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I'd like to know what kind of message this judge thinks he is sending. If the boy can't be convinced to justify that is too bad you will then have to take a plea bargain that is awful but would have been better then forcing the prosecutor to dismiss the charges.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11943967/

I'd like to know what kind of message this judge thinks he is sending. If the boy can't be convinced to justify that is too bad you will then have to take a plea bargain that is awful but would have been better then forcing the prosecutor to dismiss the charges.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11943967/
I heard the kids mother dosent want the trial to go on

(I din't click on the link btw)

In all truth, aside from the message that this sends regarding double standards and equality, I would have given a testicle to have sex with that woman when I was 14.

In all truth, aside from the message that this sends regarding double standards and equality, I would have given a testicle to have sex with that woman when I was 14.
yeah i see that pic and i think why a 14 year old... she could easily get a full man...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11943967/

alright, your 14 years old, your a boy, and this teahcer has sex with you, take a good look at her, would you bitch about it?

looks like im not the first to post this type of comment:p

how much you want to bet she will get offers from playboy?

That 14-year old is the god of all teenage boys.

I would have given a testicle to have sex with that woman when I was 14.I would never give a part of my body..

But I do think the "raped" Kid.. is a lucky teen.
She can rape me anytime she wants :D

how much you want to bet she will get offers from playboy?Playboy should offer her a shitload of money :cool:
alright, your 14 years old, your a boy, and this teahcer has sex with you, take a good look at her, would you bitch about it?of course not.. I would only bitch if she leaves me for another dude.

of course not.. I would only bitch if she leaves me for another dude.

i dont think you should bitch even then, you had your turn, now share the wealth:D

I would never give a part of my body..

But I do think the "raped" Kid.. is a lucky teen.
She can rape me anytime she wants :D

I should have suspected how this would go. I can certainly understand it. ;)

Face it, if this was a MALE teacher having sex with a FEMALE student, he'd be classified as a pedophile. That is exactly what she is.
Also, ask yourself, would a MAN get the same light sentence as this WOMAN????????? I doubt it........

I would never give a part of my body..

But I do think the "raped" Kid.. is a lucky teen.
She can rape me anytime she wants :D

If I hade a teacher like that, then "Rape me!"

Face it, if this was a MALE teacher having sex with a FEMALE student, he'd be classified as a pedophile. That is exactly what she is.
Also, ask yourself, would a MAN get the same light sentence as this WOMAN????????? I doubt it........
Well, I can only speak for myself here. At 14 I was spankin' it to Hustler magazine. If a teacher that hot hit on me, I'd have been more than happy to have sex with her. Therefore from my point of view it's not abuse. Now if the teacher was ugly or something, it might be abuse.

Well, I can only speak for myself here. At 14 I was spankin' it to Hustler magazine. If a teacher that hot hit on me, I'd have been more than happy to have sex with her. Therefore from my point of view it's not abuse. Now if the teacher was ugly or something, it might be abuse.

Yeah, but he's got a point. I mean if it was a male teacher. How many 14 year old girls might say the same thing, "if he hit on me, I'd be more than happy to have sex."

It's still illegal in both cases, because 14 is not old enough to consent, but the woman gets a lighter sentence because doing sex crimes to females is supposed to be more evil than to males.

I mean seriously. "lewd and lascivious battery" doesn't even sound like a crime at all, sounds more like a special brand of batteries found in electric dildos.

It's still illegal in both cases, because 14 is not old enough to consent, but the woman gets a lighter sentence because doing sex crimes to females is supposed to be more evil than to males.

I believe it is also that "abuse of authority" that makes it even worse which is why I believe people like teachers, priests, doctors etc., get worse sentences because of their positions above children.

I mean seriously. "lewd and lascivious battery" doesn't even sound like a crime at all, sounds more like a special brand of batteries found in electric dildos.
*falls about laughing*
I'm going to have to give this 'sigging' thing a shot.

Now if the teacher was ugly or something, it might be abuse.
:D

Well, I can only speak for myself here. At 14 I was spankin' it to Hustler magazine. If a teacher that hot hit on me, I'd have been more than happy to have sex with her. exactamente.

In the name of equality this teacher should get put away. If it was a male teacher there'd be hell to pay.

All seriousness aside though, if you were the kid, would you testify against that teacher? Hell no, you'd be hopin if you don't she'll get off the hook and be all grateful....

All seriousness aside though, if you were the kid, would you testify against that teacher? Hell no, you'd be hopin if you don't she'll get off the hook and be all grateful....

Maybe she's bad in bed.

Or maybe she says frightening things like, "Hey, next time I want to put the ruler inside your rectum. What do you think about that, buttercup?"

Well, I can only speak for myself here. At 14 I was spankin' it to Hustler magazine. If a teacher that hot hit on me, I'd have been more than happy to have sex with her. Therefore from my point of view it's not abuse. Now if the teacher was ugly or something, it might be abuse.
There are whole websites dedicated to this fantasy.

I mean, I've heard there are websites dedicated to this fantasy.

I mean...nothing....

But for a serious response, of course you'd be more than willing, but as someone else pointed out, the girls that are involved in this are also more than willing-in fact it is the problem, as it is being exploited before the age of consent. You can't excuse this with the male horndog thing and treat it completely different if it was a girl-it continues to celebrate male 'gettin' it on' while making female sexuality something to be ashamed of.

Yeah, he wanted it. Duh. But so do the girls in cases of statutory rape. Adults, especially ones in authority, are not supposed to exploit that.

It's still illegal in both cases, because 14 is not old enough to consent, but the woman gets a lighter sentence because doing sex crimes to females is supposed to be more evil than to males.

Unless you're in Canada...

But you do have a point, a man probably would have gotten off worse. Society is silly like that. When you get into the older 'children' the sentences should be determined on the effect on the 'victim' rather than just the fact that a person had sex with a minor. Or something. I dunno.

Maybe she's bad in bed.

Or maybe she says frightening things like, "Hey, next time I want to put the ruler inside your rectum. What do you think about that, buttercup?"

That is scary. Especially cos I have a steel ruler, which is kinda sharp.


I'm gonna go and stand by the wall now.

In the name of equality this teacher should get put away. If it was a male teacher there'd be hell to pay.

All seriousness aside though, if you were the kid, would you testify against that teacher? Hell no, you'd be hopin if you don't she'll get off the hook and be all grateful....
Ah, the tyranny of equality. How I loathe it.

All seriousness aside though, if you were the kid, would you testify against that teacher? Hell no, you'd be hopin if you don't she'll get off the hook and be all grateful....Actually a 14 years old me.. would tell the hot teacher:
Hey precious.. just give me some quality time .. or else I will Lie and tell the cops we had sex. (either way I will lie)
If you do me, I will say nothing at all.. But If you do not, I will tell the cops you did. :D

Hey its YOUR career on the line. ;)

That 14-year old is the god of all teenage boys.and this is why

http://never2funky.com/apps/news/photos/lafave_debra_bike.jpg
Debra Lafave.

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/cp/world/20051123/w112340a.jpg
Debra Lafave.

I believe it is also that "abuse of authority"..If I was 14.. I would beg her to abuse me :D :D :cool: :D

Good. This whole thing was pointless and should have never gone to court. The act was consensual, end of story.

It should only be rape if the "victim" did not want it or was coerced. End of story.

She can rape me anytime she wants :D
If you've ever known a rape victim you wouldn't say something like this. Being raped is not fun.

Face it, if this was a MALE teacher having sex with a FEMALE student, he'd be classified as a pedophile. That is exactly what she is.
Also, ask yourself, would a MAN get the same light sentence as this WOMAN?I doubt it........
I agree. Just imagine if it was some 28 year old male teacher and a 14 year old girl. I'm sure that nobody on here would be saying, "that lucky bitch, I want him to have his way with me anytime!!!"

Well, I can only speak for myself here. At 14 I was spankin' it to Hustler magazine. If a teacher that hot hit on me, I'd have been more than happy to have sex with her. Therefore from my point of view it's not abuse. Now if the teacher was ugly or something, it might be abuse.
14 year olds can't legally give consent to sex with over-18s.

It should only be rape if the "victim" did not want it or was coerced. End of story.
There are no exceptions to the law. If you make exceptions, then it's not a real law anymore. Sex between a 14 year old and a 28 year old is generally not consensual which is why we have these laws to protect minors.

If you've ever known a rape victim you wouldn't say something like this. Being raped is not fun.

I agree. Just imagine if it was some 28 year old male teacher and a 14 year old girl. I'm sure that nobody on here would be saying, "that lucky bitch, I want him to have his way with me anytime!!!"

14 year olds can't legally give consent to sex with over-18s.

There are no exceptions to the law. If you make exceptions, then it's not a real law anymore. Sex between a 14 year old and a 28 year old is generally not consensual which is why we have these laws to protect minors.

So now we get a serious response! Really, this woman has some serious issues being attracted to a 14 year old boy.

If you've ever known a rape victim you wouldn't say something like this. Being raped is not fun.She raped the lucky 14 years old dude.. did she not?

If you've ever known a rape victim you wouldn't say something like this. Being raped is not fun.


I agree. Just imagine if it was some 28 year old male teacher and a 14 year old girl. I'm sure that nobody on here would be saying, "that lucky bitch, I want him to have his way with me anytime!!!"


14 year olds can't legally give consent to sex with over-18s.


There are no exceptions to the law. If you make exceptions, then it's not a real law anymore. Sex between a 14 year old and a 28 year old is generally not consensual which is why we have these laws to protect minors.

Precisely.

and this is why

http://never2funky.com/apps/news/photos/lafave_debra_bike.jpg
Debra Lafave.

little miss photoshop

THE FOLLOWING IS A STATEMENT MADE IN LIGHT OF THE FACT THAT I WAS IN QUOTE UNQUOTE "THE GHETTO" FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME TODAY. PLEASE DISREGARD MY GENERAL LACK OF PROPER USAGE OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE.

Heres why the charges were dropped, for real:
The kid was like, yo, daddio, what the hell was i thinkin? Tellin on that teacher, man, shes bangin
Then the dad was like HELL YES SON! What the hell was I thinkin marrien your mama? Lets drop the charges, maybe I'll get some!


Word.

In all truth, aside from the message that this sends regarding double standards and equality, I would have given a testicle to have sex with that woman when I was 14.

You said it quite well... Usually these teachers that are having sex with children is because they've already been denied by all adults in the world, and have to revert to children.. This teacher was SMOKIN HOT!!!!

So really what it comes down to from most of the psters here is that she was well within her rights to abuse her authority and rape a 14 yr-old because she's good looking.
Wow. Didn't know that defence could be used. Would you be saying the same thing if it was a real handsome male teacher? What if it'd had been a lesbian encounter? Or a homosexual encounter, where the boy had already come out?

None of you seem to grasp the concept of abuse of authority or consensual sex. At that age, because of the huge amounts of hormones wushing thru a boy's (or indeed a girl's) body, it's damn difficult to make rational decisions about sex.

I taught kids that age at a school where I was the youngest teacher and the only one under 30 (There was only one other under 40). Most teachers were in fact well over 50. Because of where the school was (a very poor area), most students came from solo parent families. Positive male role models in particular were thin on the ground.
As a result, I had lots of girls around that age have crushes on me. Flattering, definitely, but the main thing to remember was they weren't actually interested in me, per se. It was just a combination of hormones flooding their body, giving them the urge to reproduce and me being the only likely male around.
That is what abuse of authority is. If I had done anything to them, I would have been knowingly abusing their trust and their particular fragile state.
The same goes for female teachers/male students. Even more so, as teenage boys are even more screwed up with hormones. How can it be consensual when due to his hormones, the kid prob can barely go a few seconds without thinking of sex (or more than a couple of hours w/o whacking off). She was using his inability to fully comprehend the consequences of his actions to satisfy herself.
It's basically akin to taking advantage of a someone who's too drunk to fully know what they're doing.

(BTW, I could never understand why guys over 20 are interested in teenage girls. Hang around them and listen to them talk and they extremely shallow and boring. I prefer to have a g/f I can have a conversation with. That makes them more attractive to me)

From the article:
At the news conference, Lafave was also asked if she wanted to have children.
“I think that’s every woman’s dream,” Lafave said.
Quite. But not the way you want to 'have' them, Lafave.

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/cp/world/20051123/w112340a.jpg
Debra Lafave.

Shes just your type....aryan.

Maybe I should invite her to my "island"? Eh, OceanDrive?

After all...she is blonde.

Shes just your type.I find her very hot.

How do you like her?

She raped the lucky 14 years old dude.. did she not?
If he was raped then he is significantly less lucky than most 14 year old boys.

You said it quite well... Usually these teachers that are having sex with children is because they've already been denied by all adults in the world, and have to revert to children.. This teacher was SMOKIN HOT!!!!
The fact that I don't think she's that hot means my judgement is less biased and thus more correct. :D

None of you seem to grasp the concept of abuse of authority or consensual sex. At that age, because of the huge amounts of hormones wushing thru a boy's (or indeed a girl's) body, it's damn difficult to make rational decisions about sex.

I taught kids that age at a school where I was the youngest teacher and the only one under 30 (There was only one other under 40). Most teachers were in fact well over 50. Because of where the school was (a very poor area), most students came from solo parent families. Positive male role models in particular were thin on the ground.
As a result, I had lots of girls around that age have crushes on me. Flattering, definitely, but the main thing to remember was they weren't actually interested in me, per se. It was just a combination of hormones flooding their body, giving them the urge to reproduce and me being the only likely male around.
That is what abuse of authority is. If I had done anything to them, I would have been knowingly abusing their trust and their particular fragile state.
The same goes for female teachers/male students. Even more so, as teenage boys are even more screwed up with hormones. How can it be consensual when due to his hormones, the kid prob can barely go a few seconds without thinking of sex (or more than a couple of hours w/o whacking off). She was using his inability to fully comprehend the consequences of his actions to satisfy herself.

It's basically akin to taking advantage of a someone who's too drunk to fully know what they're doing.
You're damn right.

That woman utterly revolts me.

In case I wasn't already repulsed by her behavior, I really love how she explains that she abuses kids because she's bipolar. Please.

Many of the posts on this thread also revolt me. She had sex with a child, people. If Brad Pitt started screwing middle-schoolers, would you condone that, too?

(BTW, I could never understand why guys over 20 are interested in teenage girls. Hang around them and listen to them talk and they extremely shallow and boring. I prefer to have a g/f I can have a conversation with. That makes them more attractive to me)
Why, sex, of course! It's not because of their intellectual prowess or their stimulating conversations, but the possibility of hot, sweaty, loud teenage sex. At 03:00 AM, even! Over, and over, and over again! :eek:


From the article:
At the news conference, Lafave was also asked if she wanted to have children.
“I think that’s every woman’s dream,” Lafave said.
Quite. But not the way you want to 'have' them, Lafave.
:D

Other than being funny, you made some good points.:)

Unless you're in Canada...

But you do have a point, a man probably would have gotten off worse. Society is silly like that. When you get into the older 'children' the sentences should be determined on the effect on the 'victim' rather than just the fact that a person had sex with a minor. Or something. I dunno.I never thought of it that way.That seems like a good idea on the face of it, instead of a blanket indictment,but trying to enforce that.. something so subjective as victim impact,bears thinking about.

Why, sex, of course! It's not because of their intellectual prowess or their stimulating conversations, but the possibility of hot, sweaty, loud teenage sex. At 03:00 AM, even! Over, and over, and over again! :eek:

Hot slippery sex is better with a stimulating girl.

Hot slippery sex is better with a stimulating girl.
Indeed, but there are many people who simply would say "Hot slippery sex is better with a ... girl", you know ;)

Now, contrast the 3 years house arrest and 7 years of probation for LaFave with the similar case of 40 year old Sylvia Johnson in Denver. She received a sentence of 30 years in jail for very similar acts. The major difference between the two cases is that Johnson isn't the hottie that LaFave is.

There sure does seem to be a beauty and the beast standard in justice, at the very least. Then, there is also the male vs. female double standard that seems to exist when judging the perpetrators of child abuse.

14 year olds can't legally give consent to sex with over-18s.


There are no exceptions to the law. If you make exceptions, then it's not a real law anymore. Sex between a 14 year old and a 28 year old is generally not consensual which is why we have these laws to protect minors.This is not universally applicable. Maybe this is the case in Ireland and the United States, but German law certainly allows for such situations.
(It should also be noted that while German law might not have a problem with the ages of the two involved, it is illegal for teachers to engage in relationships with their students and she would not have gotten off with a light sentence here).

In the interest of upholding the law, she should be punished with jail time.

However, I will admit that when I was 14, I had a crush on a female teacher and fantasized about her keeping my after class and fucking my brains out.

But yes, there is a double standard when it comes to this sort of thing. The exact same scenario would have resulted in the teacher getting jail time if the teacher had been a man.

Many of the posts on this thread also revolt me. She had sex with a child, people. what is your definition of a child?

If ******* started screwing middle-schoolers, would you condone that, too?What is a Middle schooler?

If he was raped then he is significantly less lucky than most 14 year old boys.yeah.. I am sure he felt very unlucky. :rolleyes:

:D :D :p :D

This story reminds me of a joke.

A boy comes home from school and announces that he's had sex with his English teacher. His father, proud as can be, promises to buy the kid that new bike he's been looking at. The kid replies "Can I have a football instead? My ass is still kind of sore."

what is your definition of a child?

Technically, anyone under 18 could be considered a child, but I'm probably unlikely to use the term to refer to a 17-year-old. Anyone who is still in elementary school is pretty definitely a child, though, at least to most people.

What is a Middle schooler?

Well, elementary school in the U.S. typically lasts through 8th grade, after which one goes on to high school. "Middle school" varies a bit from place to place, but generally refers to something like 5th-8th grade - the "middle" years in one's basic education.

Why, sex, of course! It's not because of their intellectual prowess or their stimulating conversations, but the possibility of hot, sweaty, loud teenage sex. At 03:00 AM, even! Over, and over, and over again! :eek:

I somehow doubt most teenage girls can handle sex over and over again. Either way...this woman is sick and should be put away just like a male teacher with a female student would have been. This act is just as disgusting with the only possible exception being that the boy couldn't have gotten pregnant from it.

When I was 14 years old I was more than capable of saying,"No, bitch, get away from me." I was also capable of saying,"Yes, bitch. GIVE IT TO ME.". And, finally, I was capable of making my own decisions. Maybe not as cooly rational as a full-grown adult, if that's -ever the case, but damn near. If you're not capable of thinking rationally and making your own decisions by that age: Give up. Life is much harder than that.

For my money, I don't think the teacher is all that spectacularly hot. Attractive, and at 14, definately fantasy-worthy, but by no means beautiful or captivating. I also don't think she should have gotten anything other than a slap on the wrist. Rape? Seriously? No.

Having been with a number of older girls before I was of the age of consent, I can say that I was willing, able, and all about making those decisions. So was this kid, and so is every other normal male at 14. While I understand the point about her 'abusing her position over this child', I'll say that 1) He's not a child and 2) Again, he was more than capable of telling her no, had it ever crossed his mind.

I'll lay odds that nailing a sexy teacher didn't do irreparable damage to this kid's psyche. In fact, Im sure it had exactly the opposite effect on him. He's a god among lesser 14-yo men. She did him a favor. Did it -hurt- anyone besides herself? No. Now, if she'd kicked his ass, sodomized him with a yard-stick, burnt him with cigarettes and passed him around the teacher's lounge, there might be something to discuss, but as it stands, I think this was a case of consenting sex between two rational people.

As a message to Miss Lafave: 14 year old boys not up to snuff? Are the 'legalities' of them getting you down? Give me a call! I've got the big dick, the magic fingers, AND, best of all, I'm 22. I'm legal in any state in the union, and across the globe. I don't even think you're -that- attractive, so we could just git'it and git gone, as they say. :)

what is your definition of a child?..anyone under 18...Yes.. that is the official US definition.

while you are sleeping tonite.. thousands of "Children" are going to be doing it.
You should write your congressman to put an end to their misery.
Emergency legislation.. pronto!!

Im sure this as been said before but if that kid is a "victim" that teacher can vitcimize me any day of the week:D

Yes.. that is the official US definition.

while you are sleeping tonite.. thousands of "Children" are going to be doing it.
You should write your congressman to put an end to their misery.
Emergency legislation.. pronto!!

Wow, that was some brilliant snippage. Try reading my actual post rather than deciding what you want it to say and then pretending that's what it said.

Wow, that was some brilliant snippage. Try reading my actual post rather than deciding what you want it to say and then pretending that's what it said.Most of my posts are designed to make you think.. To use that sleepy brain of yours..

But I think this is too long of a shot..

So this time I will translate my post. and directly feed you my "message".

On rape issues.. Do not use the term "Child".
Use more precise terms like "14-years-Old"

Most of my post are designed to make you think.. To use that sleepy brain of yours..

But I think this is too long of a shot..

So this time I will translate my post. and directly feed you my "message".

On rape issues.. Do not use the term "Child".
Use more precise terms like "14 years Old Male"
Using either term is just a way of manipulating what the other person thinks. Child makes one feel protective and want to crucify the teacher. "14 year old male" makes one feel like he's dealing with a horny sex maniac who knows exactly what he's doing. Maybe the truth lies somewhere in between.

Most of my posts are designed to make you think.. To use that sleepy brain of yours..

But I think this is too long of a shot..

So this time I will translate my post. and directly feed you my "message".

On rape issues.. Do not use the term "Child".
Use more precise terms like "14 years Old Male"

I sort of agree. This isnt really rape because the kid didnt exactly mind when he was copping some head in the back of his friends SUV, nor did he mind when he went to her house and fucked her brains out.

I mean if you want to bring her up on sex with a minor....whatever, but it really wasnt rape.

Although, while I praise the kid, I do think this women, who isnt exactly ugly, has problems if she needs to cheat on her husband with a 14 year old. LOL.


Hehe: Like she couldnt cheat on him with me, a 16 year old :p :cool: ;)

I mean if you want to bring her up on sex with a minor....whatever, but it really wasnt rape.


Well, the legal term for "sex with a minor" is "statutory rape." It is really rape; it is rape of a different sort than if she had put a gun to the kid's head and forced him to have sex with her, which certainly would have been even more repulsive.

I'm very disturbed by the twin trends in this thread of regarding 14-year-olds as universally capable of giving informed consent and of thinking it's "cool" to be raped provided your molestor is physically attractive. Honestly, people, that's just awful.

Using either term is just a way of manipulating what the other person thinks. Child makes one feel protective and want to crucify the teacher. "14 year old male" makes one feel like he's dealing with a horny sex maniac who knows exactly what he's doing. Maybe the truth lies somewhere in between.I can say "She had 'statutory' sex with a 14-years-Old".
and I do not feel I am deforming the truth.

On the other hand if you keep repeating "She raped a child" ..
Then you should check this job out http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77536,00.html#intern

:D :D :p :D

Well, the legal term for "sex with a minor" is "statutory rape." It is really rape; it is rape of a different sort than if she had put a gun to the kid's head and forced him to have sex with her, which certainly would have been even more repulsive.

I'm very disturbed by the twin trends in this thread of regarding 14-year-olds as universally capable of giving informed consent and of thinking it's "cool" to be raped provided your molestor is physically attractive. Honestly, people, that's just awful.

I'd agree if the kid was younger, even only a few years younger, however in some places 14 is the age of consent, so it's difficult to get worked up about this happening to a person that age if it wasn't forced raped.

I'm not saying that adults who participate in statutory rape should get off scott free, but I can see a big difference between having sex with a 10 year old and having sex with a teenager. When it comes to older 'children', I really do think that the sentenced should be based at least in part off any trauma the 'child' did or did not receive.

Then again, forced rape should just be tried as rape, no matter what the age of the person involved.

Most of my posts are designed to make you think.. To use that sleepy brain of yours..

But I think this is too long of a shot..

So this time I will translate my post. and directly feed you my "message".

On rape issues.. Do not use the term "Child".
Use more precise terms like "14-years-Old"

Pardon me if this sounds rude - I do try to avoid rudeness when possible - but if you really want to make people think, it tends to help if you have something for them to think about other than a sort of general "I'm right and you're wrong." It also helps if what you want them to think about has some vague resemblance to the topic under discussion. I don't actually tend to spend a lot of time thinking about the input of anyone who can't be bothered to respond to what I actually posted, but instead sets up stupid strawman arguments and then behaves like that somehow makes him terribly deep. If you feel that "child" is biased language, make a case for "child" being biased language. Don't go off on nonsense about writing my congressman to ban 17-year-olds from having sex with each other, which had nothing to do with anything I said. Pretty simple, no?

yeah.. I am sure he felt very unlucky. :rolleyes:

:D :D :p :D
You don't know how he felt. I'm getting sick of these one line "arguments". Logic and reason, and the proper application of law are on my side. Just admit that your wrong and go whack off to that picture.

Indeed, but there are many people who simply would say "Hot slippery sex is better with a ... girl", you know ;)
I don't mind if other people lack standards.

When I was 14 years old I was more than capable of saying,"No, bitch, get away from me." I was also capable of saying,"Yes, bitch. GIVE IT TO ME.". And, finally, I was capable of making my own decisions. Maybe not as cooly rational as a full-grown adult, if that's -ever the case, but damn near. If you're not capable of thinking rationally and making your own decisions by that age: Give up. Life is much harder than that.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10616561&postcount=39
^^
Read that post. This is comparable to taking advantage of someone when they're drunk. (Or in your mind is it ok to take advantage of a man but not a woman?)

Yes.. that is the official US definition.

while you are sleeping tonite.. thousands of "Children" are going to be doing it.
You should write your congressman to put an end to their misery.
Emergency legislation.. pronto!!
Difference is, the vast majority of them are probably doing it with other 16 year olds which is OK.

Well, the legal term for "sex with a minor" is "statutory rape." It is really rape; it is rape of a different sort than if she had put a gun to the kid's head and forced him to have sex with her, which certainly would have been even more repulsive.

I'm very disturbed by the twin trends in this thread of regarding 14-year-olds as universally capable of giving informed consent and of thinking it's "cool" to be raped provided your molestor is physically attractive. Honestly, people, that's just awful.

I know..but I was saying that consent with a minor is NOT really rape.

I am 16 years old...two years ago I was still fully in control of my mind and body, dont let anyone tell you otherwise.

This whole story gives new meaning to "Hot for Teacher"

I'd agree if the kid was younger, even only a few years younger, however in some places 14 is the age of consent, so it's difficult to get worked up about this happening to a person that age if it wasn't forced raped.

I'm not saying that adults who participate in statutory rape should get off scott free, but I can see a big difference between having sex with a 10 year old and having sex with a teenager. When it comes to older 'children', I really do think that the sentenced should be based at least in part off any trauma the 'child' did or did not receive.



I agree that the age of the kid makes a definite difference, but...well, I'm not so very much older than 14 that I don't remember what being 14 was like. 14-year-olds are dumb. To me, 14 is definitely on the "not okay" side of the line, but it's obviously a great deal closer to that line than, say, 10.

Where I don't see any room for ambiguity is in the fact that this woman was the kid's teacher. She was in a position of direct authority over him. We don't consider that to be acceptable behavior for teachers of students of any age, but when the student in question is a minor, it becomes completely and utterly not okay. I have no doubt that if the situation was identical except that this woman's part was being played by a chubby, 47-year-old man, a lot fewer people would be giving this a green light, and that's really unfortunate.

It does make sense to base sentencing off the degree of trauma, but that leads to quite a few issues. First, if you were this boy, given the sort of comments everyone has been making about this situation, would you really want to publically state that you hated it, that you didn't want to have sex with her, and that you cry yourself to sleep every night? I'm not saying he does feel that way, but it's entirely possible. Would you really want to be taunted for your non-manliness in not appreciating being molested? Then, of course, there's the issue that trauma can manifest gradually, or have longer-or shorter-lasting effects than expected. Essentially, basing sentencing off trauma levels is always going to be largely guesswork.

You don't know how he felt. he felt like any normal 14-years-Old Male would feel.

How would you feel?
Are you Male?
are/were you a normal 14-years-Old?

I know..but I was saying that consent with a minor is NOT really rape.

I am 16 years old...two years ago I was still fully in control of my mind and body, dont let anyone tell you otherwise.

Please don't take it as an insult if I say that you may not feel the same way about it in another several years. Most people don't. I was fairly convinced that statutory rape was a nonsense concept when I was in high school, too. Then I hit 20 or so and realized that I was a blithering idiot when I was 14...

Please don't take it as an insult if I say that you may not feel the same way about it in another several years. Most people don't. I was fairly convinced that statutory rape was a nonsense concept when I was in high school, too. Then I hit 20 or so and realized that I was a blithering idiot when I was 14...

Well, then maybe only time will tell. ;)

he felt like any normal 14-years-Old would feel.

How would you feel?
are you normal?

No, he felt like he felt. He is not "any normal 14-year-old." He is himself, and I'm not so foolish as to claim to know how a stranger must feel about a given circumstance simply based on how I think I would feel.

Well, then maybe only time will tell. ;)

Indeed!

Personally, I look forward to being 35 or 40 and realizing what a blithering idiot I was in my 20s. ;)

I agree that the age of the kid makes a definite difference, but...well, I'm not so very much older than 14 that I don't remember what being 14 was like. 14-year-olds are dumb. To me, 14 is definitely on the "not okay" side of the line, but it's obviously a great deal closer to that line than, say, 10.

Where I don't see any room for ambiguity is in the fact that this woman was the kid's teacher. She was in a position of direct authority over him. We don't consider that to be acceptable behavior for teachers of students of any age, but when the student in question is a minor, it becomes completely and utterly not okay. I have no doubt that if the situation was identical except that this woman's part was being played by a chubby, 47-year-old man, a lot fewer people would be giving this a green light, and that's really unfortunate.

It does make sense to base sentencing off the degree of trauma, but that leads to quite a few issues. First, if you were this boy, given the sort of comments everyone has been making about this situation, would you really want to publically state that you hated it, that you didn't want to have sex with her, and that you cry yourself to sleep every night? I'm not saying he does feel that way, but it's entirely possible. Would you really want to be taunted for your non-manliness in not appreciating being molested? Then, of course, there's the issue that trauma can manifest gradually, or have longer-or shorter-lasting effects than expected. Essentially, basing sentencing off trauma levels is always going to be largely guesswork.

Hm... I'll have to agree with you on the fact that her being in a position of authority is basis for a harsher sentence. However, I still don't think it's that bad of a crime, if no one was harmed by the act itself.

Bah! Stupid social conditioning getting in the way of my plans! They could just make the trial private or something... pfft.

And now I'm starting to think that there should be specifically three different things: Rape, child abuse and sex with a minor. You'd either do one or one of the others, but each would be mutually exclusive. If the sex was forced, it was rape no matter what, doesn't matter who the victim was. If it wasn't forced, it's sex with a minor. Stuff that doesn't involve sex or rape is child abuse. Hm... this requires more thinking over, as I don't really think under-teen people can properly consent to sex with an adult... Bah.

Please don't take it as an insult if I say that you may not feel the same way about it in another several years. Most people don't. I was fairly convinced that statutory rape was a nonsense concept when I was in high school, too. Then I hit 20 or so and realized that I was a blithering idiot when I was 14...So.. US Males automatically stop being blithering idiots at 20? :D

Interesting ..Canadian Law says Candians stop at 14. :p
Some say US schools are lagging behind.. But this is ridiculous. :D

Indeed!

Personally, I look forward to being 35 or 40 and realizing what a blithering idiot I was in my 20s. ;)I say you should NOT be allowed to have sex until you are as Old as Eutrusca. :D :D :p :D

No, he felt like he felt. He is not "any normal 14-year-old." He is himself, and I'm not so foolish as to claim to know how a stranger must feel...But if he told you he felt "awesome" would you trust him? Or would you just call him a "blithering idiot"?

So.. US Males automatically stop being blithering idiots at 20? :D

Interesting ..Canadian Law says Candians stop at 14. :p
Some say US schools are lagging behind.. But this is ridiculous. :D

Who said anything about only males being idiots? I'm quite certain it wasn't I!

As for when one stops being a blithering idiot, I'm going to go with "never." Certain forms of blithering idiocy do seem to decrease with age, but I have no doubt many of them get replaced with new forms of blithering idiocy.

But if he told you he felt "awesome" would you trust him? Or would you just call him a "blithering idiot"?

Whether or not I'd believe him would depend on context. I've already discussed reasons he might not feel comfortable saying otherwise in an earlier post. That said, the whole point of statutory rape is that even if the victim thinks it was a great idea, he or she is not legally considered competent to decide that. This is much the same reason why it is not considered acceptable to have sex with a drunk person. If you'd like to argue a case for why the age of consent should be lowered, go for it, but legally, his opinion on the matter doesn't actually change whether or not this was a crime.

I say you should be allowed to have sex until you are as Old as Eutrusca. :D :D :p :D

I think I'll be allowed to have sex when I'm even older than that! *gasp* ;)

Whether or not I'd believe him would depend on context. I've already discussed reasons he might not feel comfortable saying otherwise in an earlier post. That said, the whole point of statutory rape is that even if the victim thinks it was a great idea, he or she is not legally considered competent to decide that. This is much the same reason why it is not considered acceptable to have sex with a drunk person. If you'd like to argue a case for why the age of consent should be lowered, go for it, but legally, his opinion on the matter doesn't actually change whether or not this was a crime.

I disagree. When I was his age...I knew what I wanted, and that didn't change ever. ^-^

I disagree. When I was his age...I knew what I wanted, and that didn't change ever. ^-^same here.

In fact.. most posters here know/knew what they want at 14..

I do not buy that Bullshit about how "14 years olds are idiots.. and should not have sex with a hot female teacher."

I thiink we just need to recognize the differences in psycho-sexual behavior between the sexes and have our laws reflect that. The reality is that this kid is going to br bragging about this to his friends when he's 30. If it were the other way around that wouldn't be the case. Women and men approach sex and have sex for different reasons.