to build up a history to be banned. And the problem is that people usually jump on the easiest point to discredit. That's almost always the troll. Because of this you have to wade through pages of replies to the troll in order to get to the meat of the discussion. And it doesn't matter if he's one of the better trolls or not, he may not be a nuisance as just one, but when it's dozens, it becomes a problem and has been a problem in the past.

Well, research suggests they don't change and there are people on this site as young as thirteen. I personally would not want to be running the site where he got his next victim. I've had to kick them off of my site before.

Actually, that's not true. Research suggests that they don't change once they've chosen the line into actually victimizing. There is no evidence that he's done so at this time.

Most people who have been molested have had some of the confusing thoughts he describes. It's one of the horrible side-effects of being molested. For most people they are able to rectify those feelings into something healthier or to talk to people to learn to control or morph those feelings. The people who can't help themselves or don't get help become molestors and unfortunately, once you cross that line it's fairly unlikely you'll cross back. That's true of most violent crimes.
Bunnyducks
22-03-2006, 01:10
Sorry if this has already been said, but I just wanted to point out that "can not" is not only proper grammar, but formally more correct than "cannot."
HAHA! You can not even spell canoe.
Jocabia
22-03-2006, 01:11
Now I point out this everytime UNA goes into a thread it immediately becomes popular. Why get rid of a guy who does that to threads?

Because the goal of the forums is not simply to create a lot of posts. It's too explore ideas and the ability to explore ideas gets badly hamstrings when someone goes into a thread and starts making wild statements. People react to the wild statements instead of exploring actual beliefs and opinions on the subject.
PsychoticDan
22-03-2006, 01:18
Actually, that's not true. Research suggests that they don't change once they've chosen the line into actually victimizing. There is no evidence that he's done so at this time.
Now we're way off topic, but I just have to point out that he's at least crossed the line into feeling comfortable with his predilictions which, I'll wager, is a big line to cross. I'm sure most people who think about it but never do it are ashamed of the thoughts and that may be a prerequisite to change. Not only is he not ashamed, he posts endlessly challenging people to prove that his predilictions are harmful. If he doesn't beleive there's anything wrong with the sexualization of children by adults and he doesn't believe that its harmfull to children then I think the step to victimization is that much closer. Let's hope he doesn't cross the line into victimization with some 14-year-old boy from NS. My site is as near a free-for-all as I've seen and I would never allow him there.
Drunk commies deleted
22-03-2006, 01:18
HAHA! You can not even spell canoe.
Good one!
PsychoticDan
22-03-2006, 01:20
Because the goal of the forums is not simply to create a lot of posts. It's too explore ideas and the ability to explore ideas gets badly hamstrings when someone goes into a thread and starts making wild statements. People react to the wild statements instead of exploring actual beliefs and opinions on the subject.
well, this is just going to be another one of those threads you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree on. I dont' come here to be educated. I come here to be entertained and I enjoy political debates. Wether the person on the other side of the internet from me is real, a puppet or a troll is amaterial to me. As long as he does not interfere with my ability to enjoy myself here then he's fine with me.
Utracia
22-03-2006, 01:36
well, this is just going to be another one of those threads you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree on. I dont' come here to be educated. I come here to be entertained and I enjoy political debates. Wether the person on the other side of the internet from me is real, a puppet or a troll is amaterial to me. As long as he does not interfere with my ability to enjoy myself here then he's fine with me.

I completely agree. We do not have to get outright insulting but people really do need to relax and not become so easily offended.
Zilam
22-03-2006, 01:49
Now I point out this everytime UNA goes into a thread it immediately becomes popular. Why get rid of a guy who does that to threads?


So...i should add him to my thread if i want everyone to see it?

i can see it now... Is Thomas (me) Hott?

see without him it would attract no one..but then i add his name
and BOOM! its popular!
Jocabia
22-03-2006, 01:55
well, this is just going to be another one of those threads you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree on. I dont' come here to be educated. I come here to be entertained and I enjoy political debates. Wether the person on the other side of the internet from me is real, a puppet or a troll is amaterial to me. As long as he does not interfere with my ability to enjoy myself here then he's fine with me.

Sigged.

Too bad it's not your forum. Many of us come here to explore and discuss actual views, not strawman versions of those views. In fact, that's the purpose of the forums.
Jocabia
22-03-2006, 01:57
I completely agree. We do not have to get outright insulting but people really do need to relax and not become so easily offended.

His points aren't offensive in my eyes. Simply absurd and hijacking.
Santa Barbara
22-03-2006, 01:58
The guy is an attention-whoring flamebaiter. Not to mention, a cocksucker.

Not that there's anything wrong with cocksucking. I don't mean that in an insult at all. It's just my opinion and I hope you fascists don't get upset over that.
PsychoticDan
22-03-2006, 02:00
So...i should add him to my thread if i want everyone to see it?

i can see it now... Is Thomas (me) Hott?

see without him it would attract no one..but then i add his name
and BOOM! its popular!
I didn't say that. I'm saying that the guy attracts posters because they like to debate with him or her and that once he starts posting in a thread it generally gets popular. Doens't mean he's the only thing that can make a thread popular.
The UN abassadorship
22-03-2006, 02:02
His points aren't offensive in my eyes. Simply absurd and hijacking.
I take offense to that. I dont do anything everyone else dont do, I just state my opinion, you can take or leave it.
Utracia
22-03-2006, 02:02
The guy is an attention-whoring flamebaiter. Not to mention, a cocksucker.

Not that there's anything wrong with cocksucking. I don't mean that in an insult at all. It's just my opinion and I hope you fascists don't get upset over that.

Education. That's all he needs so that he can get an idea of how history actually is. Washing over U.S. mistakes, (as he likes to do) isn't going to help anything and we just need to get him to see that.
The UN abassadorship
22-03-2006, 02:05
Education. That's all he needs so that he can get an idea of how history actually is. Washing over U.S. mistakes, (as he likes to do) isn't going to help anything and we just need to get him to see that.
I dont wash over U.S. mistakes, I wash over liberal proganda, theres a difference.
Tactical Grace
22-03-2006, 02:32
I am aware there is a problem. However, feeding the troll is not the way to deal with it.