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Since this is clearly not the case here it is irrelevant.

I know but his statement had to have the same sort of backdrop.

And what about the property owner's life? What if he felt his life was in jeapordy and kills someone because of it?
If he believed that this boy constituted a threat to him then he is obviously deluded and belongs in some kind of asylum.

Actually, more like involuntary manslaughter if the boy's death was accidental. That's the first thing the investigators have to look at.

Yeah, he might wriggle into manslaughter, but "he stepped on my property" is never going to be accepted as an excuse to use lethal force.

I didn't say that he discharged his weapon accidentally. I said the boy's death was probably an accident. We'll have to wait and see just what the investigators turn up.
Seriously, do you think someone fires a shotgun at the chest of a sixteen year old kid, twice from what is presumably a pretty close range - without trying to kill that kid?

I'm not a property owner.
Which is probably a good thing, considering the murder rate is already pretty high in the States.

... for all you murder apologists there ...
Of whom, if your posting history is any indication, you have already concluded I am one.

No, he can't. Feel free to link to where it says this in the law.

Actually yea one person can defend his property by shooting at someone if that someone is perceived as a threat to them. As I said, these incidences happen rarely.

Lucklily I was brought up to believe that killing is only justified in self-defense where there is an immediate and direct threat to my life or the lives of others.

Makes 2 of us.

Two. Rounds. In. The. FRIGGIN' CHEST! He shot TWICE! IN THE CHEST! AIMING FOR IT! Where the hell do you live that that would even remotely have a chance of being seen as manslaughter??

You can be shot in the chest and survive. It depends on where the bullets actually hit.

Of whom, if your posting history is any indication, you have already concluded I am one.
Don't make my life any easier than you already do...

Two. Rounds. In. The. FRIGGIN' CHEST! He shot TWICE! IN THE CHEST! AIMING FOR IT! Where the hell do you live that that would even remotely have a chance of being seen as manslaughter??
Unfortunately courts tend to be more lenient in sentencing than they often should be. Most murderers, rapists and heroin dealers don't even serve 10 years.

You can be shot in the chest and survive. It depends on where the bullets actually hit.
I'm willing to bet that's what the old guy figured. In fact, he knew that, if you shoot someone two times, and in the same spot, the chances of survival dramatically increase.

If he believed that this boy constituted a threat to him then he is obviously deluded and belongs in some kind of asylum.

Hey I'm just playin devil's advocate here. I don't think the shooting was justified myself.

Yeah, he might wriggle into manslaughter, but "he stepped on my property" is never going to be accepted as an excuse to use lethal force.

I agree 100%.

Actually, that isn't what I said. I said IN THIS CASE the boy's death was probably accidental. That is what the investigators are for. You have to investigate, gather the evidence, then present the evidence in court. This is how due process works. INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY! It is up to the prosecutor to put this guy away. Hopefully he'll have the evidence to do it too. Not quite accurate but close enough. That would be perceived as murder. At least I know the difference about walking across other peoples lawns.

You're still claiming that the death of a boy that took two to the chest was an accident. How would that possibly be an accident? And, since such an accident happens, it'll also be an accident if the boy's father fires two to the head of the fossil, right?

I don't walk on other people's lawns. In Brazil, they tend to have walls or fences anyways.

If he believed that this boy constituted a threat to him then he is obviously deluded and belongs in some kind of asylum.


Yeah, he might wriggle into manslaughter, but "he stepped on my property" is never going to be accepted as an excuse to use lethal force.
From the collected articles it looks like he'd be lucky to worm out of Murder One, as there is every indication that he planed to shoot the kid.

Seriously, do you think someone fires a shotgun at the chest of a sixteen year old kid, twice from what is presumably a pretty close range - without trying to kill that kid?

That's the other thing. What was the range that he shot at! Something else for the investigators to look at.

Which is probably a good thing, considering the murder rate is already pretty high in the States.

And what you may not believe is actually going DOWN! Well murder by guns that is.

Actually yea one person can defend his property by shooting at someone if that someone is perceived as a threat to them. As I said, these incidences happen rarely.
If he believed that this boy constituted a threat to him then he is obviously deluded and belongs in some kind of asylum.

Makes 2 of us.
Yet you are defending the use of lethal force where there was obviously no immediate or direct threat to the man's life. Strange that.

You can be shot in the chest and survive. It depends on where the bullets actually hit.

You can also survive attempted murder. It'd still be attempted murder. Not manslaughter. And attempted murder is the case here.

That's the other thing. What was the range that he shot at! Something else for the investigators to look at.
14 miles. He had a big lawn.

That's the other thing. What was the range that he shot at! Something else for the investigators to look at.
Well, I assume this all happened around that lawn. And I also think that the lawn wasn't much more than average size.

And what you may not believe is actually going DOWN! Well murder by guns that is.
Must be that law allowing the government to confiscate your property to build stuff on it.

Unfortunately courts tend to be more lenient in sentencing than they often should be. Most murderers, rapists and heroin dealers don't even serve 10 years.

Ain't that the sad and sorry truth :(

I'm willing to bet that's what the old guy figured. In fact, he knew that, if you shoot someone two times, and in the same spot, the chances of survival dramatically increase.

Manslaughter virus got you too, eh?

Hey I'm just playin devil's advocate here. I don't think the shooting was justified myself.
I am relieved to hear that.

sounds like my mom :p

Y'know, this only goes to show that strict gun control is of increasing necessity. Assuming you buy into the total crap notion that this could be, in any way shape or form, construed as an 'accident'.

From the collected articles it looks like he'd be lucky to worm out of Murder One, as there is every indication that he planed to shoot the kid.

Now if this is true, then he should be put away.

Manslaughter virus got you too, eh?
I was being ironic, dude.

If he believed that this boy constituted a threat to him then he is obviously deluded and belongs in some kind of asylum.

I actually agree with you.

Yet you are defending the use of lethal force where there was obviously no immediate or direct threat to the man's life. Strange that.

Just doing a little devils advocate. Someone had to take his side :D

You can also survive attempted murder. It'd still be attempted murder. Not manslaughter. And attempted murder is the case here.

Since the kid died, that can go up to murder unless of course a plea bargin is struck. We'll have to wait on that.

Now if this is true, then he should be put away.

I'll have to ask, I really do.

Corneliu... What exactly would have to happen to make you think this is NOT manslaughter? The guy aimed at the chest. With bullets. He fired at the chest. Twice. With bullets. Bullets are known by people to make holes in other people. What makes you think this was manslaughter?

I was being ironic, dude.

I know, so was I. Sorry not to clear that up.

Well, I assume this all happened around that lawn. And I also think that the lawn wasn't much more than average size.

I would intend to agree to this but they still have to see what the range of the shots were. For the courts you understand.

Must be that law allowing the government to confiscate your property to build stuff on it.

LOL!

I actually agree with you. Just doing a little devils advocate. Someone had to take his side :D

Some morons here took his side for REAL...

I am relieved to hear that.

Never had but still, it is rather pointless to tlak about something unless someone picks up the slack of the other side.

Y'know, this only goes to show that strict gun control is of increasing necessity.
Well, "OMG BAN GUNS!!!!" would be the emotional response to this crime. Fact remains though, that most gun owners are responsible. In America most criminals have guns, and law-abiding people sometimes need (legally owned) guns in order to defend themselves from criminals. Gun control policies almost never work to disarm criminals; only to disarm their victims.

http://www.a-human-right.com/

Y'know, this only goes to show that strict gun control is of increasing necessity. Assuming you buy into the total crap notion that this could be, in any way shape or form, construed as an 'accident'.

I don't believe it shows any such thing. The old guy is most likely going to spend the rest of his life in prison, where he belongs if everything in the article is accurate. That's the justice system. There are tens of millions of firearm owners who DON'T do things like this that shouldn't be punished for the actions of a very few.

Y'know, this only goes to show that strict gun control is of increasing necessity. Assuming you buy into the total crap notion that this could be, in any way shape or form, construed as an 'accident'.

And if you make gun laws stricter, crooks would be the only ones running around with the guns.

I know, so was I. Sorry not to clear that up.
I'm gonna have to shoot you.

I'm gonna have to shoot you.

Aww man! And I had just gotten this shirt washed! :(

I'll have to ask, I really do.

Corneliu... What exactly would have to happen to make you think this is NOT manslaughter?

As I said, I already believe it is manslaughter. Now the question is, will he be charged with Murders 1,2 or 3 or will he cop a deal for voluntary manslaughter? That is going to be left up to the DA and his attorney.

the guy aimed at the chest. With bullets. He fired at the chest. Twice. With bullets. Bullets are known by people to make holes in other people. What makes you think this was manslaughter?

I know there's a difference between murder and manslaughter. However, I dn't remember which is which exactly.

Some morons here took his side for REAL...

Im sure if I read all the pages I skipped (8 pages in 2 hours? *shudders*) I bet I would see that.

Aww man! And I had just gotten this shirt washed! :(
Arguing with me, you punk kid?

As I said, I already believe it is manslaughter. Now the question is, will he be charged with Murders 1,2 or 3 or will he cop a deal for voluntary manslaughter? That is going to be left up to the DA and his attorney.
I know there's a difference between murder and manslaughter. However, I dn't remember which is which exactly.

I asked the opposite question.

But let me get this straight: You don't know the difference between murder and manslaughter and you're saying what he did is manslaughter, not murder, though, again, you don't know the difference between them?

I know there's a difference between murder and manslaughter. However, I dn't remember which is which exactly.

Murder is intentional, manslaughter is unintentional.

It looks like the guy did intend to, at the very least severely injure this kid if not kill him outright.

Either way, odds are good the guy will spend the rest of his life in jail.

I asked the opposite question.

But let me get this straight: You don't know the difference between murder and manslaughter and you're saying what he did is manslaughter, not murder, though, again, you don't know the difference between them?

I'm assuming a plea deal will make it a manslaughter charge.

As I said, I already believe it is manslaughter. Now the question is, will he be charged with Murders 1,2 or 3 or will he cop a deal for voluntary manslaughter? That is going to be left up to the DA and his attorney.



I know there's a difference between murder and manslaughter. However, I dn't remember which is which exactly.
Oh man, where's Cat-Tribe when you need him. I've never heard of voluntary manslaughter, I believe that's called murder.

Manslaughter I believe is doing something that is not supposed to be lethal but through neglegence is. Aiming a shotgun and firing twice is going to be a hard sell...

Murder is intentional, manslaughter is unintentional.

It looks like the guy did intend to, at the very least severely injure this kid if not kill him outright.

Either way, odds are good the guy will spend the rest of his life in jail.

Yep, your probably right.

Oh man, where's Cat-Tribe when you need him. I've never heard of voluntary manslaughter, I believe that's called murder.

Manslaughter I believe is doing something that is not supposed to be lethal but through neglegence is. Aiming a shotgun and firing twice is going to be a hard sell...

We are talking about an old man here. You never can tell with lawyers and deals that are constently made.

And if you make gun laws stricter, crooks would be the only ones running around with the guns.
Well, maybe the crooks know better than to draw attention to themselves by blowing away the neighbour boy - EVER THINK OF THAT?

But seriously, you'll never know what life with gun control would actually be like until you try implementing it for once. Instead, you'll all spin "But what if-" excuses 'til you're either old and grey, or long-dead cause you looked the wrong way at some old man's fucking lawn.

I'm assuming a plea deal will make it a manslaughter charge.

I doubt it. The parents won't make that deal, the case is too easy.

Arguing with me, you punk kid?

Uhm... Nnnno? o_O

Well, maybe the crooks know better than to draw attention to themselves by blowing away the neighbour boy - EVER THINK OF THAT?

But seriously, you'll never know what life with gun control would actually be like until you try implementing it for once. Instead, you'll all spin "But what if-" excuses 'til you're either old and grey, or long-dead cause you looked the wrong way at some old man's fucking lawn.

Actualy, it has been tried and we found out that it actually doesn't work. Imagine that.

I doubt it. The parents won't make that deal, the case is too easy.

Unfortunately, its not up to the parents. Its up to the DA and the Defense attorney.

Ach! I walk across lawns every day going home from school. :eek:

typical

a crazed neocon nazi Bush-bot shoots an infant that accidentally crawled onto his bloodsoaked lawn

Well, maybe the crooks know better than to draw attention to themselves by blowing away the neighbour boy - EVER THINK OF THAT?

But seriously, you'll never know what life with gun control would actually be like until you try implementing it for once. Instead, you'll all spin "But what if-" excuses 'til you're either old and grey, or long-dead cause you looked the wrong way at some old man's fucking lawn.
I honestly think it's our "I've got a gun, fuck you!" attitude about guns, our culture more than it is guns themselves. There are countries without gun control that don't have the same problems we do. But you see people here celebrating concealed carry laws as making people more polite becuase someone might have a gun, essentially advocating that pulling a pistol on someone who didn't cover his mouth when he sneezed-that's a fucked up attitude about guns. That's really the problem, and I don't know that there is a fix.

a crazed neocon nazi Bush-bot shoots an infant that accidentally crawled onto his bloodsoaked lawn
http://www.gape.org/sonce/svetpogovorov/vzivo/chat/images/smilies/rofl.gif

Actualy, it has been tried and we found out that it actually doesn't work. Imagine that.
WHAT?

WHAT?
Who the fuck knows.

Wouldn't it have been easier if the man had simply told the boy to take off his shoes while he was on his lawn?

WHAT?

look at D.C.

Wouldn't it have been easier if the man had simply told the boy to take off his shoes while he was on his lawn?
its not like his lawn is his living room carpet--the way these neocons fetishize property is beyond perverted:rolleyes:

beyond perverted
decadent.

its not like his lawn is his living room carpet--the way these neocons fetishize property is beyond perverted:rolleyes:

100% agree - i don't get how people can hold property in such high regard that they can justify using lethal force to defend it. shooting the kid in the foot would have been unjustifed. a warning shot over the head would maybe have been okay but then there's the risk of stray shot and unless you'r a ballistics expert you can't know where the shot will eventually fall to earth. i'd say the maximum use of force justifiable for the old guy was giving the kid a clip round the ear - better still talk to the parents or a elicit help from a friendly neighbour, last resort call the police.

100% agree - i don't get how people can hold property in such high regard that they can justify using lethal force to defend it. shooting the kid in the foot would have been unjustifed. a warning shot over the head would maybe have been okay but then there's the risk of stray shot and unless you'r a ballistics expert you can't know where the shot will eventually fall to earth. i'd say the maximum use of force justifiable for the old guy was giving the kid a clip round the ear - better still talk to the parents or a elicit help from a friendly neighbour, last resort call the police.
Or a nice American white picket fence...

A cowboyesque take on property.
No, they would have settled their "tensions" the way they did on Brokeback Mountain if that were the case.

*dedicated to Stone Bridges :D *

No, they would have settled their "tensions" the way they did on Brokeback Mountain if that were the case.

*dedicated to Stone Bridges :D *

Okay, I have nothing against gays (am straight), but an old man going at it with a boy makes me wanna puke... :P

Oh man, where's Cat-Tribe when you need him. I've never heard of voluntary manslaughter, I believe that's called murder.

Manslaughter I believe is doing something that is not supposed to be lethal but through neglegence is. Aiming a shotgun and firing twice is going to be a hard sell...
There exists such a thing in some jurisdictions. It's basically murder with circumstances that mitigate it.

There exists such a thing in some jurisdictions. It's basically murder with circumstances that mitigate it.

And are there ANY in this case? I don't think so unless they include "I'm a senile evil old man that has an itchy trigger finger".

And are there ANY in this case? I don't think so unless they include "I'm a senile evil old man that has an itchy trigger finger".
Nope. If I was the DA, I'd go for murder one.

Nope. If I was the DA, I'd go for murder one.

Is there such a thing as murder zero? I'd go for it. :p

There exists such a thing in some jurisdictions. It's basically murder with circumstances that mitigate it.
I'm willing to bet the state of the man's lawn won't mitigate this particular set of circumstances.
If I was the DA, I'd go for murder one.
I think you'd be right to do so.

Is there such a thing as murder zero? I'd go for it. :p

no there isn't a murder zero :D

Nope. If I was the DA, I'd go for murder one.

Yep. I'm sure that is what the DA is going to go for.

Okay, I have nothing against gays (am straight), but an old man going at it with a boy makes me wanna puke... :P
Perhaps consider skipping some of William S. Burroughs's works. :eek:

Perhaps consider skipping some of William S. Burroughs's works. :eek:
Oh man...

100% agree - i don't get how people can hold property in such high regard that they can justify using lethal force to defend it. shooting the kid in the foot would have been unjustifed. a warning shot over the head would maybe have been okay but then there's the risk of stray shot and unless you'r a ballistics expert you can't know where the shot will eventually fall to earth. i'd say the maximum use of force justifiable for the old guy was giving the kid a clip round the ear - better still talk to the parents or a elicit help from a friendly neighbour, last resort call the police.
the Bush-bots are losing grip with reality and they think we are ALL in Iraq now and its not gonna be long before they start hunting us

Nope. If I was the DA, I'd go for murder one.

yeah me too

Or a nice American white picket fence...
well if i was going to subject you all to my fully thought out opinions on property even this would be too much unless there were animals to be kept in or out or perhaps marauding hordes on the rampage. but in the context of today, yes i would probably have advised the old man to get a fence first of all if he had a problem with people walking on his lawn.

Nope. If I was the DA, I'd go for murder one.
The defense will most likely go for an insanity plea.

yeah me too


well if i was going to subject you all to my fully thought out opinions on property even this would be too much unless there were animals to be kept in or out or perhaps marauding hordes on the rampage. but in the context of today, yes i would probably have advised the old man to get a fence first of all if he had a problem with people walking on his lawn.
I would tend to agree, but when you're dealing with a guy who measures the blades of grass...

I would tend to agree, but when you're dealing with a guy who measures the blades of grass...
LOL!

Yup ... insanity plea for certain! :D

Wow...talk about grumpy old men.

Oh man...
Well, not ALL of them.

if im paying "x" amount to be a property owner. it's because i want to have something nice. you punk kids keep of my lawn. property is property.

The defense will most likely go for an insanity plea.

does insanity excuse you of murder? i thought that would just affect where the time is served not the charge. an insane murderer is still a murderer surely? if they weren't practically any seriel killer would get away with it.

Bush is appointing Insane Judges to our courts everyday

if im paying "x" amount to be a property owner. it's because i want to have something nice. you punk kids keep of my lawn. property is property.

property is theft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_is_theft)
:p

property is theft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_is_theft)
:p
Oh, that wacky Mutualist. He also said that Property is Freedom, lol (oh wait, it mentions that in the article as well... yet another lol)

the Bush-bots are losing grip with reality and they think we are ALL in Iraq now and its not gonna be long before they start hunting us

You do sound alot like MKULTRA. This is something that he would say.

The defense will most likely go for an insanity plea.

I doubt it'll work.

I doubt it'll work.
I doubt it as well, but they'll most likely try.

You do sound alot like MKULTRA. This is something that he would say.
Hey, don't you owe MKULTRA $9.53 US for that failed business venture way-back-when?

does insanity excuse you of murder?

Look up the Twinki Defense.

i thought that would just affect where the time is served not the charge. an insane murderer is still a murderer surely? if they weren't practically any seriel killer would get away with it.

If he is proven to be insane, he can be found guilty but insane and wind up in a mental institution.

Oh, that wacky Mutualist. He also said that Property is Freedom, lol (oh wait, it mentions that in the article as well... yet another lol)

yeah P-J P was a funny one. i'm more of a syndicalist or anarcho communist if i have to be classified but i do think proudhon had a way with words :D

Look up the Twinki Defense.



If he is proven to be insane, he can be found guilty but insane and wind up in a mental institution.

ah, righto. does Twinki include insanity tho? cuz wikipedia only mentions biological agents causing abnormal behaviour leading to an offence.

You do sound alot like MKULTRA. This is something that he would say.
You sound exactly like Corneliu disagreeing with MKUTRA:gundge:

What's a lac?

my bad..should have read lac's but i was running late for work and rushing.

l.a.c.= law.abiding.citizen.

I doubt it as well, but they'll most likely try.
Its all they have ...

Its all they have ...
Probably. They certainly can't claim self-defense.

wait what exactly was the kid doing on his lawn

if im paying "x" amount to be a property owner. it's because i want to have something nice. you punk kids keep of my lawn. property is property.The cute thing is, at any point, it can *still* be taken away from you, no matter HOW MUCH you've paid!
And i mean something *older* than the current ruling upheld by SCOTUS.

wait what exactly was the kid doing on his lawn
The article said ... may want to spend a few seconds reading it as well as some of the links and extra info posted

His lawn wasn't that nice. Had brown patches, probably to much phosphorus in the fertalizer.

His lawn wasn't that nice. Had brown patches, probably to much phosphorus in the fertalizer.
I saw the same thing ... it was like WTF no way that was meticulous

What a tragedy. Truly is a tragedy.

You sound exactly like Corneliu disagreeing with MKUTRA:gundge:

Perhaps its because *ahem* I am? *gasp* :eek:

Man Kills Teen for Walking on Lawn, Police Say (http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060320205409990001&ncid=NWS00010000000001)

Man, don't we just love it when psychotically grumpy old military-worshipping men who value their obcessive-compulsive lawn a lot more than human life think shooting a kid is justifiable homicide?

Sounds like it's time for some serious prison time. I say lock him up and throw away the key, the police should have been called and documents made of every incident rather than do this. Especially when it is over a trivial stupid BS matter as this.

Is anyone concerned that all he people defending this guy vehemently oppose gun control and support carrying a gun on their person?

And they wonder why "evil" liberals support gun regulation. :rolleyes:


Who gives a fuck about your experience? We are talking about the news piece.

ummm...i think i stated on the second page it was insane and abhorrant,yet i am vehemently against gun control for a myriad of other reasons.

and i am far from a conservative(maybe fiscal)but quite liberal in most social aspects)mostly a libertarian,but i digress.

and you wonder why legal gun owners roll their eyes at liberals?

because you imply that only conservative gun nuts own guns...nice sweeping indictment of everyone,even if unfounded..sure makes a nice quip or soundbite!

shame on you...to push your narrow agenda you impugn hundreds of thousands of law abiding gun owners,and a vast majority vote democrat.

just to make an unsubstaniated...and as shown...non factual accusation, even to this thread.

thats why the likes of bush get into office..because the dems put out handwringing,anti constitutional..nanny staters,and at least the repug's dont blatantly try to usurp my rights as a gun owner to satisfy the fringe element of their party.

kinda the polar opposite of the neocons...but the same bullshit...just that until the dems produce a mainstream candidate..not beholden to the fringe of the party(n.y. liberal elite contributors come to mind)they will still lose.

your little sneaky try at painting gun owners as conservative nuts...is no worse then the far rights attempt to paint any discoarse as being unpatriotic...both are intellectually dishonest to the point of nausea...congrats..you gave me another reason to dissmiss the left for the blatant hypocracy they have...just like the neocons..but at least i have the right to protect myself.

rant off..damn...talk about lying to make a point..just cause it hurts someone/something you dont like,unless you didn't bother to read most of the posts.

if you did,and bothered to ask most gun owners...they as i ,would be appalled,and demand the man in question be taken away from society.

there is NO exscuse for shooting someone on your lawn unless in fear of your life..but i said that on page 2 of this thread!:headbang:

The kid shouldn't have been on the man's lawn after the man repeatedly asked him to stay off. That's common courtesy.

The man shouldn't have shot a kid for stepping on his lawn. That's common sense.

A regular case of dumb and dumber(crazier?). The punishments aren't at all fair, death for tresspassing versus life imprisonment/15 years (depending on the degree) for shooting a kid, but neither of them seem like intelligent people.

isnt it always sad when a kid gets killed.

its always "*sob* the kid was always a nice boy, he wouldnt do anything to bother anyone *sob*" play it off like they were innocent and then all of a sudden grumpy old guy comes out of no where a shoots the kid.

i heard the 911 call on tv, the report you posted says "saying calmly: "I just killed a kid."" while on the tape, he called he sounded upset to me, it certainly wasnt "yeah theres a dead body on my lawn, come get it off"

edit: i truely have no sympathy for the boy
*CanuckHeaven jots down posters name, and shakes head in disbelief. :(

Perhaps its because *ahem* I am? *gasp* :eek:
So, Corny, do you have anything to do with Romulus Os getting his thread locked a little bit ago? Just askin'.

he has been told to stay off the yard many times before, he was there just to annoy the hell out of the old man, if you keep pushing and pushing someone, you have to expect them to snap someday. and the old man did. and the boy paid the price for being an asshole
Might makes right huh? Sad commentary to say the least.

Might makes right huh? Sad commentary to say the least.

For once I agree with you Canuck.

wait what exactly was the kid doing on his lawn
Looking at the picture of how their houses are lined up:
http://cmsimg.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=AB&Date=20060321&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=603210334&Ref=H3&MaxW=315&border=1
probably just cutting across to get home-regular kid pedistrian activity.

WARNING: CHEAP SHOT AT AMERICAN (SPECIFICLY FORD) CARS APPROACHING

And, if that's what maticulous lawn care produces from this 30 year long employee of Ford then it certainly explains a lot about the quality of thier cars...

So, Corny, do you have anything to do with Romulus Os getting his thread locked a little bit ago? Just askin'.
Romulus Os was Skapedro? Aahahahahahahahahaha! ROFLMFAO!!!!

Oh God, that's rich! :D

Romulus Os was Skapedro? Aahahahahahahahahaha! ROFLMFAO!!!!

Oh God, that's rich! :D
Well, several posters and apparently a MOD or two seem to think so. And s/he didn't apparently make a convincing enough argument otherwise. At least for one thread.

BTW, that's why that "DOS" thread came up, in my estimation.

Well, several posters and apparently a MOD or two seem to think so. And s/he didn't apparently make a convincing enough argument otherwise. At least for one thread.

BTW, that's why that "DOS" thread came up, in my estimation.
Demented lil twit, he was. Heh!

Demented lil twit, he was. Heh!
Maybe demented, but not evil. You know s/he could liven up *any* thread, in a fashion!

This person should be locked up for the rest of his life as should anyone else who feels it's appropriate to use deadly force in defense of property (which likely wasn't even threatened). The only time to use deadly force is when death would likely result without it's use as well (i.e. self-defense).

Man Kills Teen for Walking on Lawn, Police Say (http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060320205409990001&ncid=NWS00010000000001)

Man, don't we just love it when psychotically grumpy old military-worshipping men who value their obcessive-compulsive lawn a lot more than human life think shooting a kid is justifiable homicide?
First I read nothing in the article about the military, so just stick that comment right back squarely up your ass.

Second you have no idea what that old man may have been dealing with from those people, and the little 6th grade school photo is nice--but spare me.

Welcome to the Midwest, this old man wasn't a surprise. They knew him, the kid fecked with him and he got what he got.

Maybe if the snotty little brat had been smacked in the mouth a little more he would have figured he wasnt king of the world and he would be breathing right now.

But instead he ignored the old man's requests and for his lack of manners and respect he is a corpse...good.

It is just a shame more snotty little teenage fecks who act like jackasses and then cry "I'm a minor, you cant touch me" don't get blown away just for GP.

I hope the old bastard gets let go and shoots the kids mother too.

And no I am not joking or baiting...that is my sincere and honest opinion.

First I read nothing in the article about the military, so just stick that comment right back squarely up your ass.

Second you have no idea what that old man may have been dealing with from those people, and the little 6th grade school photo is nice--but spare me.

Welcome to the Midwest, this old man wasn't a surprise. They knew him, the kid fecked with him and he got what he got.

Maybe if the snotty little brat had been smacked in the mouth a little more he would have figured he wasnt king of the world and he would be breathing right now.

But instead he ignored the old man's requests and for his lack of manners and respect he is a corpse...good.

It is just a shame more snotty little teenage fecks who act like jackasses and then cry "I'm a minor, you cant touch me" don't get blown away just for GP.

I hope the old bastard gets let go and shoots the kids mother too.

And no I am not joking or baiting...that is my sincere and honest opinion.


You have a right to your opinion

Thankfully most people are are a bit more reasonable and this old man will be locked saftly away where he can not harm anyone else

So, Corny, do you have anything to do with Romulus Os getting his thread locked a little bit ago? Just askin'.

What thread?

I hope the old bastard gets let go and shoots the kids mother too.

And no I am not joking or baiting...that is my sincere and honest opinion.
Wow, you advocate murder. How pleasant. :rolleyes:

I guess you decided to read a whole lot into the story that isn't there, and then let go with your own anger and rage. I do hope that you don't own a gun.

Wow, you advocate murder. How pleasant. :rolleyes:

I guess you decided to read a whole lot into the story that isn't there, and then let go with your own anger and rage. I do hope that you don't own a gun.
I was thinking the same thing

Usualy I am pro freedom but sometimes the thought of people with a mentality like that being able to legaly possess one makes me shudder.

I was thinking the same thing

Usualy I am pro freedom but sometimes the thought of people with a mentality like that being able to legaly possess one makes me shudder.
Yup. He sure sounds like he would act in a similar way as the old guy did. Sad, very sad.

How much you like to bet that he didn't actually ment to kill him?

I was taught that one should never, never, never aim a firearm at anything that one does not fully intend to destroy. The action of aiming the firearm at the boy is alone proof of intent to commit homicide. Edit: And the type of ammunition used is irrelevant. While I support gun rights 110%, for both sport and self-defense applications, I also recognize and respect the fact that ultimately the purpose of a firearm is to punch holes in things, this recognition and respect being vital to my ability to enjoy the hobby in a safe manner (tangent: being a firearms enthusiast does not mean I advocate or am indifferent to violence or murder! :mad: :headbang:). And any reasonable and responsible individual can recognize the fact that putting holes in people is likely to result in death.

I was taught that one should never, never, never aim a firearm at anything that one does not fully intend to destroy. The action of aiming the firearm at the boy is alone proof of intent to commit homocide.

Corneliu is also under the impression that shotguns are like Star Trek Phasers and come with a Stun setting. Now if the old man had access to riot control beanbag shots (which far as I know are available only to military and police) that would be one thing... but you don't hit people with pellet shot and expect to not have any chance of dying at all.

Oh by the way Dissonant Cognition, Forrest said I had you. Have we met before? :D

Oh by the way Dissonant Cognition, Forrest said I had you. Have we met before? :D
Huh? WTF are you on about now???

Huh? WTF are you on about now???

You mean this?

What fascinates me is the level of cognitive dissonance with which you can live. You can tolerate any number of demented ( even psychotic ) acts, so long as they're comitted by leftists. But let one poor, old, lonely man go over the edge and he's a "psychotically grumpy old military-worshipping" man. There was no indication that the man was ever a veteran or "military-worshipping" in any manner.

I have decided that you shall be the very first person on my heretofore non-existent ignore list. Congratulations! :)

Wow, not only are you junta-happy and disingenuous Forrest, you're also a liar with memory lapses.

:rolleyes:

In the man's own defense.

I was 15 once and one of my friends lived right next to someone who was real anal about their lawn, we made sure to everyday when we walked down to my friend's house to cut across his neighbors yard, just to annoy the person who lived there. I am willing to bet this is a similar situation, this neighbor was just a little more anal than mine.

In the man's own defense.

I was 15 once and one of my friends lived right next to someone who was real anal about their lawn, we made sure to everyday when we walked down to my friend's house to cut across his neighbors yard, just to annoy the person who lived there. I am willing to bet this is a similar situation, this neighbor was just a little more anal than mine.

And you don't find the possible prospect of your neighbor having suddenly appointing himself Judge, Jury and Executioner to declare walking on grass a Capital Offense disturbing at all? The kid wasn't even ON the lawn, much less intending to commit harm when he was murdered.

The man is guilty, obviously, he admitted it himself and I think he should be punished, but I was just saying that he is probably telling the truth when he said he felt harrassed by them. He obviusly cared for his lawn and took great care of it and someone came along and did things that he felt were harmful to it. I mean, if you had something that you cared for very deeply and somebody was trying to harm it wouldn't you get upset? It's probably OCD or something, I have seen people absolutely flip out because one thing was out of place, they trashed the room and then spent hours cleaning it up, cursing the whole time.

The man is guilty, obviously, he admitted it himself and I think he should be punished, but I was just saying that he is probably telling the truth when he said he felt harrassed by them. He obviusly cared for his lawn and took great care of it and someone came along and did things that he felt were harmful to it. I mean, if you had something that you cared for very deeply and somebody was trying to harm it wouldn't you get upset?

Valuing a stretch of inanimate objects over a human life is much better definition of "Cognitive Dissonance" than what has been attempted to be applied to me. It's just me but for the most part human life is a lot more important than a lawn that's going to die on its own eventually. The old fart's basically John DuPont without the money. Bat-shit insane and should be kept away from all forms of weaponry.

What thread?
His "reality" one ... you know, the obviously *locked* one.

And no I am not joking or baiting...that is my sincere and honest opinion.

You have an incorrect opinion.

I was taught that one should never, never, never aim a firearm at anything that one does not fully intend to destroy.

And yet more people are wounded by gunshots than are killed by gunshots. You can shoot to wound you know and if you bothered to read the whole thread, you would know that I was playing devil's advocate.

The action of aiming the firearm at the boy is alone proof of intent to commit homicide.

Ok, here's a question. What if the kid wanted to hurt him and he was killed in the same way? Is it still homicide?

Corneliu is also under the impression that shotguns are like Star Trek Phasers and come with a Stun setting.

:rolleyes: I know what a gun can do Gauthier. Unlike you probably, I have fired off rifles, at a rifle range, on an Army base.

His "reality" one ... you know, the obviously *locked* one.

Sorry Straughn but I honestly have no idea what your going on about!

Corneliu is also under the impression that shotguns are like Star Trek Phasers and come with a Stun setting. Now if the old man had access to riot control beanbag shots (which far as I know are available only to military and police) that would be one thing... but you don't hit people with pellet shot and expect to not have any chance of dying at all.



Just to digress. "beanbag" rounds and similar are available to the public in most states. There are quite a few different types. I have some that are filled w/ cyane(sp?) pepper.

Maybe if the snotty little brat had been smacked in the mouth a little more he would have figured he wasnt king of the world and he would be breathing right now.

Maybe if the grumpy old man had been smacked in the mouth a little more he would have figured he out that he wasn't the king of the world and he wouldn't have killed someone for walking over his lawn.

Wow, not only are you junta-happy and disingenuous Forrest, you're also a liar with memory lapses.

:rolleyes:
There is no need for that tone. Although you may accuse individual of lying, please err on the side of statement of fact, rather than insult.

First I read nothing in the article about the military, so just stick that comment right back squarely up your ass.

Second you have no idea what that old man may have been dealing with from those people, and the little 6th grade school photo is nice--but spare me.

Welcome to the Midwest, this old man wasn't a surprise. They knew him, the kid fecked with him and he got what he got.

Maybe if the snotty little brat had been smacked in the mouth a little more he would have figured he wasnt king of the world and he would be breathing right now.

But instead he ignored the old man's requests and for his lack of manners and respect he is a corpse...good.

It is just a shame more snotty little teenage fecks who act like jackasses and then cry "I'm a minor, you cant touch me" don't get blown away just for GP.

I hope the old bastard gets let go and shoots the kids mother too.

And no I am not joking or baiting...that is my sincere and honest opinion.

you have a right to your opinion, i have a right to mine. here's mine: you're a sociopathic nutcase and if there was a system of pre-emptive incarceration (heaven forbid) i'd hope you'd be the first to be locked up to stop you ever having the opportunity to practice what you preach.
i believe this is called 'flaming' and i'm sorry for that but sometimes it just needs to be done

Never had but still, it is rather pointless to tlak about something unless someone picks up the slack of the other side.
I really don't think that this should be a debated issue. The only reason that this thread turned into one is because of Gauthier's (the OP) successful attempt to turn it into a liberal vs. conservative issue.

But seriously, you'll never know what life with gun control would actually be like until you try implementing it for once. Instead, you'll all spin "But what if-" excuses 'til you're either old and grey, or long-dead cause you looked the wrong way at some old man's fucking lawn.
Gun control has been tried many times in America and other places. Most of the time it has not reduced crime.

does insanity excuse you of murder? i thought that would just affect where the time is served not the charge. an insane murderer is still a murderer surely? if they weren't practically any seriel killer would get away with it.
I think normally when insanity is pleaded they get put in an asylum instead of a prison.

But instead he ignored the old man's requests and for his lack of manners and respect he is a corpse...good.

I hope the old bastard gets let go and shoots the kids mother too.

And no I am not joking or baiting...that is my sincere and honest opinion.
Yes, you are, you're trolling!

I saw the same thing ... it was like WTF no way that was meticulous
Must be all those punk kids walking across it, wearing it down.

typical

a crazed neocon nazi Bush-bot shoots an infant that accidentally crawled onto his bloodsoaked lawn
Thanks, this thread needed some comic relief!
the Bush-bots are losing grip with reality and they think we are ALL in Iraq now and its not gonna be long before they start hunting us

Sorry Straughn but I honestly have no idea what your going on about!
Corny, i'm not "going on" about it. I figured you'd know. You don't. My bad. I expected too much.

we just see things differently, I say shoot the kid right there

You have a very poor view of human life. I take it then you wouldnt mind being shot by treading an inch onto someone elses property

You have a very poor view of human life. I take it then you wouldnt mind being shot by treading an inch onto someone elses property
Remember, this is the "American conservative" you're dealing with. Killing is good as long as it's after birth.

Man Kills Teen for Walking on Lawn, Police Say (http://articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060320205409990001&ncid=NWS00010000000001)

Man, don't we just love it when psychotically grumpy old military-worshipping men who value their obcessive-compulsive lawn a lot more than human life think shooting a kid is justifiable homicide?
Braindea retards like this really belong on the electrical chair! :mad:

First I read nothing in the article about the military, so just stick that comment right back squarely up your ass.

Second you have no idea what that old man may have been dealing with from those people, and the little 6th grade school photo is nice--but spare me.

Welcome to the Midwest, this old man wasn't a surprise. They knew him, the kid fecked with him and he got what he got.

Maybe if the snotty little brat had been smacked in the mouth a little more he would have figured he wasnt king of the world and he would be breathing right now.

But instead he ignored the old man's requests and for his lack of manners and respect he is a corpse...good.

It is just a shame more snotty little teenage fecks who act like jackasses and then cry "I'm a minor, you cant touch me" don't get blown away just for GP.

I hope the old bastard gets let go and shoots the kids mother too.

And no I am not joking or baiting...that is my sincere and honest opinion.

No, you're not, you're trolling. But, since offense is what you want, offense is what you'll get.

You're an un-person. Your mother shouldn't have the right to live, let alone reproduce and create you. You don't belong among us, actual people, unless you are there for slave labor. You should be killed, but not before being tortured for a nice, long while. The same goes for your family. You're a psychopath, a perverse non-human being.

And, to quote everyone's favorite piece of fecal matter that manages to type in a PC:

And no I am not joking or baiting...that is my sincere and honest opinion.