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My Comentaries (these are for you Fass)
#1) this wont go very far Because there is no Video..
#2) If there is no Video.. it automatically means "unfounded and/or exaggerated".
Monday, March 20, 2006 --OceanNEWS © 2006--

Police say GIs executed 11, including baby
BAGHDAD, Iraq — Iraqi police have accused U.S. troops of executing 11 people, including a 75-year-old woman and a 6-month-old infant, in the aftermath of a raid Wednesday on a house about 60 miles north of Baghdad.

The villagers were killed after U.S. troops herded them into a single room of the house, according to a police document obtained by Knight Ridder Newspapers. The soldiers also burned three vehicles, killed the villagers' animals and blew up the house, the document said.

Accusations that U.S. troops have killed civilians are commonplace in Iraq, though most are judged later to be unfounded or exaggerated.

A U.S. military spokesman, Maj. Tim Keefe, said that the U.S. military has no information to support the allegations and that he had not heard of them before.
...
Navy investigators announced last week that they were looking into whether Marines intentionally killed 15 Iraqi civilians — four of them women and five of them children — during fighting in November.

But the report of the recent killings in the Abu Sifa area of Ishaqi, eight miles north of the city of Balad, is unusual because it originated with Iraqi police and because Iraqi police were willing to attach their names to it.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002876683_civilians20.html

The villagers were killed after U.S. troops herded them into a single room of the house, according to a police document obtained by Knight Ridder Newspapers. The soldiers also burned three vehicles, killed the villagers' animals and blew up the house, the document said.

I know it's evil, but I found that sentence hilarious.

Well of course GI's are killing Iraqis

They are not as good as we westerners are, they are scum.

I think they should kill more, thats why we went into Iraq, to kill all the goddam terrorists

terrorist = arab

DEATH TO THEM

(Seriously now)

That is horrible, there seems to be no control over these horrible crimes. Or maybe there is, but higher officials dont care. I would like to see some Iraqis come to the US and start shooting up civillians, see what the US does then.

(Seriously now)

That is horrible, there seems to be no control over these horrible crimes. Or maybe there is, but higher officials dont care. I would like to see some Iraqis come to the US and start shooting up civillians, see what the US does then.
I'm guessing we'd get mad. We'd probably blow up a country or two.

I find it hard to believe that a professional soldier would kill a baby. If evidence turns up then I'll have to accept it but until then I remain sceptical.

(Seriously now)

That is horrible, there seems to be no control over these horrible crimes. Or maybe there is, but higher officials dont care. I would like to see some Iraqis come to the US and start shooting up civillians, see what the US does then.

do you even have to ask, the entire country formaly known as Iraq would be a giant crater

I find it hard to believe that a professional soldier would kill a baby. If evidence turns up then I'll have to accept it but until then I remain sceptical.

Same here. There seem to be a lot of these accusations occuring. It's not unheard of of course, and evidence like the beatings administered by British troops on tape a few months ago make it easier to believe, but still...I want hard evidence of this first.

Bit hell, if this is another My Lai - smaller in scale - then the bastards who did it should be looking at lifetime in jail, even the death sentence.

Same here. There seem to be a lot of these accusations occuring. It's not unheard of of course, and evidence like the beatings administered by British troops on tape a few months ago make it easier to believe, but still...I want hard evidence of this first.

Agreed. Even with the beatings you there was a reason for the attack (a very bad reason but a reason nonetheless). With this there seems to be nothing, no motive, no provocation.

I find it hard to believe that a professional soldier would kill a baby. If evidence turns up then I'll have to accept it but until then I remain sceptical.

I agree with this statement, there is no way that US troops would execute an entire family unless they were armed insurgence in that case there is no need to kill Infants.

I agree with this statement, there is no way that US troops would execute an entire family unless they were armed insurgence in that case there is no need to kill Infants.

My Lai

i only read the op and im too lazy to click on the link to see if there is more, but it odly does not say if they were shot or if a bomb went off , or grenade, etc... it simple states they herded them into a room

i only read the op and im too lazy to click on the link to see if there is more, but it odly does not say if they were shot or if a bomb went off , or grenade, etc... it simple states they herded them into a roomthey should make it public (the police report)

I find it hard to believe that a professional soldier would kill a baby. If evidence turns up then I'll have to accept it but until then I remain sceptical.

What do you mean? I find it very believable. There are alot of soldiers in Iraq and there being a few violent criminals is hardly unexpected. Just because you are supposively "professional" does not mean you won't commit atrocites. Perhaps we should look into Vietnam for examples? The same kind of thing happening in Iraq would not be out of the question and it seems that this story is different then the others in that the Iraqi police are willing to give their names. Of course even if true the U.S. military will never admit it unless proof comes out and they have no choice. We have a reputation to maintain that we wear the white hat. Can't have that perception changed right?

Normally I'd dismiss reports from the Iraqi police (they are known to be heavily infiltrated by the IraQong) but the emphasis on the attached names would appear to give it a bit of credibility. Names can be traced.

Then again, a baby? I think a human being would have to be dangerously psychotic before he'd go that far, especially a soldier. If this was true it would be an indication of a catastrophic collapse in morale and discipline within US forces. Hell, I'd advise all other nations to remove their forces immediately - If the rot has spread far enough it won't be only Iraqi's in danger for long.

Bit hell, if this is another My Lai - smaller in scale - then the bastards who did it should be looking at lifetime in jail, even the death sentence.

They might face something even worse, you know... They might face *gasp* reduction in rank :eek:

And since it was mentioned
The My Lai massacre:
Between 347 and 504 civilians – primarily old men, women, children, and babies - were killed. Some were tortured or raped.

26 men were charged. Lt. William Calley with several counts of premeditated murder, 25 other officers and enlisted men were charged with related crimes.

Only Lt. Calley's was convicted, and initially sentenced to life in prison; two days later, however, President Richard Nixon ordered him released from prison, pending appeal of his sentence. Calley served 3½ years of house arrest in his quarters at Fort Benning, Georgia, and was then ordered freed by Federal Judge J. Robert Elliot.

(Source: Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai))

I find it hard to believe that a professional soldier would kill a baby. If evidence turns up then I'll have to accept it but until then I remain sceptical.
I agree, this seems like another classic case of liberal media trying to make the guys fighting over there out to be baby killers, this makes me sick.

Normally I'd dismiss reports from the Iraqi police (they are known to be heavily infiltrated by the IraQong) but the emphasis on the attached names would appear to give it a bit of credibility. Names can be traced.


agreed. Did you ever watch that show "Off to War"? basically it was about arkansas national guardsmen who went to Iraq, and chronicled their tour there. At the end of the series the soldiers where highly suspect of iraqi police setting them up for ambushes. Unless further proof comes up, i will be completely skeptical of this report as well, names or no names.

I agree, this seems like another classic case of liberal media trying to make the guys fighting over there out to be baby killers, this makes me sick.

No military is perfect. It's happened before in the US military - My Lai and a score of other cases - and it could well happen again. There are ruthless, cold killers in the military as well as civilian life.

They might face something even worse, you know... They might face *gasp* reduction in rank :eek:


They might face *gasp* nothing *gasp*

I would not be surprised if thats what happened.

I agree, this seems like another classic case of liberal media trying to make the guys fighting over there out to be baby killers, this makes me sick.
oh boy, its the UN Abassodorship

They might face something even worse, you know... They might face *gasp* reduction in rank :eek:

And since it was mentioned
The My Lai massacre:
Between 347 and 504 civilians – primarily old men, women, children, and babies - were killed. Some were tortured or raped.

26 men were charged. Lt. William Calley with several counts of premeditated murder, 25 other officers and enlisted men were charged with related crimes.

Only Lt. Calley's was convicted, and initially sentenced to life in prison; two days later, however, President Richard Nixon ordered him released from prison, pending appeal of his sentence. Calley served 3½ years of house arrest in his quarters at Fort Benning, Georgia, and was then ordered freed by Federal Judge J. Robert Elliot.

(Source: Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai))

Really? If something like this comes up proven today and Bush tries to get the parties off I certainly hope the press and American people would call for his immediate impeachment or at least resignation. :mad:

of course another answer could be that Arabs in US uniforms did it. After all they have been known to dress up thier IED's in a nice set of cammies under a car and wait for the US military to try and retrieve what they think is a body.

I agree, this seems like another classic case of liberal media trying to make the guys fighting over there out to be baby killers, this makes me sick.

I wasn't denying that it was possible, I just think we need to get more information first and not jump to conclusions unless some evidence turns up. That said I do doubt that it was the US soldiers considering the vast number of false allegations made against them.

Really? If something like this comes up proven today and Bush tries to get the parties off I certainly hope the press and American people would call for his immediate impeachment or at least resignation. :mad:

Agreed.

sounds like a load of bullshit, though I sense there are many out there with exceedingly small boners praying the story gains momentum, even if its totally false.

What do you mean? I find it very believable. There are alot of soldiers in Iraq and there being a few violent criminals is hardly unexpected. Just because you are supposively "professional" does not mean you won't commit atrocites. Perhaps we should look into Vietnam for examples? The same kind of thing happening in Iraq would not be out of the question and it seems that this story is different then the others in that the Iraqi police are willing to give their names. Of course even if true the U.S. military will never admit it unless proof comes out and they have no choice. We have a reputation to maintain that we wear the white hat. Can't have that perception changed right?

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic. Given the vast number of previous allegations against the troops I have yet to see any reason to believe these new ones. I also hope that Iraq isn't as brutalising as Vietnam.

I guess all we can do is wait and see. :(

No military is perfect. It's happened before in the US military - My Lai and a score of other cases - and it could well happen again. There are ruthless, cold killers in the military as well as civilian life.
Thats not true and I have seen no edvince of your so called "My Lai". The military deserves your respect, not you calling them baby killers

My Lai

Remember that it was US troops that stopped that too. So don't paint all soldiers with the same brush, like many on here say not to do to the insurgents.

Thats not true and I have seen no edvince of your so called "My Lai".

Oh... my... God......

Remember that it was US troops that stopped that too. So don't paint all soldiers with the same brush, like many on here say not to do to the insurgents.
Nobody is painting them all with the same brush, My Lai is being cited to show there is a precedent for nutjobs getting into the army.

Really? If something like this comes up proven today and Bush tries to get the parties off I certainly hope the press and American people would call for his immediate impeachment or at least resignation. :mad:
why? even if it is true is it really that bad. I mean I dont want to sound cold here, but they do have to take care of business and if the media wasnt there we would have ended this insurgent nonsense a long time ago.

Thats not true and I have seen no edvince of your so called "My Lai". The military deserves your respect, not you calling them baby killers

Dont worry guys, hes a troll

why? even if it is true is it really that bad. I mean I dont want to sound cold here, but they do have to take care of business and if the media wasnt there we would have ended this insurgent nonsense a long time ago.

Hes doing it on purpose, ignore him and he will go away

Thats not true and I have seen no edvince of your so called "My Lai". The military deserves your respect, not you calling them baby killers

Google (http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&q=my+lai&btnG=Google+Search&meta=) search for My Lai:Results 1 - 10 of about 9,660,000 for my lai

why? even if it is true is it really that bad. I mean I dont want to sound cold here, but they do have to take care of business and if the media wasnt there we would have ended this insurgent nonsense a long time ago.

I don't see how any sane person can possibly consider the murder of a 6 month old baby(assuming that it did actually happen) as 'taking care of business'

Dont worry guys, hes a troll
For the last time, Im not. I mean isnt possible the whole thing was blown way of poportion to try to sway public opinion against the war.

Every military the world has ever seen has had its share of scum. I can't say whether these particular accusations are true, but I'd be surprised if the US military wasn't doing stuff like this in Iraq. There is always someone who is.

I also find it amusing how the people who denounce commentary on possible war crimes as 'liberal lies', are also the same people who want Iraq/Iran/Syria/non-white-country-of-your-choice turned into glass/car park/etc. Noobs.

For the last time, Im not. I mean isnt possible the whole thing was blown way of poportion to try to sway public opinion against the war.

Your military had done stuff like this before - as have most militaries, so it could easily happen. My Lai is an example and there were dozens more cases in Vietnam.

Thats not true and I have seen no edvince of your so called "My Lai". The military deserves your respect, not you calling them baby killers

Follow the link troll and then tell me it didn't happen. (http://images.google.co.uk/images?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-50,GGLD:en&q=my%20lai&sa=N&tab=wi)

GRAPHIC IMAGES WARNING

For the last time, Im not. I mean isnt possible the whole thing was blown way of poportion to try to sway public opinion against the war.

It is of course possible. But the public opinion of the war isn't really going to do much. If everyone in America shows up at the white house tommorrow and asks George nicely to bring everyone back from Iraq he does not have to do it. Considering he can't run for election again Bush is in the position where he can piss the public off about as much as he wants.

Remember that it was US troops that stopped that too. So don't paint all soldiers with the same brush, like many on here say not to do to the insurgents.

Did you see me paint them all with the sama brush? No, so don't go flinging accusations around. I know perfectly well US troops risked their lives to stop the massacre and help the survivors. I was pointing out to the troll that the US military, like all militaries, isn't perfect. All have an unstable element in them.

why? even if it is true is it really that bad. I mean I dont want to sound cold here, but they do have to take care of business and if the media wasnt there we would have ended this insurgent nonsense a long time ago.

If this is proven to be true then we should just ignore the fact that our troops murdered an Iraqi family? We should be held to certain standards and not killing innocents especially children should be a bare minimum as a standard.

If this is proven to be true then we should just ignore the fact that our troops murdered an Iraqi family?
Come on man, sometimes people die you know? its war

Follow the link troll and then tell me it didn't happen. (http://images.google.co.uk/images?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-50,GGLD:en&q=my%20lai&sa=N&tab=wi)

GRAPHIC IMAGES WARNING
Those werent really graphic and all it shows were a few people lying in the streets, without any context about how they got there. For all you know they were combantants

Come on man, sometimes people die you know? its war

there is a difference between collateral damage and murder....

Come on man, sometimes people die you know? its war

Enemy combatants who have a chance in battle. Not innocent civilians massacred in cold blood without even a chance to defend themselves.

That's not war, that's murder, plain and simple.

It is of course possible. But the public opinion of the war isn't really going to do much. If everyone in America shows up at the white house tommorrow and asks George nicely to bring everyone back from Iraq he does not have to do it. Considering he can't run for election again Bush is in the position where he can piss the public off about as much as he wants.
Look if the liberals protest and whine about Iraq as much as they did in Veitnam, he be under so much pressure he would have to bring them home, like in Veitnam. Thats the whole reason we "lost" the war and I used the term loosely.

Those werent really graphic and all it shows were a few people lying in the streets, without any context about how they got there. For all you know they were combantants

Waitaminute...

You're contending that My Lai didn't happen?

Okay, if I had even the slightest of doubts about you before, you are actually a troll now. No one with even a basic understanding of the Vietnam War cannot known of the My Lai Massacre, it's causes and afteraffects.

Look if the liberals protest and whine about Iraq as much as they did in Veitnam, he be under so much pressure he would have to bring them home, like in Veitnam. Thats the whole reason we "lost" the war and I used the term loosely.

Thats a bunch of crap. The antivietnamwar movement did very little to directly cause the war to end. Determined vietnamese resistance, inability of the US military to create new tactics and presidential limitations on bombings were far more effective at ending the war than the antiwar movement was.

Come on man, sometimes people die you know? its war

It's a war so we can just shrug off civilian deaths?

I think not. Every civilian death should be investigated to the highest ability of those charged with doing so.

Look if the liberals protest and whine about Iraq as much as they did in Veitnam, he be under so much pressure he would have to bring them home, like in Veitnam. Thats the whole reason we "lost" the war and I used the term loosely.

how old are you?

Waitaminute...

You're contending that My Lai didn't happen?

Okay, if I had even the slightest of doubts about you before, you are actually a troll now. No one with even a basic understanding of the Vietnam War cannot known of the My Lai Massacre, it's causes and afteraffects.

No no no, he's contending that the US soldiers who saved the remaining villagers are liars, Communists, Liberals, Jews, Space-Badgers and Crab People.

Look if the liberals protest and whine about Iraq as much as they did in Veitnam, he be under so much pressure he would have to bring them home, like in Veitnam. Thats the whole reason we "lost" the war and I used the term loosely.

My point was that the public can't put him under pressure. Failing an impeachment Bush has nothing to lose.

It's a war so we can just shrug off civilian deaths?

What do you want us to do instead? Build them a memorial and give a military funeral? please

http://www.livewiregames.net/members/madrin/images/IK-no-troll.jpg

DO NOT FEED THE FECKING TROLL!

Waitaminute...

You're contending that My Lai didn't happen?

Okay, if I had even the slightest of doubts about you before, you are actually a troll now. No one with even a basic understanding of the Vietnam War cannot known of the My Lai Massacre, it's causes and afteraffects.
Im not saying it didnt happened, Im saying it might have been blown way out of proportion for propaganda of the anti-war movement.

http://www.livewiregames.net/members/madrin/images/IK-no-troll.jpg

DO NOT FEED THE FECKING TROLL!
Will you people stop calling me a troll. Im not, Im just telling it like it is, jessh

What do you want us to do instead? Build them a memorial and give a military funeral? please

Did you read the first post? They are accused of intentially killing 15 civilians. That is not the same thing as "collateral damage" which though also disgracefull does happen. If this did occur then there is no excuse.

Those werent really graphic and all it shows were a few people lying in the streets, without any context about how they got there. For all you know they were combantants

Oh really? Just looking at the first image you'll find several babies and young children, are you really stupid enough to think that they were combatants?

Im not saying it didnt happened, Im saying it might have been blown way out of proportion for propaganda of the anti-war movement.

How exactly does one blow the massacre of hundreds of innocent civilians, including babies and mothers by US troops in a sustained campaign, 'out of proportion'? There would appear to be no way to make it any bigger.

For the last time, Im not. I mean isnt possible the whole thing was blown way of poportion to try to sway public opinion against the war.
You always post horribly ignorant stuff
like your recent thread on banning public schools, what idiot would do that?

Im not saying it didnt happened, Im saying it might have been blown way out of proportion for propaganda of the anti-war movement.
It wasn't.

You always post horribly ignorant stuff
like your recent thread on banning public schools, what idiot would do that?

Liberals! Duh! :rolleyes:

Will you people stop calling me a troll. Im not, Im just telling it like it is, jessh

"telling it like it is" in like, wacko-land

As asked to: Warning, pictures are graphic.

http://www.inminds.co.uk/my-lai-2.jpg
Collateral
http://www.rotten.com/library/history/war-crimes/my-lai-massacre/my_lai_road.jpg
Damage
http://www.krysstal.com/images/democracy_vietnam_mylai02.jpg
My ass.

Just out of interest, abassadorship - where did you go to school and learn your twisted, inane version of history?

Bob Jones?

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I'd remove those images before a Mod gets a hold of you! :eek: Thats a deleatable offence straight away.

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Collateral
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Damage
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My ass.

you should put a graphic content warning on those things, young children use the forums

--- MODEDIT: Photos of American war crimes removed. ---

Just out of interest, abassadorship - where did you go to school and learn your twisted, inane version of history?

Bob Jones?
liberty, why

no reason to put those pictures up, no one wants to look at thoses.

Especially you...it might conflict with your 'history'

liberty, why

Because I want to find out which braindead hicks teach history there - and whether they have links to David Irving at all.

You always post horribly ignorant stuff
like your recent thread on banning public schools, what idiot would do that?
An idiot would keep public schools, I smart person would take them down

no reason to put those pictures up, no one wants to look at thoses.
While im not one that liek to look at dead babies, its reality

reality, something you are unable to grasp

An idiot would keep public schools, I smart person would take them down

"I smart person"

"I am so smart, I am so smart, S-M-A-T, S-M-A-T!"

Especially you...it might conflict with your 'history'
No I dont think they are allowed on here

An idiot would keep public schools, I smart person would take them down

Yeah, poor people shouldnt have schooling, thats bad

Yeah, poor people shouldnt have schooling, thats bad

Turns them into communists, dontcha know?

While im not one that liek to look at dead babies, its reality

reality, something you are unable to grasp
Its not reality

"I smart person"

"I am so smart, I am so smart, S-M-A-T, S-M-A-T!"

If you are reffering to the simpsons quote, i belive its:

"S-M-R-T"

Its not reality

*Sighs*

Okay...let's hear your version of events as to what those pictures represent, if not a cold-blooded massacre of innocent civilians by US troops.

If you are reffering to the simpsons quote, i belive its:

"S-M-R-T"

...

Dang.

My point remains, however.

I will refrain from commenting on this until the facts are in.

However, I will once again point out with what glee so many of you pounced on this as the gospel truth, then used it as an excuse for more bashing of the American military and Americans in general. If the Americans on here behaved toward your countries with such abysmal behavior, you would have an acute myocardial infarction.

*Sighs*

Okay...let's hear your version of events as to what those pictures represent, if not a cold-blooded massacre of innocent civilians by US troops.

THEM REDS DID IT!

I will refrain from commenting on this until the facts are in.

However, I will once again point out with what glee so many of you pounced on this as the gospel truth, then used it as an excuse for more bashing of the American military and Americans in general. If the Americans on here behaved toward your countries with such abysmal behavior, you would have an acute myocardial infarction.

Meh. I think after the UN abassadorship jumped in again, everyone kinda forgot the original post *scratches head* :confused:

*Sighs*

Okay...let's hear your version of events as to what those pictures represent, if not a cold-blooded massacre of innocent civilians by US troops.

Obviously it was the pinko-commie-liberal peace protesters who covertly travelled to Vietnam from the US, disguised themselves as soldiers, commited the massacre, and then returned to the US to undermine democracy and freedom.

*nods*

I will refrain from commenting on this until the facts are in.

However, I will once again point out with what glee so many of you pounced on this as the gospel truth, then used it as an excuse for more bashing of the American military and Americans in general. If the Americans on here behaved toward your countries with such abysmal behavior, you would have an acute myocardial infarction.

Im past the original post, we're talking about Mi Lai

THEM REDS DID IT!
Thats actually a possibility. how do you know the vc didnt do it and just setup America?

Its not reality

you don't believe in the holocaust either do you?

Thats actually a possibility. how do you know the vc didnt do it and just setup America?

You really are a parody aren't you?

I will refrain from commenting on this until the facts are in.

However, I will once again point out with what glee so many of you pounced on this as the gospel truth, then used it as an excuse for more bashing of the American military and Americans in general. If the Americans on here behaved toward your countries with such abysmal behavior, you would have an acute myocardial infarction.

Actually, Eut, most posters have promised to reserve judgement, and many including myself have stated that we weon't believe it until all the facts are in. It wasn't until Abassadorship started denying My Lai that it got onto that.

Thats actually a possibility. how do you know the vc didnt do it and just setup America?
oh jesus.......

Thats actually a possibility. how do you know the vc didnt do it and just setup America?

Yeah...the VC loved shooting their own people...with US weapons. Then there's the US eyewitnesses to the shootings and the aftermath of the actual incident, and the survivors themselves...

Thats actually a possibility. how do you know the vc didnt do it and just setup America?
Oh for the love of.

No. Go away. Troll. You disgust me.

Oh for the love of.

No. Go away. Troll. You disgust me.

The worrying thing is...I thinki he believes this shit.

you don't believe in the holocaust either do you?
sure I do. I am open to the possibility that it was over blown though. The numbers of people who died do keep changing.

sure I do. I am open to the possibility that it was over blown though. The numbers of people who died do keep changing.

Are you David Irving by any chance?

The worrying thing is...I thinki he believes this shit.
um, of course I believe what I say, or I wouldnt say it that would be silly. Although I dont think its shit.

I think he does all this for fun

Are you David Irving by any chance?
um, no why?

sure I do. I am open to the possibility that it was over blown though. The numbers of people who died do keep changing.

Its been around 12 million for a long while now

6 million Jews, 6 million Communists, Gays, Gipsies, Retards, ect.

I think its David Irving

Actually, Eut, most posters have promised to reserve judgement, and many including myself have stated that we weon't believe it until all the facts are in. It wasn't until Abassadorship started denying My Lai that it got onto that.
ok

sure I do. I am open to the possibility that it was over blown though. The numbers of people who died do keep changing.


i ask again... how old are you?

um, no why?
do you know whgo David Irving is?

your views on the holocaust are very simmilar

um, of course I believe what I say, or I wouldnt say it that would be silly. Although I dont think its shit.

Yeah, it is

My Lai was committed by US troops - there can be no contesting that

The Holocaust occured, and numbers do not keep changing.

The US was not solely responsible for winning WWII - It was a joint allied effort

China did not attack Pearl Harbor - It was Japan

Vietnam was not lost because of 'Liberal anti-war protestors'

sure I do. I am open to the possibility that it was over blown though. The numbers of people who died do keep changing.

Damn, you know I don't know what to say just... damn. You need a serious reality check. :headbang:

i ask again... how old are you?
22 why?

do you know whgo David Irving is?

your views on the holocaust are very simmilar
ok....

China did not attack Pearl Harbor - It was Japan



Did he actually say that? its the most ridiculous of all the ones you lsited

Did he actually say that? its the most ridiculous of all the ones you lsited

Hand on heart, he said that. Can't find the damn post now. He also claimed he had no affiliation to another poster who kept backing him up...which was then revealed as his puppet...

22 why?

because my g/f is similar in age and she has a hard time grasping the concept of what happened in WWII. It may be just because she hates history, but damn. It's a sad state of affairs our youth is getting in education nowadays.

Hand on heart, he said that. Can't find the damn post now. He also claimed he had no affiliation to another poster who kept backing him up...which was then revealed as his puppet...
China attacking the US at Peral Harbor. I can see that happening in 2030, but not in 1941

22 why?
Since you have shown yourself incapable of approaching facts which contradict the distorted worldview in which you have invested your self-worth, evidently your education was substandard.

because my g/f is similar in age and she has a hard time grasping the concept of what happened in WWII. It may be just because she hates history, but damn. It's a sad state of affairs our youth is getting in education nowadays.
I'm still in school, and the whole history class is retarded except for a few people.

I have to explain how much the USSR did, like 80% of the effort to destroy the Germans. How the French and the Italians werent completely incompeptent. They were also completely ignorant to the crimes commited in Eastern Europe and in Asia.

Since you have shown yourself incapable of approaching facts which contradict the distorted worldview in which you have invested your self-worth, evidently your education was substandard.

I like you...you're so much more...blunt...

I'm still in school, and the whole history class is retarded except for a few people.

I have to explain how much the USSR did, like 80% of the effort to destroy the Germans. How the French and the Italians werent completely incompeptent. They were also completely ignorant to the crimes commited in Eastern Europe and in Asia.

Such as Nanjing

because my g/f is similar in age and she has a hard time grasping the concept of what happened in WWII. It may be just because she hates history, but damn. It's a sad state of affairs our youth is getting in education nowadays.
our youths? how old are you and why are you dating a 22 yr old?

Since you have shown yourself incapable of approaching facts which contradict the distorted worldview in which you have invested your self-worth, evidently your education was substandard.
I dont think it was his education, he said he went to private school
I think hes just retarded

Since you have shown yourself incapable of approaching facts which contradict the distorted worldview in which you have invested your self-worth, evidently your education was substandard.
I think you meant above standard

I dont think it was his education, he said he went to private school
I think hes just retarded
so you admit private school is good

our youths? how old are you and why are you dating a 22 yr old?


27, and yep, you're our youths :P i'm she's 23 about to be 24. why? Cos i can ;)

so you admit private school is good
In most cases it is

27, and yep, you're our youths :P i'm she's 23 about to be 24. why? Cos i can ;)

The question that always comes: Is she hot?

our youths? how old are you and why are you dating a 22 yr old?
Sumpin' wrong wid dating a 22 year old???

Sumpin' wrong wid dating a 22 year old???
if your old, not if your around the same age

In most cases it is
So I dont know why your fighting me on this.

The question that always comes: Is she hot?

of course :D

So I dont know why your fighting me on this.

My family can afford private schooling, and I am grateful for it

But most people cant afford it, and they should be given the opportunity to be able to go to school

I think you meant above standard
Listen kid, if you have an above standard education, I feel really sorry for those who get a substandard education. Where did/are you going for college?

of course :D

*high-five*

I think you meant above standard
No, I did in fact mean substandard. ;)

Whatever school you attended, you managed to come away with zero critical thinking ability. Whatever your other achievements, that represents a failure of the very core of education.

No, I did in fact mean substandard. ;)

Whatever school you attended, you managed to come away with zero critical thinking ability. Whatever your other achievements, that represents a failure of the very core of education.

since this topic is all over the place anyway... why is it mods get avatars and regular users don't in this forum?

since this topic is all over the place anyway... why is it mods get avatars and regular users don't in this forum?

Why do walrus get tusks and i dont :(

The question that always comes: Is she hot?

I hope everyone thinks their girlfriend is hot.

Why do walrus get tusks and i dont :(

evolution :p or intelligent design... depending on your outlook on things ;)

since this topic is all over the place anyway... why is it mods get avatars and regular users don't in this forum?
You know how many people put porn and swastikas into flags? We'd get double the dumbassery.

evolution :p or intelligent design... depending on your outlook on things ;)

Unintelligent design mroe like it, I could use a pair of tusks, even a single one

You know how many people put porn and swastikas into flags? We'd get double the dumbassery.

nazi-porn

the combined evils of modern society

oh, and rap music and videogames

You know how many people put porn and swastikas into flags? We'd get double the dumbassery.

rofl... i suppose so. You'd figure they'd follow the ToS. but to be back on topic.


I want more proof :p

why? even if it is true is it really that bad. I mean I dont want to sound cold here, but they do have to take care of business and if the media wasnt there we would have ended this insurgent nonsense a long time ago.

Jesus Christ!! Where's Venezcuba when you need him?!?!

I think UN ambassadorship is gone
we can finally talk about reality without being interrupted!

I know it's evil, but I found that sentence hilarious.One wonders how you can bear the feeling of wearing your own flesh day in and day out.

Jesus Christ!! Where's Venezcuba when you need him?!?!
Here I am to save the day

Oh look! the other puppet.

Here I am to save the day
Too bad you're just the puppet of that well-known drag. Otherwise your statement might've actually meant something. But you're not, so it isn't, so there.

Too bad you're just the puppet of that well-known drag. Otherwise your statement might've actually meant something. But you're not, so it isn't, so there.
your very mean, I am not a puppet

your very mean, I am not a puppet
Better call Gepetto about that pool cue, erm nose of yours...