NationStates Jolt Archive

ok, i've been wanting to get this off my chest for sometime, so here it goes.

i take the city bus to school, and day after day the few white people on the bus are verbally abused and sometimes even phsically threatened by the african americans on the bus. i just want to be the first to say it: US WHITE PEOPLE ARE SORRY OK?

i mean seriously, we live in a new generation, alot of the racism that is in society now is either in the south, or the black people take their anger at their situation on white people or eachother. We are sorry that your situation is not the same as many of ours, but that is no reason to verbally abuse people in public, or stalk them or whatever. i'm particularily pissed when they do this to those white people who have decided not to move out to the subs where all the white people ran when blacks began moving into the neiborhoods. your anger is at those who are racists towards you, and if we are living near you, one can logicly believe that we dont hate you.

and another thing. you will never hear (at least in the north to my knowledge) a white person say any of the "N words", while blacks have no problem aiming not only these remarks at eachother, but new slang about white people which i will not post here because i believe that there are some people under the "appropiate age" here w/e the f$%& that means anymore. but, would this lead you to believe that WE FEEL GUILITY?!?! i mean jeeze, how many different ways to we have to show that we feel sorry? give everyone 10,000 just to back the f&%* off? if we are suppostedly deserving of this blame, then we would be out there screaming "BLACK PEOPLE SUCK! F&%$ OFF N*****S!"

why do you feel this way?

Snip all the useless steriotyping

would be out there screaming "BLACK PEOPLE SUCK! F&%$ OFF N*****S!"

why do you feel this way?
Ive heard that shouted before

Sence it was by a white person does that mean all white people are racist

NO

But you seem to draw the reverse conclusion from a small sample of personal experience.

US WHITE PEOPLE ARE SORRY OK?
I'm not. Never having owned a slave or denied someone a position based on their race (my family has never had those opportunities either. Perhaps the only two immoral things my ancestors never did was enter Human Resources or own a plantation) I have nothing to apologize for. And since most African-Americans probably haven't suffered either in their lives, they have nothing to demand an apology for.
and another thing. you will never hear (at least in the north to my knowledge) a white person say any of the "N words"
You mean like, "Nicaraguan", "Nigerian", or "Nathaniel Hawthorne"? I hate those words too.

I'd respond to the rest, but I couldn't think of any other flippant remarks in the 57.4 seconds I spent thinking about this post.

I'm not. Never having owned a slave or denied someone a position based on their race (my family has never had those opportunities either. Perhaps the only two immoral things my ancestors never did was enter Human Resources or own a plantation) I have nothing to apologize for. And since most African-Americans probably haven't suffered either in their lives, they have nothing to demand an apology for.
Pretty much my view on it.

Ive heard that shouted before

Sence it was by a white person does that mean all white people are racist

NO

But you seem to draw the reverse conclusion from a small sample of personal experience.

i've never said that all white people are racist. i said that the way i have seen white people treated by black people, they act like they seem to believe that white people deserve the treatment that we recive from them

Anger keeps the blood warm. You've got to have some sort of enemy to feel powerful, and in some black people's case that enemy is white. It's a major fuel behind rap. That doesn't mean anyone thinks the bias is justified, people just find it enjoyable to feel righteous towards others. Everyone does it to someone.

i've never said that all white people are racist. i said that the way i have seen white people treated by black people, they act like they seem to believe that white people deserve the treatment that we recive from them
I think you missed my point so I will dumb it down some

Cause some black dudes talk shit or feel entitled does not mean they are nor are they representative of their entire race like you seem to stereotype them as.

So even simpler

Some jackass saying shit does not mean everyone else feels that way

I think you missed my point so I will dumb it down some

Cause some black dudes talk shit or feel entitled does not mean they are nor are they representative of their entire race like you seem to stereotype them as.

So even simpler

Some jackass saying shit does not mean everyone else feels that way


I'm not quite getting it. Could you simplify it just once more please?

Now, I don't care what race you are-- rascism is wrong. Tell those kids to shut up and leave you alone. You aren't calling THEM names, are you?

Now, of course not all African-Americans are like that. These ones... are. Just as there are stupid white people. So go right ahead. To quote the Mentat, "Show no mercy here!"

ok, i've been wanting to get this off my chest for sometime, so here it goes.

i take the city bus to school, and day after day the few white people on the bus are verbally abused and sometimes even phsically threatened by the african americans on the bus. i just want to be the first to say it: US WHITE PEOPLE ARE SORRY OK?

i mean seriously, we live in a new generation, alot of the racism that is in society now is either in the south, or the black people take their anger at their situation on white people or eachother. We are sorry that your situation is not the same as many of ours, but that is no reason to verbally abuse people in public, or stalk them or whatever. i'm particularily pissed when they do this to those white people who have decided not to move out to the subs where all the white people ran when blacks began moving into the neiborhoods. your anger is at those who are racists towards you, and if we are living near you, one can logicly believe that we dont hate you.

and another thing. you will never hear (at least in the north to my knowledge) a white person say any of the "N words", while blacks have no problem aiming not only these remarks at eachother, but new slang about white people which i will not post here because i believe that there are some people under the "appropiate age" here w/e the f$%& that means anymore. but, would this lead you to believe that WE FEEL GUILITY?!?! i mean jeeze, how many different ways to we have to show that we feel sorry? give everyone 10,000 just to back the f&%* off? if we are suppostedly deserving of this blame, then we would be out there screaming "BLACK PEOPLE SUCK! F&%$ OFF N*****S!"

why do you feel this way?

I agree, 100%. We can't help the views our great great great great grandparents had. Also, the blacks living today were never in slavery.

I'm not quite getting it. Could you simplify it just once more please?
1 d00d =/= 4ll t3h d00dz.

I'm not quite getting it. Could you simplify it just once more please?
Sure the non leet version

Few guys != Entire race

The poor white people.

everybody's racist. If you tell me you don't have even a slightest preference of one race over another, then you are lying. However, this doesn't mean we can treat people like shit. When you push around someone your own colour, it's just abuse, but when it's people of other colour, it's suddenly racism? This is just stupid. Have you ever considered that maybe those people just don't like the other person, and wants to push him around? (i'm not supporting violence, just trying to make a point.) So maybe you should stop defining everybody by their colour and immediately dictate it as a racist thing even though it might not be.

everybody's racist. If you tell me you don't have even a slightest preference of one race over another, then you are lying. However, this doesn't mean we can treat people like shit. When you push around someone your own colour, it's just abuse, but when it's people of other colour, it's suddenly racism? This is just stupid. Have you ever considered that maybe those people just don't like the other person, and wants to push him around? (i'm not supporting violence, just trying to make a point.) So maybe you should stop defining everybody by their colour and immediately dictate it as a racist thing even though it might not be.
Agreed for the most part

Some people are just jackasses

Sure the non leet version

Few guys != Entire race
Leet makes everything simpler, easier and more basic. Purifying the sentiments expressed of all but the crudest trace of wit or subtely, leaving only a wasteland of blunt minimalism with its sole meaning laid bare such that not even a dead otter could miss it.

Leet makes everything simpler, easier and more basic. Purifying the sentiments expressed of all but the crudest trace of wit or subtely, leaving only a wasteland of blunt minimalism with its sole meaning laid bare such that not even a dead otter could miss it.


I dunno.....I think you guys might have to draw a picture for me.

Leet makes everything simpler, easier and more basic. Purifying the sentiments expressed of all but the crudest trace of wit or subtely, leaving only a wasteland of blunt minimalism with its sole meaning laid bare such that not even a dead otter could miss it.

basically, l33t = pwn :p

Racism is schism on a serious tip

ok! comment time!

Now, I don't care what race you are-- rascism is wrong. Tell those kids to shut up and leave you alone. You aren't calling THEM names, are you?

Now, of course not all African-Americans are like that. These ones... are. Just as there are stupid white people. So go right ahead. To quote the Mentat, "Show no mercy here!"


idk about you, but i have been "jumped" before. and for no good reason. i have no intention of bringing that upon me again. and no, i have not been calling them names, because i am the only white person in my neiborhood under the age of 45 within a mile of my house and i am willing to bet that if i showed my self as racist i would get in a WHOLE LOT of troble. hell, these guys almost killed my mom because they blamed her for totaling their car, even though she had the go-ahead

Cause some black dudes talk shit or feel entitled does not mean they are nor are they representative of their entire race like you seem to stereotype them as.
Some jackass saying shit does not mean everyone else feels that way

yes, i realize that. i am just drawing conclusions from my 17 years and 15 states (and 2 countries) of experiance

I'm not. Never having owned a slave or denied someone a position based on their race (my family has never had those opportunities either. Perhaps the only two immoral things my ancestors never did was enter Human Resources or own a plantation) I have nothing to apologize for. And since most African-Americans probably haven't suffered either in their lives, they have nothing to demand an apology for.


i mean white people AS A WHOLE, i'm sure at least a fair portion of white people feel some guilt for how they or their parents treated blacks during the 60s. i mean, i know that my grandfather was a racist, thank god i didn't have him to influence me, he died before i was born

Hehehe. I'm glad I don't belong to a "race."

ok! comment time!




idk about you, but i have been "jumped" before. and for no good reason. i have no intention of bringing that upon me again. and no, i have not been calling them names, because i am the only white person in my neiborhood under the age of 45 within a mile of my house and i am willing to bet that if i showed my self as racist i would get in a WHOLE LOT of troble. hell, these guys almost killed my mom because they blamed her for totaling their car, even though she had the go-ahead

---snippified---



If this is true, you've got to move or get police.

If this is true, you've got to move or get police.

on which part? my mom probably only lived because the cops showed up when they did, and now that guy is getting watched. i wanna move closer to the bus stop so i dont have to be worried about the walk home, but it's not happening.

on which part? my mom probably only lived because the cops showed up when they did, and now that guy is getting watched. i wanna move closer to the bus stop so i dont have to be worried about the walk home, but it's not happening.

...

You live in a very scary situation. Ask your parents, sincerely, to move.

Got to go now. Bye!

new experiance to share with you lovely cyinical people.

my friend has "opposite" parents (one's black, one's white, dont know which is which) but by some pigment twist, he is white as a sheet. he is having a converation with another black person and calls him the "N word" immediately the guy goes after him, bashing him over the head with a soda bottle. my friend managed to get away and explained the situation as the guy was rushing him. immediately it became ok.

if that's not a sign of lingering racism idk what is. (other than white mob beatings)

I dunno.....I think you guys might have to draw a picture for me.
Give me a minute.

Edit: Here we go.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7480/1notequallots1vz.png

1 d00d =/= 4ll t3h d00dz.

or:

won dewd iz naught e-quill two awl de dewds

Whilst I do accept that the actions of a few are not representative of the whole, I must confess that from my limited expreriances of groups of ethnic minorities of any size, they are generally, and understandably, racially aware, however a streak of invulnerability seems to suffuse their thinking, as does a streak of anti-white sentiment.

It is the anti-white sentiment that riles for the most part. Whilst minorities have suffered, undeniably so, the principle remains that we have apologised and remedied the situation, with a plethora of positive discrimnatory legislations. However, far from recognising this and merely co-existing, such minorities, from my experiances, appear determined to consider themselves oppressed, and be counter-racist. As a reasonable nationalistic individual (does it show?;) ), whilst I can accept the presence of minorities as irrevocable, counter-racism does rile, since they forget that the nation is, essentially, white caucasian.

I'm not. Never having owned a slave or denied someone a position based on their race (my family has never had those opportunities either. Perhaps the only two immoral things my ancestors never did was enter Human Resources or own a plantation) I have nothing to apologize for. And since most African-Americans probably haven't suffered either in their lives, they have nothing to demand an apology for.

You mean like, "Nicaraguan", "Nigerian", or "Nathaniel Hawthorne"? I hate those words too.

I'd respond to the rest, but I couldn't think of any other flippant remarks in the 57.4 seconds I spent thinking about this post.
I agree with part of your post. No need for me to apologize. I've never owned a slave.

i've never said that all white people are racist. i said that the way i have seen white people treated by black people, they act like they seem to believe that white people deserve the treatment that we recive from them
That's called being an asshole. Stand up to them and be ready to defend yourself and they cut it out.

Whilst I do accept that the actions of a few are not representative of the whole, I must confess that from my limited expreriances of groups of ethnic minorities of any size, they are generally, and understandably, racially aware, however a streak of invulnerability seems to suffuse their thinking, as does a streak of anti-white sentiment.

It is the anti-white sentiment that riles for the most part. Whilst minorities have suffered, undeniably so, the principle remains that we have apologised and remedied the situation, with a plethora of positive discrimnatory legislations. However, far from recognising this and merely co-existing, such minorities, from my experiances, appear determined to consider themselves oppressed, and be counter-racist. As a reasonable nationalistic individual (does it show?;) ), whilst I can accept the presence of minorities as irrevocable, counter-racism does rile, since they forget that the nation is, essentially, white caucasian.

yes, that is pretty much what i am saying.

oh, and CthulhuFhtagn? i love the pic
:p

yes, that is pretty much what i am saying.

oh, and CthulhuFhtagn? i love the pic
:p
Don't you have a group of friends who you can hang with? You're not as likely to get picked on in a group.

The poor white people.

Yeah ... when, oh when, will they catch a break?

My heart bleeds.

Don't you have a group of friends who you can hang with? You're not as likely to get picked on in a group.

i do, but they all live 40 blocks west of me.

I wanna switch to Asian. <_>

what's that supposted to mean?

I wanna switch to Asian. <_>
Asian girls are hot.

I wanna switch to Asian. <_>
Why? What's so good about being Asian?

Why? What's so good about being Asian?

Hot girls, smart, cool continent and not black. I don't have to deal with the crap BET, UPN and these rapper fellows put out. What's the stereotypes? Can't drive?

I was a bit taken aback how how significant race was socially in the US. Then it occured to me it was not that long since segregation. That and large divides between rich and poor tending to exacerbate these tensions and it is impressive things are as good as they are.

Still odd, though.

Hot girls, smart, cool continent and not black. I don't have to deal with the crap BET, UPN and these rapper fellows put out. What's the stereotypes? Can't drive?

Incredibly small penises.

Incredibly small penises.

Having been born black I'll be proving that wrong then.

Having been born black I'll be proving that wrong then.

Not if you become Asian. You have to take the whole package. All three inches of it.

Having been born black I'll be proving that wrong then.

What colour are you now?

Not if you become Asian. You have to take the whole package. All three inches of it.

Fine, what If I don't actually become asian, but take over the continet(stupid word I can't spell), then annex Africa?

What colour are you now?

Well....according to my boating license test, Yellow....cuz I filled in the asian bubble...But more in the way of...like...something...

I spent a great deal of my young life getting my ass kicked on an almost weekly basis for being white. I've had my four bottom teeth kicked out, my index finger of my left hand nearly cut off, I've been stabbed, beat with bricks... all before I was 16.

Fine, what If I don't actually become asian, but take over the continet(stupid word I can't spell), then annex Africa?

That seems like an awful lot of work just so you could nail Asian chicks.

I spent a great deal of my young life getting my ass kicked on an almost weekly basis for being white. I've had my four bottom teeth kicked out, my index finger of my left hand nearly cut off, I've been stabbed, beat with bricks... all before I was 16.

I had four teeth pulled out...Besides, black people get shot and go to jail, like those music videos show, so feh. :P

That seems like an awful lot of work just so you could nail Asian chicks.

Good point. I could do that now. Screw the ethnicity change then.

I had four teeth pulled out...Besides, black people get shot and go to jail, like those music videos show, so feh. :P
I didn' get beat up by black people, at least not usually. Mostly I got beat up by Hispanics. Most of my friends were hispanic also and my friend Mike actually got beat up for being my friend because they said he shouldn't be hanging around with a white kid. My friend Martin's mom wouldn't let him hang out with me because I'm white.

I didn' get beat up by black people, at least not usually. Mostly I got beat up by Hispanics. Most of my friends were hispanic also and my friend Mike actually got beat up for being my friend because they said he shouldn't be hanging around with a white kid. My friend Martin's mom wouldn't let him hang out with me because I'm white.

Well, then according to the Big Book O' Stereotypes, they should have a pregnant wife and 13 kids, 3 of which are pregnant teenage daughters. Don't that make you feel better? But yeah, your childhood sucked then.

I spent a great deal of my young life getting my ass kicked on an almost weekly basis for being white. I've had my four bottom teeth kicked out, my index finger of my left hand nearly cut off, I've been stabbed, beat with bricks... all before I was 16.

I lucked out. My first high school was nearly all black, and I'm not sure I would have survived 4 years at that school. My mom was able to move to a white area. The kids were still gutter-trash, and I got in weekly fights, but I didn't get jumped by 10 "homies" with knives.

During the War of Northern Aggression (US Civil War), the Northerners were more racist than the Southerners. I generally see that the South is far less racist than the North still today. What destroyed the race relations in the South was the North's invasion.

Racism is unBiblical per the fact that we are all naturally equal having descended from Adam and Eve, and then from Noah. We are no different except in small anatomical differences. Also, we are all commanded by Jesus to love our neighbors as ourselves and our enemies.

Spike Lee's film "Do the Right Thing" showed how we are all racist, and it is simply fueled by our own natural inclination to fail to admit to ourselves that we are all sinners.

Liberals were the original racists. They had their Darwinist views on the different races -- the alternative title for The Origin of Species (by Darwin) was The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. Planned Parenthood, a pro-abortion (liberal) organization, was founded by a woman who believed that abortions and other birth control methods should be used as a means to exterminate Negroes. And modern-day liberals have those ideas about "Affirmative Action," which is simply "reverse-racism" -- which is still racism, just going the other way.

During the War of Northern Aggression (US Civil War), the Northerners were more racist than the Southerners. I generally see that the South is far less racist than the North still today. What destroyed the race relations in the South was the North's invasion.

Racism is unBiblical per the fact that we are all naturally equal having descended from Adam and Eve, and then from Noah. We are no different except in small anatomical differences. Also, we are all commanded by Jesus to love our neighbors as ourselves and our enemies.

Spike Lee's film "Do the Right Thing" showed how we are all racist, and it is simply fueled by our own natural inclination to fail to admit to ourselves that we are all sinners. Also, liberals were the original racists, with their Darwinist views on the different races, and their ideas about birth control and abortions being used as a means to exterminate the lower classes. Planned Parenthood, an abortion organization, was founded by such a woman. And the alternative title for "The Original of Species" (Darwin) was "The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life."
Riiiiiiight. Race relations were fine while the blacks were in horrifying servitude, and the Emancipation Proclamation made things worse.:rolleyes:

During the War of Northern Aggression (US Civil War), the Northerners were more racist than the Southerners. I generally see that the South is far less racist than the North still today. What destroyed the race relations in the South was the North's invasion.

Racism is unBiblical per the fact that we are all naturally equal having descended from Adam and Eve, and then from Noah. We are no different except in small anatomical differences. Also, we are all commanded by Jesus to love our neighbors as ourselves and our enemies.

Spike Lee's film "Do the Right Thing" showed how we are all racist, and it is simply fueled by our own natural inclination to fail to admit to ourselves that we are all sinners. Also, liberals were the original racists, with their Darwinist views on the different races, and their ideas about birth control and abortions being used as a means to exterminate the lower classes. Planned Parenthood, an abortion organization, was founded by such a woman. And the alternative title for "The Original of Species" (Darwin) was "The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life."

So if everyone admitted to themselves that they were sinners, there would be no racism? :rolleyes:

During the War of Northern Aggression (US Civil War), the Northerners were more racist than the Southerners. I generally see that the South is far less racist than the North still today. What destroyed the race relations in the South was the North's invasion.

Racism is unBiblical per the fact that we are all naturally equal having descended from Adam and Eve, and then from Noah. We are no different except in small anatomical differences. Also, we are all commanded by Jesus to love our neighbors as ourselves and our enemies.

Spike Lee's film "Do the Right Thing" showed how we are all racist, and it is simply fueled by our own natural inclination to fail to admit to ourselves that we are all sinners. Also, liberals were the original racists, with their Darwinist views on the different races, and their ideas about birth control and abortions being used as a means to exterminate the lower classes. Planned Parenthood, an abortion organization, was founded by such a woman. And the alternative title for "The Original of Species" (Darwin) was "The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life."

Yeah, the southerners were saints. No violent slavery ever happened. Not once. Damned Yankees, ruining everything.

What destroyed the race relations in the South was the North's invasion.
*snip obvious historical ignorance*
You don't think it was the slavery that destroyed race relations in the South? :confused:

Want proof?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species_by_Means_of_Natural_Selection%2C_or_the_Preservation_of_Favoured_Races_in_t he_Struggle_for_Life

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger -- Quoth Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood: "And we do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

Understand that the Southern army did not segregate its black soldiers from the white, while black soldiers in the Union army were and they usually just acted as poorly paid laborers to the Union white officers.

I do not approve of the South's unBiblical chattel slavery, but it was better than the racism in the North. Also understand that I am not making this up -- I learned in 9th grade in a Northern school from a Lincoln-loving teacher that the North was more racist than the South because it was not as exposed to the black race. Northerners, such as Lincoln, just wanted to end slavery to deport all blacks back to an even more dangerous, hostile Africa (where the tribes would either kill or enslave them), so as to preserve white labor in the North.

Slavery was also a more natural way to assimilate a very different culture. Southerners weren't always good when they refused to free their slaves, but the slaves that were freed learned how to be free while in the servitude of their masters.

You don't think it was the slavery that destroyed race relations in the South? :confused:
Slavery improved race relations for law-abiding Southerners by allowing the Africans to assimilate into the society. Notice I said "law-abiding Southerners" -- I will not deny that there were some nasty slaveholders in the South. Blacks in the North were in a much more alien environment, often exposed to extreme levels of racism due to the whites not being used to colored people invading their labor.

The invasion of the North broke such race relations by not allowing the slaves to assimilate and by having their country destroyed, thus creating a culture of hate that was prevalent in the Jim Crow laws.

Also know that racism was not at all rooted in the South -- it was there long before the US was even founded. When Thomas Jefferson wrote the "All men are created equal," "men" referred to male white people. The North was just as guilty of slavery and of racism, even during the War of Northern Aggression (some Northern states still had slaves).

Understand that the Southern army did not segregate its black soldiers from the white, while black soldiers in the Union army were and they usually just acted as poorly paid laborers to the Union white officers.


Yeah, you kinda needed to have them with the whites because they were slaves and would probably run. In the North they volunteered. You are one twisted screwball. :D

So if everyone admitted to themselves that they were sinners, there would be no racism? :rolleyes:
It takes more effort than that. I'm not just saying that "I am a sinner" will free everyone from racism. It's just the first step to a larger effort in life to tolerate people who don't necessarily look the same as you do. The original sin of Adam and Eve makes it very difficult for people to free themselves from the sin of racism.

It takes more effort than that. I'm not just saying that "I am a sinner" will free everyone from racism. It's just the first step to a larger effort in life to tolerate people who don't necessarily look the same as you do. The original sin of Adam and Eve makes it very difficult for people to free themselves from the sin of racism.
But there's no such thing as adam and Eve. :confused: Its a fairytale. :confused:

Yeah, you kinda needed to have them with the whites because they were slaves and would probably run. In the North they volunteered. You are one twisted screwball. :D
No, I am telling you the truth. Your schools, which are run by the government, are specifically designed to teach you to worship the State by covering up the fact that Lincoln was a tyrant over the South who cared nothing for the Constitution or for blacks at all. I can find more racist quotes by Lincoln than by Davis.

Also, kindly note that the Southern army consisted both of free blacks and of servants. Blacks volunteered in the South just as eagerly as in the North -- except in the Southern army they weren't treated like trash. They were all defending their homeland from tyrannical invaders who, upon finding slaves, would immediately force the slaves into the Union army. My school never taught me that.

No, I am telling you the truth. Your schools, which are run by the government, are specifically designed to teach you to worship the State by covering up the fact that Lincoln was a tyrant over the South who cared nothing for the Constitution or for blacks at all. I can find more racist quotes by Lincoln than by Davis.

Also, kindly note that the Southern army consisted both of free blacks and of servants. Blacks volunteered in the South just as eagerly as in the North -- except in the Southern army they weren't treated like trash. They were all defending their homeland from tyrannical invaders who, upon finding slaves, would immediately force the slaves into the Union army. My school never taught me that.
I don't worship the state. :confused: In particular, this administration can go to Hell, if there was such a place. ;)

But there's no such thing as adam and Eve. :confused: Its a fairytale. :confused:
Then how do you justify that racism is evil if you do not believe that we are all descended from the same two sinners? How do you justify the existence of racism if not by the explanation provided by the Book of Genesis? How do you justify that all men are created equal if you actually believe that we are descended from the common ancestors of chimpanzees (and subsequently may not necessarily be equal)?

ok, i've been wanting to get this off my chest for sometime, so here it goes.

i take the city bus to school, and day after day the few white people on the bus are verbally abused and sometimes even phsically threatened by the african americans on the bus. i just want to be the first to say it: US WHITE PEOPLE ARE SORRY OK?

i mean seriously, we live in a new generation, alot of the racism that is in society now is either in the south, or the black people take their anger at their situation on white people or eachother. We are sorry that your situation is not the same as many of ours, but that is no reason to verbally abuse people in public, or stalk them or whatever. i'm particularily pissed when they do this to those white people who have decided not to move out to the subs where all the white people ran when blacks began moving into the neiborhoods. your anger is at those who are racists towards you, and if we are living near you, one can logicly believe that we dont hate you.

and another thing. you will never hear (at least in the north to my knowledge) a white person say any of the "N words", while blacks have no problem aiming not only these remarks at eachother, but new slang about white people which i will not post here because i believe that there are some people under the "appropiate age" here w/e the f$%& that means anymore. but, would this lead you to believe that WE FEEL GUILITY?!?! i mean jeeze, how many different ways to we have to show that we feel sorry? give everyone 10,000 just to back the f&%* off? if we are suppostedly deserving of this blame, then we would be out there screaming "BLACK PEOPLE SUCK! F&%$ OFF N*****S!"

why do you feel this way?

You should tell them that you haven't said or done anything to them, and that they should stop insulting you just because of your color. It might get through if you point out that they're the ones being racist.

I don't worship the state. :confused: In particular, this administration can go to Hell, if there was such a place. ;)
You worship it in that you will vehemently defend a racist, tyrannical Union government that does not believe in Constitutionally, Biblically limited government. You school has taught you that you have the best government in the world, and by God, you know in your heart that it sucks.

Heh. Only in General can one see random pictures, 1337 speech, stereotyped racism and historical revisionism in one thread, and five pages...

Well, I'd just like to let everyone know that this Quamia's posts has made my company decide that this site is not workplace-appropriate and is going to be banned. So I'll be around far less often from now on. It's been fun.

All the links and quotes in the world doesn't change the fact that slavery was bad, and the southern states wanted slavery to stay. Ever see Roots? Ever read a history manual? Slaves were treated like shit, because they had no say, they had no influence, they were the bottom rung, and they were OWNED. Not in the 1337 sense, but in the literal sense of having ownership over something. They weren't treated like humans, but animals. Bottom line, end of story, thank you for playing, good little hustle.

Well, I'd just like to let everyone know that this Quamia's posts has made my company decide that this site is not workplace-appropriate and is going to be banned. So I'll be around far less often from now on. It's been fun.

Hey - thanks Quamia!

You worship it in that you will vehemently defend a racist, tyrannical Union government that does not believe in Constitutionally, Biblically limited government. You school has taught you that you have the best government in the world, and by God, you know in your heart that it sucks.
I absolutely do not believe that the Bible shoudl have anything to do with government because I do not believe the Bible is anything other than a collection of myths and therefore want to remain free from its influences in my public and private life. I also believe in a loose interpretation of the Constitution because it is necessary in order for the law to adapt to a rapidly changing world. I do, however, think that this administration sucks and I recognize that the chief downfall of any democracy is the bell curve phenomenon, meaning that it tends toward mediocraty because brilliance and ignorance will often cancel each other out.

All the links and quotes in the world doesn't change the fact that slavery was bad, and the southern states wanted slavery to stay. Ever see Roots? Ever read a history manual? Slaves were treated like shit, because they had no say, they had no influence, they were the bottom rung, and they were OWNED. Not in the 1337 sense, but in the literal sense of having ownership over something. They weren't treated like humans, but animals. Bottom line, end of story, thank you for playing, good little hustle.

Yep. The Northern States weren't perfect, and Lincoln used slavery as a political issue to gather political and international support, but the Southern States were not just as bad, but far, far worse. And before Quamia starts whinging that the US school system has blinded it to me, I'm a British History Undergraduate who's studied both sides a fair bit.

Your Southern Revisionism is foolish and little better than Irving's work (Yes, yes, I know, Godwin...). It also just cost us Sdaeriji.

Us Brits had long since banned slave ownership and trading. Does that mean we are even more racist?

Adam and Eve? Am I to believe that these are viewed as two actual people from whom everyone descended 50,000 years ago? Blimey, this is a culture clash.

The historical revisionism lies in the fact that schools have taught that the North consisted of good guys and the South of bad guys. The truth was, both the North and the South consisted of true, good, Christian men who were fighting for slightly different causes. The South was not perfect in that it had the unBiblical chattel slavery, but to say that the North was any better is absurd. The North had slavery as well (they DO teach that in public schools), more racism, more unConstitutionality, and less Bible. You might also want to note that the South freed its slaves in 1863 and the North didn't freed its slaves until the 13th amendment was ratified a few years later.

Good men fought in the Union to end chattel slavery, and good men fought in the South to defend their homeland from being wrecked and their wives raped by Godless Yankees. So there were some good Yankees, but most of them simply wanted to end slavery because they hated blacks -- they wanted to protect white labor -- and because they wanted the States to be enslaved to the federal government.

We still are slaves to the federal government per amendment sixteen to the Constitution, as well as several other abominations.

Well, I'd just like to let everyone know that this Quamia's posts has made my company decide that this site is not workplace-appropriate and is going to be banned. So I'll be around far less often from now on. It's been fun.
I am sorry that your company does not believe in freedom of speech, and I will pray for you.

All the links and quotes in the world doesn't change the fact that slavery was bad, and the southern states wanted slavery to stay. Ever see Roots? Ever read a history manual? Slaves were treated like shit, because they had no say, they had no influence, they were the bottom rung, and they were OWNED. Not in the 1337 sense, but in the literal sense of having ownership over something. They weren't treated like humans, but animals. Bottom line, end of story, thank you for playing, good little hustle.
The South believed in Constitutionally limited government, and the North did not. You are correct that freeing the slaves is more important than a piece of paper, but how does that make the North any better if the North still had slaves during the war, and the South freed its slaves before the North did? The North generally DID NOT CARE about the black people. To think so is to be historically ignorant of a painful truth. I understand that many people do not want to know how anti-Black the North was because it would deglorify it.

The historical revisionism lies in the fact that schools have taught that the North consisted of good guys and the South of bad guys. The truth was, both the North and the South consisted of true, good, Christian men who were fighting for slightly different causes. The South was not perfect in that it had the unBiblical chattel slavery, but to say that the North was any better is absurd. The North had slavery as well (they DO teach that in public schools), more racism, more unConstitutionality, and less Bible. You might also want to note that the South freed its slaves in 1863 and the North didn't freed its slaves until the 13th amendment was ratified a few years later.

Good men fought in the Union to end chattel slavery, and good men fought in the South to defend their homeland from being wrecked and their wives raped by Godless Yankees. So there were some good Yankees, but most of them simply wanted to end slavery because they hated blacks -- they wanted to protect white labor -- and because they wanted the States to be enslaved to the federal government.

We still are slaves to the federal government per amendment sixteen to the Constitution, as well as several other abominations.

Every country has its own creation myth. In the case of the USA it does seem to be about the War of Independence and the American Civil War. Had the wars gone the other way they could be known as

War of Independence: British Colonial Wars or Second Civil War
American Civil War: War of Independence

As with most wars people sign up on the side they happen to live in and bravery is always admirable.

"South freed its slaves in 1863 and the North didn't freed its slaves until the 13th amendment was ratified a few years later", this would seem to imply that the Southern states would have abolished slavery before the North, even if it had not been forced upon them. This seems questionable.

The South believed in Constitutionally limited government, and the North did not. You are correct that freeing the slaves is more important than a piece of paper, but how does that make the North any better if the North still had slaves during the war, and the South freed its slaves before the North did? The North generally DID NOT CARE about the black people. To think so is to be historically ignorant of a painful truth. I understand that many people do not want to know how anti-Black the North was because it would deglorify it.

I agree with much of this, but there were many people fiercely opposed to slavery and once the North adopted this position (no matter how Machiavellian the motive), it certainly helped undermine the position of the South.

In my area of Britain, support for the North from the position of the abolition of slavery was such that many fell into severe povety/starvation rather than work on Southern cotton.

The South believed in Constitutionally limited government, and the North did not. You are correct that freeing the slaves is more important than a piece of paper, but how does that make the North any better if the North still had slaves during the war, and the South freed its slaves before the North did? The North generally DID NOT CARE about the black people. To think so is to be historically ignorant of a painful truth. I understand that many people do not want to know how anti-Black the North was because it would deglorify it.

The south didn't free their slaves before the north. Why would there be a need for an underground railroad? Why would southern slaves run away from their masters and flee north?

Point is, without the north standing for what they believed in and taking a stance against slavery, who knows how long it would've kept going on, and even longer still until the civil rights movement would have triumphed (it took long enough as it was).

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that the "south" is fundamentally more racist than the "north", today (at this point, the lines are slightly blurred in the mid-west and the majority-white states in New England). There's a reason for that, and there's a reason those people happen to be carrying confederate flags.

The south didn't free their slaves before the north. Why would there be a need for an underground railroad? Why would southern slaves run away from their masters and flee north?

Point is, without the north standing for what they believed in and taking a stance against slavery, who knows how long it would've kept going on, and even longer still until the civil rights movement would have triumphed (it took long enough as it was).

It does invoke thoughts of South Africa.

I am sorry that your company does not believe in freedom of speech, and I will pray for you.

May I ask what denomination you follow? Your thoughts seem quite alien to me.

It does invoke thoughts of South Africa.

I'm ignorant of what happened in South Africa - what's it have to do with this?

I'm ignorant of what happened in South Africa - what's it have to do with this?

It was a reference to your statement:

"even longer still until the civil rights movement would have triumphed (it took long enough as it was)" and the relatively recent end of the apartheid in South Africa.

It was a reference to your statement:

"even longer still until the civil rights movement would have triumphed (it took long enough as it was)" and the relatively recent end of the apartheid in South Africa.

Ah - yeah, the only thing I'd heard from about South Africa specifically, was from Lethal Weapon 2 (was it 2? I don't know.).

Ah - yeah, the only thing I'd heard from about South Africa specifically, was from Lethal Weapon 2 (was it 2? I don't know.).

I forget I am an old man here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid

Anyway, the system relied on a cheap class of racially defined labour. The proponents of the system would genuinely claim it was non-racist and that the dissatisfaction was stirred up by outsiders and hoodlums.

Meanwhile the economy didn't develop as well as it seemed, as it had the artificial aid of cheap labour, which required increasing amounts of energy to keep down.

Added: They were also keen on perverse morality (killing a black was naughty, but porn was far worse) and citing the bible in a way that you cannot imagine Christ doing.

Quamia: You claim the Union was bad because it used less religion in government. Even if this is true, and I don't know that it is, the fact remains that:
Amendment I:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The interpretation that has been accepted in almost all legal cases is that the bolded clause advocates seperation of church and state, meaning the Northerners were actually more closely aligned with the constitution.
By the way, that stuff about the South stopping the raping of their women is pure bunk, as is your claim that the 16th amendment (income tax) equates with slavery to the federal government.

I am sorry that your company does not believe in freedom of speech, and I will pray for you.

Yeah, sure. My company believes in customer service, and they do not think that having a customer accidentally seeing ignorant, racist drivel such as "blacks were better off during slavery" is good customer service. And I tend to agree with that thought. So save your prayers, because I don't need them, and I certainly don't want someone like you praying for me.

Yeah, sure. My company believes in customer service, and they do not think that having a customer accidentally seeing ignorant, racist drivel such as "blacks were better off during slavery" is good customer service. And I tend to agree with that thought. So save your prayers, because I don't need them, and I certainly don't want someone like you praying for me.

Amen

I can completely relate to your plight! I'm white, but I have black friends too, I'm in no way, shape or form a racist.

In my city I've been verbally absued and descriminated upon from blacks. I was actually once prevented from ordering food from a McDonald's staffed entriely by African-Americans. When I asked why I had to leave, I was told it was becuase I was a "f'ing white cracker."

I'm kinda confused why anyone would do that. The civil rights movement was orginally about complete equality... but to me that doesn't mean that blacks and even other races can descriminate upon whites. I know many people of my race have been predjudiced in the past, but do blacks feel like they should "get back at the whites" by descriminating to make up for lost time???

-Racial Bountry Hater

Quamia: You claim the Union was bad because it used less religion in government. Even if this is true, and I don't know that it is, the fact remains that:

The interpretation that has been accepted in almost all legal cases is that the bolded clause advocates seperation of church and state,
The way it actually works is through legal precedent. The Supreme Court decided a long time ago that the only way to keep the government from making laws regarding religion was to keep government seperate from it. People who claim that there is no seperation of church and state in the constitution are correct but still ignorant because they do not understand the concept of judicial precedent. Judicial precedent is binding until a compelling reason to overturn it is presented to a court that decides to overturn it and that ruling survives appeals up to the Supreme Court. In other words, seperation of church and state is the judicial branch's way of keeping the state from interfering with religion.

Want proof?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Origin_of_Species_by_Means_of_Natural_Selection%2C_or_the_Preservation_of_Favoured_Races_in_t he_Struggle_for_Life

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger -- Quoth Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood: "And we do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

Understand that the Southern army did not segregate its black soldiers from the white, while black soldiers in the Union army were and they usually just acted as poorly paid laborers to the Union white officers.

I do not approve of the South's unBiblical chattel slavery, but it was better than the racism in the North. Also understand that I am not making this up -- I learned in 9th grade in a Northern school from a Lincoln-loving teacher that the North was more racist than the South because it was not as exposed to the black race. Northerners, such as Lincoln, just wanted to end slavery to deport all blacks back to an even more dangerous, hostile Africa (where the tribes would either kill or enslave them), so as to preserve white labor in the North.

Slavery was also a more natural way to assimilate a very different culture. Southerners weren't always good when they refused to free their slaves, but the slaves that were freed learned how to be free while in the servitude of their masters.

You should read what you cite more carefully. Darwin was not speaking of "races" in terms of humans, he was using it in the sense of populations of animals. And, the full quote from Sanger makes it clear she was sensitive to the criticism that birth control would be seen as an effort to control black birth rates, and wanted to head it off before it started.

As to your history, you could also go a bit further in your reading. Racism was a problem in the North, in part because there were so few blacks in most parts of the North. Oddly enough, some of the places with the fewest blacks were also the least racist; blacks did OK in Iowa, but were hunted down by the mob during the draft riots in New York City in 1863. But, you make the mistake of grouping all Northerners together- while there was (and still is) a great deal of racism in the North, there was also (and still is) a large number of people who weren't. Many people, particularly among the religious communities, thought the idea of one person owning another appalling, and their concern was to free them and allow them to take their place in society. There were indeed some people who thought they should be shipped back to Africa, whether voluntarily or not, but not all such people were knowingly being racist. Many simply thought that since that's where they (or their ancestors) had originally come from, that they'd be happier/better off/whatever in their "country of origin".

(Liberia was found by freed American slaves who volunteered to go back.)

And you greatly misunderstand the situation in the South. Very few blacks were ever freed; in many places, particularly just before the Civil War, it was illegal to free blacks. In most places, it was illegal to even teach them to read or write. Far from assimilation, blacks were kept very much in a separate and lesser status to white people, even those blacks who were supposedly free. (Which, frequently, meant free to starve, free to live in miserable conditions, free to be paid less than a white worker, and free to "keep your place".)

And just a couple of other interesting historical sidelights. You mention "just wanted to end slavery to deport all blacks back to an even more dangerous, hostile Africa (where the tribes would either kill or enslave them)". Guess what? The majority of slaves brought to America had already been enslaved by other Africans, and sold to the slavers. There was a triangle (can't remember what it was called; I want to say the Golden Triangle, but that's not it) between the US South, the Carribean and Africa. Ships would take on sugar in the south, sail to the Carribean where they would trade it for rum, then take the rum to Africa and trade it for slaves. It was rather rare for slavers to get off the ships and go hunting for slaves themselves; why bother, when there were all those locals willing to sell you the people they'd captured?

There's a long history of slavery everywhere in the world, and Africa is no exception. Most of those sold into slavery were captured during raids or wars; since they weren't members of the tribe who captured them, their captors had no problems selling them off, either to white slavers or to other African tribes.

And finally, for those who may not know it, there were BLACK slaveowners in the South (although not too many). The blacks who were most assimilated into Southern culture followed its culture; if you got money, you bought land and slaves to work it. That's how people knew you were successful.

(This is a VERY abbreviated version of things. There's a lot more to the history of slavery, race relations, Northern racism, et al, but it's not my intention to write an essay. Look into things a bit more; history is almost always more complex and multivariable than you learn in school. Especially in US history classes.)

Us Brits had long since banned slave ownership and trading. Does that mean we are even more racist?

Adam and Eve? Am I to believe that these are viewed as two actual people from whom everyone descended 50,000 years ago? Blimey, this is a culture clash.

Just FYI- the Brits banned slavery in 1837, just 23 years before the Civil War. To be fair, they'd been fighting against it for a long time, pressuring other countries to ban the trade, stationing ships off the African coasts to intercept slavers, and other things. But, it wasn't officially gone until 1837.

And to be fair to the US, the slave trade was officially banned by the US in 1807, and it too pressured others to ban it, and it too stationed ships off the African coast to intercept traders. The US just didn't ban it internally for another 30 years.

You might also want to note that the South freed its slaves in 1863 and the North didn't freed its slaves until the 13th amendment was ratified a few years later.

Excuse me?? NO Southern state abolished slavery during the Confederacy. Slavery was not abolished until the 13th Amendment passed.

And backing up a few... Black soldiers[I] did not serve in the Confederate Army. By the time they got around to considering it (late 1864), it wouldn't have mattered anyway. Blacks did serve with the Army, but they served as servants, cart drivers, ditch diggers and all the other menial tasks. (Much as was true of blacks in the US armed forces during the First World War and the beginning of the Second, although they at least got to wear uniforms and be [I]called soldiers in the latter two.)

Hot girls,
who won't put out very easily because of old-fashioned culture.
smart, cool continent and not black.
You have obviously never been to Asia. It's filled with plenty of stupid people, and the continent is way overpopulated thanks to China.
I don't have to deal with the crap BET, UPN and these rapper fellows put out. What's the stereotypes? Can't drive?
Ever heard Japanese rap? Chinese rap? Korean rap? Go find some on the net and listen to it. I dare you. They'll make pretentious wiggers in the US look authentic.

wow....lota stuff was posted here after i shugged this forum off.

I spent a great deal of my young life getting my ass kicked on an almost weekly basis for being white. I've had my four bottom teeth kicked out, my index finger of my left hand nearly cut off, I've been stabbed, beat with bricks... all before I was 16.
ya, that's y i'm glad for going to a slightly balaced in race school. it hopefully means that people at that school are more racially tolerant than others but the fact remains that half the people in my neighborhood aren't like that and go to schools of all one color so they are more, as my gf puts it, ignorant than other people

You should tell them that you haven't said or done anything to them, and that they should stop insulting you just because of your color. It might get through if you point out that they're the ones being racist.
the problem with that is the fact that the second you place the blame on them, they get pissed at you. if they ever talk to me before they attack me, i'll try it.

I can completely relate to your plight! I'm white, but I have black friends too, I'm in no way, shape or form a racist.

In my city I've been verbally absued and descriminated upon from blacks. I was actually once prevented from ordering food from a McDonald's staffed entriely by African-Americans. When I asked why I had to leave, I was told it was becuase I was a "f'ing white cracker."

I'm kinda confused why anyone would do that. The civil rights movement was orginally about complete equality... but to me that doesn't mean that blacks and even other races can descriminate upon whites. I know many people of my race have been predjudiced in the past, but do blacks feel like they should "get back at the whites" by descriminating to make up for lost time???

-Racial Bountry Hater

from my experiance, the answer to that last question, yes. from the way i've been treated they seem to believe that we are all racist losers who would like to put them back in chains and get them back out to the cotton fields. i really dont want to do this, and no one else that i know does either, but unless we start wearing signs that say "NOT RACIST" it will continue.
the only way to solve this issue is for like the world to be brain washed. forget the 60s. forget the slavery of the 1800s. the only reason that whites thought they were better than blacks is because we had increased technonlgy, wore clothes, etc. Now that blacks and whites live on the same level (mostly) if we could just forget about all that strief in the past, there wouldn't be black neighborhoods and suberbs. in fact, it freaking pisses me off that blacks are racist towards those who live in neighborhoods with them, instead of directing their anger to the rich whites that live in suburbs (no offence to those of you fit in that category) who moved to the suburbs to avoid the blacks.