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What do you fight for? What is there in this life worth killing and dieing for? What is there worth trying for?

Having people learn about me in history class and failing the project on me sounds good.

To what end? just so your name is in history book? what good is that?

Is there an all of the above option?

try other

Power.

To what end? just so your name is in history book? what good is that?
Oh, well serious then?

Well, I want to change the world. Personally I think the current state of society is on a downward spiral toward self-destruction, not something I'd like to see. I want to take charge and lead the world to a new era.

But it seems like everyone before me who has tried that usually gets their entire lives summed up into a section of a chapter. Heh.

Why power? power is fleeting it will not last you.

I would only ever kill if I thought I would get away with it for whatever reason.
I wouldn’t die for anyone or anything.

I would fight for my right to party.

Why power? power is fleeting it will not last you.
What's wrong with power? Do you have something against electricity?

Morals.

all of those are worth fighting for...if they are immportant to you.

Theres no option for "The Motherland"
(I'm being serious)

Oh, well serious then?

Well, I want to change the world. Personally I think the current state of society is on a downward spiral toward self-destruction, not something I'd like to see. I want to take charge and lead the world to a new era.

But it seems like everyone before me who has tried that usually gets their entire lives summed up into a section of a chapter. Heh.

And what good would you do? Hitler had great plans for bringing germany bac on its feet and out of its depresion. look what he did to the world. I'n the end it may be better for the world to fall on its ass and wake up.

Why Cookies, of course! After all, who wouldn't sacrifice everything for such delicious morsels?

And what good would you do? Hitler had great plans for bringing germany bac on its feet and out of its depresion. look what he did to the world. I'n the end it may be better for the world to fall on its ass and wake up.
He had only Germany's interests in mind. I have the interest of humanity.

Besides, even if not for the global good, just to make a huge mark in history and have people say "Yes kids, THAT'S the man that totally changed the world." in either good meanings or bad meanings.

all of those are worth fighting for...if they are immportant to you.

What is it worth though? power fades, love fails, family perish and all turns to dust eventualy.

What do you fight for? What is there in this life worth killing and dieing for? What is there worth trying for?
You should have made the poll multiple choice.

I would kill ( again ) for home and family, whether directly or indirectly. I would also kill to preserve my Country and its welfare, my own life, the lives of other human beings, and the rights my ancestors struggled so hard to gain.

You should have made the poll multiple choice.

I would kill ( again ) for home and family, whether directly or indirectly. I would also kill to preserve my Country and its welfare, my own life, the lives of other human beings, and the rights my ancestors struggled so hard to gain.

intresting...

Freedom

I fight so I can reach Level 60 and use my new powerful magic item.

No, seriously. I don't know what might happen and how I would react.

What do you fight for? What is there in this life worth killing and dieing for? What is there worth trying for?
To be honest I don't physically fight for anything. That's because others in the past did it for me.

I would kill ( again ) for home and family, whether directly or indirectly.
Congratulations on getting away with murder.

I would do anything for my country
After that comes my family
After tha comes my own life

Power.

With power comes everything skills can offer. Look at Donald Trump (minus the whole bankruptsy thing..) He has money, he starts to make the NYC realestate his bitch. He bought the air above the building next to his for christ sake!

One day I will bitch smack him with my super uber awesome metro city that Im building ot of legos.. untill I dominate and build forizzle. MooHAHAHAHAHA!!!11111!!!1!!!!!ONE.

To be honest I don't physically fight for anything. That's because others in the past did it for me.
History has shown that those unwilling to fight to preserve what others bought with their lives will lose that which was bought.

I fight so I can reach Level 60 and use my new powerful magic item.

No, seriously. I don't know what might happen and how I would react.

never make a coment like that again.

History has shown that those unwilling to fight to preserve what others bought with their lives will lose that which was bought.
And some others managed to destroy it all with their fighting.

What is it worth though? power fades, love fails, family perish and all turns to dust eventualy.

thats why YOU have to deside whats imporant.

for some its love( they started a war over helen of troy)
others its power- the dream that all will answer to them, some want this so badly that they are willing to die trying.

family- yes its true that every one dies eventualy but would you rathe be alive and them be under a ruthless dictator or be dead and they be free?

its all a choice that every one has to make.

never make a coment like that again.
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Did I say something wrong?

Congratulations on getting away with murder.
Thank you. But it wasn't murder.

Murder (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/murder): The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

History has shown that those unwilling to fight to preserve what others bought with their lives will lose that which was bought.
Name one instance of this occuring.

never make a coment like that again.
have some humor

thats why YOU have to deside whats imporant.

for some its love( they started a war over helen of troy)
others its power- the dream that all will answer to them, some want this so badly that they are willing to die trying.

family- yes its true that every one dies eventualy but would you rathe be alive and them be under a ruthless dictator or be dead and they be free?

its all a choice that every one has to make.

I geuses I cant argue that. oh and you've got a tg.

Name one instance of this occuring.
Did you pay attention during your history classes at all, or was that somehow boring and uninteresting to you?

Thank you. But it wasn't murder.

Murder (http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/murder): The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

What the hell did you do?:eek:

Did you pay attention during your history classes at all, or was that somehow boring and uninteresting to you?
lol :D nice one

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Did I say something wrong?

Perhaps the majority of his/her/its life is devoted to playing one of the many MMORPG's out there.

Where is country as an option? I mean that seems like the most obvious choice. I would fight my country hands down.

Did you pay attention during your history classes at all, or was that somehow boring and uninteresting to you?
Humor me. If it is as simple s you say, name an example.

What the hell did you do?:eek:
I was an Infantry officer for two years in Vietnam. You really should enable signatures.

Humor me. If it is as simple s you say, name an example.
No, because all you would do is nitpick to death any example I might bring up. I'm not in any mood to get into a pissing contest with you or any other knee-jerk, brainwashed ingenue.

And some others managed to destroy it all with their fighting.
Exaclty.

I'll of course fight in self-defense. I'll fight to safeguard my family. I'll also fight to defend the principles my nation was founded on. Especially Liberty. To be honest, my patriotism extends more to the ideals of the United States of America more than it does to the country itself. Governments change. Nations change. The ideals my country was intended to represent will hopefully live forever.

I was an Infantry officer for two years in Vietnam. You really should enable signatures.

Whoa, in the US wars in Vietnam??

How old are you? 50? (or thereabouts)

What rank are you?

how do you enebale signatures??(i feel like a noob)

I'll of course fight in self-defense. I'll fight to safeguard my family. I'll also fight to defend the principles my nation was founded on. Especially Liberty. To be honest, my patriotism extends more to the ideals of the United States of America more than it does to the country itself. Governments change. Nations change. The ideals my country was intended to represent will hopefully live forever.
That's commendable, but the problem in the current age is that by the time you are standing at your front door with a loaded gun, you've already lost the war.

No, because all you would do is nitpick to death any example I might bring up. I'm not in any mood to get into a pissing contest with you or any other knee-jerk, brainwashed ingenue.
My ideas are my own. In fact, I've never known anybody who agrees with me. How I could possibly be brainwashed is beyond me.

I will assume there are no examples and that you are just repeating “common knowledge.”

I have fought and killed to defend those who fight for themselves. I have done the same to defend my own life.

It is the duty of the strong to stand against those who prey apon the weak.

Whoa, in the US wars in Vietnam??

How old are you? 50? (or thereabouts)

What rank are you?

how do you enebale signatures??(i feel like a noob)
I'm 62. I am now a retired/disabled Captain.

I've forgotten how you enable signatures. Perhaps someone else will answer this for you.

You are a noob, here at any rate. Welcome. :)

I would fight my country hands down.
I would fight your country to! :D

My ideas are my own. In fact, I've never known anybody who agrees with me. How I could possibly be brainwashed is beyond me.

I will assume there are no examples and that you are just repeating “common knowledge.”
Yep. That's it. I'm stoopid and you're correct, just like always. :rolleyes:

I'm 62. I am now a retired/disabled Captain.

I've forgotten how you enable signatures. Perhaps someone else will answer this for you.

You are a noob, here at any rate. Welcome. :)

*Respect levels increase*

*Respect levels increase*
Thank you, but no need. I only expect the same level of respect due anyone else. :)

*Respect levels increase*
See, I don't get that bit. Automatic respect?

I really need to do my military service...

Yep. That's it. I'm stoopid and you're correct, just like always.
As long you understand the way the world works.

I don't fight.

I advocate, speak, march, protest, and petition ... but I do not, under any circumstances, fight.

See, I don't get that bit. Automatic respect?

I really need to do my military service...

It did me no end of good. Made me the man I am today. :D

See, I don't get that bit. Automatic respect?

I really need to do my military service...

he fought in a warzone, unless he was involved in crimes, i have some respect for anyone whos been in a war

I don't fight.

I advocate, speak, march, protest, and petition ... but I do not, under any circumstances, fight.

that in its self is a fight....although its with works, some times they can be more powerful and send a better message than any kind of physical confontation( wiht weapons or other wise)

I'd fight for my family, for my love, for my security, for my country, for my job security. I'd fight for anything I actually care about.

It did me no end of good. Made me the man I am today. :D
[ gets, very, very worried about the quality of military training ] ;)

that in its self is a fight....although its with works, some times they can be more powerful and send a better message than any kind of physical confontation( wiht weapons or other wise)
Only to those willing to listen and forbear.

There shoudl be a "fight for the country" option

There shoudl be a "fight for the country" option
The poll limits you to only ten options.

he fought in a warzone, unless he was involved in crimes, i have some respect for anyone whos been in a war
Fighting in a war zone should be a crime.

Fighting in a war zone should be a crime.
what you just said sould be a crime

Only to those willing to listen and forbear.
true. my grand pa( who flew b-52's in nam) told me
" Its not always the might of a country or the size of its weapons that wins a war, its the strenth of the mind of its solders that wins a country a war. with out it an military is nothing and has nothing"

I would fight your country to! :D
awesome:D

Fighting in a war zone should be a crime.
Why? I mean if rape isn't so bad, why should this be a crime?

Fighting in a war zone should be a crime.
How delightfully inconsistent of you, to advocate your own feedom to do as you please yet revile those who purchased that same freedom for you. I truly am surprised that your skull doesn't implode from sheer cognitive dissonance.

what you just said sould be a crime
Not at all. It's a right purchased at great price. Encourage him to use it, regardless of how demented his reasons.

...yet revile those who purchased that same freedom for you.
Just regarding this point. It's often being said that US soldiers have somehow created/protected the freedom of the American people (however you interpret that).

But realistically...when was the last time US soldiers fought, and if they had lost, American freedoms would have been destroyed?

Not at all. It's a right purchased at great price. Encourage him to use it, regardless of how demented his reasons.
people like that make me sick, they have no sense of what sacrifices were made for them.

Just regarding this point. It's often being said that US soldiers have somehow created/protected the freedom of the American people (however you interpret that).

But realistically...when was the last time US soldiers fought, and if they had lost, American freedoms would have been destroyed?

Right now

...I will assume there are no examples and that you are just repeating “common knowledge.”

I'm sure Eutrusca has many examples and is just too modest to give them. I am sure that if Eut had lived 140 years ago, he would have gallantly fought for the boys in blue to not only protect, but to expand the rights of freedom to all. He would have stood tall against those nasty evil slavers in the same way he fought against the commies. God Bless him.

I've given my time and my money to worthwhile causes, and i still do, i've protested, i've signed petitions, i've done lots of things in that regard to fight for what i believe in. I'm a pacifist though, so if i could at all help it, i would never kill for anything. I would hope though that i'd be willing to die for my friends or my family if it ever came to that.

Right now
Well, maybe you're not being particularly neutral on this. :D

But really...how? If Iraq had not been attacked, or if US troops would leave Iraq today - would that change anything in the US (other than perhaps the budget deficit)?

And even if Afghanistan hadn't been attacked, even if Bin Laden hadn't been troubled at all - would the freedoms in the US be any different? Maybe there would be less spying on people's private lives going on right now, don't you think?

Ever since air marshalls were introduced into airliners, the risk AQ can pose to the US is negligible.

Right now
Fucking lol.
The correct answer is the Civil War, and even then most of the soldiers couldn't have given a rat's ass about the fate of the slaves.
Why? I mean if rape isn't so bad, why should this be a crime?
War causes physical damage. You can touch it. Rape causes physical damage too, and that should be taken seriously, but it is possible to disregard any “emotional” damage if people would simply put themselves into the right mind-set.

War causes physical damage. You can touch it. Rape causes physical damage too, and that should be taken seriously, but it is possible to disregard any “emotional” damage if people would simply put themselves into the right mind-set.
I see. You mean entirely disregard emotions. Lovely. So then, which factory were you made in?

Rape causes physical damage too, and that should be taken seriously, but it is possible to disregard any “emotional” damage if people would simply put themselves into the right mind-set.
that is sick, rape is some thing that distroys a womans life.
in my opnion anyone who has raped anyone or the people that suport them should be hung- publicly.

Well, maybe you're not being particularly neutral on this. :D

But really...how? If Iraq had not been attacked, or if US troops would leave Iraq today - would that change anything in the US (other than perhaps the budget deficit)?

And even if Afghanistan hadn't been attacked, even if Bin Laden hadn't been troubled at all - would the freedoms in the US be any different? Maybe there would be less spying on people's private lives going on right now, don't you think?

Ever since air marshalls were introduced into airliners, the risk AQ can pose to the US is negligible.

Take a long view on this. Our enemies wish to impose thier beliefs on the rest of the world and are more than eager to kill those who don't agree with them. Sounds like a threat to our freedoms to me.

And airport security in the US is still a joke, just like the security of our borders.

Take a long view on this. Our enemies wish to impose thier beliefs on the rest of the world and are more than eager to kill those who don't agree with them. Sounds like a threat to our freedoms to me.
Please, it's like you're afraid of a mouse because he wants to eat all of your food. That doesn't mean he's capable of it.
And airport security in the US is still a joke,
More like a hassle.
just like the security of our borders.
Ah, so you're a xenophobe. Now it makes sense.

Take a long view on this. Our enemies wish to impose thier beliefs on the rest of the world and are more than eager to kill those who don't agree with them. Sounds like a threat to our freedoms to me.
Firstly, you didn't cover Iraq, so I assume you agree with me on that.

Secondly, it's not a threat if it doesn't have even the slightest chance of success. And if there was any point to this fight on Islamist terrorist groups and their ideology, the target would be Pakistan. Getting Musharraf to crack down seriously on some of those groups and foundations would do more than the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq combined.

And airport security in the US is still a joke, just like the security of our borders.
In what way? You can't get a gun on bord, and that's the only thing that matters if the air marshalls are there.

Well, maybe you're not being particularly neutral on this. :D
Oh. You mean like you are? :rolleyes:

I see. You mean entirely disregard emotions. Lovely. So then, which factory were you made in?
ROFLMFAO! :D

Oh. You mean like you are? :rolleyes:
As I understand it, he's some sort of grunt/officer in the USMC. I would therefore assume that he's not.

As for me, I'm in no military, nor am I American, nor do I buy into this whole "Terrorists destroy my freedoms" thing. I do however appreciate it when people get freed from oppressive dictatorships, or when I personally am less likely to be killed by some terrorist.
Whatever you want to say, I don't think I have a vested in interest in misrepresenting stuff either way.

But realistically...when was the last time US soldiers fought, and if they had lost, American freedoms would have been destroyed?
The War of 1812 is all that can be conclusively proven, and going past that you run up against the Terry Pratchett quote: "It is in the nature of things that those who save the world from certain destruction often don't get hugely rewarded because, since the certain destruction does not take place, people are uncertain how certain it may have been and are, therefore, somewhat tight when it comes to handing out anything more substantial than praise."
For example, it could be argued that an Asia dominated by Soviets is no less dangerous than a Europe dominated by Nazis, and the US survived the first well enough.

I don't think I have a vested in interest in misrepresenting stuff either way.
[/ATTACKMODE] Good point. My bad.

I suspect that sometimes I get so defensive about this sort of thing that I take offense where none was intended.

Firstly, you didn't cover Iraq, so I assume you agree with me on that.

Secondly, it's not a threat if it doesn't have even the slightest chance of success. And if there was any point to this fight on Islamist terrorist groups and their ideology, the target would be Pakistan. Getting Musharraf to crack down seriously on some of those groups and foundations would do more than the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq combined.


In what way? You can't get a gun on bord, and that's the only thing that matters if the air marshalls are there.

No i don't agree with you on Iraq. I've been on the ground there, and the reporting of what is happening there is almost nothing like what is really going on. I don't believe that you are open minded enough to understand that.

The largest threat comes from those who beleive in appeasement. The terrorist say if you do what we say, we will go away, otherwise we will blow up (insert target here). Too many people are so fearfull of conflict that they are willing to give them what ever they want in the hopes that the bad guys will go away.

Getting guns, knives, and explosives is still insanely easy with a little preperation. All our security measures just provide the illusion of saftey and nothing more.

No i don't agree with you on Iraq. I've been on the ground there, and the reporting of what is happening there is almost nothing like what is really going on. I don't believe that you are open minded enough to understand that.
But what does that have to do with American freedoms?

The largest threat comes from those who beleive in appeasement. The terrorist say if you do what we say, we will go away, otherwise we will blow up (insert target here). Too many people are so fearfull of conflict that they are willing to give them what ever they want in the hopes that the bad guys will go away.
Not really. I've been saying for some time that I believe the best way to deal with AQ is through police operations, probably best done through Interpol.
On the other hand, there should be encouragement for oppressive regimes in the area to liberalise and open up, as well as making sure that those regimes don't contain elements of Islamist organisations as is most likely the case in Pakistan.
Pretty much all Islamic terrorist groups and associates have developed as anti-government movements at home, in response to the oppression of those states.

To defeat them, we don't need to get one soldier out of his barracks.

Getting guns, knives, and explosives is still insanely easy with a little preperation. All our security measures just provide the illusion of saftey and nothing more.
Say what you will, but before 9/11, plane hijackings were quite common. One heard about them every few months. Today, I hear much less about that sort of thing.

I would fight for a good cheese sandwich.

I fight for lethargy.
Or I would if I could be bothered.

I fight for lethargy.
Or I would if I could be bothered.
One of these days, I'll get around to fighting for procrastination. Maybe we could get together then?

One of these days, I'll get around to fighting for procrastination. Maybe we could get together then?
*sigh* I guess. We can try. If I'm not too busy. *sigh*

I would fight for my right to party.
i would too, and i'm being serious

"If I'm going to die for a word, that word is 'poontang'".

"If I'm going to die for a word, that word is 'poontang'".


Animal mother: If I'm gonna get my balls blown off for a word, my word is poontang.

Seven-six-two millimeter. Full metal jacket.

sorry I jst got ta put more FMJ quotes in.

This is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy, who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my rifle and myself are defenders of my country, we are the masters of my enemy, we are the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen.

Freedom.

meaning what? freedom from what?

At the moment? Money.
Through that money? Power.

meaning what? freedom from what?
Well obviously freedom from freedom fires, silly.

History has shown that those unwilling to fight to preserve what others bought with their lives will lose that which was bought.
There are no current threats. I merely said that I don't physically fight. Would I fight in the face of threats? Yes, I certainly would.

a better world on my terms :P

Until there is no enemy, but peace.

Having people learn about me in history class and failing the project on me sounds good.
Or to be a 'gimme' question on a theme edition of Trivial Pursuit...

Until there is no enemy, but peace.
"Pere Ubu, there is nothing left but the rubble. How do we destroy that?"
"The only way is to build something on it."

someone's going to nail me on that quote, 'cause I knowz I got it wrong, I just don't feel like looking it up.

For a free and anarchic world

I don't fight for anything. There isn't anything worth fighting for yet.

For my God, my friends and the British Crown.

'Till the Last!

I don't fight for anything. There isn't anything worth fighting for yet.

yes there is, they're watching you! all the time...

aaaaarg, I'm going insane!

For a free and anarchic world

Anarchy dosen't work it is an inpossibility.

I wonder how many expressing their opinion in this thread have actually ever been in battle.

Mostly, you fight for your mates.

Everything else is in the baloney-department.

Anarchy dosen't work it is an inpossibility.


And even if it did, it would be the easiest of prey for even one single platoon of infantry.


*shrug*

The human race is divided between the motherf*ckers and the motherf*cked.

Which one describes you ( as an individual reader ) best?

And even if it did, it would be the easiest of prey for even one single platoon of infantry.


*shrug*

The human race is divided between the motherf*ckers and the motherf*cked.

Which one describes you ( as an individual reader ) best?

I've been threw battle befor. and as for what describes me? I'm just passing threw.

Theres no option for "The Motherland"
(I'm being serious)

Damn right comrade!
:upyours:

Fighting for freedom, wherever there's trouble.

Over land, and sea, and air.

Megaloria is there.

Meines gutes, Du hat meine Faden getötet.

Oh, well serious then?

Well, I want to change the world. Personally I think the current state of society is on a downward spiral toward self-destruction, not something I'd like to see. I want to take charge and lead the world to a new era.

But it seems like everyone before me who has tried that usually gets their entire lives summed up into a section of a chapter. Heh.

Well Said!

Short of trying to save my life, I wouldn't fight unless to protect my family, extremely close friends (of which I currently have none) or my dogs, or to get revenge on anyone who hurt or insulted any of the above, even if only to make me feel better about it.

I'd like to be famous, but rather for scientific/medical discovery than bravery on the front. Just the kind of person I am I guess.

has anyone said:


YOUR RIGHT TO PARTY


?

I fight for people and my views both of which I'll fight all of you to the death for

Mmm, maybe I'm a romantic sap, but the only thing I would die for is my love. That's not to say that I don't care about certain ideals, but... I put a fairly high value on my own life. The only life that I value more than my own is hers. Am I a coward? I think not. I think I am the same as every other person in this world (with a few genuine exceptions), only more brutally honest.

Mmm, maybe I'm a romantic sap, but the only thing I would die for is my love. That's not to say that I don't care about certain ideals, but... I put a fairly high value on my own life. The only life that I value more than my own is hers. Am I a coward? I think not. I think I am the same as every other person in this world (with a few genuine exceptions), only more brutally honest.
A coward? Maybe, can’t be discerned from the limited information given.
Disgusting and annoying, yes.

A coward? Maybe, can’t be discerned from the limited information given.
Disgusting and annoying, yes.

Is it? Is it disgusting that I would not die for a family that mocks me nearly daily, for a father that I have had to literally fight off with my bare hands? Is it disgusting that I would not die for a nation and society that has made my life a living hell, just because I percieve the world differently than most? Is it disgusting that I would not die for people that call themselves my friends, but will not invite me to the most trivial of gatherings? Indeed, am I disgusting? One person in this world has consistently shown me respect and affection. And I would do anything for her. My head is not filled with foolish idealist notions. I know who my friends are, I know what matters to me. Am I disgusting? I do not believe I am.

Anyways, this is a little rant I've had building up for a while. You probally all heard more than you wanted to, but I needed a response.....

Meines gutes, Du hat meine Faden getötet.
Hihihihihihihihi! :D

Is it? Is it disgusting that I would not die for a family that mocks me nearly daily, for a father that I have had to literally fight off with my bare hands? Is it disgusting that I would not die for a nation and society that has made my life a living hell, just because I percieve the world differently than most? Is it disgusting that I would not die for people that call themselves my friends, but will not invite me to the most trivial of gatherings? Indeed, am I disgusting? One person in this world has consistently shown me respect and affection. And I would do anything for her. My head is not filled with foolish idealist notions. I know who my friends are, I know what matters to me. Am I disgusting? I do not believe I am.

Anyways, this is a little rant I've had building up for a while. You probally all heard more than you wanted to, but I needed a response.....
You misunderstand me. I find love, in general, to be disgusting and pathetic. Your family, friends and country could burn for all I care.

Devoting yourself to another human being is foolish as they will inevitably disappoint you.

You misunderstand me. I find love, in general, to be disgusting and pathetic. Your family, friends and country could burn for all I care.

Devoting yourself to another human being is foolish as they will inevitably disappoint you.

You know, I'm getting a heavy 'I've been terribly emotionally wounded in the past' vibe from you Undelia - could your aversion towards (if that's the phrase I mean) emotion in general be due to some experience you've had previously? Like someone you cared about very deeply wounded you or something? Just wondering.


But as to the thread itself - I don't know exactly what I'd fight for. The list would be brief to say the least (I'm something of a pacifist, and when you throw a generous mix of laziness and a pinch of cowardice into that mix there you go). I know I wouldn't kill for anything.

However, I would die for a few things. My God (definitely) my love - when I love someone I really do. This applies mainly to sexual partners as it were. I would probably also die for my friends/family. In fact, most people - I don't value my life especially highly.

To what end? just so your name is in history book? what good is that?


In the end, if and how people remember you is the only thing that matters. If you were to die right now, who would remember you? Your family and friends. But what happens when they die? If you made a big enough impression, they might of been nice enough to pass down their memories of you to their children. However, eventually your memory will fade, and you will only become another name on a tombstone. People will glance over your name without even thinking about who you once were. Eventually it will be like you never existed in the first place.

However, if you were to change the world in a momentous way, strangers will remember you as well. Historians will have lively debates about your motives and actions. People all over the world will admire or despise you, or feel no emotion toward you at all but still know you. Students will read about your exploits, some possibly hoping to emulate you. You will in a have achieved immortality.

Nothing is worth killing or dying for.

Fighting is another matter, that is more personal.

You know, I'm getting a heavy 'I've been terribly emotionally wounded in the past' vibe from you Undelia - could your aversion towards (if that's the phrase I mean) emotion in general be due to some experience you've had previously? Like someone you cared about very deeply wounded you or something? Just wondering.
Yeah, my father savagely beat me on a daily basis and my mother was a raging alcoholic.:rolleyes:
Please, don’t try to psychoanalyze people over the internet, and never do it unless you’re qualified.

Truth is, I’ve led a fairly normal life, no terrible trauma or anything. For whatever reason, I simply find the actions and thoughts of the vast majority of human beings to be disgusting.

Yeah, my father savagely beat me on a daily basis and my mother was a raging alcoholic.:rolleyes:
Please, don’t try to psychoanalyze people over the internet, and never do it unless you’re qualified.

Truth is, I’ve led a fairly normal life, no terrible trauma or anything. For whatever reason, I simply find the actions and thoughts of the vast majority of human beings to be disgusting.

*Cough* Well to be fair I have several friends whos parents are rather similar to that, and they are much the same as you, so I don't think it was an entirely unfair judgement. However, if that's not the case then that's fair enough. And don't psychoanalyse without training? Everyone does it, all the time - all those tiny judgements we make of people. It's just that most people associate 'psychoanalyse' with a more in-depth study than most people automatically perform.

Out of interest do you find your own actions/thoughts disgusting at all?

I will fight for what I believe in. That can be broken down into basically - the right to live one's own life, unencumbered by the demands of others. No one has the right to tell me or anyone what I should be, think or do.

Nothing else is worth my life. But that is.

In the end we humans fight really for only ourselves. WE fight for our wants, needs, beliefs, power, money, and etc...All of these hold no real value in life. Its just to us they are something dear to us and its wat we want to see exist to be there for us that we fight for it. A soldier goes off to war to fight for his country :sniper: or ideology :mp5: ....later he fights for himself and his comrades in order to survive. That is wat a human fights for....me i fight for myself and no one else because i seek to become strong.....to me this is the way of warrior.....

These are great days we're living, bros. We are jolly green giants, walking the Earth with guns. These people we wasted here today are the finest human beings we will ever know. After we rotate back to the world, we're gonna miss not having anyone around that's worth shooting.

has anyone said:

YOUR RIGHT TO PARTY?
Yes, and it was just as innane then as it is now. :rolleyes:

These are great days we're living, bros. We are jolly green giants, walking the Earth with guns. These people we wasted here today are the finest human beings we will ever know. After we rotate back to the world, we're gonna miss not having anyone around that's worth shooting.
Heh! That was actually a pretty good movie. Strange, but that's almost the same way I felt about those I fought.

I fight to protect those who cannot protect themselves. I also fight against demonic forces as well as evil in the world. I am more than willing to die for my cause (and know it could happen, my Master and his Master were both killed :( ). I do not wish to kill any one, but there are times when there is no other way.

Nothing is worth killing or dying for.
Better to die for something than live for nothing.

Better to die for something than live for nothing.
That is true.

Better still to live for something though.


In my case I fight for fairness.

Out of interest do you find your own actions/thoughts disgusting at all?
Occasionally.
Better to die for something than live for nothing.
It is always better to live.

In my case I fight for fairness.
Fairness cannot exist on an imperfect world. There is no such thing.

Better still to live for something though.

In my case I fight for fairness.
Fairness, like safety, is an illusion.

Fairness cannot exist on an imperfect world. There is no such thing.

All the more reason to fight for it. It needs all the help it can get. However it can exist when we collectively choose it. (By this I mean each of us individually chooses to be fair, not that fairness is imposed on us by the 'collective')

Fairness, like safety, is an illusion.

Good morning you old codger (Alien Born here)

Fairness is not an illusion, it is an attitude. Safety is an illusion, in that you are never safe. You can, however, be fair. (on a case by case basis)

All the more reason to fight for it. It needs all the help it can get. However it can exist when we collectively choose it. (By this I mean each of us individually chooses to be fair, not that fairness is imposed on us by the 'collective')
The point of communism was for complete equality. Look at what happened there. It didn't work, and it won't work. The main reason is because most people won't accept it when it is fair for some one else to have/be more.

The point of communism was for complete equality. Look at what happened there. It didn't work, and it won't work. The main reason is because most people won't accept it when it is fair for some one else to have/be more.

Do not confuse fairness with equality. Of course people accept that it is fair for one person to have more if that person deserves more, that is the basis of the whole social system that we have today. The communist system was one that tried to eliminate this inequality of outcome, and as a result failed.

i fight for the right to be listened to.
i would fight for my friends family and country if the need ever arose
i would fight for the righs of others if they were being suppressed
i would fight for my life if it were indangered, but i would also sacrifice my self if it ment that others would live.

i fight for the right to be listened to.
i would fight for my friends family and country if the need ever arose
i would fight for the righs of others if they were being suppressed
i would fight for my life if it were indangered, but i would also sacrifice my self if it ment that others would live.

one myrter is worth a thousand terrorists

Do not confuse fairness with equality. Of course people accept that it is fair for one person to have more if that person deserves more, that is the basis of the whole social system that we have today. The communist system was one that tried to eliminate this inequality of outcome, and as a result failed.
To many fairness is equality (not to myself, but to some of my friends). I would accept some one having more than myself, and you seem like you would, but I don't think that everyone would. It can't be fair as long as there is sin. People lie and cheat to get ahead, it is the human nature, and it isn't fair when they don't work honestly like some other people do (though I know in the end what my reward will be). For fairness to exist, there can be no sin. There will always be sin here on Earth.

i fight for the right to be listened to.
i would fight for my friends family and country if the need ever arose
i would fight for the righs of others if they were being suppressed
i would fight for my life if it were indangered, but i would also sacrifice my self if it ment that others would live.
Similar to what I fight for. I would sacrifice myself for a complete stranger if they were in danger (unless they were doing evil, then I could not).

Similar to what I fight for. I would sacrifice myself for a complete stranger if they were in danger (unless they were doing evil, then I could not).

Would you realy? hmph Ive been in situations where it could be my life or theres and its never as eay as you say. when the time for the deed comes. will you honestly give up your life for that stranger? I've come off lucky where I haven't had to make that decision.

Would you realy? hmph Ive been in situations where it could be my life or theres and its never as eay as you say. when the time for the deed comes. will you honestly give up your life for that stranger? I've come off luck where I haven't had to make that decision.
I know I would, it it were necessary I know that God would give the strength. I have been in several situations where I almost did give my life, and each time I never have had to think twice after I knew that the person I would make the sacrifice for was in the right (how? by spiritual discernment, it is complicated).

I would only fight for a few things. Any of my close friends or family, as everyone else here seems to think. I would also fight for my country, but nobody wants to invade Australia, we're too far out of the way. I refuse to fight a war in another country though, it just seems way too stupid to me.

I refuse to fight a war in another country though, it just seems way too stupid to me.

stupid bush bashers

one myrter is worth a thousand terrorists
* pulls out a shot gun and sits on front pourch"
bring it on :cool:

shotgun? try this http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl21-e.htm its a full auto gernade launcher.

shotgun? try this http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl21-e.htm its a full auto gernade launcher.
I am happy with my hand gun and sword.

To many fairness is equality (not to myself, but to some of my friends). I would accept some one having more than myself, and you seem like you would, but I don't think that everyone would. It can't be fair as long as there is sin. People lie and cheat to get ahead, it is the human nature, and it isn't fair when they don't work honestly like some other people do (though I know in the end what my reward will be). For fairness to exist, there can be no sin. There will always be sin here on Earth.

Sin is a completely artificial concept. It is about transgression of rules imposed by others for their benefit. At least that is my view of it. It has nothing to do with fairness in any way. It appears, nevertheless, that you are not referring to sin, but to selfishness. Now here is where we disagree. Any truly intelligent person will see, if they stop and think about it, that being fair to others is the best strategy for both themselves in the long term and for the overall size of the pie. It is the short termist zero sum thinking of 'if he gets more then I get less' that you are attacking. This is not a sin, it is stupidity.

(Remember I said that I fight for fairness, which means that I will argue for it when possible)

shotgun? try this http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl21-e.htm its a full auto gernade launcher.
yah well my budget only alows for a shot gun and a .22:)

I am happy with my hand gun and sword.

do you know how to use either of those?

yah well my budget only alows for a shot gun and a .22:)

budget smudget get one!

Git some! Git some! Git some, yeah, yeah, yeah! Anyone that runs, is a VC. Anyone that stands still, is a well-disciplined VC!

do you know how to use either of those?
Of course I do. I took fencing (sabre) and a friend of mine taught me how to use the gun. I'll admit I didn't fence for more than a year, but my experience in some martial arts allowed me to create a different style.

Of course I do. I took fencing (sabre) and a friend of mine taught me how to use the gun. I'll admit I didn't fence for more than a year, but my experience in some martial arts allowed me to creat a different style.

Hybrid styles tend to floop. I took saber for three years, broadsword for two and Ive been shooting since I've been in diapers. tryed martial arts but didn't like it. I prefered greeko roman and freestyle wrestling.

Sin is a completely artificial concept. It is about transgression of rules imposed by others for their benefit. At least that is my view of it. It has nothing to do with fairness in any way. It appears, nevertheless, that you are not referring to sin, but to selfishness. Now here is where we disagree. Any truly intelligent person will see, if they stop and think about it, that being fair to others is the best strategy for both themselves in the long term and for the overall size of the pie. It is the short termist zero sum thinking of 'if he gets more then I get less' that you are attacking. This is not a sin, it is stupidity.

(Remember I said that I fight for fairness, which means that I will argue for it when possible)
I believe that sin is not an artificial concept, and it has everything to do with fairness. Without sin and selfish desires, everything would be fair, but that isn't going to happen. Not every one likes to think long term, so they don't see the big picture. Most people would understand it, if they stopped to think about, but all are sinful and sin blinds us and makes us see things in a way different from reality. I am blessed to have been forgiven for my sins, though I am not perfect. Although, that last sentence really had nothing to do with this discussion. I see like this. People sin. Sin makes it so that it isn't fair. Fairness can't exist because it is human nature to sin.

ah one more thing that i fight ( tho not to the death) is ignorance.

ah one more thing that i fight ( tho not to the death) is ignorance.

ok what did I do or say this time?

Hybrid styles tend to floop. I took saber for three years, broadsword for two and Ive been shooting since I've been in diapers. tryed martial arts but didn't like it. I prefered greeko roman and freestyle wrestling.
Most hybrid styles aren't very good, that is why one must be extremly careful when using them. There are several situation in which my style is no good, but I use the Keyi style then (very simple) and it hasn't failed me yet. (You probably haven't heard of the Keyi style. It is the style created over a century ago by those in the Keyi- a secret society- before me).

ok what did I do or say this time?
i was just saying in general....had nothing to do with you

I believe that sin is not an artificial concept, and it has everything to do with fairness. Without sin and selfish desires, everything would be fair, but that isn't going to happen. Not every one likes to think long term, so they don't see the big picture. Most people would understand it, if they stopped to think about, but all are sinful and sin blinds us and makes us see things in a way different from reality. I am blessed to have been forgiven for my sins, though I am not perfect. Although, that last sentence really had nothing to do with this discussion. I see like this. People sin. Sin makes it so that it isn't fair. Fairness can't exist because it is human nature to sin.

So we are going to have to disagree as I do not hold the same basic beliefs as you do. Sin is a term that is tied to organised religion and as I am not a member of any organised reigious group, for me sin is an abstract term that has no connection with my experience. You can believe we are all sinners, but for me this is an empty statement. I can respect your belief but I can neither understand it nor share in it.

Most hybrid styles aren't very good, that is why one must be extremly careful when using them. There are several situation in which my style is no good, but I use the Keyi style then (very simple) and it hasn't failed me yet. (You probably haven't heard of the Keyi style. It is the style created over a century ago by those in the Keyi- a secret society- before me).


har har funny:rolleyes:

i was just saying in general....had nothing to do with you

sure it didn't

har har funny:rolleyes:
I was being serious.

sure it didn't
honestly it didn't

Like Fight Club, violence for the sake of peace:)

honestly it didn't

I'm just joking around. yeach

I was being serious.

and I was being sarcastic whats your point?

I'm just joking around. yeach
oops, my bad :p

and I was being sarcastic whats your point?
Glad you weren't being serious, because the Keyi (not me, secret society, if you want to know more go to my Secrets You Have That You Don't Want to Be Secrets Anymore thread) is not funny.

oops, my bad :p

is my humor realy that bad?

I fight for the hell of it. I mean what difference does it make what I do with my life. Twenty years after I die, how many people will remember, how many people will care. One, maybe two. So I say live life to the fullest, experience as many things as possible. Don't knock it until you tried it.

I do however have a personal question for you The Fallen Dead, how old are you?

I fight for the hell of it. I mean what difference does it make what I do with my life. Twenty years after I die, how many people will remember, how many people will care. One, maybe two. So I say live life to the fullest, experience as many things as possible. Don't knock it until you tried it.

I do however have a personal question for you The Fallen Dead, how old are you?

what dose my age matter? i am willing to tell you but first tell me what relivence it has.

is my humor realy that bad?
no, its just late- i dont do so well with reconising hummor when its late

no, its just late- i dont do so well with reconising hummor when its late

ah ok.

what dose my age matter? i am willing to tell you but first tell me what relivence it has.
Just curious. Your location makes me curious.

Almost 19 I joined the marine corp a little while back. In march I'm headed for Paris Island then lejune for infantry training. and I'm pretty sure I spelled Lejune wrong.

Almost 19 I joined the marine corp a little while back. In march I'm headed for Paris Island then lejune for infantry training. and I'm pretty sure I spelled Lejune wrong.
Younger than me. . .

Younger than me. . .

Whats your point?

Almost 19 I joined the marine corp a little while back. In march I'm headed for Paris Island then lejune for infantry training. and I'm pretty sure I spelled Lejune wrong.
Ok, I hate to say it, but I thought so.

Have fun in bootcamp. Lejeune.

Whats your point?
Didn't have one that time, first time in a long time.

gee i feel quite young, owell i guess i had best get use to it.

For Queen and country! God Save the Queen.
For the motherland! Боже спаси, Боже храни, српске земље, српски род!

More for the Queen than anything else though. I'm more Canadian than Yugo. Not to mention I made an Oath of Allegiance to Her.

It's why I'm applying into the air force. =)

For Queen and country! God Save the Queen.
For the motherland! Боже спаси, Боже храни, српске земље, српски род!

More for the Queen than anything else though. I'm more Canadian than Yugo. Not to mention I made an Oath of Allegiance to Her.

It's why I'm applying into the air force. =)

AIRFORCE?!?!?!?! come on thier a bunch of couch potatos!

AIRFORCE?!?!?!?! come on thier a bunch of couch potatos!
least he's taking more initiative than alot of people.

least he's taking more initiative than alot of people.

ok fine Ill give him that but the airfoce?

ok fine Ill give him that but the airfoce?
First going with comments he said earlier, I'd be willing to say he's canadian. The Russian threw me off, but I'd still say he's Canadian.

Besides, the Marine Corps isn't everyone's cup of tea. After seeing the difference yourself, you'll understand.

I've met alot of active duty marines, and you can tell just from the way someone acts.

First going with comments he said earlier, I'd be willing to say he's canadian. The Russian threw me off, but I'd still say he's Canadian.

Besides, the Marine Corps isn't everyone's cup of tea. After seeing the difference yourself, you'll understand.

I've met alot of active duty marines, and you can tell just from the way someone acts.

yes mother...Cant a guy have some fun?

yes mother...Cant a guy have some fun?
I wasn't telling you how to act, son, I was telling you that just by the information you gave I could tell you weren't marine. Just because you've signed up to go to boot camp doesn't make you a marine, your a marine after you graduate from Paris Island, MCRD San Diego, or Quantico. Any Marine can tell the difference between a brother and a wannabe.

I wasn't telling you how to act, son, I was telling you that just by the information you gave I could tell you weren't marine. Just because you've signed up to go to boot camp doesn't make you a marine, your a marine after you graduate from Paris Island, MCRD San Diego, or Quantico. Any Marine can tell the difference between a brother and a wannabe.

yes mother and I never said I was a marine I just said that I had joined for basic.

Who said that? Who the fuck said that? Who's the slimy little communist shit, twinkle-toed cocksucker down here who just signed his own death warrant? Nobody, huh? The fairy fucking godmother said it. Out-fucking-standing. I will PT you all until you fucking die. I'll PT you until your assholes are sucking buttermilk.

I'm looking at airfield engineering and/or fighter pilot. Airfield engineers are a sort of field command position. It's for those air force people that have that lil bit of army in them =P

Was it you, you scroungy little FUCK, huh?!

Sir, no, sir!

You piece of shit I bet it was you

Sir, no, sir!

Sir, I said it, sir!

Well, what do we have here, a fucking comedian, a private joker? I admire your honesty, hell I like you. You can come over to my house and fuck my sister! *punch* You scumbag! I've got your name, I've got your ass! You will not laugh! You will not cry! You will learn by the numbers! I will teach you, now get up! Get on your feet! You had best unfuck yourself, or I will unscrew your head, and shit down your neck!

I'm looking at airfield engineering and/or fighter pilot. Airfield engineers are a sort of field command position. It's for those air force people that have that lil bit of army in them =P

Engineering I can forgive but my dads a pilot so yeah.... nice quote by the way.

Bet if we try hard enough we could get the whole movie in here.

It's Serbo-Croat, not Russian. I am a first gen Canadian.

Ah, the USMC. I never could understand why someone would want to be treated like a piece of shit. If I were American, I'd rather go Ranger or SEALs, assuming I wanted to go the land route..

Door Gunner: 'Cuz I'm so fuckin' good! I done got me 157 dead gooks killed. Plus 50 water buffalo too! Them's all confirmed!
Private Joker: Any women or children?
Door Gunner: Sometimes!
Private Joker: How can you shoot women or children?
Door Gunner: Easy! Ya just don't lead 'em so much! Ain't war hell?

Bet if we try hard enough we could get the whole movie in here.
You probably could, but then it would be considered spam, and the thread would be locked

No doubt...is it sad to have memorized the entire intro line of Hartman?

Yay pilots. It's my first choice, engineering is second. Royal Canadian Air Cadets got me into it. =)

To this day, I still get bugged by that door gunner.

To this day, I still get bugged by that door gunner.
Now, just imagine, thats what my dad did in vietnam, same branch too!

I would fight to the death those who which to sap my precious bodily fluids. I do deny them my essence.

I would fight to the death those who which to sap my precious bodily fluids. I do deny them my essence.

Oh brother. sounds like something out of 'dr strange love'

Crazy. ah war. You suck. I hope to serve in the Stan or Suck after I graduate. I, however, have no clue what Canadian military commitments will be 4 years down the road when/if I get my commission.

Theres no option for "The Motherland"
(I'm being serious)
Or the Fatherland. I chose "I don't know" anyway because sometimes they aren't worth fight for. If I find something worthy of my blood in the next hour or so, I'll be sure to send the idea along.:D So far, though, I have maybe my Queen of Athens.

Indeed. Fighting/killing is something I would rather avoid if at all possible. I truly don't know how easy it will be to knowingly kill someone.

The only other instance aside for Queen and country, or the Motherland, would be in a forced situation where it involves the possible death of an innocent and/or myself.

To this day, I still get bugged by that door gunner.
Me too. If I had been there I would have jacked him up about a mile high! :mad:

I fight for impurity.

I would fight to the death those who which to sap my precious bodily fluids. I do deny them my essence.
Thank you, Dr. Strangelove! :p

I would have most certainly knocked him out. Something about the Geneva Conventions stipulating that killing civilians is rather illegal, and that the US is a signatory nation. Maybe.

Indeed. Fighting/killing is something I would rather avoid if at all possible. I truly don't know how easy it will be to knowingly kill someone.
if you're lucky, it's never "easy."

I would have most certainly knocked him out. Something about the Geneva Conventions stipulating that killing civilians is rather illegal, and that the US is a signatory nation. Maybe.
I was a Captain and he would have been in more trouble than you can shake a stick at!

No doubt. Maybe I will be lucky, but something tells me I won't be.

Heh heh. I believe it.

I fight for impurity.
Impurity doesn't need anyone to fight for it. It's its own justification. :D

No doubt. Maybe I will be lucky, but something tells me I won't be.

Heh heh. I believe it.
LOL! Well, my first impulse would probably have been to pull out my .45 and put it to his head and tell him that if he shot one more civilian, he would be next! :D

LOL! Well, my first impulse would probably have been to pull out my .45 and put it to his head and tell him that if he shot one more civilian, he would be next! :D

Hehe. I'd say mine would be that, or hurting him. I'm thinking it would be less of a mess to pull out my Sig 226. Keep red tape out of it.

Hehe. I'd say mine would be that, or hurting him. I'm thinking it would be less of a mess to pull out my Sig 226. Keep red tape out of it.
But then you would probably have to face a Court Martial. Not a very pleasant experience.

Eut, I just realized something, you were in the same time my father was in.

Eut, I just realized something, you were in the same time my father was in.
Kewl! I was in from 14 January 1966 until 01 May 2000.

Kewl! I was in from 14 January 1966 until 01 May 2000.
I meant in Vietnam, My dad left after 69'

I meant in Vietnam, My dad left after 69'
Ah. I was in 'Nam from September 1967 - September 1969.

What unit was he in, do you know?

Possibly, hence why first reactions are best not implemented until somewhat thought out.

Possibly, hence why first reactions are best not implemented until somewhat thought out.
Acting on impulse is almost always a bad idea. :D

Ah. I was in 'Nam from September 1967 - September 1969.

What unit was he in, do you know?
He was in a helicopter outfit, I dont' know off the top of my head.

Indeed! It be 0238h over here. Take it easy, all!

Indeed! It be 0238h over here. Take it easy, all!
G'night!

He was in a helicopter outfit, I dont' know off the top of my head.
I knew lots of helicopter pilots and crewmembers. Use to fly with them a lot.

I knew lots of helicopter pilots and crewmembers. Use to fly with them a lot.
I could be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure he was in squadron 165

It would be a medium helicopter unit with the marines, and he would be a gunner.

I could be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure he was in squadron 165

It would be a medium helicopter unit with the marines, and he would be a gunner.
Ah! I didn't have much contact with the Marines. They were all further North than the units I was with. My counterinsurgency team worked primarily in the Central Highlands, for example.

Ah! I didn't have much contact with the Marines. They were all further North than the units I was with. My counterinsurgency team worked primarily in the Central Highlands, for example.
Ah, I'd have been surprised if you had ran into his unit.

Ah, I'd have been surprised if you had ran into his unit.
Me too, but 'Nam wasn't all that big and people shuffled around a lot. I may have, but it's unlikely.

I would die for any kid. If he or she is younger then 20 I would die for them. I would die for any family member or friend. My Life isn't important to me and i have put my life on the line a couple times to save friends and even strangers. Now i wouldn't be reckless because it would be selfish of me to live life recklessly. All in all I would die for the betterment of mankind, and i don't mean economically. I don't even have specific morales that i would die for. I just strive to spread kindness to others and hopefully encourage others to do the same.

...I would die for any kid. If he or she is younger then 20 I would die for them....



I would not have died for either Corey Haim or Corey Feldman between the ages of 14-20.

Me too, but 'Nam wasn't all that big and people shuffled around a lot. I may have, but it's unlikely.
You weren't a green beret were you?

Cause I'm sorting through some photo's of my dad's unit, some of which he submitted, and there was a picture of an unidentified green beret.

You weren't a green beret were you?

Cause I'm sorting through some photo's of my dad's unit, some of which he submitted, and there was a picture of an unidentified green beret.
Sorta. I was a specialist in counterinsurgency operations and was attached to the 5th Special Forces Group in Vietnam for part of the time.

Sorta. I was a specialist in counterinsurgency operations and was attached to the 5th Special Forces Group in Vietnam for part of the time.
ah, well I'll let you to it. I have a final in seven hours, and I need to sleep before it.

here (http://www.hmm165whiteknights.com/namphoto/1967pho5.htm) If the second to last photo on this page brings back any memories, which I seriously doubt, then I be tthey would be thrilled to know.

There really should be the good answer, "I wouldn't" as an option. Might explain the Other being ranked so high.

For me, Honor would be the best answer, certainly not oil or whatever the government wants. :)

ah, well I'll let you to it. I have a final in seven hours, and I need to sleep before it.

here (http://www.hmm165whiteknights.com/namphoto/1967pho5.htm) If the second to last photo on this page brings back any memories, which I seriously doubt, then I be tthey would be thrilled to know.
Damn! That sure does look like me, but I don't remember that. Weird!

Must be some other really good-looking guy! :D

Why Cookies, of course! After all, who wouldn't sacrifice everything for such delicious morsels?

But they’d have to be damned good cookies right. Not some cheap vanilla ones.

I try to avoid fights and putting myself in a position where I end up getting in fights. I really don't have anything to prove to anyone. I think of violence in terms of being a painter who avoids canvasses.

If I’m with someone that I feel the need to protect (remember ladies when a swarm of violent youths surrounds you and your boyfriend late at night, please don’t grab onto his arm for reassurance, it’s really not a good habit. I mean who’s side are you on here?) or someone breaks into my home then bad things will happen, but otherwise I don’t have a problem with breaking contact and running. Although I have to say that if some punk gets blatantly disrespectful in my face and won’t leave it alone, I’ve been known to get a bit on the angsty side.

The Bruce